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[GSL 2019] Season 3 - Semi Finals Day 2 - Page 9

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Koivusto
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Finland542 Posts
September 21 2019 06:53 GMT
#161
Really surprised about the lack of liberators against disruptors for maru. And there was next to none drop play during the whole series? I dunno, maybe Maru played himself as he tried to prepare for a teammate.
#1 Blitzcrank #Forever platinum toss --> current diamond Terran <3
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
September 21 2019 06:57 GMT
#162
On September 21 2019 15:53 Koivusto wrote:
Really surprised about the lack of liberators against disruptors for maru. And there was next to none drop play during the whole series? I dunno, maybe Maru played himself as he tried to prepare for a teammate.


Trap gave him no room

Trap played ridiculously good. I didn't think I'd ever see someone play Protoss better than stats in LotV
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Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-21 07:28:48
September 21 2019 07:23 GMT
#163
On September 21 2019 15:43 Serimek wrote:
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On September 21 2019 15:32 AzAlexZ wrote:
if Trap wins he will be tied in points with Dark lol


Speaking about points: although Liquipedia's portal says it's still possible for Zest, Solar and PartinG to qualify, they are more than 1500 points away from Stats' 8th place so I guess Blizzcon is over for them.

Dear, TY, Hurricane, RagnaroK and GuMiGod are still in the battle!


Don't forget we're in a slightly unusual situation where we're unsure that Classic is actually going, which is also why he's shaded in yellow rather than green. He easily has enough points to qualify 100%. If he doesn't go, it's likely the seed will be given to the #9 player. All of the people you mentioned could still theoretically end up 9th.

Speaking of, the only way for Rogue to NOT go to Blizzcon is:

- Loses finals
- Loses first round of ST2
- herO & Stats both at least reach the semi-finals in ST2
- Dear wins ST2
- Classic goes to Blizzcon

I'm feeling pretty good about his chances.
Cute
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1835 Posts
September 21 2019 07:24 GMT
#164
Serral would never lose 4-1.
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
September 21 2019 07:27 GMT
#165
On September 21 2019 16:24 Odoakar wrote:
Serral would never lose 4-1.


Though it's extremely unlikely, anything is possible.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
September 21 2019 07:36 GMT
#166
On September 21 2019 16:23 Neemi wrote:
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On September 21 2019 15:43 Serimek wrote:
On September 21 2019 15:32 AzAlexZ wrote:
if Trap wins he will be tied in points with Dark lol


Speaking about points: although Liquipedia's portal says it's still possible for Zest, Solar and PartinG to qualify, they are more than 1500 points away from Stats' 8th place so I guess Blizzcon is over for them.

Dear, TY, Hurricane, RagnaroK and GuMiGod are still in the battle!


Don't forget we're in a slightly unusual situation where we're unsure that Classic is actually going, which is also why he's shaded in yellow rather than green. He easily has enough points to qualify 100%. If he doesn't go, it's likely the seed will be given to the #9 player. All of the people you mentioned could still theoretically end up 9th.

Speaking of, the only way for Rogue to NOT go to Blizzcon is:

- Loses finals
- Loses first round of ST2
- herO & Stats both at least reach the semi-finals in ST2
- Dear wins ST2
- Classic goes to Blizzcon

I'm feeling pretty good about his chances.


I forgot about that, thank you.

Rouge will be there 99%.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2746 Posts
September 21 2019 07:47 GMT
#167
Wtf, I just wake up and I didn't expect this at all !
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24410 Posts
September 21 2019 07:55 GMT
#168
On September 21 2019 14:39 IshinShishi wrote:
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On September 21 2019 14:36 MockHamill wrote:
Maru is good but overrated. When the proxy meta got figured out his weakness in decision making became easier to spot.

If he plays like he is no threat to Serral.

I'ds still easily beat on Maru over Serral, this series looked like yet another series where a teammate watched 500 replays of Maru and knew every single move before the game even started, if anything Trap's play looked more desperate than Maru's, always trying to smother him or else.

Why is it every time Maru loses to a team mate that comes out? It’s a huge part of the game, coming up with strategies and whatnot.

That aside I don’t see how Trap’s play was desperate at all. Aggressive sure, but sensibly so. Got his tech up smoothly, took basically no damage to anything outside of the first game, constantly out on the map and harassing while out-expanding Maru basically every game.

For Maru specifically that’s 100% how I would play if I wasn’t trash, seems sensible. Keep trading and forcing him to continually replenish bio and sprinkle in ghosts vs sitting back and letting Maru get a real lategame comp.

Playing a passive macro game and letting Maru do what he wants and you lose, it we saw that season one.

PvT clinic really, IMO the best series I’ve seen this year in that regard. Trap did basically everything extremely well
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24410 Posts
September 21 2019 07:57 GMT
#169
On September 21 2019 14:58 tigon_ridge wrote:
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On September 21 2019 14:52 Fango wrote:
On September 21 2019 14:50 tigon_ridge wrote:
So after this tournament ends, it will be revealed that the difference between Maru's worst MU and his best MU is literally 400 pts.

The biggest gap in a player's MUs in the history of the universe.

Is there a single terran that doesn't have TvP drastically lower than their other two matchups? I don't know but I'd be shocked if there was.


There isn't a single top20 Terran that has TvP as their best MU, according to their ratings. Ouch...

That indeed is an ouch. Thinking about it I do think Special’s vP is his best matchup though
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
September 21 2019 08:06 GMT
#170
4-1 seriously?
Where is the guy boasting that Protoss can’t win again because of the new emp?...
This is disgusting.
WriterMaru
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15880 Posts
September 21 2019 08:09 GMT
#171
Back to back finals!
Can we start calling Trap a bonjwa now?
It's delusional to deny that he is at this point.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-21 08:13:39
September 21 2019 08:12 GMT
#172
On September 21 2019 17:09 Charoisaur wrote:
Back to back finals!
Can we start calling Trap a bonjwa now?
It's delusional to deny that he is at this point.

well, he pwned Maru who is the best player who ever lived or will live, in a preparation tournament, so yeah, he's basically just reached god-tier today
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28453 Posts
September 21 2019 08:15 GMT
#173
wp Trap, very impressive
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
September 21 2019 08:17 GMT
#174
Well, guess we don't get a TvZ finals
Mine gas, build tanks.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4902 Posts
September 21 2019 08:24 GMT
#175
On September 21 2019 16:24 Odoakar wrote:
Serral would never lose 4-1.


He first has to play
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
September 21 2019 08:27 GMT
#176
On September 21 2019 17:12 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2019 17:09 Charoisaur wrote:
Back to back finals!
Can we start calling Trap a bonjwa now?
It's delusional to deny that he is at this point.

well, he pwned Maru who is the best player who ever lived or will live, in a preparation tournament, so yeah, he's basically just reached god-tier today

After losing 1-3—in which only 2 games were close, and one of them was the game he won—to Serral. His PvZ rating is actually quite low (2600). I'm predicting a 4-2 win for Rogue.
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3996 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-21 08:40:25
September 21 2019 08:32 GMT
#177
wait hold on, i thought after Rogue won vs Dark, Maru basically guaranteed himself a 5th GSL title? Where did the math go wrong?!

on a serious note, i'm really happy for a pvz finals. Trap showed really nice games vs Serral and Rogue seems to be finally doing fine this season!
Drone is a way of living
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
September 21 2019 08:40 GMT
#178
On September 21 2019 16:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2019 14:58 tigon_ridge wrote:
On September 21 2019 14:52 Fango wrote:
On September 21 2019 14:50 tigon_ridge wrote:
So after this tournament ends, it will be revealed that the difference between Maru's worst MU and his best MU is literally 400 pts.

The biggest gap in a player's MUs in the history of the universe.

Is there a single terran that doesn't have TvP drastically lower than their other two matchups? I don't know but I'd be shocked if there was.


There isn't a single top20 Terran that has TvP as their best MU, according to their ratings. Ouch...

That indeed is an ouch. Thinking about it I do think Special’s vP is his best matchup though


It's definitely the match-up where he's exceeded expectations the most often. He was the only person to stop Neeb in WCS in 2017, then he did it again this year. He also beat Stats & Classic in the group stages of Blizzcon, and just went 3-3 in combined map score against Classic in GSL vs. the World. He's a serious opponent for any Protoss, especially when he gets time to prepare. He hasn't built up a similar reputation in his other two match-ups
Cute
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7192 Posts
September 21 2019 08:41 GMT
#179
Did Trap win?

I watched one game and Trap got bodied and I turned it off and then he wins in the end?

I knew my viewership was cursed...
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
September 21 2019 09:24 GMT
#180
Coincidentally, Trap was also the last player to beat Maru in a bo7 or more(5-3, Onpoong Ultimate Battle #11 in January 2018), and he is the one who could stop Maru in Code S playoffs after more than two years(the last was Gumiho 4-2 and it was S2 2017).

I am so glad that Trap won, he truly became a top player in 2019(the doubters labeled him as a patchtoss after the Protoss Spring...he's in a Code S final again now); I would love to see Trap win Code S as a reward to the insane consistency he had this year, not to mention eight seasons have past since we had our last Protoss champion.

On a side note, Trap made sure the G5L trophy stays where it is meant to be(just outside of Mvp's grasp), and avoided(for now, at least) TL's forum to be swarmed by Maru fans declaring him GOAT and savior of Sc2.

Concerning TvP on Aligulac: Protoss are lagging behind, every matchup has its lowest scores vP on average; the highest Protoss is just above 2700 while there are multiple Zerg and Terran player beyond 2800, ratings in TvP being lower than in TvZ is just a logical consequence. To say anything about balance one should offset the rating differential, I guess.


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