[GSL 2019] Season 3 - Semi Finals Day 2

On September 20 2019 23:38 neutralrobot wrote:
This is one of those matches where I have no idea what to expect. I want Maru to win, but I don't even think I'd consider him favored vs Trap at the moment. Trap might pick him apart. Or Maru might totally dominate. Or it could be a close series. Who the hell knows?

    (2807) Maru  0-0  Trap (2854)    
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      5.26% 4-0       0-4   7.37%    
     10.97% 4-1       1-4  14.12%    
     14.29% 4-2       2-4  16.91%    
     14.89% 4-3       3-4  16.20%    
-------------------------------------
         45.41%        54.59%        

Median outcome: Maru 3-4 Trap

On September 20 2019 23:55 Poopi wrote:


Maru is supposed to lose!

On September 21 2019 00:00 Fango wrote:

What did aligulac say last time they played?

On September 20 2019 19:36 Xain0n wrote:
I don't think Trap will be able to make it, but I surely hope so!

On September 21 2019 02:59 Poopi wrote:
Trap has a higher vT than Maru’s vP.
Probably because before the patch TvP was really tough (also why there was 5 Protoss in blizzcon before Rogue qualifying for the finals).

Bear in mind that the patch should even things out so Trap is not necessarily the favorite!

On September 21 2019 13:41 BerserkSword wrote:


Maru wasn’t ahead in either. He had to cancel his timing which set him back. Trap was on more bases for longer

On September 21 2019 13:41 BerserkSword wrote:


Maru wasn’t ahead in either. He had to cancel his timing which set him back. Trap was on more bases for longer

On September 21 2019 14:01 Topin wrote:
i cant believe Maru fell for that

On September 21 2019 14:02 Motlu wrote:
This must be how it feels when your favourite player loses to Maru proxy rax

On September 21 2019 13:55 5ecured wrote:

This is what I have been saying for many many years. If only banelings and colossi do friendly fire too

On September 21 2019 14:03 IshinShishi wrote:
remember how Maru got tricked by Patience as well? He is just not a brainy player, its mechanical outplay and not much else with Maru

On September 21 2019 14:04 MockHamill wrote:
This is why I think Serral is better than Maru. Both have great mechanics but Serral is just smarter.

On September 21 2019 14:02 MockHamill wrote:
That is why I always go blind turrets vs Protoss.

On September 21 2019 14:04 MockHamill wrote:
This is why I think Serral is better than Maru. Both have great mechanics but Serral is just smarter.

On September 21 2019 14:09 WickedBit wrote:


And Serral plays Zerg ! Its kinda well known at this point that Z>P>>T .

On September 21 2019 14:14 TentativePanda wrote:


LOL Serral lategame is not as dynamic? Someone please tell me Serrals winrate against any race in a 15+ min game

On September 21 2019 14:33 Argonauta wrote:
wow 4-1 !! I was not expecting this. GG Trap. not all days you get to beat the best player of the world.

On September 21 2019 14:33 FataLe wrote:

yeah he'll have to wait to see if he meets serral at blizzcon. Grats!

On September 21 2019 14:36 MockHamill wrote:
Maru is good but overrated. When the proxy meta got figured out his weakness in decision making became easier to spot.

On September 21 2019 14:36 MockHamill wrote:
Maru is good but overrated. When the proxy meta got figured out his weakness in decision making became easier to spot.

If he plays like he is no threat to Serral.

On September 21 2019 14:50 tigon_ridge wrote:
So after this tournament ends, it will be revealed that the difference between Maru's worst MU and his best MU is literally 400 pts.

The biggest gap in a player's MUs in the history of the universe.

On September 21 2019 14:50 tigon_ridge wrote:
So after this tournament ends, it will be revealed that the difference between Maru's worst MU and his best MU is literally 400 pts.

The biggest gap in a player's MUs in the history of the universe.

On September 21 2019 15:11 tigon_ridge wrote:


He lost a lot of points in recent history. That 0-3 against Stats. And although he beat Super and Neeb 2-1, he didn't really gain pts, because those are much lower rated players. In fact, he probably lost significant pts from losing one map to Super.

On September 21 2019 15:32 AzAlexZ wrote:
if Trap wins he will be tied in points with Dark lol

On September 21 2019 16:23 Neemi wrote:


Don't forget we're in a slightly unusual situation where we're unsure that Classic is actually going, which is also why he's shaded in yellow rather than green. He easily has enough points to qualify 100%. If he doesn't go, it's likely the seed will be given to the #9 player. All of the people you mentioned could still theoretically end up 9th.

Speaking of, the only way for Rogue to NOT go to Blizzcon is:

- Loses finals
- Loses first round of ST2
- herO & Stats both at least reach the semi-finals in ST2
- Dear wins ST2
- Classic goes to Blizzcon

I'm feeling pretty good about his chances.

On September 21 2019 16:24 Odoakar wrote:
Serral would never lose 4-1.

On September 21 2019 20:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
PvZ teamkill in a grand final?

Did we ever have a good final with such premise?

On September 21 2019 18:24 Xain0n wrote:
Coincidentally, Trap was also the last player to beat Maru in a bo7 or more(5-3, Onpoong Ultimate Battle #11 in January 2018), and he is the one who could stop Maru in Code S playoffs after more than two years(the last was Gumiho 4-2 and it was S2 2017).

I am so glad that Trap won, he truly became a top player in 2019(the doubters labeled him as a patchtoss after the Protoss Spring...he's in a Code S final again now); I would love to see Trap win Code S as a reward to the insane consistency he had this year, not to mention eight seasons have past since we had our last Protoss champion.

On a side note, Trap made sure the G5L trophy stays where it is meant to be(just outside of Mvp's grasp), and avoided(for now, at least) TL's forum to be swarmed by Maru fans declaring him GOAT and savior of Sc2.

Concerning TvP on Aligulac: Protoss are lagging behind, every matchup has its lowest scores vP on average; the highest Protoss is just above 2700 while there are multiple Zerg and Terran player beyond 2800, ratings in TvP being lower than in TvZ is just a logical consequence. To say anything about balance one should offset the rating differential, I guess.

On September 21 2019 23:06 stilt wrote:


Aside soO vs Zest and Parting vs Life was there any good zvp in finals ?
July vs Mc was terrible, inca vs nestea might be the worst ever, soO vs Dear wasn't great either...

On September 21 2019 14:58 tigon_ridge wrote:


There isn't a single top20 Terran that has TvP as their best MU, according to their ratings. Ouch...

On September 22 2019 00:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


I've always hated that argument. If you don't assume that the pool of players are roughly equal in strength (of course individuals may be outliers) there's no way to do balance. In fact even if they aren't equal in strength you should pretend they are and balance accordingly. Who cares if the zerg pool of players is more skilled by some unmeasurable magical metric--I still don't want ZvZs all the time.

On September 22 2019 00:26 brickrd wrote:

invoking probability but no mention of the fact that the entire korean scene is a meaninglessly small sample size and that it's easily statistically possible the protoss players are actually simply better

On September 22 2019 04:07 Wombat_NI wrote:

There are times when it’s actually true though, conceivably and especially in such a small pool as S class Koreans.

On September 22 2019 04:45 Fango wrote:

He said the top 20 terrans in aligulac. That's basically every pro/semi pro terran player.

The 20 best players all collectively having TvP as their worst or middle matchup is not a small sample size btw. Like I said, the odds are 0.03%.

You can tell something's too small a sample size if the supposedly outrageous result is reasonable to happen under normal circumstances. 0.03% is not reasonable.

On September 22 2019 06:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


As I mentioned earlier those ratings have a ton of inertia especially since some top players don't play online much. The most recent patch would barely register in those ratings (and players don't adapt instantly to a patch).

On September 22 2019 23:06 Wombat_NI wrote:
Also as an aside there’s so much stylistic variation between Protoss players that it must be a nightmare to face a bunch in succession. From devotees of the Big Protoss Book of Bullshit to a reactive macro player like Stats and everything in between.

Yes I know Protoss can be obnoxious, that specific thing I do like about the race, players give it their own flavour.