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[GSL 2019] Season 3 - Semi Finals Day 2 - Page 10

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SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
September 21 2019 10:13 GMT
#181
I would like maru to win but trap deserved it after demolishing maru and giving a blueprint on how to beat the new emp
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27230 Posts
September 21 2019 11:03 GMT
#182
On September 21 2019 15:57 BerserkSword wrote:
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On September 21 2019 15:53 Koivusto wrote:
Really surprised about the lack of liberators against disruptors for maru. And there was next to none drop play during the whole series? I dunno, maybe Maru played himself as he tried to prepare for a teammate.


Trap gave him no room

Trap played ridiculously good. I didn't think I'd ever see someone play Protoss better than stats in LotV

I do think it’s maybe the best I’ve seen for quite some time. Especially with the luxury of watching FPVs of this series too

It was this weird synthesis of almost herO levels of aggression, while being resolutely solid defensively and transitioning really well too.

The finals could be weird, Rogue looked ropey against Zest to say the least, but equally I feel it’s extremely hard to kill elite Zergs in a bo7 in the current meta. They seem to have got wiser to many of the pages in the great Protoss book of Bullshit and the ovie speed cost buff makes their scouting that bit harder to bluff.

Trap even against Maru can have his various builds and openers with the goal of getting him into a macro game in good shape, vs Zergs you cannot really approach it like that.

Despite the loss I thought he played pretty well against Dark last finals so he’s not a million miles away anyway. Rogue maybe showed some Ro4 nerves against Zest having broken his ceiling, perhaps his first final may have that be a factor.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 21 2019 11:13 GMT
#183
PvZ teamkill in a grand final?

Did we ever have a good final with such premise?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8217 Posts
September 21 2019 11:30 GMT
#184
After one and a half games that looked like a certain stomping. Have no idea what Trap was thinking but that was some really bad play and you gotta wonder why he ever built a phoenix when his usage of them was so poor. But then he got himself together and played a great series after. Only a few mistakes here and there but overall great strategic approaches and good engagements. Very nice team kill too. Good luck in the finals to Trap.

Maru on the other hand is clearly very far from top form. That has to be some of the worst disruptor splits I have seen from him. At the lack of liberators was puzzling. Overall another Code S season of underwhelming play from him (although it was obviously better than season 2)v

"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
September 21 2019 11:42 GMT
#185
Trap!!!

Should be a good match up in the final for him, if he can keep his cool
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55589 Posts
September 21 2019 11:44 GMT
#186
On September 21 2019 20:13 lolfail9001 wrote:
PvZ teamkill in a grand final?

Did we ever have a good final with such premise?

For Code S, Rogue vs Trap is just the 3rd team kill PvZ finals. It follows in the footsteps of DRG vs Genius and Classic vs soO.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
September 21 2019 12:17 GMT
#187
Who remembers the PvZ teamkill between Genius and DRG? Hoping for a better series.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
September 21 2019 12:29 GMT
#188
Trap hasn't beaten Rogue in the last twelve months while PvZ appears to be slightly Zerg favored and it's probably Rogue's best matchup; also, Rogue, lost only four bo7+ in his whole career, none of it offline.

Trap is the underdog, but he's been playing extremely well and teamkills are indeed a greater source of upset.
GO TRAP!
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2661 Posts
September 21 2019 12:30 GMT
#189
On September 21 2019 18:24 Xain0n wrote:
Coincidentally, Trap was also the last player to beat Maru in a bo7 or more(5-3, Onpoong Ultimate Battle #11 in January 2018), and he is the one who could stop Maru in Code S playoffs after more than two years(the last was Gumiho 4-2 and it was S2 2017).

I am so glad that Trap won, he truly became a top player in 2019(the doubters labeled him as a patchtoss after the Protoss Spring...he's in a Code S final again now); I would love to see Trap win Code S as a reward to the insane consistency he had this year, not to mention eight seasons have past since we had our last Protoss champion.

On a side note, Trap made sure the G5L trophy stays where it is meant to be(just outside of Mvp's grasp), and avoided(for now, at least) TL's forum to be swarmed by Maru fans declaring him GOAT and savior of Sc2.

Concerning TvP on Aligulac: Protoss are lagging behind, every matchup has its lowest scores vP on average; the highest Protoss is just above 2700 while there are multiple Zerg and Terran player beyond 2800, ratings in TvP being lower than in TvZ is just a logical consequence. To say anything about balance one should offset the rating differential, I guess.




That seems to be more a result of PvZ where zerg are doing more than fine, unless a new playstyle appears as a result of the new patch I suspect TvP ratings to stay the same.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
September 21 2019 13:34 GMT
#190
Maru played very well against disruptors in the last game, but after the initial manhandle of Trap and getting ahead, he unfortunately lost 25 supply when he wasnt looking for 1 second and then Trap just kept attacking giving him no time to recover.

The entire series Trap pounced on any advantage he had or could force and kept going till either him or Maru died, that almost cost him the last game which was the one he was ahead the most eco-wise, but Maru didnt capitalize (90 vs 50 army supply at one point) and went back to his base, his play seemed either too cautious or too slow, I can't tell.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8990 Posts
September 21 2019 13:48 GMT
#191
On September 21 2019 21:17 sparklyresidue wrote:
Who remembers the PvZ teamkill between Genius and DRG? Hoping for a better series.


Classic vs soO was a terrible one too
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
September 21 2019 14:06 GMT
#192
On September 21 2019 22:48 Nakajin wrote:
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On September 21 2019 21:17 sparklyresidue wrote:
Who remembers the PvZ teamkill between Genius and DRG? Hoping for a better series.


Classic vs soO was a terrible one too


Aside soO vs Zest and Parting vs Life was there any good zvp in finals ?
July vs Mc was terrible, inca vs nestea might be the worst ever, soO vs Dear wasn't great either...
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55589 Posts
September 21 2019 14:25 GMT
#193
On September 21 2019 23:06 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2019 22:48 Nakajin wrote:
On September 21 2019 21:17 sparklyresidue wrote:
Who remembers the PvZ teamkill between Genius and DRG? Hoping for a better series.


Classic vs soO was a terrible one too


Aside soO vs Zest and Parting vs Life was there any good zvp in finals ?
July vs Mc was terrible, inca vs nestea might be the worst ever, soO vs Dear wasn't great either...

Most GSL finals aren't good regardless of the match-up.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-21 14:45:51
September 21 2019 14:45 GMT
#194
On September 21 2019 14:58 tigon_ridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2019 14:52 Fango wrote:
On September 21 2019 14:50 tigon_ridge wrote:
So after this tournament ends, it will be revealed that the difference between Maru's worst MU and his best MU is literally 400 pts.

The biggest gap in a player's MUs in the history of the universe.

Is there a single terran that doesn't have TvP drastically lower than their other two matchups? I don't know but I'd be shocked if there was.


There isn't a single top20 Terran that has TvP as their best MU, according to their ratings. Ouch...

Assuming a balanced state the odds of this happening are 0.03%

Sometimes I wish Maru wasn't a thing so people would see how just badly terran does in these tournaments
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
September 21 2019 14:49 GMT
#195
Torn between wanting Trap to win because he deserves it or lose so another kong dynasty is born.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-21 14:54:03
September 21 2019 14:53 GMT
#196
On September 21 2019 23:49 dysenterymd wrote:
Torn between wanting Trap to win because he deserves it or lose so another kong dynasty is born.


Nah only Zergs and marineking can be kongs.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
September 21 2019 15:05 GMT
#197
That series felt like Trap always knew exactly what timings Maru was going to come with.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
September 21 2019 15:08 GMT
#198
On September 21 2019 19:13 SamirDuran wrote:
I would like maru to win but trap deserved it after demolishing maru and giving a blueprint on how to beat the new emp


How to beat the new EMP: play better and win before EMP upgrade finishes
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 21 2019 15:22 GMT
#199
On September 21 2019 23:45 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2019 14:58 tigon_ridge wrote:
On September 21 2019 14:52 Fango wrote:
On September 21 2019 14:50 tigon_ridge wrote:
So after this tournament ends, it will be revealed that the difference between Maru's worst MU and his best MU is literally 400 pts.

The biggest gap in a player's MUs in the history of the universe.

Is there a single terran that doesn't have TvP drastically lower than their other two matchups? I don't know but I'd be shocked if there was.


There isn't a single top20 Terran that has TvP as their best MU, according to their ratings. Ouch...

Assuming a balanced state the odds of this happening are 0.03%

Sometimes I wish Maru wasn't a thing so people would see how just badly terran does in these tournaments


That's assuming a static balance state though. Aligulac has a ton of inertia to its ratings; even if the recent patch had made TvP slightly terran favoured it would take ages before the ratings fully reflected this.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 21 2019 15:24 GMT
#200
On September 22 2019 00:08 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2019 19:13 SamirDuran wrote:
I would like maru to win but trap deserved it after demolishing maru and giving a blueprint on how to beat the new emp


How to beat the new EMP: play better and win before EMP upgrade finishes

no? disruptors
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