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On August 17 2019 19:50 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2019 19:48 sneakyfox wrote:On August 17 2019 19:41 feardragon wrote:
If Korea can’t get a player to top 4 and all the intelligent people in this thread are right that Koreans are washed up and not as good as Europeans now, does that mean the people saying Koreans deserve ALL the opportunities because they’re better should now say we should move GSL to Europe to stop letting Koreans rob more deserving Europeans of opportunities? What a comment. Koreans are actually BARRED from Circuit events. Nobody is barred from GSL. You realize that even if Koreans could play in WCS, it wouldn't save the scene? The only people who would benefit from it (enough to warrant the plane tickets) are the people who consistently and reliably beat foreigners. Those people (stats, maru, dark, classic, etc...) are not the people suffering in Korea. The people suffering in Korea (alive, Losira, ragnarok), couldn't even make it far in WCS even if they could.
Yeah they wouldn't get the qualifier spots and would most likely make a loss after paying for the flights.
The lack of viewership and new players in Korea are the issues, not region lock.
I still want region lock gone, so I can see more exciting games and get more variance in tournaments. But it won't help the Korean scene and hurt low level foreigners. But I am just a selfish fans who wants the best games  . For the health of sc2 overall, Blizzard is doing well I think.
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On August 17 2019 19:55 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2019 19:50 Pandain wrote:On August 17 2019 19:48 sneakyfox wrote:On August 17 2019 19:41 feardragon wrote:
If Korea can’t get a player to top 4 and all the intelligent people in this thread are right that Koreans are washed up and not as good as Europeans now, does that mean the people saying Koreans deserve ALL the opportunities because they’re better should now say we should move GSL to Europe to stop letting Koreans rob more deserving Europeans of opportunities? What a comment. Koreans are actually BARRED from Circuit events. Nobody is barred from GSL. You realize that even if Koreans could play in WCS, it wouldn't save the scene? The only people who would benefit from it (enough to warrant the plane tickets) are the people who consistently and reliably beat foreigners. Those people (stats, maru, dark, classic, etc...) are not the people suffering in Korea. The people suffering in Korea (alive, Losira, ragnarok), couldn't even make it far in WCS even if they could. We can discuss that but that doesn't really have anything to do with Feardragon's foolish comment.
Why are you gaslighting me?
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On August 17 2019 19:56 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2019 19:53 Heartland wrote:
I mean, Koreans are good, it's just that they tilt as soon as they begin to play a decent Westerner. I like the bait but I don't like you forgot about TIME
I didn't watch his games actually, so I forgot about him.
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On August 17 2019 19:55 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2019 19:50 Pandain wrote:On August 17 2019 19:48 sneakyfox wrote:On August 17 2019 19:41 feardragon wrote:
If Korea can’t get a player to top 4 and all the intelligent people in this thread are right that Koreans are washed up and not as good as Europeans now, does that mean the people saying Koreans deserve ALL the opportunities because they’re better should now say we should move GSL to Europe to stop letting Koreans rob more deserving Europeans of opportunities? What a comment. Koreans are actually BARRED from Circuit events. Nobody is barred from GSL. You realize that even if Koreans could play in WCS, it wouldn't save the scene? The only people who would benefit from it (enough to warrant the plane tickets) are the people who consistently and reliably beat foreigners. Those people (stats, maru, dark, classic, etc...) are not the people suffering in Korea. The people suffering in Korea (alive, Losira, ragnarok), couldn't even make it far in WCS even if they could. We can discuss that but that doesn't really have anything to do with Feardragon's foolish comment. Saving the scene would take years I think. But of course it would help it if there were WCS Challenger in Korea that could send players there to play. Nevertheless, if WCS actually continues and region lock is lifted I'm sure a new type of system would be better.
The only way to save the scene is to have investment. And there is no investment for korean sc2.
Doesn't matter if WCS became unregion locked, because the only koreans who would benefit from that are the ones not suffering in Korea atm (stats, maru, Classic, etc...).
The only thing region-locking would accomplish is hurting viewership in WCS
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On August 17 2019 19:59 feardragon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2019 19:55 sneakyfox wrote:On August 17 2019 19:50 Pandain wrote:On August 17 2019 19:48 sneakyfox wrote:On August 17 2019 19:41 feardragon wrote:
If Korea can’t get a player to top 4 and all the intelligent people in this thread are right that Koreans are washed up and not as good as Europeans now, does that mean the people saying Koreans deserve ALL the opportunities because they’re better should now say we should move GSL to Europe to stop letting Koreans rob more deserving Europeans of opportunities? What a comment. Koreans are actually BARRED from Circuit events. Nobody is barred from GSL. You realize that even if Koreans could play in WCS, it wouldn't save the scene? The only people who would benefit from it (enough to warrant the plane tickets) are the people who consistently and reliably beat foreigners. Those people (stats, maru, dark, classic, etc...) are not the people suffering in Korea. The people suffering in Korea (alive, Losira, ragnarok), couldn't even make it far in WCS even if they could. We can discuss that but that doesn't really have anything to do with Feardragon's foolish comment. Why are you gaslighting me?
What are you talking about? I replied to your comment, you didn't respond.
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Korean prize money for 3x GSL and 2x ST: ~500k.
Circuit prize money for all WCS offline and online: ~600k.
So 100k is the difference between dead and thriving? How much money needs to be injected into the Korean scene to cause Koreans to actually start watching SC2?
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On August 17 2019 19:56 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2019 19:50 Pandain wrote:On August 17 2019 19:48 sneakyfox wrote:On August 17 2019 19:41 feardragon wrote:
If Korea can’t get a player to top 4 and all the intelligent people in this thread are right that Koreans are washed up and not as good as Europeans now, does that mean the people saying Koreans deserve ALL the opportunities because they’re better should now say we should move GSL to Europe to stop letting Koreans rob more deserving Europeans of opportunities? What a comment. Koreans are actually BARRED from Circuit events. Nobody is barred from GSL. You realize that even if Koreans could play in WCS, it wouldn't save the scene? The only people who would benefit from it (enough to warrant the plane tickets) are the people who consistently and reliably beat foreigners. Those people (stats, maru, dark, classic, etc...) are not the people suffering in Korea. The people suffering in Korea (alive, Losira, ragnarok), couldn't even make it far in WCS even if they could. Yeah they wouldn't get the qualifier spots and would most likely make a loss after paying for the flights. The lack of viewership and new players in Korea are the issues, not region lock. I still want region lock gone, so I can see more exciting games and get more variance in tournaments. But it won't help the Korean scene and hurt low level foreigners. But I am just a selfish fans who wants the best games . For the health of sc2 overall, Blizzard is doing well I think.
So this is for trading the velocity of new players in Korea for the ones in the foreign scene? Didn’t last time there were no region locks the new player #s across the world stuttered hard as players from Korea won every tournament?
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sloppy game, but Classic got it done
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What a sloppy ending there. :D
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On August 17 2019 20:01 Archerylady wrote:
Korean prize money for 3x GSL and 2x ST: ~500k.
Circuit prize money for all WCS offline and online: ~600k.
So 100k is the difference between dead and thriving? How much money needs to be injected into the Korean scene to cause Koreans to actually start watching SC2?
No amount of money will do that. They like to watch BW where the big names and streamers play and that's totally fine.
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I swear unless terran has like 10+ liberators they never win TVP past 14 minutes
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Dang, it. He looked pretty good in that last game I thought he could possibly win. Going to be tough from here.
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so would it be emberassing now for Major to be the one that let a Korean through?
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On August 17 2019 20:05 Penev wrote:
so would it be emberassing now for Major to be the one that let a Korean through?
He went full korean
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On August 17 2019 20:02 SchAmToo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2019 19:56 Musicus wrote:On August 17 2019 19:50 Pandain wrote:On August 17 2019 19:48 sneakyfox wrote:On August 17 2019 19:41 feardragon wrote:
If Korea can’t get a player to top 4 and all the intelligent people in this thread are right that Koreans are washed up and not as good as Europeans now, does that mean the people saying Koreans deserve ALL the opportunities because they’re better should now say we should move GSL to Europe to stop letting Koreans rob more deserving Europeans of opportunities? What a comment. Koreans are actually BARRED from Circuit events. Nobody is barred from GSL. You realize that even if Koreans could play in WCS, it wouldn't save the scene? The only people who would benefit from it (enough to warrant the plane tickets) are the people who consistently and reliably beat foreigners. Those people (stats, maru, dark, classic, etc...) are not the people suffering in Korea. The people suffering in Korea (alive, Losira, ragnarok), couldn't even make it far in WCS even if they could. Yeah they wouldn't get the qualifier spots and would most likely make a loss after paying for the flights. The lack of viewership and new players in Korea are the issues, not region lock. I still want region lock gone, so I can see more exciting games and get more variance in tournaments. But it won't help the Korean scene and hurt low level foreigners. But I am just a selfish fans who wants the best games . For the health of sc2 overall, Blizzard is doing well I think. So this is for trading the velocity of new players in Korea for the ones in the foreign scene? Didn’t last time there were no region locks the new player #s across the world stuttered hard as players from Korea won every tournament?
Yeah no region lock would definitely hurt new players outside of Korea and make good Koreans like Stats and Solar a lot more money. It still won't make young players in Korea choose sc2 over LoL or PUBG or increase the amount of Korean viewers drastically (enough to get Korean sponsors back), but hey if it means a lot more Serral vs Stats or Showtime vs Rogue, I still want region lock gone.
But I do understand Blizzard's point of view as well.
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when Neeb won KeSPA Cup, it turned out Proleague and all the teams were in the process of closing down
I hope there isn't a similar secret about to be announced soon that's weighing down on the koreans
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