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[GSL 2019] GSL vs. The World - Day 2
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Serral vs TY Serral Wins (36) TY Wins (28) 64 total votes Your vote: Serral vs TY Poll: Trap vs HeRoMaRinE Trap Wins (43) HeRoMaRinE Wins (6) 49 total votes Your vote: Trap vs HeRoMaRinE Poll: SpeCial vs Reynor Reynor Wins (30) SpeCial Wins (17) 47 total votes Your vote: SpeCial vs Reynor | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37034 Posts
On August 16 2019 06:28 Die4Ever wrote: title says "Day 1" No, it doesn't. You should go see an eye doctor  | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
On August 16 2019 06:54 Seeker wrote: No, it doesn't. You should go see an eye doctor oh yes sorry, I took some eye drops and I can see clearly now that the title is correct, but the OP says "Thursday, Aug 15 1:00am CDT (GMT-05:00)" | ||
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stilt
France2751 Posts
Some prono Serral 3-2 Trap 3-0 (I'll cheer for hm but he has a very bad record against korean protoss) Reynor 3-2 Classic 3-1 | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
 Serral 2-3  TY Trap 3-1 HeRoMaRinESpeCial 1-3 ReynorClassic 3-1 FanTaSyProbably what's gonna happen... or not? | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
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MoDiV
United States90 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 16 2019 12:22 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm staying up at least for the first match i swear it i made it 2.5 matches last night. was rough. are you eastern time zone? On August 16 2019 08:02 AzAlexZ wrote: Serral 2-3 TYTrap 3-1 HeRoMaRinESpeCial 1-3 ReynorClassic 3-1 FanTaSyProbably what's gonna happen... or not? at this point there is literally no point in trying to forecast these matches. clearly no one knows what the fuck is going to happen. after elazer > dark, trying to pick is silly. and even going as far as match score is even more sillyerier. but i'll do what everyone does in the lr threads and throw darts and if i'm right i'll quote myself and if i'm wrong i'll just sit in the corner like zomg cray ! ty > serral trap > heromarine special > reynor classic > fantasy | ||
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JJH777
United States4414 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 16 2019 14:24 JJH777 wrote: It's crazy that the two GSL and the IEM Katowice winners are out of this tournament already. SC2 returning to it's usual super volatile self. If Reynor and Serral get eliminated today which isn't unlikely then Stats will be the only player to make top 8 who has won a tournament this year. agreed. it's so hard to figure out who is where when. dark falling was an insane upset no matter what anyone says. i don't care about how good people say euro zvz is. that was still an insane upset though i've been told repeatedly by all of elazer's moms that i am an idiot for thinking dark would win and that they knew elazer was going to win all along. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
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Meeii
155 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 16 2019 14:36 SamirDuran wrote: I hope the upset spirit from yesterday will still linger today and have my boy fantasy to advance. But i dont get my hopes up since he is bad against protosses sorry but i don't think fantasy has a hockey puck's chance in a hurricane. it's like throwing a ham in a mud puddle. | ||
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
Creme de la creme. Can't wait. Hope Serral can show up vs big 🐟 Also Special vs Reynor should be close. Trap and Classic will stomp 3-0. Still can't awake from what Time showed yesterday. Damn, he is super strong legit contender! He look way better then Maru. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 16 2019 14:40 Johny1 wrote: Just woke up, and yes, it's about time.....Serral vs TY. Wow! Creme de la creme. Can't wait. Hope Serral can show up vs big 🐟 Also Special vs Reynor should be close. Trap and Classic will stomp 3-0. Still can't awake from what Time showed yesterday. Damn, he is super strong legit contender! He look way better then Maru. i agree with everything you said til the last phrase.. maru is very good just has a way of bouncing out of weekenders very early. idk what it is. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
But im talking about right now form. From what i saw yesterday Stats and Time are on different planet atm. This semi-final will be out of this world. Btw Time not long ago pushed Serral to the limit and i was wondering what was that. But what he did to soo yesterday was a statement: im coming for you guys. Keep working men, your skill lvl rise to the top. Im from Poland, but......poor Elazer. I prefer he would meet with Maru right now then Time. No bs. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
This leads us to conclude: Serral > TY Heromarine > Trap Reynor > Special Classic ? Fantasy | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On August 16 2019 14:44 Alejandrisha wrote: i agree with everything you said til the last phrase.. maru is very good just has a way of bouncing out of weekenders very early. idk what it is. I don't understand this excuse. It's not like he didn't know way ahead of time that he was going to play Stats. Whether it be weekender or GSL time frame, it would make no difference. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Recent history goes Serral but ... I am still not convinced. 55/45 Serral Trap v Heromarine I voted for Heromarine to be here ... but I don't think he has a chance. Special v Reynor I think Reynor is the more talented gamer, but I think Special is the more refined gamer. Reynor has phenomenal potential but he also plays ZvT to similar to Solar for me to feel he is a favorite. 50/50 Classic v Fantasy - Classic is better. Way better. And Fantasy's fans have been ... very unlikable recently. Normally, I would root for Fantasy. Today I hope he learns all about oracles and gets busted up bad. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
On August 16 2019 14:55 tigon_ridge wrote: I don't understand this excuse. It's not like he didn't know way ahead of time that he was going to play Stats. Whether it be weekender or GSL time frame, it would make no difference. one interesting thing is that Maru and Stats are in the same GSL ro16 group less than 3 weeks from now, I wonder how that'll turn out | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 16 2019 14:55 tigon_ridge wrote: I don't understand this excuse. It's not like he didn't know way ahead of time that he was going to play Stats. Whether it be weekender or GSL time frame, it would make no difference. i don't understand it either. i see him play so amazingly in gsl and just bomb out elsewhere | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
I am wondering if we will see something new. Ty is very, very clever. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 16 2019 15:02 Alejandrisha wrote: i don't understand it either. i see him play so amazingly in gsl and just bomb out elsewhere It's not that hard to understand when looking at the players he loses to, outside of katowice where he completely underperformed he just loses a lot to protoss (especially stats and sOs) | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
Trap (I wish Gabe can pull it off, but can t realy see that coming) Reynor Classic | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On August 16 2019 14:18 Alejandrisha wrote: i made it 2.5 matches last night. was rough. are you eastern time zone? no, west coast but i work very early in the morning | ||
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AlexZhang1012
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abuse
Latvia1934 Posts
wish I could watch. I have a bad feeling for TY vs Serral, feel like TY's going to win. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 16 2019 15:17 Fecalfeast wrote: no, west coast but i work very early in the morning well done. good luck tonight xD imo better matches tho the ones last night didn't disappoint + Show Spoiler + unless your a maru fan | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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capu
Finland224 Posts
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capu
Finland224 Posts
edit: a little surprising result. I started watching the game when Ty had lead in supply and workers so I thought Serral was in a tough spot | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
God mode on. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
Tough loss for TY, those are the games you have to win. | ||
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Meeii
155 Posts
On August 16 2019 15:31 HolydaKing wrote: This felt like a throw from TY. Late 4th, some really bad fights. Good starting game tho! I think he actually lost his 4th to zerglings too which feels weird. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 16 2019 15:35 Meeii wrote: I think he actually lost his 4th to zerglings too which feels weird. His first 4th was his main base which he flew over. | ||
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capu
Finland224 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16092 Posts
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romson87
Poland487 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
Edit: And rip all drones | ||
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capu
Finland224 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16092 Posts
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Anc13nt
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capu
Finland224 Posts
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Meeii
155 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
That was a great game of control from beginning to end. | ||
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XDEKSDEEXD
622 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
On August 16 2019 15:50 Tsubbi wrote: Insane how Serral made a game of this after the 2rax it always look like that when it is a mech follow up | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
TY is prepared! | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On August 16 2019 15:57 HolydaKing wrote: Serral sensed something coming. Not really, he scouted it with the one ling after overdroning to 67, he had 0 clue, but he is so good that he managed to respond in time | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7136 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
Game 2 he look like God and then game 3 he look like low gm | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 16 2019 15:59 IshinShishi wrote: Not really, he scouted it with the one ling after overdroning to 67, he had 0 clue, but he is so good that he managed to respond in time He already had lots of banelings and queens, he was preparing for something to come since TY had no 3rd. Which is also why he was scouting with the lings. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33457 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:00 Luolis wrote: TY decided that 2-base allin on the worst 2-base allin map is a good idea lmao can you blame him for not wanting to play long, split map vs Serral on this map ? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15995 Posts
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TheGoatPuncher
76 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:11 Charoisaur wrote: the next time I see terran building their armories exposed to locusts I'm gonna lose it Yeah, that was painful and so easily avoided. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15995 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:15 sudete wrote: late game tvz is the most depressing yay free units and mass spell casters lol | ||
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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rednusa
651 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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JJH777
United States4414 Posts
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Meeii
155 Posts
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
TY is dead. | ||
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rednusa
651 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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TheGoatPuncher
76 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:15 sudete wrote: late game tvz is the most depressing Late game PvZ would like to know your location. | ||
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fealx
Germany376 Posts
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:24 Kommander wrote: As a Protoss, I feel Terran's pain against lategame Zerg. U know,terran can feel Toss's pain against lategame Zerg too. | ||
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
O_O Stomp | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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rednusa
651 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:27 TheOneAboveU wrote: Patch before this tournament would have been good I guess. But yeah, no big surprise here imo. Which patch? | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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JJH777
United States4414 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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AlexZhang1012
63 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
anyway, i didn't really like what TY was doing there. Skyterran opening was cool, but why no BCs? and why did he transition into full bio agianst BL/Infestor??? | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Archerylady
277 Posts
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:28 JJH777 wrote: Terran is such a terrible race right now. The upcoming patch isn't going to do anything. Watch Time vs soO | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Motlu
Australia884 Posts
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fealx
Germany376 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:28 AlexZhang1012 wrote: You don't play late game against zerg and expect to win - unless you're Maru. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:30 Motlu wrote: I have never seen broodlord infestor control as good as Serral's..... still cancer to watch though Agreed, its full blown cancer, but you gotta recognize he is by far the best at it. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:30 Motlu wrote: I have never seen broodlord infestor control as good as Serral's..... still cancer to watch though Broodlord infestor "control" , now i have seen everything | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:31 The_Red_Viper wrote: Broodlord infestor "control" , now i have seen everything and how | ||
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267
64 Posts
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JJH777
United States4414 Posts
Soo has looked mediocre in all matchups for almost 6 months now. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7369 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15995 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:29 Archerylady wrote: The game was over for ages after TY went with the bizarre air build again that failed at HSC once already. This isn't lategame zerg being too strong, it's Terran defence being unbreakable even when they're extremely far behind. Imagine a zerg being as far behind as TY was, he would have gg'd before the terran units even bothered stepping on creep. watch Inno vs Serral from IEM. that was an even longer death animation. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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JohnnyBlaze420
Australia814 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3426 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:30 Motlu wrote: I have never seen broodlord infestor control as good as Serral's..... still cancer to watch though Agreed. I detest this style of play of so much, especially when you're as effective at it as Serral at is. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:32 JJH777 wrote: Soo has looked mediocre in all matchups for almost 6 months now. soo sleep walked thru that series idk how else to describe | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:31 The_Red_Viper wrote: Broodlord infestor "control" , now i have seen everything To be fair, Terran can beat that unit combo, unlike Protoss. It's hard, but it doesn't require fuckups from the Zerg if done well. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
soO isn't that good right now, and he's never been good vs terran, he even lost in GSL ro32 | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I hope Fantasy defends Korea. How hype would that be? I hope so as well. =) | ||
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267
64 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I hope Fantasy defends Korea. How hype would that be? Hype sure but I think the Korean protoess are the ones that can still bring home the trophy to Korea. | ||
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Johny1
Poland39 Posts
If he would play terran or protoss results would be same He was born to show us all how close to perfection you can get | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:33 HolydaKing wrote: To be fair, Terran can beat that unit combo, unlike Protoss. It's hard, but it doesn't require fuckups from the Zerg if done well. I would consider nukes doing anything zerg fucking up, don't even have to lose any static defense :D | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote: i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney yea idk, I have a hard time picking just a few things that would be best to nerf for zerg without going overboard, it's a tough choice but I think the upcoming patch isn't enough | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:33 HolydaKing wrote: To be fair, Terran can beat that unit combo, unlike Protoss. It's hard, but it doesn't require fuckups from the Zerg if done well. Actually it still does. Fungal outranges snipe and taking damage from nukes is on the Zerg too. Honestly first and fourth game were everything I hate about TvZ. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:33 HolydaKing wrote: To be fair, Terran can beat that unit combo, unlike Protoss. It's hard, but it doesn't require fuckups from the Zerg if done well. terran can beat it if they have significantly better mechanics, everytime I saw terran beating this the zerg did "fuck up" majorly, usually its broodlords being forgotten in the middle of nowhere | ||
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JJH777
United States4414 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:34 Johny1 wrote: Serral is just a golden boy of sc2 If he would play terran or protoss results would be same He was born to show us all how close to perfection you can get There's no way someone can actually believe this. If Serral played Terran he may have won a few WCS but there's no way he would have ever won a tournament with Koreans. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:35 The_Red_Viper wrote: I would consider nukes doing anything zerg fucking up, don't even have to lose any static defense :D yea getting hit by a nuke at this point is just embarrassing, they're so slow | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:34 Johny1 wrote: Serral is just a golden boy of sc2 If he would play terran or protoss results would be same He was born to show us all how close to perfection you can get It wouldn't, there's a reason why no foreign Terran was as dominative as the past Protoss or Zerg players. The last one was Thorzain  | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:34 Johny1 wrote: Serral is just a golden boy of sc2 If he would play terran or protoss results would be same He was born to show us all how close to perfection you can get Yea. His off-race terran is 6300 MMR. Imagine if Terran was his main race. I'd actually like to see him off-race as protoss more, though. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:37 tigon_ridge wrote: Yea. His off-race terran is 6300 MMR. Imagine if Terran was his main race. I'd actually like to see him off-race as protoss more, though. Maru offracing toss is good enough to beat Dear | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
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Elentos
55555 Posts
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:34 Schelim wrote: inb4 Koreans set up teamhouses in Europe Wouldn't be the first time. Alien Invasion had a house in Germany with Patience, Golden, and some others. MC, Mvp, and the other WCS EU legionaries stayed there sometimes too. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 16 2019 14:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: As we have established yesterday the player with the better english wins the series. This leads us to conclude: Serral > TY Heromarine > Trap Reynor > Special Classic ? Fantasy 1/1, 3 more to go. So who has the better english for fantasy vs classic? | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:37 NoS-Craig wrote: How good is Heromarines TvP? We might get our next Korean after this upcoming series. Trap is considered as one of the best TvPers out there, so unless he goes full Maru and appears no trying at all, Heromarine has no chance. If Trap goes full Maru that would be so shameful after all what he did to get the votes, so I hope he doesn't. | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:38 TheOneAboveU wrote: Wouldn't be the first time. Alien Invasion had a house in Germany with Patience, Golden, and some others. MC, Mvp, and the other WCS EU legionaries stayed there sometimes too. And none of them won EPS. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:43 sneakyfox wrote: Serral is still going to go through Korea to win this. Trap > Classic > Stats would be the path. The irony of not being able to take the home trophy but winning this? Interesting. | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
Those were such good times. EUROPA HÄLT STAND! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:44 TheOneAboveU wrote: Those were such good times. EUROPA HÄLT STAND! Thankfully the WCS was won by Jorgen  | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:43 sneakyfox wrote: Serral is still going to go through Korea to win this. Trap > Classic > Stats would be the path. His worst matchup, unfortunately. Stats's oracles showed how zerg can absolutely get ruined before late game even begins. | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:32 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote: i just dont understand how the only nerf for zerg in the current patch was fixing infested terrans.... i understand the toss nerfs but seriously? And yes taking into account how good serral is as well. I dunno. would have been nice to have seen the stim and emp buffs before this tourney The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
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Elentos
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On August 16 2019 16:49 NoS-Craig wrote: Whelp just threw away the Raven. That aside tho Heromarine is doing a better job of playing like Maru than Maru did. | ||
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On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote: The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. Add doing something about the Infestor to that list and you've got at good recipe for fixing lategame ZvT. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:47 Elentos wrote: The thing I don't get is them not touching nydus. As a stupid mega all-in mechanic it was never as strong as it is now that it's just a tool for regular games. It's so cheap to do and so annoying (and difficult) to deal with, in late game on big economy it's basically free. And Protoss and Terran kinda give up almost all their army mobility to stalemate the frontal BL/infestor stuff. What I don't get is that they're nerfing recall while leaving Nydus which is a big ass recall all over the map... c'mon. | ||
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On August 16 2019 16:53 sneakyfox wrote: Add doing something about the Infestor to that list and you've got at good recipe for fixing lategame ZvT. Well they're nerfing infested Terrans which might end up being enough, remains to be seen. Also Heromarine overstims like he's Flash. | ||
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On August 16 2019 16:50 Elentos wrote: That aside tho Heromarine is doing a better job of playing like Maru than Maru did. tbf Trap is playing worse than Stats did | ||
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On August 16 2019 16:53 deacon.frost wrote: What I don't get is that they're nerfing recall while leaving Nydus which is a big ass recall all over the map... c'mon. Figure the reasoning is that recall is seen as a get out of jail free card where you can defend after being completely out of position, and in relatively quick succession, making defense a bit too easy in conjunction with warp-ins and batteries. Meanwhile nobody uses nydus to defend their bases from being out of position. Yet. | ||
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dbRic1203
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Sitting in a train with realy bad Internet, so no chance to watch | ||
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On August 16 2019 16:54 NoS-Craig wrote: Guess I got my hopes up. For a second there I thought Heromarine could win that game. Was that before he stimmed all his units to orange health? | ||
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deacon.frost
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On August 16 2019 16:56 Elentos wrote: Figure the reasoning is that recall is seen as a get out of jail free card where you can defend after being completely out of position, and in relatively quick succession, making defense a bit too easy in conjunction with warp-ins and batteries. Meanwhile nobody uses nydus to defend their bases from being out of position. Yet. So it's just about the defense, blinking swarmhosts are fine? Sometimes I don't understand Blizzard, well, lately it's most of the time | ||
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On August 16 2019 16:54 Elentos wrote: Well they're nerfing infested Terrans which might end up being enough, remains to be seen. Yeah I don't see how it would have much impact on ZvT, it's fungal and neural that's used the majority of the time there. | ||
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On August 16 2019 16:58 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah I don't see how it would have much impact on ZvT, it's fungal and neural that's used the majority of the time there. Well, infested Terrans are just so good at bursting through liberators and even mass BC gets completely rekt. If mass BC doesn't lose a straight up fight to infested Terrans super easily anymore, it might become a viable transition. You can play around neural and even fungal to an extend, but ITs win every fight against any air army super hard. | ||
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On August 16 2019 16:58 deacon.frost wrote: So it's just about the defense, blinking swarmhosts are fine? Sometimes I don't understand Blizzard, well, lately it's most of the time Well realistically they probably somewhat caved in from the pressure of hundreds of people whining about Protoss. But then it turned out Zerg's an even bigger problem. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3119 Posts
On August 16 2019 16:57 Elentos wrote: Was that before he stimmed all his units to orange health? Before he lost his Raven. It's alright though man it's ok. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 17:04 Elentos wrote: Well realistically they probably somewhat caved in from the pressure of hundreds of people whining about Protoss. But then it turned out Zerg's an even bigger problem. And it took them so much time to react, somehow I feel very pesimistic about the next year. | ||
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All praise the Time Being | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:02 Elentos wrote: Well, infested Terrans are just so good at bursting through liberators and even mass BC gets completely rekt. If mass BC doesn't lose a straight up fight to infested Terrans super easily anymore, it might become a viable transition. You can play around neural and even fungal to an extend, but ITs win every fight against any air army super hard. Okay but then we're back to the Nydus. Because playing around neural/fungal involves not just having two main armies crashing into each other. And with nydus it's just too hard to pull the zerg apart. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:11 sneakyfox wrote: Okay but then we're back to the Nydus. Because playing around neural/fungal involves not just having two main armies crashing into each other. And with nydus it's just too hard to pull the zerg apart. Well yeah they should have done something with both, that's what I was saying. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:14 Elentos wrote: Gabe my man, it was a great attempt but this is gonna be the one where Korea actually wins for once. Which was expected, the only surprise so far is Dark IMO. | ||
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Slovakia1855 Posts
Serral is not that big of a surprise I suppose, but wtf Dark? :/ Heromarine seems to be in top form, but against probably the best PvT player ATM, its still not enough. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:17 MarianoSC2 wrote: Dark and TY lost? Whoah. Serral is not that big of a surprise I suppose, but wtf Dark? :/ Heromarine seems to be in top form, but against probably the best PvT player ATM, its still not enough. it might not have changed the outcome of the series but Dark threw the first game of the series so hard | ||
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 17:17 MarianoSC2 wrote: Dark and TY lost? Whoah. Serral is not that big of a surprise I suppose, but wtf Dark? :/ Heromarine seems to be in top form, but against probably the best PvT player ATM, its still not enough. TY would be the surprise here, not Serral. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:17 MarianoSC2 wrote: Dark and TY lost? Whoah. Serral is not that big of a surprise I suppose, but wtf Dark? :/ Heromarine seems to be in top form, but against probably the best PvT player ATM, its still not enough. Honestly Dark losing ZvZ to Elazer has happened before, it's not that surprising in the end. He would have beaten all the non-Zerg foreigners surely. Also imo TY was closer to beating Serral than the 1-3 maybe makes it seem, Serral had some real close calls. | ||
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I was more shocked to see just how bad soO is at the moment, but haven't been following his play closely lately though. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 17:21 sneakyfox wrote: Dark losing that series was surprising of course but it really wasn't that shocking. He already lost to Elazer at blizzcon and we know it is by far Elazer's strongest matchup. A couple of mistakes here and there, some volatility, and it's a narrow 3-2. I actually considered betting Elazer because of the off chance. A result like that is bound to happen every once in a while if those two keep playing Bo5's. I was more shocked to see just how bad soO is at the moment, but haven't been following his play closely lately though. I was yesterday bashed around for using the word bad, be careful (and yeah, he's bad) | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:22 deacon.frost wrote: I was yesterday bashed around for using the word bad, be careful (and yeah, he's bad)Well we still saw his macro brilliance in glimpses and his army engagements were decent enough but his positioning was just horrendous. It was so easy for TIME to pull him apart. And soO can't keep pretending the meta hasn't developed for five years, you just can't win like that once we get past the roach-push-smash-em mark. On August 16 2019 17:24 Elentos wrote: What surprised me about soO is the fact that he tried to play macro games when it just doesn't feel like it's in his nature to be passive like that. I was expecting roach "pressure" or something of the sort every game. Just feels like a guy trying to play like Serral when that doesn't correspond to his strengths at all. You really feel like he did that? I thought his late-game approach was marked by how much was missing all the time from his composition. Did he even get nydus at all? | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:25 sneakyfox wrote: Well we still saw his macro brilliance in glimpses and his army engagements were decent enough but his positioning was just horrendous. It was so easy for TIME to pull him apart. And soO can't keep pretending the meta hasn't developed for five years, you just can't win like that once we get past the roach-push-smash-em mark. Feels like all of soO's strengths are based on lair tech and when he has a hive he doesn't know what he's doing anymore. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:27 Argonauta wrote: Korean production is top notch At least they beat WCS in one regard still, amiriteguys hahahah?! | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:27 Argonauta wrote: Korean production is top notch So true. One almost forgets how good it is because it's basically flawless. And Shine is a god among men when it comes to observing. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 17:27 Elentos wrote: Feels like all of soO's strengths are based on lair tech and when he has a hive he doesn't know what he's doing anymore. What I don't get is why he received so many votes. He didn't show anything to get them. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:27 Argonauta wrote: Korean production is top notch I agree. it's one of the main reasons why I prefer GSL over WCS | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:29 Waxangel wrote: 4-0 foreigner vs Korean sweep in first round, plz :o That would be too much, lol. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:29 deacon.frost wrote: What I don't get is why he received so many votes. He didn't show anything to get them. Well first off he's soO. He doesn't need to show anything to be popular. And secondly it's not like the other options for Korean Zergs mega appealing either | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:29 Waxangel wrote: 4-0 foreigner vs Korean sweep in first round, plz :o Yeah, let's finally get that region lock smashed into oblivion. And then it turns out the joke is on us because blizzard just kills off WCS completely at the end of the year anyway. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:29 Waxangel wrote: 4-0 foreigner vs Korean sweep in first round, plz :o 4-0 foreigner sweep into Stats vs Classic finals | ||
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HolydaKing
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On August 16 2019 17:31 Elentos wrote: 4-0 foreigner sweep into Stats vs Classic finals TIME vs Fantasy imo. No but seriously, hard to imagine Stats not getting to the finals this time. | ||
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MoDiV
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On August 16 2019 17:30 Elentos wrote: Well first off he's soO. He doesn't need to show anything to be popular. And secondly it's not like the other options for Korean Zergs mega appealing either I mean solar did pretty good at asus rog | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:30 Elentos wrote: Well first off he's soO. He doesn't need to show anything to be popular. And secondly it's not like the other options for Korean Zergs mega appealing either Hey, I voted for Solar! He would have rekt TIME tbh | ||
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deacon.frost
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On August 16 2019 17:30 Elentos wrote: Well first off he's soO. He doesn't need to show anything to be popular. And secondly it's not like the other options for Korean Zergs mega appealing either Rogue showed some good games, Solar too. I think that many people live still in the HotS era when soO was the best Zerg around. That's why I think that only 2 or 3 places in Korea should be resolved by fan voting. It still hurts me when I realize this soO will go into Blizzcon. I hope he will get the form, but somehow I doubt it. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:31 Schelim wrote: anyone else supposed to be working today? Yup but whatcha gonna do? | ||
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After the vote was already over Rogue vs PartinG in GSL was one of the worst series I've seen all year and Rogue hasn't had a good year so far in general either. | ||
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Is Trap just not realizing how this game is? Did he think he was all in even after killing those workers? e: still fine though | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:36 Elentos wrote: After the vote was already over Rogue vs PartinG in GSL was one of the worst series I've seen all year and Rogue hasn't had a good year so far in general either. | ||
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thankfully i can work from home and there's almost noone in the company working today due to the holiday. so it doesn't really matter. i thought i'd get some stuff done during this series but it's been more interesting than i expected. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On August 16 2019 17:39 Vindicare605 wrote: And THIS is why the Warp Prism is getting nerfed. Because Trap is too good? | ||
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NotSoHappy
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On August 16 2019 17:39 Vindicare605 wrote: And THIS is why the Warp Prism is getting nerfed. not like traps build was better vs what heromarine was doing just terran whine | ||
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Because of the brutally imbalanced colossus micro strats clearly | ||
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Charoisaur
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On August 16 2019 17:41 NotSoHappy wrote: not like traps build was better vs what heromarine was doing just terran whine Terran micros well - "literal god" Protoss micros well - "lol Protoss bullshit" | ||
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Schelim
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On August 16 2019 17:39 Vindicare605 wrote: And THIS is why the Warp Prism is getting nerfed. sorry mate but Heromarine was far from the favourite against Trap | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:32 sneakyfox wrote: Hey, I voted for Solar! He would have rekt TIME tbh IMO if you swap Dark and soO, they probably would've both advanced but yea I would've rather had Solar than soO | ||
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deacon.frost
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On August 16 2019 17:41 Charoisaur wrote: Terran micros well - "literal god" Protoss micros well - "lol Protoss bullshit" Also with Protoss micro people cannot whine about 1a!!!! | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:39 Schelim wrote: thankfully i can work from home and there's almost noone in the company working today due to the holiday. so it doesn't really matter. i thought i'd get some stuff done during this series but it's been more interesting than i expected. Yeah, I always work from home. My productivity takes a serious blow whenever there's a major tournament going on But my post count on TL goes up quite a bit, so there's that lul | ||
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Alejandrisha
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On August 16 2019 17:39 Vindicare605 wrote: And THIS is why the Warp Prism is getting nerfed. do you think 1 less range would have changed anything..?? | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:43 Alejandrisha wrote: do i think 1 less range would have done anything..?? Well do you? | ||
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lol i made like 8 typos in that very small post.. edited xD | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:42 Die4Ever wrote: IMO if you swap Dark and soO, they probably would've both advanced but yea I would've rather had Solar than soO True, they would both have played their strongest matchup. Dark certainly would have 3-0'd TIME. | ||
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Johny1
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On August 16 2019 17:46 Shuffleblade wrote: How was the Serral vs TY series, saw most of the first game but missed the rest? First 2 games were close Game 3 and 4 stomps | ||
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MoDiV
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On August 16 2019 17:46 Shuffleblade wrote: How was the Serral vs TY series, saw most of the first game but missed the rest? the games were very close | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On August 16 2019 17:46 sneakyfox wrote: True, they would both have played their strongest matchup. Dark certainly would have 3-0'd TIME. idk about that. dark didn't show up to play. maybe if he was matched against time he would have taken the match more seriously, perhaps. but that was the biggest L i've seen a KR player take against a foreigner | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:46 Shuffleblade wrote: How was the Serral vs TY series, saw most of the first game but missed the rest? Game 2 was pretty cool, game 3 was pretty underwhelming (just Serral holding a big all-in he probably should have died to) and game 4 was very strong nydus SH into BL/infestor play from Serral after a terrible early game. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
It's not Terran being weak, you cannot realistically be surprised and complain when Serral beats TY(how many titles and deep runs does he have to do before he's given the advantage coming into one series) and Heromarine simply has never beaten a korean Protoss, regardless of balance and patches, if I remember correctly. Releasing a patch before this tournament would have beem very bad timing. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:50 Xain0n wrote: Nice results and alive Liquibets! It's not Terran being weak, you cannot realistically be surprised and complain when Serral beats TY(how many titles and deep runs does he have to do before he's given the advantage coming into one series) and Heromarine simply has never beaten a korean Protoss, regardless of balance and patches, if I remember correctly. Releasing a patch before this tournament would have beem very bad timing. He was given the advantage by pretty much everyone. The fact that everyone agrees Zerg's too strong in the late game is another thing entirely. | ||
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Reynor is such a baller, loves his outlook on the game | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:51 Poaktree wrote: Btw, where do Koreans watch these games? The KR twitch has very low view count. AfreecaTV. But that stream has like one tenth the viewers of the English main stream. | ||
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TIME last hero | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:54 yyltyler wrote: Can trap beat serral I think he could but I'd say out of the 3 Korean Protosses in this tournament he's the least likely to do it for sure. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15995 Posts
On August 16 2019 17:50 Xain0n wrote: Nice results and alive Liquibets! It's not Terran being weak, you cannot realistically be surprised and complain when Serral beats TY(how many titles and deep runs does he have to do before he's given the advantage coming into one series) and Heromarine simply has never beaten a korean Protoss, regardless of balance and patches, if I remember correctly. Releasing a patch before this tournament would have beem very bad timing. you can make excuses all you want but this is already the 4th tournament this year where terran is doing terribly. Maybe at one point it's not a coincidence anymore every terran happens to be unfavored against his opponent. | ||
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Serral being Serral as per usual. I wonder if TY has success with that style he showed the last game vs other players, it doesn’t seem to work against Serral’s strengths at all | ||
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MoDiV
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On August 16 2019 17:56 Highrock1 wrote: Fuck, didn't get up in time, how were the serral games? Close games | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On August 16 2019 17:51 Poaktree wrote: Btw, where do Koreans watch these games? The KR twitch has very low view count. Afreeca, you can watch the player views on their substreams over there too | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 16 2019 17:56 Charoisaur wrote: you can make excuses all you want but this is already the 4th tournament this year where terran is doing terribly. Maybe at one point it's not a coincidence anymore every terran happens to be unfavored against his opponent. But Maru won the invitational! | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:57 Wombat_NI wrote: Heromarine played pretty well, Trap showed his PvT chops though, least it was a decent enough series. Serral being Serral as per usual. I wonder if TY has success with that style he showed the last game vs other players, it doesn’t seem to work against Serral’s strengths at all I can tell you it didn't work against Dark on ladder either. And this was the improved and advanced version infinitely stronger than what he did at HSC on King's Cove, but it still seems pretty weak. To be fair though I think he was counting on taking less damage from the swarm hosts. It probably worked in practice a few times or else he wouldn't bring it to a tournament tho. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:51 Poaktree wrote: Btw, where do Koreans watch these games? The KR twitch has very low view count. Afreeca.tv or on actual TV. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:01 TheOneAboveU wrote: Come to think of it, there should be a burning death animation for overlords when killed by a BC. Them being splattered doesn't really fit. Quite the opposite, they need to do the baloon animation, start to flying wildly in random directions while doing fart noises! | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On August 16 2019 18:02 deacon.frost wrote: Quite the opposite, they need to do the baloon animation, start to flying wildly in random directions while doing fart noises! Feels like a good idea for the Carbot mod. :D | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:03 TheOneAboveU wrote: Feels like a good idea for the Carbot mod. :D I want Cartooned versions of the SC2 campaigns. | ||
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stilt
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On August 16 2019 17:54 yyltyler wrote: Can trap beat serral As a gsl finalist, sure he can, should be tense. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:06 sneakyfox wrote: If Special gets handled this hard after having such a good early game it's hard to see him take the series. Was expecting Reynor to win handily anyway, their matches in WCS are always very one-sided too. I'm not a big fan of Special's TvZ, much prefer his TvP and TvT. | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:53 Schelim wrote: so at this point, do we consider Major a foreigner or a Korean? I think we make this choice depending on the outcome of the match. If Special wins he's a foreigner, if he loses WCS handed Korea another big L. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:11 Charoisaur wrote: did Reynor just fall apart? The game passed the 15 minute mark, Reynor is automatically behind. He shouldn't let himself get there. Honestly though why is Reynor not taking more bases, he's just watching Special take half the map. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:12 sneakyfox wrote: Is there some reason Reynor hasn't transitioned to Hydras? Hydras aren't really great against anything Special has so no point spending the money to upgrade them honestly. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:13 NoS-Craig wrote: I thought Reynor had more Investors than that. He bought too many expensive clothes, not much left to invest from his prize money. | ||
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And Fantasy hasn't even played yet | ||
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On August 16 2019 16:29 Archerylady wrote: The game was over for ages after TY went with the bizarre air build again that failed at HSC once already. This isn't lategame zerg being too strong, it's Terran defence being unbreakable even when they're extremely far behind. Imagine a zerg being as far behind as TY was, he would have gg'd before the terran units even bothered stepping on creep. Hello, you still here? Special needed 15 minutes to kill a dead Reynor | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:14 TheOneAboveU wrote: He bought too many expensive clothes, not much left to invest from his prize money. lol, typo. Special hell yer. Looked like Reynor had him but he just kept going. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:23 Heartland wrote: I never thought mech/skyterran vs bl/infestor would be so good. Lots of BCs + Liberator (so infestors die if they go in range) + turrets for the corruptors is pretty strong. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:25 HolydaKing wrote: Lots of BCs + Liberator (so infestors die if they go in range) + turrets for the corruptors is pretty strong. Being up several bases + several upgrades + what amounts to like 40 workers is also good in starcraft | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:56 Charoisaur wrote: you can make excuses all you want but this is already the 4th tournament this year where terran is doing terribly. Maybe at one point it's not a coincidence anymore every terran happens to be unfavored against his opponent. Before saying they did "terribly" I would wait for this tournament to end. I am not sold on Terran being that weak, and I am definitely not convinced TvZ lategame is Z favored; in any of case, the patch that will be released next week will nerf Protoss, nerf Zerg and buff Terran. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:34 Xain0n wrote: Before saying they did "terribly" I would wait for this tournament to end. I am not sold on Terran being that weak, and I am definitely not convinced TvZ lategame is Z favored; in any of case, the patch that will be released next week will nerf Protoss, nerf Zerg and buff Terran. yeah I was expecting Reynor to win | ||
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On August 16 2019 17:53 Poopi wrote: Reynor 3-0 special I guess TIME last hero LUL | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:39 sneakyfox wrote: Rotti overhyping Reynor quite a bit there. His ZvZ is top obviously, but not his ZvT. Clearly. yeah I also remember him losing to Heromarines Bio play so that's not as invincible as Rotti says | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:46 Azurues wrote: Special showcasing some TvZ here Game is still pretty even though. | ||
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Edit: nvm, but was realy hoping | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:50 dbRic1203 wrote: Reverse sweep inc nope... Special is pretty good | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:50 dbRic1203 wrote: Reverse sweep inc That's a bold statement lol | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:53 DieuCure wrote: OK so the only terrans in ro8 will be foreigners. we went through some sort of portal must be | ||
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Well it's also a bit related to the fact that TY and Maru played the two best players in the world while TIME and Special played Zergs who are honestly quite mediocre at ZvT | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:53 stilt wrote: Disappointing performance by reynor, his zvt is pretty bad, I didn't expect this. At ASUS ROG he said ZvP is his best matchup, and it seems his ZvZ is very good so yeah, pretty sure ZvT is his worst matchup. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:55 sneakyfox wrote: Well it's also a bit related to the fact that TY and Maru played the two best players in the world while TIME and Special played Zergs who are honestly quite mediocre at ZvT nah, must've been a portal | ||
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TL;DR Special vs Reynor anyone pls? Just got online | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:56 AlgeriaT wrote: Wow Special my MAN! TL;DR Special vs Reynor anyone pls? Just got online BC's in first 2 games, then went MMMM+tank, hellbat in game 3 to shut him out 3-0. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:55 sneakyfox wrote: Well it's also a bit related to the fact that TY and Maru played the two best players in the world while TIME and Special played Zergs who are honestly quite mediocre at ZvT Did they play themselves ? It seems much more plausible to me. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:57 DieuCure wrote: Did they play themselves ? It seems much more plausible to me. I dunno maybe they played themselves through the portal? | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:53 DieuCure wrote: OK so the only terrans in ro8 will be foreigners. And most likely all the koreans advancing will be Protoss; It fully enhances this new narrative of people having to choose if they prefer Terran or the korean overlords, very fun. I am surprised by Special but I am not disappointed, I guess Terran are doing fine overall. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:57 yoshi245 wrote: BC's in first 2 games, then went MMMM+tank, hellbat in game 3 to shut him out 3-0. Ty! <3 BC good unit. Dorito even better unit. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:59 sneakyfox wrote: I dunno maybe they played themselves through the portal? From that point of view, it makes a lot of sense. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:57 NoS-Craig wrote: I want Fantasy to win but I think Classic will advance. Shame Fantasy is seen as one of the weaker players here considering his status in Brood war. It's not that he is seen as one of the weaker player, he is if we judge by results and not history of fame. Fantasy in sc2 never came close to his BW's level judging by past results, but I feel he might be on the rise and I expect this series will be way closer than most think it will be. | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:55 sneakyfox wrote: Well it's also a bit related to the fact that TY and Maru played the two best players in the world while TIME and Special played Zergs who are honestly quite mediocre at ZvT they played Dark and Classic? | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:07 yoshi245 wrote: I'd love to see Fantasy win, but Classic is still one of the top Toss there is despite him planning to go to military service soon enough. Classic has been shaky in PvT while Fantasy's TvP is good enough, and they are practice partners apparently. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:02 abuse wrote: twitch chat horrible towards special though. dem fucking casuls just have no clues | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:02 abuse wrote: twitch chat horrible towards special though. Who aren't they horrible to, though? There just is no greater hive of scum and villiany than Twitch chat. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:09 TheOneAboveU wrote: Who aren't they horrible to, though? There just is no greater hive of scum and villiany than Twitch chat. LoL chat? | ||
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It is close among those four but I'd say Stats is better than Classic. Either way you can make the case for any of the four. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:09 TheOneAboveU wrote: Who aren't they horrible to, though? There just is no greater hive of scum and villiany than Twitch chat. Hmm I dunno, I'd say most of Western governments and parliaments make a strong case for themselves. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:14 sneakyfox wrote: It is close among those four but I'd say Stats is better than Classic. Either way you can make the case for any of the four. fair enough | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:19 Penev wrote: this tournament is weird K O R E A | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:19 Anc13nt wrote: rekted toss blyatiful game | ||
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highest skill era | ||
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On August 16 2019 18:56 Argonauta wrote: well now the stomp not quite just yet. | ||
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What ? I just saw a lot of terrans complaining as usual, whether the T player is winning or losing. | ||
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e: that target fire though | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:27 Musicus wrote: so sad, 99/100 times that bunker finishes seriously those missclicks :/ he probably would have won it too, the very least would have done a tone of dmg. Like nothing kills a bunker with 4 marines there. Fanta must be kicking himself | ||
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WTF Fantasy! | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:32 royalroadweed wrote: Huge throw by fanta indeed really sloppy | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:31 Elentos wrote: Nice F2 bro that didn't look like an F2. more like a missclick/pathing error | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:32 Musicus wrote: A game of mistakes. So a standard Fantasy game? | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:32 Charoisaur wrote: that didn't look like an F2. more like a missclick/pathing error Yeah, there's no way he'd F2 a drop. Maybe he even tried to click away but hit the right side of the minimap. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:32 Charoisaur wrote: that didn't look like an F2. more like a missclick/pathing error Definitely not a pathing error because he was running away then turned around. Probably thought he had his drop selected and clicked on the 3rd base or something. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:33 Circumstance wrote: That was a horrid game by Fantasy from beginning to end. What happened to Game 1 Fantasy? How did he disappear that quickly? It wasn't like Classic played flawless though, so I still have hopes for Fantasy. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:33 Elentos wrote: The Koreans are just going full foreigner this tournament. Koreans are also part of The World. | ||
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What's going on GSL team? | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:35 sneakyfox wrote: What kind of shenanigans will Fantasy go for this time? Baneling bust would be cool Definitely would be unexpected. | ||
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That's Fantasy for you | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:34 blooblooblahblah wrote: Yeah, there's no way he'd F2 a drop. Maybe he even tried to click away but hit the right side of the minimap. agreed, 100% pathing error / minimap click On August 16 2019 19:34 Elentos wrote: Definitely not a pathing error because he was running away then turned around. Probably thought he had his drop selected and clicked on the 3rd base or something. well there's no such pathing error, that the pathfinidng just breaks down on its own. Pathing "error" refers to something like you give a command, and repeat it (spam click or anything), and first the units choose one path, then a couple dpi clicks further, and suddenly they pick the polar opposite path to get there. It happens, not a bug, myabe not even an error per say, but yeah, it happens and it s annoying as hell | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:29 abuse wrote: I haven't played starcraft2 in a very long time, and I want fantasy to win, but the fact that a terran could do such a proxy attack while also taking an expansion and not have it be all-in and lose instantly afterwards when toss holds it is something that stopped me from playing sc2. Just for the record Protoss can also proxy and expand behind it against Terran. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:36 ggrrg wrote: Not one, but two crucial missclicks from fantasy X_X I don't think I have seen something like this ever since I started following sc2... and I have been watching since the first GSL open... Life regulary explodind 30 banelings by missclick was kind of similar. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:37 Circumstance wrote: Incidentally, at what point do we, as an esports community, retire a phrase that has always been bigoted, isn't reflective of the modern state of the game, and originated from a straight-up slur in the first place? you mean foreigner? maybe after we retire region lock | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:39 Die4Ever wrote: you mean foreigner? maybe after we retire region lock Foreigner is problematic and has always been, but I was referring to when you put an alliterative word in front of it. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:40 NoS-Craig wrote: God hates Fantasy. Or maybe Classic is God? | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:37 Circumstance wrote: Incidentally, at what point do we, as an esports community, retire a phrase that has always been bigoted, isn't reflective of the modern state of the game, and originated from a straight-up slur in the first place? Yeah I agree it's time to retire the "faceless Korean" shtick. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:36 ggrrg wrote: Not one, but two crucial missclicks from fantasy X_X I don't think I have seen something like this ever since I started following sc2... and I have been watching since the first GSL open... Nationwars IV qualifier Byun vs Ptak, never forget ! | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:41 Elentos wrote: Yeah I agree it's time to retire the "faceless Korean" shtick. I think he was talking about "dishwashers" referencing ESF players or maybe "runners" referencing the old koreans that left korea to play in WCS | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:41 Circumstance wrote: Foreigner is problematic and has always been, but I was referring to when you put an alliterative word in front of it. funny? | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:44 sneakyfox wrote: Get rekt Terrans Terrans that are from Korea or Germany. | ||
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TIME vs Special grand finals to silence everyone! | ||
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F A B U L O U S | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:46 Charoisaur wrote: now I'm getting curious what he actually means I'm hoping foxy | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:46 Charoisaur wrote: now I'm getting curious what he actually means If I must say it, I mean "full". | ||
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It was quite clearly the only way to suspend the sandiest hair competition. | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:44 Elentos wrote: Real talk tho how come Neeb is the only player we've seen with the Protoss skins cause they want to keep thier race OP | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:51 Elentos wrote: It's sad it's always a gateway tho let's be honest. Proxy robo or some proxy voidray would be cool for once. FLEET BEACON YES | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:52 Terra1 wrote: Fleet Beacon now, WOW! its abusive adept + tempests build and its very bullshit on some old maps but not on the green i think | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:54 seemsgood wrote: its abusive adept + tempests build and its very bullshit on some old maps but not on the green i think Gets a kill on 1 tempest | ||
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I think for the first time ever im leading the betting | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:58 Geo.Rion wrote: 8 / 8 Liquibets baby, yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah I think for the first time ever im leading the betting Lucky you. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:00 CoupdeBoule wrote: Wp Classic - super impressive that you clicked select Protoss in the game lobby well done mate Fantasy rightclicking his army into its death was definitely because Protoss is OP. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:01 Charoisaur wrote: Fantasy rightclicking his army into its death was definitely because Protoss is OP. Yeah we call that a statement. Also I feel like Maru and TY would have done better in this tournament if they swapped opponents. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:01 HolydaKing wrote: Did anyone count the number of shield batteries? Ugh. at one point it were 14 | ||
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On August 16 2019 19:59 Charoisaur wrote: that was some empty foreigner play there hmm I like this phrase, it perfectly describes how I feel | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:01 HolydaKing wrote: Did anyone count the number of shield batteries? Ugh. Structure tab showed it was at least 14. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:01 HolydaKing wrote: Did anyone count the number of shield batteries? Ugh. One single wall of shield batteries. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:00 CoupdeBoule wrote: Wp Classic - super impressive that you clicked select Protoss in the game lobby well done mate You should exclusively stay in twitch chat. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:03 Waxangel wrote: How does anyone hate on proxy tempest? it's fucking hilarious XD That's a perspective for people who don't play ladder. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:02 Elentos wrote: Yeah we call that a statement. Also I feel like Maru and TY would have done better in this tournament if they swapped opponents. yea probably, although Maru didn't seem focused on this tournament at all would've been nice to get Inno instead of Fantasy | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:02 Elentos wrote: Yeah we call that a statement. Also I feel like Maru and TY would have done better in this tournament if they swapped opponents. Don't know, looked like Maru came with his "I don't want to play this game anymore" again. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:04 Nakajin wrote: Look at that, the guy who has not been relevent in the last 7 years lost, who would have thunken That's a bit harsh my dude, Reynor is barely 7 years old. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:04 Nakajin wrote: Look at that, the guy who has not been relevent in the last 7 years lost, who would have thunken All the people who voted him in? | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:04 Nakajin wrote: Look at that, the guy who has not been relevent in the last 7 years lost, who would have thunken He used new warchest skins. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:04 deacon.frost wrote: Don't know, looked like Maru came with his "I don't want to play this game anymore" again. IIRC he said he wanted to play Serral though. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:06 Elentos wrote: IIRC he said he wanted to play Serral though. Maybe we'll get a bo1 tomorrow | ||
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Nope, Serral made sure of that | ||
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They are in the same team. | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:06 Elentos wrote: IIRC he said he wanted to play Serral though. drunking stats ruining everything as usual ... | ||
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On August 16 2019 20:13 seemsgood wrote: drunking stats ruining everything as usual ... It's literally impossible for Stats to ruin anything. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On August 16 2019 20:14 Elentos wrote: It's literally impossible for Stats to ruin anything. ![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/426050499087695873.png?v=1) | ||
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Penev
28491 Posts
On August 16 2019 20:14 Elentos wrote: It's literally impossible for Stats to ruin anything. he ruined his chin | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Betrayal! Let's make this thing interesting, Serral will hop into the game thinking he's playing HeroMarine, but then his opponent rip out his skin mask, remove his stilts and his fake arm muscles and reveal Maru!!!! Then he's gonna botch a 3 rax and leave | ||
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Elentos
55555 Posts
So the interesting thing is who the Koreans from Team Dark will play. Will they go for the win or for the entertainment of the fans? Do we get another Dark vs Elazer? Will it be Stats vs Serral? | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On August 16 2019 20:13 seemsgood wrote: drunking stats ruining everything as usual ... dont shift the blame, it's clearly yet another case of Serral cowardly dodging Maru. Dunno how long he can keep this up | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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Elentos
55555 Posts
On August 16 2019 20:54 Shuffleblade wrote: Interesting every korean protoss advanced, could be having all three in the semifinals too People always going on about Korean Terrans but in reality it's the Protosses you have to fear | ||
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On August 16 2019 21:10 geokilla wrote: 11/8 on my bets... Why do I still try? Because its fun, I can't help voting with my heart anyway so I'm always toast XD | ||
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
On August 16 2019 20:03 Waxangel wrote: How does anyone hate on proxy tempest? it's fucking hilarious XD Play vs it on ladder a few times and you will understand T_T Cyclones are not the answer. You keep making marines and 1 cyclone at a time but you to have 2 starports with reactors so you can one shot the tempest when they try to come too deep. You keep your production far back as well so he needs to come deep away from batteries to do damage. | ||
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15995 Posts
prove he fears Maru | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15995 Posts
On August 16 2019 21:32 Za7oX wrote: Play vs it on ladder a few times and you will understand T_T Cyclones are not the answer. You keep making marines and 1 cyclone at a time but you to have 2 starports with reactors so you can one shot the tempest when they try to come too deep. You keep your production far back as well so he needs to come deep away from batteries to do damage. the main problem seemed to be that he scouted it too late. He only saw it when there were already 2 tempests out. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Or that he hates the Serral-Maru rivalry storyline since it's ficticious; he knows his real rival is Stats, at the moment. | ||
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Gina
241 Posts
Edit: oh, you were talking about the team match, never mind. | ||
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skdsk
138 Posts
So this buff terran and nerf to zerg, might screw up balance in tvz (make terrans timings attacks hit to fast, yet also scale just as good big aoe ghost), yet not even have much impact in tvp. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
Just joking. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 16 2019 23:03 skdsk wrote: Is protoss still to op? 5 protoss, 4 advanced (1protoss died in pvp), i honestly havent seen anything spectacular from these protoss players, they just seem to win versus terrans pretty easily without much of an issue. We know there gonna be buff to stim and emp, but that seems more of a buff in tvz, which isnt really needed change, while tvp, is very much protoss favored. So this buff terran and nerf to zerg, might screw up balance in tvz, yet not even have much impact in tvp. Protoss definitely is not op:one advanced from PvP, Maru playing subpar was the problem; didn't you see the new patch notes? Warp Prism and recall are getting nerfed soon. | ||
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NotSoHappy
445 Posts
stats advanced over maru, because maru didn't care trap advanced over heromarine, i dont even need to comment this classic advancing over fantasy I just can't comprehend how anyone that watched these series can easily say "protoss op" because this or that Stats won because he made less mistakes than Maru AND ACTUALLY CAME FUCKING PREPARED. Trap won because he made less mistakes than Heromarine Classic won because he made less mistakes than Fantasy | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15995 Posts
On August 16 2019 23:36 DieuCure wrote: Yes, we can just conclude that the protoss players as a whole make fewer mistakes than terran players for over a year, seems legit. and when Maru loses it's because he didn't care | ||
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skdsk
138 Posts
On August 16 2019 23:27 NotSoHappy wrote: lol @ everyone saying protoss op, when stats advanced over maru, because maru didn't care trap advanced over heromarine, i dont even need to comment this classic advancing over fantasy I just can't comprehend how anyone that watched these series can easily say "protoss op" because this or that Stats won because he made less mistakes than Maru AND ACTUALLY CAME FUCKING PREPARED. Trap won because he made less mistakes than Heromarine Classic won because he made less mistakes than Fantasy Well protoss is very forgiving in tvp, right now, terran cant be greedy or die to some obscure protoss 2base allin, basically terran is forced to go 1-1-1 into 3-1-1 every game, this have been already talked about to death, even blizz them self talked about it, none of changes to protoss or terran really adresses this issue (stim to buff will effect tvz far more), im not gonna whine about it, but these pvt's looked like master vs diamond, were master players "macros up" and goes to kill the diamond player with a push simply because he has more stuff. This obvs doesnt really effect lower level play since, each player does 100mistakes each game, but at highest level of play Maru(best terran in world)/HM(best eu terran)/Fantasy(bw champion/gsl code s top16) are all fantastic players, yet you claim they are bad? and look like diamond player vs master. Yet these same players simply doesnt have same issues they have in tvp in tvz. Maru destroyes best zergs and while HM isnt as dominant he always does decently vs Serral, even taking some series from him. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On August 16 2019 23:49 Charoisaur wrote: and when Maru loses it's because he didn't care It's funny because there are times where I think this has been kinda true, but I don't think this is one of them. I have no opinion about whether or not protoss is OP atm, and I also feel that Classic legit played better than Fantasy, but I will say that those kinds of adept strats and tempest+forward shield battery strats often just feel bad to watch. As a spectator, my feeling is, "This is so fucking stupid." | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
On August 17 2019 00:08 Shellshock wrote: cant believe Serral dropped a map to TY. seriously slumping wait then for tomorrow when he gets rekt by Trap | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2652 Posts
On August 16 2019 23:27 NotSoHappy wrote: lol @ everyone saying protoss op, when stats advanced over maru, because maru didn't care trap advanced over heromarine, i dont even need to comment this classic advancing over fantasy I just can't comprehend how anyone that watched these series can easily say "protoss op" because this or that Stats won because he made less mistakes than Maru AND ACTUALLY CAME FUCKING PREPARED. Trap won because he made less mistakes than Heromarine Classic won because he made less mistakes than Fantasy I mean you could say that of 1 tournament. Maybeeee even 2. But this year 4, fucking 4 premier tournaments have been protoss fests (GSL super tournament, Code S season 2, IEM Katowice, ok maybe this less protoss fest than others, and now GSL vs the world) surely even the most adamant protoss whiners have to admit SOMETHING its not right. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On August 16 2019 23:49 Charoisaur wrote: and when Maru loses it's because he didn't care Had an off day or whatever. The difference between him destroying Dear and Trap in GSL and how he played on the same patch yesterday vs Stats is night and day. I don’t think it’s fair to say he didn’t care though, could be any number of reasons there. At Super Tournament against the same opponent yeah he ultimately lost but it was one of the series of the year and Maru had obviously prepped damn hard for it. Just a disappointing series from a relatively neutral perspective here, argh. | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On August 17 2019 00:39 Wombat_NI wrote: Had an off day or whatever. The difference between him destroying Dear and Trap in GSL and how he played on the same patch yesterday vs Stats is night and day. I don’t think it’s fair to say he didn’t care though, could be any number of reasons there. At Super Tournament against the same opponent yeah he ultimately lost but it was one of the series of the year and Maru had obviously prepped damn hard for it. Just a disappointing series from a relatively neutral perspective here, argh. There's a chance Maru might actually have been a little nervous about facing Stats. I mean he's knocked Maru out of two other events in the past year and he may have felt after Super Tournament that he'd brought his best against Stats and still lost. That combined with his seeming inability to perform at a weekender and that's potentially a pretty big monkey on his back. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
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Poopi
France12904 Posts
On August 17 2019 00:34 Lexender wrote: I mean you could say that of 1 tournament. Maybeeee even 2. But this year 4, fucking 4 premier tournaments have been protoss fests (GSL super tournament, Code S season 2, IEM Katowice, ok maybe this less protoss fest than others, and now GSL vs the world) surely even the most adamant protoss whiners have to admit SOMETHING its not right. Protoss pros acknowledge it on Twitter but it’s still kinda sad to see. I was banned 3 months after making the issue public on a TL thread and even after so much time the situation hasn’t been addressed. At least Blizzard try something with the new patch, we’ll see how manageable the situation becomes. Special winning today was very cool, Reynor will probably progress and peak at 20-21yo like Serral / HeRoMaRinE. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On August 17 2019 02:44 Poopi wrote: Protoss pros acknowledge it on Twitter but it’s still kinda sad to see. I was banned 3 months after making the issue public on a TL thread and even after so much time the situation hasn’t been addressed. At least Blizzard try something with the new patch, we’ll see how manageable the situation becomes. Special winning today was very cool, Reynor will probably progress and peak at 20-21yo like Serral / HeRoMaRinE. How manageable do you want it to be for this specific tournament? Between the seeds, form and the votes Protoss have ended up with their contingent, they’ve ended up with both the 3 best Protoss players this year, who also happen to currently be in form as well. soO is really struggling for form, Rogue and Solar’s upward trajectory of late probably came too late for a big vote push to get them in. Maru and TY got rough draws, although the former didn’t really look in top shape, Fantasy played well bar some mistakes but Classic is a tier above at present. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
Blizzcon 3/4 then. | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
GSL Trap interview GSL reynor cheer GSL trap god cheer GSL Audience / you just activated my trap card GSL Special interview GSL Audience juanito use the power of flavor crystals GSL cheer fantasy will dominate GSL vs the world cheer sign GSL Audience GSL Classic interview | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On another note, Maru played like he didn't give a fuck. Those games were abysmal compared to his matches from Code S or the first super tournament | ||
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skdsk
138 Posts
On August 17 2019 03:32 Fango wrote: I agree that protoss playes have just been better for the past couple years. Nothing to do with protoss having a million more options and being much more forgiving, or simply requiring less effort to win with. On another note, Maru played like he didn't give a fuck. Those games were abysmal compared to his matches from Code S or the first super tournament It all comes down to the fact terran needs 1-1-1 to be able to deal with varity of toss openings, which means terran doesnt really have the power to "end" the game other that have some harrasing options, which in turn lets protoss get almost zerg timing expo. All the problem begins by the fact terran bio needs stim and medivacs to be able to move around on map. Faster stim might enable more map control for terran player, but you still need medivacs. Protoss can stay on gateway tech simply because, there units heal up themselfs. I dont know what else can be changed, but maybe this change is in the right direction, tho i still feel it will negatively effect tvz and we will see bunch of disgusting mm(with stim)hellbats timings. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 16 2019 14:24 JJH777 wrote: It's crazy that the two GSL champs and the IEM Katowice champ are out of this tournament already. SC2 returning to it's usual super volatile self. If Reynor and Serral get eliminated today which isn't unlikely then Stats will be the only player to make top 8 who has won a tournament this year. Neeb | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4954 Posts
we call championships to whatever nowadays | ||
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
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NotSoHappy
445 Posts
It was 2 years since toss won a gsl. Toss won some smaller tournaments only in that time. Not on the biggest stages during the year and you still whine. Thats pathetic. Get in your damn skulls: if we saw one build in recent time used and overused, one strategy thats OP, you would get your damn balance patch long ago, but we aren't so as a race with MOST premier wins I suggest you stop whinning and learn to play. If you REALLY want to complain about protoss Id sugest you ask blizzard for protoss remake from scratch. Thats right, remove the moronic band aids blizz introduced over the years, remake it from scratch and balance it again, so it doesn't feel bad when you play it or play against it. Buuut thats too late isnt it? You had your time to complain to blizzard about stuff that matters and you spent years crying for nerfs and the nerfs seems like they came around to bite you in the ass, because its really hard to "nerf' protoss now and make it playable. The only thing you made was showing us all how much of little hipocritical whinners you are. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17683 Posts
On August 17 2019 00:39 Wombat_NI wrote: Had an off day or whatever. The difference between him destroying Dear and Trap in GSL and how he played on the same patch yesterday vs Stats is night and day. I don’t think it’s fair to say he didn’t care though, could be any number of reasons there. At Super Tournament against the same opponent yeah he ultimately lost but it was one of the series of the year and Maru had obviously prepped damn hard for it. Just a disappointing series from a relatively neutral perspective here, argh. I wonder if Maru is already preparing on the new balance patch that will come out before his GSL ro16 group (which includes Stats) | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 17 2019 04:54 Argonauta wrote: we call championships to whatever nowadays no I meant Neeb won something this year | ||
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Topin
Peru10085 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
probably the best tournament i've ever watched eu zergs be off the chain i'm now a huge elazer fanboy serral is a god korea is ok at starcraft | ||
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