On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote: Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain
Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing.
You wouldn't be waving this "superior player" nonsense if Stats beat a top korean Zerg 3-2 in a close series, I don't remember Classic being called superior when he barely edged out Dark 4-3 in season 2.
Why so butthurt? If Classic would win against Dark in similar fashion no one would have a problem admitting he looked to be superior player in the series lol. But guess against Serral you have to win 3 or 4 zero only to look better, he has different criteria then everyone else right?
On August 04 2019 02:45 Kommander wrote: Serral spent WAYYYY too much time on Lair tech and Roach/Ravager. Got too bloodthirsty and tried to kill Stats who was on a solid 3-base economy. As usual, Stats defended brilliantly while harassing Serral's economy, and that's what allowed him to outpace Serral on econ and tech and just kill him outright.
He didn't spend way too much time, that's just the way that build works. It's basically a fancy all in, you can question the choice of build but he really didn't do a lot wrong in terms of execution, it is a bloodthirsty build and there's no way to naturally transition if you don't do critical damage. Stats just played it too well, like he played insanely well.
Yeah if he knew about carriers he'd have been fine. He lost to Gumiho in IEM also because of unscouted late game battlecruisers
He had no response to carriers either way. Stats could transition into them because of how well he defended the Swarmhosts, while serral had no real way of transitioning.
IMO if he had corruptors ready, Serral would've had a good chance cause his game plan was to snipe the upper left base while distracting at the natural, which would keep him in the game. But he had no response to carriers sniping his lower bases and he couldn't afford that
He didn't really have a window to go for corruptors earlier. He took enough damage from the harass that he had to keep Stats pinned back with the roach/ravager/swarmhosts (and he did a good job at that), which made transitioning really difficult. He could have tried, but that would mean risking just dying from Stats pushing across the map. Maybe that would have been better, but it's a very difficult call in-game.
I don't think Stats could've stopped a Spire switch cause he didn't really have the initiative. His position was such that posturing around the edges of the creep was the best he could do in terms of being offensive. The unscouted carriers allowed him to get a tempo lead and deny Serral. If the carriers were scouted Serral could've sacrificed his tempo advantage for tech IMO, but alas
That was a really nice game to see on my first day of watching some Sc2 again after a 7 year hiatus. Though I'm a bit disappointed by the state of Z. So many things seem improved compared to wol/early hots (mine out earlier on bases, larger maps, fewer watchtowers, some really cool new units - feels like blizzard finally took all those things we were going on about for years to heart), but Z just doesn't seem to have gotten anything new that's actually fun. I have yet to see a lurker, swarmhosts and infestors are still swarmhosts and infestors, and ravagers just feel, well, bland and dull.
On August 04 2019 02:59 Morbidius wrote: Yeah of course Solar isn't supposed to beat Stats here, otherwise the ''Serral is the best player in the world'' narrative goes down the toilet.
Serral loosing in no way proves that he is or is not the best player in the world. Nobody can win every tournament. Please stop taking shots at Serral and anyone who supports him all the time. Serral is great, Stats is great and Maru is the best.
On August 04 2019 02:59 Morbidius wrote: Yeah of course Solar isn't supposed to beat Stats here, otherwise the ''Serral is the best player in the world'' narrative goes down the toilet.
Serral loosing in no way proves that he is or is not the best player in the world. Nobody can win every tournament. Please stop taking shots at Serral and anyone who supports him all the time. Serral is great, Stats is great and NesTea is the best.
Its not like we need Stats dumpstering Serral to prove anything, Reynor already does that well enough.
Just out of curiosity: what did Reynor beating Serral prove?
On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote: Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain
Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing.
You wouldn't be waving this "superior player" nonsense if Stats beat a top korean Zerg 3-2 in a close series, I don't remember Classic being called superior when he barely edged out Dark 4-3 in season 2.
Why so butthurt? If Classic would win against Dark in similar fashion no one would have a problem admitting he looked to be superior player in the series lol. But guess against Serral you have to win 3 or 4 zero only to look better, he has different criteria then everyone else right?
Do you remember yourself claiming that Innovation utterly destroyed Serral after his 4-3 victory? Well...
On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote: Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain
Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing.
You wouldn't be waving this "superior player" nonsense if Stats beat a top korean Zerg 3-2 in a close series, I don't remember Classic being called superior when he barely edged out Dark 4-3 in season 2.
Let them have their fun.
No fun allowed, Starcraft is serious business.
One thing that really annoys me about interviews is just generic boring questions, I feel the scene really misses out on having proper questions about the games themselves and the thought processes and strategies.
For example I’m really curious if Stats was planning a carrier transition and consolidating his defensive spot and transition, or if he was trying to do a surprise base snipe with a small number of carriers, or if he was thinking of making the tech transition but spotted something that lead to him on the fly deciding to send those 3 carriers out.
We never get knowledgable pro/high level players asking winners about the games themselves and I think that would be a great addition to productions.
On August 04 2019 02:45 Kommander wrote: Serral spent WAYYYY too much time on Lair tech and Roach/Ravager. Got too bloodthirsty and tried to kill Stats who was on a solid 3-base economy. As usual, Stats defended brilliantly while harassing Serral's economy, and that's what allowed him to outpace Serral on econ and tech and just kill him outright.
He didn't spend way too much time, that's just the way that build works. It's basically a fancy all in, you can question the choice of build but he really didn't do a lot wrong in terms of execution, it is a bloodthirsty build and there's no way to naturally transition if you don't do critical damage. Stats just played it too well, like he played insanely well.
Yeah if he knew about carriers he'd have been fine. He lost to Gumiho in IEM also because of unscouted late game battlecruisers
He had no response to carriers either way. Stats could transition into them because of how well he defended the Swarmhosts, while serral had no real way of transitioning.
IMO if he had corruptors ready, Serral would've had a good chance cause his game plan was to snipe the upper left base while distracting at the natural, which would keep him in the game. But he had no response to carriers sniping his lower bases and he couldn't afford that
He didn't really have a window to go for corruptors earlier. He took enough damage from the harass that he had to keep Stats pinned back with the roach/ravager/swarmhosts (and he did a good job at that), which made transitioning really difficult. He could have tried, but that would mean risking just dying from Stats pushing across the map. Maybe that would have been better, but it's a very difficult call in-game.
I don't think Stats could've stopped a Spire switch cause he didn't really have the initiative. His position was such that posturing around the edges of the creep was the best he could do in terms of being offensive. The unscouted carriers allowed him to get a tempo lead and deny Serral. If the carriers were scouted Serral could've sacrificed his tempo advantage for tech IMO, but alas
How are you supposed to support a spire switch while keeping enough of a ground force to combat Stats' immortal archon templar ball on 60 drones?
Genuine question, like I said, I haven't watched Sc2 in 7 years, but I have trouble understanding how you're supposed to transition from a build like that.
On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote: Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain
Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing.
You wouldn't be waving this "superior player" nonsense if Stats beat a top korean Zerg 3-2 in a close series, I don't remember Classic being called superior when he barely edged out Dark 4-3 in season 2.
Let them have their fun.
No fun allowed, Starcraft is serious business.
One thing that really annoys me about interviews is just generic boring questions, I feel the scene really misses out on having proper questions about the games themselves and the thought processes and strategies.
For example I’m really curious if Stats was planning a carrier transition and consolidating his defensive spot and transition, or if he was trying to do a surprise base snipe with a small number of carriers, or if he was thinking of making the tech transition but spotted something that lead to him on the fly deciding to send those 3 carriers out.
We never get knowledgable pro/high level players asking winners about the games themselves and I think that would be a great addition to productions.
If we had Drogo asking all the interview questions the schedule would get ruined, but it would be worth it.
On August 04 2019 02:45 Kommander wrote: Serral spent WAYYYY too much time on Lair tech and Roach/Ravager. Got too bloodthirsty and tried to kill Stats who was on a solid 3-base economy. As usual, Stats defended brilliantly while harassing Serral's economy, and that's what allowed him to outpace Serral on econ and tech and just kill him outright.
He didn't spend way too much time, that's just the way that build works. It's basically a fancy all in, you can question the choice of build but he really didn't do a lot wrong in terms of execution, it is a bloodthirsty build and there's no way to naturally transition if you don't do critical damage. Stats just played it too well, like he played insanely well.
Yeah if he knew about carriers he'd have been fine. He lost to Gumiho in IEM also because of unscouted late game battlecruisers
He had no response to carriers either way. Stats could transition into them because of how well he defended the Swarmhosts, while serral had no real way of transitioning.
IMO if he had corruptors ready, Serral would've had a good chance cause his game plan was to snipe the upper left base while distracting at the natural, which would keep him in the game. But he had no response to carriers sniping his lower bases and he couldn't afford that
He didn't really have a window to go for corruptors earlier. He took enough damage from the harass that he had to keep Stats pinned back with the roach/ravager/swarmhosts (and he did a good job at that), which made transitioning really difficult. He could have tried, but that would mean risking just dying from Stats pushing across the map. Maybe that would have been better, but it's a very difficult call in-game.
I don't think Stats could've stopped a Spire switch cause he didn't really have the initiative. His position was such that posturing around the edges of the creep was the best he could do in terms of being offensive. The unscouted carriers allowed him to get a tempo lead and deny Serral. If the carriers were scouted Serral could've sacrificed his tempo advantage for tech IMO, but alas
How are you supposed to support a spire switch while keeping enough of a ground force to combat Stats' immortal archon templar ball on 60 drones?
Genuine question, like I said, I haven't watched Sc2 in 7 years, but I have trouble understanding how you're supposed to transition from a build like that.
You don't. Like bloohblooh said, it's a very long all-in.
On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote: Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain
Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing.
You wouldn't be waving this "superior player" nonsense if Stats beat a top korean Zerg 3-2 in a close series, I don't remember Classic being called superior when he barely edged out Dark 4-3 in season 2.
Why so butthurt? If Classic would win against Dark in similar fashion no one would have a problem admitting he looked to be superior player in the series lol. But guess against Serral you have to win 3 or 4 zero only to look better, he has different criteria then everyone else right?
Do you remember yourself claiming that Innovation utterly destroyed Serral after his 4-3 victory? Well...
Isn't it quite obvious I was trolling there? 1. It was a close series, Stats looked like a superior player so glad he won. Gg to both 2. Serral got completely crushed/dumpstered/destroyed etc.
Do you really not see the difference?
Anyway pointless discussion at this point. You are just too big of a fanboy to be at least slightly objective when it comes to Serral
On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote: Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain
Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing.
You wouldn't be waving this "superior player" nonsense if Stats beat a top korean Zerg 3-2 in a close series, I don't remember Classic being called superior when he barely edged out Dark 4-3 in season 2.
Let them have their fun.
No fun allowed, Starcraft is serious business.
One thing that really annoys me about interviews is just generic boring questions, I feel the scene really misses out on having proper questions about the games themselves and the thought processes and strategies.
For example I’m really curious if Stats was planning a carrier transition and consolidating his defensive spot and transition, or if he was trying to do a surprise base snipe with a small number of carriers, or if he was thinking of making the tech transition but spotted something that lead to him on the fly deciding to send those 3 carriers out.
We never get knowledgable pro/high level players asking winners about the games themselves and I think that would be a great addition to productions.
If we had Drogo asking all the interview questions the schedule would get ruined, but it would be worth it.
Absolutely.
I think it would be fascinating though, especially with the Koreans. We have foreign shows and whatnot where players get to talk about their thoughts on the game but we don’t really get as much of that with the Koreans.
On the other hand we wouldn’t get Smix etc doing the interviews, but you win some you lose some.
On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote: Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain
Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing.
You wouldn't be waving this "superior player" nonsense if Stats beat a top korean Zerg 3-2 in a close series, I don't remember Classic being called superior when he barely edged out Dark 4-3 in season 2.
Why so butthurt? If Classic would win against Dark in similar fashion no one would have a problem admitting he looked to be superior player in the series lol. But guess against Serral you have to win 3 or 4 zero only to look better, he has different criteria then everyone else right?
Do you remember yourself claiming that Innovation utterly destroyed Serral after his 4-3 victory? Well...
Isn't it quite obvious I was trolling there? 1. It was a close series, Stats looked like a superior player so glad he won. Gg to both 2. Serral got completely crushed/dumpstered/destroyed etc.
Do you really not see the difference?
Anyway pointless discussion at this point. You are just too big of a fanboy to be at least slightly objective when it comes to Serral
It didn't really seem like back in the days, I assure you. Just as Wombat said, I do not agree on your wording which to my understanding implies you think that Stats is just the better player. We can agree that Stats winning was a fair outcome.
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