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Northern Ireland25583 Posts
On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote:
Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
I mean nobody really ever has been, he’s just regressing back to the mean or what is typical of a top tier player
It just gets a bit annoying it’s either ‘Serral is the best ’, with people just waiting til he loses to say he’s overhyped or whatever sweeping conclusion people decide to make.
Jesus can’t we just watch a game between two guys playing well who are clearly at the top table of the playerbase and not do that sometimes?
It’s such a great clash of styles too, the defensive master against one of the most active counter-attackers and multipronged attackers in the game, good stuff.
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Yeah of course Solar isn't supposed to beat Stats here, otherwise the ''Serral is the best player in the world'' narrative goes down the toilet.
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On August 04 2019 02:57 MarianoSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote:
Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain 
No, I won't because it didn't really seem to me Stats was superior, he played slightly better and won; I had the impression Solar was superior to Zest in their series.
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On August 04 2019 02:59 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:56 Xain0n wrote:On August 04 2019 02:53 Need wrote:On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote:
Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Solar has been showing monster ZvP I wouldn't be surprised if he crushes Stats I am not saying it's impossible, I am saying I would be even more disappointed than I am now if Stats were not to win the tournament after eliminating Serral. I'd be happy for Solar instead, the guy hasn't been winning much lately.
yea im fine with stats or solar winning
stats is my favorite protoss player, but wouldnt mind if solar gets some bread.
both are great personalities in the pro scene too
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On August 04 2019 02:54 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:51 Need wrote:On August 04 2019 02:50 blooblooblahblah wrote:On August 04 2019 02:45 Kommander wrote:
Serral spent WAYYYY too much time on Lair tech and Roach/Ravager. Got too bloodthirsty and tried to kill Stats who was on a solid 3-base economy. As usual, Stats defended brilliantly while harassing Serral's economy, and that's what allowed him to outpace Serral on econ and tech and just kill him outright. He didn't spend way too much time, that's just the way that build works. It's basically a fancy all in, you can question the choice of build but he really didn't do a lot wrong in terms of execution, it is a bloodthirsty build and there's no way to naturally transition if you don't do critical damage. Stats just played it too well, like he played insanely well. Yeah if he knew about carriers he'd have been fine. He lost to Gumiho in IEM also because of unscouted late game battlecruisers He had no response to carriers either way. Stats could transition into them because of how well he defended the Swarmhosts, while serral had no real way of transitioning.
Yeah, it was a genius move by Stats regardless of whether it got scouted or not. Weirdly enough, I think Serral started playing really well right when Stats started making the carriers, but he was too behind from some failed locusts waves before that. But yeah, transitioning out of this comp is so hard, you always have crap economy with this build and it's okay because free units, but you don't exactly build up a nice amount of bank and tech in the meantime.
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On August 04 2019 02:57 MarianoSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote:
Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain
Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing.
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On August 04 2019 02:54 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:51 Need wrote:On August 04 2019 02:50 blooblooblahblah wrote:On August 04 2019 02:45 Kommander wrote:
Serral spent WAYYYY too much time on Lair tech and Roach/Ravager. Got too bloodthirsty and tried to kill Stats who was on a solid 3-base economy. As usual, Stats defended brilliantly while harassing Serral's economy, and that's what allowed him to outpace Serral on econ and tech and just kill him outright. He didn't spend way too much time, that's just the way that build works. It's basically a fancy all in, you can question the choice of build but he really didn't do a lot wrong in terms of execution, it is a bloodthirsty build and there's no way to naturally transition if you don't do critical damage. Stats just played it too well, like he played insanely well. Yeah if he knew about carriers he'd have been fine. He lost to Gumiho in IEM also because of unscouted late game battlecruisers He had no response to carriers either way. Stats could transition into them because of how well he defended the Swarmhosts, while serral had no real way of transitioning.
IMO if he had corruptors ready, Serral would've had a good chance cause his game plan was to snipe the upper left base while distracting at the natural, which would keep him in the game. But he had no response to carriers sniping his lower bases and he couldn't afford that
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Yeah I think Serral needs to be a bit more on top of late game scouting. Especially with the swarm host style
I also think he was a bit too sloppy running roach ravager into Protoss balls and taking a handful of storms and immortal shots while trading for like a couple units. That being said I think the amount of immediate undodgeable damage that storm does needs to be looked at. And before I get jumped on, yes infestors too
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On August 04 2019 03:00 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:57 MarianoSC2 wrote:On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote:
Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain No, I won't because it didn't really seem to me Stats was superior, he played slightly better and won; I had the impression Solar was superior to Zest in their series.
He played slightly better and won, isn't that exactly what he's saying?
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On August 04 2019 02:59 Morbidius wrote:
Yeah of course Solar isn't supposed to beat Stats here, otherwise the ''Serral is the best player in the world'' narrative goes down the toilet.
Serral loosing in no way proves that he is or is not the best player in the world. Nobody can win every tournament. Please stop taking shots at Serral and anyone who supports him all the time. Serral is great, Stats is great and NesTea is the best.
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On August 04 2019 03:01 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:54 DBooN wrote:On August 04 2019 02:51 Need wrote:On August 04 2019 02:50 blooblooblahblah wrote:On August 04 2019 02:45 Kommander wrote:
Serral spent WAYYYY too much time on Lair tech and Roach/Ravager. Got too bloodthirsty and tried to kill Stats who was on a solid 3-base economy. As usual, Stats defended brilliantly while harassing Serral's economy, and that's what allowed him to outpace Serral on econ and tech and just kill him outright. He didn't spend way too much time, that's just the way that build works. It's basically a fancy all in, you can question the choice of build but he really didn't do a lot wrong in terms of execution, it is a bloodthirsty build and there's no way to naturally transition if you don't do critical damage. Stats just played it too well, like he played insanely well. Yeah if he knew about carriers he'd have been fine. He lost to Gumiho in IEM also because of unscouted late game battlecruisers He had no response to carriers either way. Stats could transition into them because of how well he defended the Swarmhosts, while serral had no real way of transitioning. IMO if he had corruptors ready, Serral would've had a good chance cause his game plan was to snipe the upper left base while distracting at the natural, which would keep him in the game. But he had no response to carriers sniping his lower bases and he couldn't afford that
serral wouldnt be able to just have corruptors ready since he was barely fending off stats' ground army
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On August 04 2019 03:03 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 03:01 Need wrote:On August 04 2019 02:54 DBooN wrote:On August 04 2019 02:51 Need wrote:On August 04 2019 02:50 blooblooblahblah wrote:On August 04 2019 02:45 Kommander wrote:
Serral spent WAYYYY too much time on Lair tech and Roach/Ravager. Got too bloodthirsty and tried to kill Stats who was on a solid 3-base economy. As usual, Stats defended brilliantly while harassing Serral's economy, and that's what allowed him to outpace Serral on econ and tech and just kill him outright. He didn't spend way too much time, that's just the way that build works. It's basically a fancy all in, you can question the choice of build but he really didn't do a lot wrong in terms of execution, it is a bloodthirsty build and there's no way to naturally transition if you don't do critical damage. Stats just played it too well, like he played insanely well. Yeah if he knew about carriers he'd have been fine. He lost to Gumiho in IEM also because of unscouted late game battlecruisers He had no response to carriers either way. Stats could transition into them because of how well he defended the Swarmhosts, while serral had no real way of transitioning. IMO if he had corruptors ready, Serral would've had a good chance cause his game plan was to snipe the upper left base while distracting at the natural, which would keep him in the game. But he had no response to carriers sniping his lower bases and he couldn't afford that serral wouldnt be able to just have corruptors ready since he was barely fending off stats' ground army
Even having spire ready would've been fine, but he only started spire once carriers were in his base
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On August 04 2019 03:01 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:54 DBooN wrote:On August 04 2019 02:51 Need wrote:On August 04 2019 02:50 blooblooblahblah wrote:On August 04 2019 02:45 Kommander wrote:
Serral spent WAYYYY too much time on Lair tech and Roach/Ravager. Got too bloodthirsty and tried to kill Stats who was on a solid 3-base economy. As usual, Stats defended brilliantly while harassing Serral's economy, and that's what allowed him to outpace Serral on econ and tech and just kill him outright. He didn't spend way too much time, that's just the way that build works. It's basically a fancy all in, you can question the choice of build but he really didn't do a lot wrong in terms of execution, it is a bloodthirsty build and there's no way to naturally transition if you don't do critical damage. Stats just played it too well, like he played insanely well. Yeah if he knew about carriers he'd have been fine. He lost to Gumiho in IEM also because of unscouted late game battlecruisers He had no response to carriers either way. Stats could transition into them because of how well he defended the Swarmhosts, while serral had no real way of transitioning. IMO if he had corruptors ready, Serral would've had a good chance cause his game plan was to snipe the upper left base while distracting at the natural, which would keep him in the game. But he had no response to carriers sniping his lower bases and he couldn't afford that
He didn't really have a window to go for corruptors earlier. He took enough damage from the harass that he had to keep Stats pinned back with the roach/ravager/swarmhosts (and he did a good job at that), which made transitioning really difficult. He could have tried, but that would mean risking just dying from Stats pushing across the map. Maybe that would have been better, but it's a very difficult call in-game.
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On August 04 2019 03:03 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:59 Morbidius wrote:
Yeah of course Solar isn't supposed to beat Stats here, otherwise the ''Serral is the best player in the world'' narrative goes down the toilet. Serral loosing in no way proves that he is or is not the best player in the world. Nobody can win every tournament. Please stop taking shots at Serral and anyone who supports him all the time. Serral is great, Stats is great and NesTea is the best.
Its not like we need Stats dumpstering Serral to prove anything, Reynor already does that well enough.
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On August 04 2019 03:01 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:57 MarianoSC2 wrote:On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote:
Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing.
You wouldn't be waving this "superior player" nonsense if Stats beat a top korean Zerg 3-2 in a close series, I don't remember Classic being called superior when he barely edged out Dark 4-3 in Code S season 2 earlier this year.
You guys eagerly wait for Serral to lose to restore your idea of korean supremacy, forgetting no top player ever was winning every tournament(actually, nobody before Serral last year did since May); you will never deal with the fact Serral won BlizzCon and are overzealous in bashing Serral every time he loses, no other top player is welcomed with such negative feedback on this forum.
This time it was actually mild, but take a look at what happened after WESG.
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Luolis stop hiding at the backstage :D
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On August 04 2019 03:01 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 02:54 DBooN wrote:On August 04 2019 02:51 Need wrote:On August 04 2019 02:50 blooblooblahblah wrote:On August 04 2019 02:45 Kommander wrote:
Serral spent WAYYYY too much time on Lair tech and Roach/Ravager. Got too bloodthirsty and tried to kill Stats who was on a solid 3-base economy. As usual, Stats defended brilliantly while harassing Serral's economy, and that's what allowed him to outpace Serral on econ and tech and just kill him outright. He didn't spend way too much time, that's just the way that build works. It's basically a fancy all in, you can question the choice of build but he really didn't do a lot wrong in terms of execution, it is a bloodthirsty build and there's no way to naturally transition if you don't do critical damage. Stats just played it too well, like he played insanely well. Yeah if he knew about carriers he'd have been fine. He lost to Gumiho in IEM also because of unscouted late game battlecruisers He had no response to carriers either way. Stats could transition into them because of how well he defended the Swarmhosts, while serral had no real way of transitioning. IMO if he had corruptors ready, Serral would've had a good chance cause his game plan was to snipe the upper left base while distracting at the natural, which would keep him in the game. But he had no response to carriers sniping his lower bases and he couldn't afford that
Obviously, scouting it would've been better than not scouting it but Serral was in a rough position that whole game anyway, and was just doing his best to make it as scrappy as possible. I imagine if Serral did scout it, Stats would've just not killed that loser base and done the same timing and killed Serral with a much better army. RR/SH is essentially an all in, and it didn't get critical damage until it was too late. Serral would've needed a miracle to win that one, and he's pretty good at pulling those off, but it's fair to say he was pretty far behind for most of that game.
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On August 04 2019 03:06 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 03:01 Fango wrote:On August 04 2019 02:57 MarianoSC2 wrote:On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote:
Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain Yeah I don't see how anyone can watch that series and try to say Stats wasn't the superior player. Even the games Serral won weren't that impressive, one was a dumb ling rush that won because Stats hadn't walled off yet, and the other had zerg reach 30 infestors almost uncontested, which is a scenario they have no business losing. You wouldn't be waving this "superior player" nonsense if Stats beat a top korean Zerg 3-2 in a close series, I don't remember Classic being called superior when he barely edged out Dark 4-3 in season 2.
Let them have their fun.
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On August 04 2019 03:07 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Luolis stop hiding at the backstage :D
Im beside the stage now :D
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Northern Ireland25583 Posts
On August 04 2019 03:01 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2019 03:00 Xain0n wrote:On August 04 2019 02:57 MarianoSC2 wrote:On August 04 2019 02:52 Xain0n wrote:
Serral in 2019 really isn't as clutch as he used to be; Stats played very well and deserved, those stupid teasing comments are so needless; is Stats a superior player overall? I highly doubt it.
I don't mind Stats winning the tournament for Aiur, I would be disappointed if he ended up losing to Solar after what he showed against Serral.
Comeon is it that hard for you to admit Stats looked superior in this series? Its not like he landslided him, it was a close series but Stats just looked better, I think everyone saw that. And who is overall better that is quite pointless to discuss they are both so insanely good , right at the top of the food-chain No, I won't because it didn't really seem to me Stats was superior, he played slightly better and won; I had the impression Solar was superior to Zest in their series. He played slightly better and won, isn't that exactly what he's saying?
There are ways of saying it, ofc I give allowances to non-natives here!
It’s common we say ‘the best player/team won on the day’ as a phrase, which restricts it to who played better in a particular match.
Saying ‘the superior/better player won’ of course literally means the same, but also infers the winner is better overall or a level above. You hear it a lot when the heroic underdog plays well but ultimately falls short against a more illustrious opponent.
Language is a weird thing, plus people have different cultural experiences too. For example as a big consumer of regular sportball certain stock phrases used there a lot take on some meaning to me that maybe they don’t with others
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