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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
July 14 2019 16:53 GMT
#681
Neeb doesn't really look stronger than any of the other foreigners that occasionally give Serral a hard time btw
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
July 14 2019 16:54 GMT
#682
Neeb looked so off today. He let Serral dictate the tempo of every game and his decision making was very slow and lackluster.
Was hoping for a better series...
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
July 14 2019 16:54 GMT
#683
On July 15 2019 01:53 Penev wrote:
Neeb doesn't really look stronger than any of the other foreigners that occasionally give Serral a hard time btw


I don't think this was at the level of his normal PvZs, to be honest
Year of MaxPax
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
July 14 2019 16:54 GMT
#684
On July 15 2019 01:53 Penev wrote:
Neeb doesn't really look stronger than any of the other foreigners that occasionally give Serral a hard time btw

But hte best PvZ!! And he's top3 control for sure eithr!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
July 14 2019 16:54 GMT
#685
Only one American is capable of making Neeb's PvZ look bad. He hails from the state of Finland, and you should vote for him in 2020.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
July 14 2019 16:55 GMT
#686
On July 15 2019 01:53 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 01:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:50 Fango wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:43 Athenau wrote:
Apparently the infested terran air-attack ignores upgrades, making this even more broken:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/cbn4sm/major_bug_infested_terran_antiair_ignores_armor/


Yea, 2012 was objectively broken for Zerg - personally I'm almost tempted to not count any Zerg tournament wins in 2012 and 2013, thus meaning that Sniper and Roro have never won the GSL.

It also would have meant that Life's legacy would have been severely weakened, but he went and destroyed his entire legacy himself just fine lol


I mean if you go by that logic, you also have to discount a bunch of tournaments during blink stalker era Protoss, or Hellbat drop terran, or GomTvT.

All the more the case for Maru to be the GOAT


After discounting 90% of tournaments due to balance reasons the GOAT top three goes:

1. Maru
2. Taeja
3. Fruitdealer

Why is Fruitdealer last? Ultra bug brought him down ?


Liquid Bias.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 14 2019 16:55 GMT
#687
On July 15 2019 01:53 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 01:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:50 Fango wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:43 Athenau wrote:
Apparently the infested terran air-attack ignores upgrades, making this even more broken:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/cbn4sm/major_bug_infested_terran_antiair_ignores_armor/


Yea, 2012 was objectively broken for Zerg - personally I'm almost tempted to not count any Zerg tournament wins in 2012 and 2013, thus meaning that Sniper and Roro have never won the GSL.

It also would have meant that Life's legacy would have been severely weakened, but he went and destroyed his entire legacy himself just fine lol


I mean if you go by that logic, you also have to discount a bunch of tournaments during blink stalker era Protoss, or Hellbat drop terran, or GomTvT.

All the more the case for Maru to be the GOAT


After discounting 90% of tournaments due to balance reasons the GOAT top three goes:

1. Maru
2. Taeja
3. Fruitdealer

Why is Fruitdealer last? Ultra bug brought him down ?

Nobody has won a tournament with a race as underpowered as 2010 Zerg. He should be first for sure
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 14 2019 16:55 GMT
#688
On July 15 2019 01:54 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Neeb looked so off today. He let Serral dictate the tempo of every game and his decision making was very slow and lackluster.
Was hoping for a better series...

To be fair Neeb looked off not only today, he isn't really in the best shape recently.

I'm hyped for Heromarine vs Reynor. Reynor probably really wants revenge.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 14 2019 16:56 GMT
#689
On July 15 2019 01:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 01:53 Ej_ wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:50 Fango wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:43 Athenau wrote:
Apparently the infested terran air-attack ignores upgrades, making this even more broken:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/cbn4sm/major_bug_infested_terran_antiair_ignores_armor/


Yea, 2012 was objectively broken for Zerg - personally I'm almost tempted to not count any Zerg tournament wins in 2012 and 2013, thus meaning that Sniper and Roro have never won the GSL.

It also would have meant that Life's legacy would have been severely weakened, but he went and destroyed his entire legacy himself just fine lol


I mean if you go by that logic, you also have to discount a bunch of tournaments during blink stalker era Protoss, or Hellbat drop terran, or GomTvT.

All the more the case for Maru to be the GOAT


After discounting 90% of tournaments due to balance reasons the GOAT top three goes:

1. Maru
2. Taeja
3. Fruitdealer

Why is Fruitdealer last? Ultra bug brought him down ?

Nobody has won a tournament with a race as underpowered as 2010 Zerg. He should be first for sure

Serral was a non korean at blizzcon/
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
July 14 2019 16:57 GMT
#690
On July 15 2019 01:56 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 01:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:53 Ej_ wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:50 Fango wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:43 Athenau wrote:
Apparently the infested terran air-attack ignores upgrades, making this even more broken:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/cbn4sm/major_bug_infested_terran_antiair_ignores_armor/


Yea, 2012 was objectively broken for Zerg - personally I'm almost tempted to not count any Zerg tournament wins in 2012 and 2013, thus meaning that Sniper and Roro have never won the GSL.

It also would have meant that Life's legacy would have been severely weakened, but he went and destroyed his entire legacy himself just fine lol


I mean if you go by that logic, you also have to discount a bunch of tournaments during blink stalker era Protoss, or Hellbat drop terran, or GomTvT.

All the more the case for Maru to be the GOAT


After discounting 90% of tournaments due to balance reasons the GOAT top three goes:

1. Maru
2. Taeja
3. Fruitdealer

Why is Fruitdealer last? Ultra bug brought him down ?

Nobody has won a tournament with a race as underpowered as 2010 Zerg. He should be first for sure

Serral was a non korean at blizzcon/

Yeah but playing Zerg, I dunno man.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
July 14 2019 16:57 GMT
#691
On July 15 2019 01:56 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 01:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:53 Ej_ wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:50 Fango wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:44 Bagration wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:43 Athenau wrote:
Apparently the infested terran air-attack ignores upgrades, making this even more broken:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/cbn4sm/major_bug_infested_terran_antiair_ignores_armor/


Yea, 2012 was objectively broken for Zerg - personally I'm almost tempted to not count any Zerg tournament wins in 2012 and 2013, thus meaning that Sniper and Roro have never won the GSL.

It also would have meant that Life's legacy would have been severely weakened, but he went and destroyed his entire legacy himself just fine lol


I mean if you go by that logic, you also have to discount a bunch of tournaments during blink stalker era Protoss, or Hellbat drop terran, or GomTvT.

All the more the case for Maru to be the GOAT


After discounting 90% of tournaments due to balance reasons the GOAT top three goes:

1. Maru
2. Taeja
3. Fruitdealer

Why is Fruitdealer last? Ultra bug brought him down ?

Nobody has won a tournament with a race as underpowered as 2010 Zerg. He should be first for sure

Serral was a non korean at blizzcon/

Fins are OP
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16117 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-07-14 16:59:31
July 14 2019 16:58 GMT
#692
On July 15 2019 01:51 MASTERCAKES wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 01:50 Vindicare605 wrote:
I was told this series would be competitive.

Three of the games were very good


None of the games were good don't kid yourself.

Game 1 was a ZvP clinic and Neeb didn't play well. Game 2 was an arrogant gamble from Serral that never should have worked yet almost did, Game 3 was Infestor/Broodlord and lasted about 15 minutes longer than it should have, and Game 4 was a bop.

Compared to the PvZ games from last year, these games were a boring joke. Serral is too talented to play the cookie cutter way he played this series, but I don't blame him for playing the way this stupid meta demands.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
July 14 2019 16:59 GMT
#693
please just nerf infestors to the ground, P needs no buffs, Z (well really just infestors) needs nerfs.
Faker is the GOAT!
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
July 14 2019 17:00 GMT
#694
On July 15 2019 01:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2019 01:51 MASTERCAKES wrote:
On July 15 2019 01:50 Vindicare605 wrote:
I was told this series would be competitive.

Three of the games were very good


None of the games were good don't kid yourself.

Game 1 was a ZvP clinic and Neeb didn't play well. Game 2 was an arrogant gamble from Serral that never should have worked yet almost did, Game 3 was Infestor/Broodlord and lasted about 15 minutes longer than it should have, and Game 4 was a bop.


Wow, you're really harsh, I really enjoyed game 1.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 14 2019 17:00 GMT
#695
On July 15 2019 01:59 AzAlexZ wrote:
please just nerf infestors to the ground, P needs no buffs, Z (well really just infestors) needs nerfs.

It's ok dude Neeb is still the best PvZ!!!!
He's gonna give Serral a run for his money, as soon as infestors get nerfed!
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
July 14 2019 17:01 GMT
#696
Anyone wanna play sc2 in the break.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
July 14 2019 17:01 GMT
#697
On July 15 2019 02:01 GumBa wrote:
Anyone wanna play sc2 in the break.

Sure HMU for some dotasc2
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
July 14 2019 17:04 GMT
#698
Serral making a strong case for being best player in the world again. Dismantling a top PvZer, obviously still phenomenal in ZvZ, and going 7-4 against TY.
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
July 14 2019 17:08 GMT
#699
On July 15 2019 01:53 Penev wrote:
Neeb doesn't really look stronger than any of the other foreigners that occasionally give Serral a hard time btw


Yeah disappointing series. Maybe it'd have been closer if immortal all-ins were still good

HM vs Reynor next though! Last time HM 3-0'd Reynor
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
July 14 2019 17:08 GMT
#700
On July 15 2019 02:01 GumBa wrote:
Anyone wanna play sc2 in the break.

Sure thing fam
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