On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
Exactly this. No real surprise that no Protoss player went through yet.
sOs isn't as good as he used to be but is he worse than Ragnarok?
PartinG may have thrown but when a terran throws it's "imba Protoss, terran is 10 times harder to play, no wonder he makes mistakes , does he have to play like Maru to have a chance?" When a Protoss throws it's "omg he sucks"
TL DR This sounds like a bunch of excuses - from what I've seen Protoss isn't significantly stronger than the other races.
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
Exactly this. No real surprise that no Protoss player went through yet.
sOs isn't as good as he used to be but is he worse than Ragnarok?
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
Exactly this. No real surprise that no Protoss player went through yet.
sOs isn't as good as he used to be but is he worse than Ragnarok?
Today? Yes. Tomorrow? Who knows!
Of course he was today worse than Ragnarok but what I meant to say was that he was still expected/favored to advance despite being not in his best form.
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
they are one among the best and always be. and thier job is keeping that title stay relevant but if they fail? then it cant be helped a commitment goes along with punishments so thier gameplan failing is working as intended
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
they are one among the best and always be. and thier job is keeping that title stay relevant but if they fail? then it cant be helped a commitment goes along with punishments so thier gameplan failing is working as intended
i agree, i have no problem with that, and i'm not trying to take anything away from ragnarok, who has been playing excellently this year
I'm talking about this in relation to the narrative that protoss is OP though. like Vindicare said, protoss is on the chopping block about to get nerfed, but what exactly warrants it?
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
I dont understand this obsession over history. sOs is still a good player, but he is past his prime. So is Parting, and Zest. They are all legendary protosses, but that does not mean they will be on the top forever. Stats, Classic and Trap are currently far above this trio, and so is Hurricane form wise.
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
Stats being eliminated by Cure once doesn't mean it should happen again. It's not completely 100% certain that stats will win, but he is heavily favoured in that matchup. Lets say stats should win that battle 7/10 times. Pointing out that in the past that 3/10 occurrence showed up, is not evidence that it'll happen again next time. There's still a 7/10 chance that cure loses.
You could spin it the other way around as well: Cure won because Stats underestimated him. Stats won't underestimate him a second time. But it's all somewhat irrelevant to my overarching point which is that so far 2 protoss have been eliminated and it wasn't major upsets because of Protoss being underpowered. It was just sOs being sOs, and PartinG deciding senselessly overextending his aggression was a good gameplan 3 times in a row.
It also says nothing about sOs or PartinG's past performances. If you look at the Greatest of All Time votes, you'll see I clearly voted for sOs as a top 10 greatest player of all time. That doesn't really mean he's great now. MVP is also one of the greatest players of all time, but if he returns from retirement tomorrow, I expect him to get wrecked worse than Bomber was yesterday.
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
Stats being eliminated by Cure once doesn't mean it should happen again. It's not completely 100% certain that stats will win, but he is heavily favoured in that matchup. Lets say stats should win that battle 7/10 times. Pointing out that in the past that 3/10 occurrence showed up, is not evidence that it'll happen again next time. There's still a 7/10 chance that cure loses.
You could spin it the other way around as well: Cure won because Stats underestimated him. Stats won't underestimate him a second time. But it's all somewhat irrelevant to my overarching point which is that so far 2 protoss have been eliminated and it wasn't major upsets because of Protoss being underpowered. It was just sOs being sOs, and PartinG deciding senselessly overextending his aggression was a good gameplan 3 times in a row.
It also says nothing about sOs or PartinG's past performances. If you look at the Greatest of All Time votes, you'll see I clearly voted for sOs as a top 10 greatest player of all time. That doesn't really mean he's great now. MVP is also one of the greatest players of all time, but if he returns from retirement tomorrow, I expect him to get wrecked worse than Bomber was yesterday.
You mean a Cure in great form and shiny TvP who just destroyed Zest in the last Olimoleague finals and Stats struggling in PvT as he is been doing of recent? Back then Cure beating Stats was an upset, tomorrow it would not.
And the point is not Protoss being underpowered but not overpowered, there is a difference.
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
Stats being eliminated by Cure once doesn't mean it should happen again. It's not completely 100% certain that stats will win, but he is heavily favoured in that matchup. Lets say stats should win that battle 7/10 times. Pointing out that in the past that 3/10 occurrence showed up, is not evidence that it'll happen again next time. There's still a 7/10 chance that cure loses.
You could spin it the other way around as well: Cure won because Stats underestimated him. Stats won't underestimate him a second time. But it's all somewhat irrelevant to my overarching point which is that so far 2 protoss have been eliminated and it wasn't major upsets because of Protoss being underpowered. It was just sOs being sOs, and PartinG deciding senselessly overextending his aggression was a good gameplan 3 times in a row.
It also says nothing about sOs or PartinG's past performances. If you look at the Greatest of All Time votes, you'll see I clearly voted for sOs as a top 10 greatest player of all time. That doesn't really mean he's great now. MVP is also one of the greatest players of all time, but if he returns from retirement tomorrow, I expect him to get wrecked worse than Bomber was yesterday.
You mean a Cure in great form and shiny TvP who just destroyed Zest in the last Olimoleague finals and Stats struggling in PvT as he is been doing of recent? Back then Cure beating Stats was an upset, tomorrow it would not.
And the point is not Protoss being underpowered but not overpowered, there is a difference.
I mean a Cure who chokes every time he walks onto a stage...
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
Stats being eliminated by Cure once doesn't mean it should happen again. It's not completely 100% certain that stats will win, but he is heavily favoured in that matchup. Lets say stats should win that battle 7/10 times. Pointing out that in the past that 3/10 occurrence showed up, is not evidence that it'll happen again next time. There's still a 7/10 chance that cure loses.
You could spin it the other way around as well: Cure won because Stats underestimated him. Stats won't underestimate him a second time. But it's all somewhat irrelevant to my overarching point which is that so far 2 protoss have been eliminated and it wasn't major upsets because of Protoss being underpowered. It was just sOs being sOs, and PartinG deciding senselessly overextending his aggression was a good gameplan 3 times in a row.
It also says nothing about sOs or PartinG's past performances. If you look at the Greatest of All Time votes, you'll see I clearly voted for sOs as a top 10 greatest player of all time. That doesn't really mean he's great now. MVP is also one of the greatest players of all time, but if he returns from retirement tomorrow, I expect him to get wrecked worse than Bomber was yesterday.
You mean a Cure in great form and shiny TvP who just destroyed Zest in the last Olimoleague finals and Stats struggling in PvT as he is been doing of recent? Back then Cure beating Stats was an upset, tomorrow it would not.
And the point is not Protoss being underpowered but not overpowered, there is a difference.
I mean a Cure who chokes every time he walks onto a stage...
Weird, it seemed to me he had two ro4 runs in Code S. We'll see tomorrow, at the moment thinking Stats wins the bo3 70% of the times is not realistic.
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
I dont understand this obsession over history. sOs is still a good player, but he is past his prime. So is Parting, and Zest. They are all legendary protosses, but that does not mean they will be on the top forever. Stats, Classic and Trap are currently far above this trio, and so is Hurricane form wise.
On July 05 2019 19:55 Acrofales wrote: It also says nothing about sOs or PartinG's past performances. If you look at the Greatest of All Time votes, you'll see I clearly voted for sOs as a top 10 greatest player of all time. That doesn't really mean he's great now. MVP is also one of the greatest players of all time, but if he returns from retirement tomorrow, I expect him to get wrecked worse than Bomber was yesterday.
You guys are right
sOs is past his prime.
Here's what an sOs past his prime looks like
semi finalist in 2019 super tournament 1
2018 blizzcon semi finalist (after wiping the floor with arguably the strongest player in 2018)
finalist in 2018 super tournament 2
a finalist in last year’s IEM
second at 2017 Code S3
top 4 2018 code S s1
second at 2016 code S S3
If you don't think that's "great" I don't know what to tell you
and last two GSLs he's getting absolutely bullied by the likes of Special and Ragarok
The same special who has never beaten neeb until the last WCS
or i guess all the protoss players are getting worse at the same time???
On July 04 2019 21:31 Vindicare605 wrote: So... 3 Zergs and a Terran so far. And Protoss is on the nerfing block.
Maybe it's about time we started rethinking nerfing them.
Agree (seriously)
also: BRING BACK VORTEX
Well, the protoss so far have been very lackluster. PartinG could easily have won, but had the big throws. And sOs just isn't as good as he used to be. And that's the two toss who played so far. Now if Hurricane and Stats somehow both get knocked out vs Cure and Scarlett... that would be an indicator that there is a problem with protoss. But hinging it on these groups is a bit silly: PartinG had everything it took to win his matches, but decided to do stupid shit instead of win them. sOs is always volatile, sometimes it works, but lately it really hasn't worked often. And today was just one of those days it didn't work.
only on team liquid and battlenet forum do i read that sOs, one of the greatest protoss players in lotv, and one of the greatest protoss players of all time, and parting, another one of the greatest protoss players of all time and with strong runs in the GSL recently, are called lackluster. sOs was a blizzcon contender (semifinalist) and makes deep runs in super tournaments, and he's being written off as some run of the mill b-tier protoss lmao
parting's games only prove how unforgiving protoss is. a legendary protoss player can play the game perfectly, but one mistake and the game is over with no chance to come back.
by the way, stats has literally already been eliminated from the GSL by cure this year.
I dont understand this obsession over history. sOs is still a good player, but he is past his prime. So is Parting, and Zest. They are all legendary protosses, but that does not mean they will be on the top forever. Stats, Classic and Trap are currently far above this trio, and so is Hurricane form wise.
On July 05 2019 19:55 Acrofales wrote: It also says nothing about sOs or PartinG's past performances. If you look at the Greatest of All Time votes, you'll see I clearly voted for sOs as a top 10 greatest player of all time. That doesn't really mean he's great now. MVP is also one of the greatest players of all time, but if he returns from retirement tomorrow, I expect him to get wrecked worse than Bomber was yesterday.
You guys are right
sOs is past his prime.
Here's what an sOs past his prime looks like
semi finalist in 2019 super tournament 1
2018 blizzcon semi finalist (after wiping the floor with arguably the strongest player in 2018)
finalist in 2018 super tournament 2
a finalist in last year’s IEM
second at 2017 Code S3
top 4 2018 code S s1
second at 2016 code S S3
If you don't think that's "great" I don't know what to tell you
and last two GSLs he's getting absolutely bullied by the likes of Special and Ragarok
The same special who has never beaten neeb until the last WCS
or i guess all the protoss players are getting worse at the same time???
Yeah they all were pretty bad when 7/8 ST was Toss too right? Relax my guy. SoS lost a match thats all
EPT
