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On July 03 2019 19:21 Pandain wrote: They're going crazy over every mine shot even when it only hits like 5 interceptors lolol.
The mine's are pretty good on average, but parting crushes special's compositions besides that they forget to keep an eye on supply as per usual
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I've seen this mass widow mine style on Supernova's stream a LOT.
The widow mines just buy you time while you tech to Battlecruisers. Without the tech to Battlecruisers this style doesn't work, nothing else has the meat or power to make the massive supply cost of the Widow Mines worth it. They cost 2 supply each, that adds up quick.
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Was special planning to win with cyclones and mines only against late game toss? I don't know if that usually works for him.
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On July 03 2019 19:22 Vindicare605 wrote: I've seen this mass widow mine style on Supernova's stream a LOT.
The widow mines just buy you time while you tech to Battlecruisers. Without the tech to Battlecruisers this style doesn't work, nothing else has the meat or power to make the massive supply cost of the Widow Mines worth it. They cost 2 supply each, that adds up quick. Yeah I was thinking the same, but SpeCial never even started banking up money. PartinG just disected him in the scrappy fights.
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Why does special hate vikings?
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On July 03 2019 19:23 Acrofales wrote: Why does special hate vikings? require too much micro for his liking even without storm
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On July 03 2019 19:22 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:21 Pandain wrote: They're going crazy over every mine shot even when it only hits like 5 interceptors lolol.
The mine's are pretty good on average, but parting crushes special's compositions besides that It takes more time to rebuild all interceptors on a carrier than to make a new carrier, so it's not that minor. Protoss should be able to chronoboost carriers, so they build interceptors faster.
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On July 03 2019 19:23 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:22 Vindicare605 wrote: I've seen this mass widow mine style on Supernova's stream a LOT.
The widow mines just buy you time while you tech to Battlecruisers. Without the tech to Battlecruisers this style doesn't work, nothing else has the meat or power to make the massive supply cost of the Widow Mines worth it. They cost 2 supply each, that adds up quick. Yeah I was thinking the same, but SpeCial never even started banking up money. PartinG just disected him in the scrappy fights.
Supernova always turret spams with it too. I usually see him use it vs Tempest fleets but I see no reason why it wouldn't work just as well vs Carriers.
Special's problem was that he wasted all of that gas on Cyclones. Cyclones in that kind of scenario are nowhere near worth their gas cost.
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On July 03 2019 19:25 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:22 Ej_ wrote:On July 03 2019 19:21 Pandain wrote: They're going crazy over every mine shot even when it only hits like 5 interceptors lolol.
The mine's are pretty good on average, but parting crushes special's compositions besides that It takes more time to rebuild all interceptors on a carrier than to make a new carrier, so it's not that minor. Protoss should be able to chronoboost carriers, so they build interceptors faster. And then replace disruptors with reavers, so you can chrono those too!
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On July 03 2019 19:25 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:23 Ej_ wrote:On July 03 2019 19:22 Vindicare605 wrote: I've seen this mass widow mine style on Supernova's stream a LOT.
The widow mines just buy you time while you tech to Battlecruisers. Without the tech to Battlecruisers this style doesn't work, nothing else has the meat or power to make the massive supply cost of the Widow Mines worth it. They cost 2 supply each, that adds up quick. Yeah I was thinking the same, but SpeCial never even started banking up money. PartinG just disected him in the scrappy fights. Supernova always turret spams with it too. I usually see him use it vs Tempest fleets but I see no reason why it wouldn't work just as well vs Carriers. Special's problem was that he wasted all of that gas on Cyclones. Cyclones in that kind of scenario are nowhere near worth their gas cost.
yeah hellion harras would have probably done the same job too
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On July 03 2019 19:26 fealx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 03 2019 19:23 Ej_ wrote:On July 03 2019 19:22 Vindicare605 wrote: I've seen this mass widow mine style on Supernova's stream a LOT.
The widow mines just buy you time while you tech to Battlecruisers. Without the tech to Battlecruisers this style doesn't work, nothing else has the meat or power to make the massive supply cost of the Widow Mines worth it. They cost 2 supply each, that adds up quick. Yeah I was thinking the same, but SpeCial never even started banking up money. PartinG just disected him in the scrappy fights. Supernova always turret spams with it too. I usually see him use it vs Tempest fleets but I see no reason why it wouldn't work just as well vs Carriers. Special's problem was that he wasted all of that gas on Cyclones. Cyclones in that kind of scenario are nowhere near worth their gas cost. yeah hellion harras would have probably done the same job too Not sure. You kinda need the cyclones vs the stalkers and disruptors, don't you?
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On July 03 2019 19:28 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:26 fealx wrote:On July 03 2019 19:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 03 2019 19:23 Ej_ wrote:On July 03 2019 19:22 Vindicare605 wrote: I've seen this mass widow mine style on Supernova's stream a LOT.
The widow mines just buy you time while you tech to Battlecruisers. Without the tech to Battlecruisers this style doesn't work, nothing else has the meat or power to make the massive supply cost of the Widow Mines worth it. They cost 2 supply each, that adds up quick. Yeah I was thinking the same, but SpeCial never even started banking up money. PartinG just disected him in the scrappy fights. Supernova always turret spams with it too. I usually see him use it vs Tempest fleets but I see no reason why it wouldn't work just as well vs Carriers. Special's problem was that he wasted all of that gas on Cyclones. Cyclones in that kind of scenario are nowhere near worth their gas cost. yeah hellion harras would have probably done the same job too Not sure. You kinda need the cyclones vs the stalkers and disruptors, don't you? but the same goal is getting BCs tho
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On July 03 2019 19:31 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:28 Acrofales wrote:On July 03 2019 19:26 fealx wrote:On July 03 2019 19:25 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 03 2019 19:23 Ej_ wrote:On July 03 2019 19:22 Vindicare605 wrote: I've seen this mass widow mine style on Supernova's stream a LOT.
The widow mines just buy you time while you tech to Battlecruisers. Without the tech to Battlecruisers this style doesn't work, nothing else has the meat or power to make the massive supply cost of the Widow Mines worth it. They cost 2 supply each, that adds up quick. Yeah I was thinking the same, but SpeCial never even started banking up money. PartinG just disected him in the scrappy fights. Supernova always turret spams with it too. I usually see him use it vs Tempest fleets but I see no reason why it wouldn't work just as well vs Carriers. Special's problem was that he wasted all of that gas on Cyclones. Cyclones in that kind of scenario are nowhere near worth their gas cost. yeah hellion harras would have probably done the same job too Not sure. You kinda need the cyclones vs the stalkers and disruptors, don't you? but the same goal is getting BCs tho
BCs are the only thing that can break you OUT of that kind of defensive late game posture as far as I know. If you're making anything else you're just gonna defend until you die.
I suppose you COULD make a case for Ghost/Liberator/Viking but that gets wrecked so fast by storm if you aren't careful.
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Rogue must be really confident in ZvT, to speedling all-in vs aLive
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On July 03 2019 19:33 Ej_ wrote: Rogue must be really confident in ZvT, to speedling all-in vs aLive Or maybe he doesn't respect aLive and thought he'd just outright win there.
Why is an early pressure play a sign of low confidence?
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On July 03 2019 19:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2019 19:33 Ej_ wrote: Rogue must be really confident in ZvT, to speedling all-in vs aLive Or maybe he doesn't respect aLive and thought he'd just outright win there. Why is an early pressure play a sign of low confidence? Because why would you risk a BO disadvantage (or loss) if you can just play standard and beat someone straight up? And why would you reveal an aggressive build vs a player who isn't a favorite? I'd save it for tougher matches.
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Sick baneling mine position.
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It was looking okayish for aLive and then he lost 15 workers to 4 banes lol
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