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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 16 2019 21:38 GMT
#81
I never understood why people care so much about totally arbitrary liquipedia labels. The players, prizepool, format, etc, are all independent of such labels and they remain unchanged no matter what liquipedia happens to say. WCS is not GSL no matter what their labels are, nor are different HSCs any greater or lesser because of it.

You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same.
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Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
June 16 2019 21:45 GMT
#82
Yeah, there is no way this is a Premier event, not even close... I mean there were only 5 good players (Innovation, Solar, Scarlett, Special and TIME), period.

On the other hand it's great to see how SC2 is growing on China and all these events like both team leagues, next, Gold, etc. Really happy for this.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
June 16 2019 21:47 GMT
#83
On June 17 2019 06:38 pvsnp wrote:
I never understood why people care so much about totally arbitrary liquipedia labels. The players, prizepool, format, etc, are all independent of such labels and they remain unchanged no matter what liquipedia happens to say. WCS is not GSL no matter what their labels are, nor are different HSCs any greater or lesser because of it.

You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same.


Once the totally arbitrary criteria are decided, one would imagine they are going to be respected; consistency is what we are discussing here.
osliang
Profile Joined June 2019
China108 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-16 21:54:16
June 16 2019 21:51 GMT
#84
On June 17 2019 06:45 Elmonti wrote:
there were only 5 good players (Innovation, Solar, Scarlett, Special and TIME), period.


Chinese players: That really hurts...
iAsonu: Am I still not good enough after beating Solar and Special?

lmao
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33559 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-16 23:17:15
June 16 2019 23:16 GMT
#85
seems very clearly 'major' or less to me, but I dare not invoke the wrath of the liquipedia cabal :o
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
tcb
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
June 16 2019 23:25 GMT
#86
tier changed
(Wiki)index.php?title=GPC 2019 Season 1&diff=1494771&oldid=1494761
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-17 00:21:31
June 17 2019 00:07 GMT
#87
On June 17 2019 06:47 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2019 06:38 pvsnp wrote:
I never understood why people care so much about totally arbitrary liquipedia labels. The players, prizepool, format, etc, are all independent of such labels and they remain unchanged no matter what liquipedia happens to say. WCS is not GSL no matter what their labels are, nor are different HSCs any greater or lesser because of it.

You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same.


Once the totally arbitrary criteria are decided, one would imagine they are going to be respected; consistency is what we are discussing here.


But as others pointed out, they are already highly inconsistent. Different HSCs are labelled differently, WCS is labelled the same as GSL, etc. Arguing over this particular tournament is just closing the stable after the horse has bolted. In any case, the change to Premier was made by CynicalDeath (the guy who basically runs the wiki) and I'd rather not cross him by changing it back. It's just one more inconsistency among many.

Speaking of the wiki though, the Achievements table has this tournament dated as 2018-06-16 instead of 2019-06-16. I can't for the life of me find out how or where this Achievements table can be edited, but somebody who does know might want to fix that.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-17 01:14:04
June 17 2019 01:09 GMT
#88
On June 17 2019 09:07 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2019 06:47 Xain0n wrote:
On June 17 2019 06:38 pvsnp wrote:
I never understood why people care so much about totally arbitrary liquipedia labels. The players, prizepool, format, etc, are all independent of such labels and they remain unchanged no matter what liquipedia happens to say. WCS is not GSL no matter what their labels are, nor are different HSCs any greater or lesser because of it.

You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same.


Once the totally arbitrary criteria are decided, one would imagine they are going to be respected; consistency is what we are discussing here.


But as others pointed out, they are already highly inconsistent. Different HSCs are labelled differently, WCS is labelled the same as GSL, etc. Arguing over this particular tournament is just closing the stable after the horse has bolted. In any case, the change to Premier was made by CynicalDeath (the guy who basically runs the wiki) and I'd rather not cross him by changing it back. It's just one more inconsistency among many.

Speaking of the wiki though, the Achievements table has this tournament dated as 2018-06-16 instead of 2019-06-16. I can't for the life of me find out how or where this Achievements table can be edited, but somebody who does know might want to fix that.


There are inconsistencies, both Majors being labeled as Premiers(of the HSCs, XVIII alone not being Premier is a big question mark, to me; NEO SL 2016, definitely looks like a Premier tournament;the GFinity G3 Bunny won, even if maybe only 12 people doesn't cut the mark, just as for Hangzhou Carnival; Campus Party Europe 2012, I believe it could be a Premier; LG Cinema 3D Special League 2011, also unclear to me why it is a Major) and Premiers which may be Major(mostly the tournament we are discussing of and the two SSL Challenge in 2017: few players, very low prize and a being a lower division of a more prestigious tournament; Code A in 2011 was at least a more crowded competition).
Out of 500/600 non minor Sc2 tournaments, I would not say there are many dubious cases; in any of case, Liquipedia is not immutable, I think those can be discussed and, if necessary, modified.

WCS events being Premier as much as GSL ones is not and cannot be inconsistency, on the other hand.
lzhalzx
Profile Joined October 2017
6 Posts
June 17 2019 10:59 GMT
#89
considering thar NSL 2016 international which has a much larger prize pool and more top-tier foreign players is still a major, I would definately agree GPC 2019 is a major tournament
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