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digmouse
China6331 Posts
Final event of Season 1 of NetEase's GPC series. Top 10 of GPC circuit point scorers, 2 wildcard players and 4 invited foreign players fight for ~$20K of prize money. Invited:  INnoVation,  Scarlett, SpeCial, Solar, GPC ranking top 10:  Cloudy, FireFly, MacSed, Coffee, TIME, XY, BreakingGG, iAsonu, Silky, TooDmingWildcard qualifier: Cyan, Jieshi16 man GSL style tournament, that's all you need to know. | ||
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Soke
United States790 Posts
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pzlama333
United States282 Posts
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thickertom
China612 Posts
Winner's matches, Loser's matches and Tiebreaker's matches will all broadcast. | ||
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Treveis
11 Posts
On June 13 2019 16:45 thickertom wrote: The first matches of each group will only broadcast the matches of Chinese vs Foreign. Winner's matches, Loser's matches and Tiebreaker's matches will all broadcast. So how get info about Silky vs Coffe | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
It may be announced after the broadcast match finished. | ||
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Treveis
11 Posts
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osliang
China108 Posts
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thickertom
China612 Posts
On June 13 2019 17:43 Treveis wrote: Scarelett 0-1 TooDming xDDD Maybe this is a bug. I don't know who knows the match has begun though due to Scarlett's eyes (?), the match can start first. | ||
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General1330
8 Posts
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Treveis
11 Posts
On June 13 2019 17:48 thickertom wrote: Maybe this is a bug. I don't know who knows the match has begun though due to Scarlett's eyes (?), the match can start first. Ye maybe wiki baited me | ||
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On June 13 2019 17:47 osliang wrote: No English stream? Wardi isn't streaming at the moment. Wardi needs to travel so he'll just do the final day. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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thickertom
China612 Posts
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
On June 13 2019 18:44 Morbidius wrote: I don't speak Korean or Chinese sadly, what is going on and which Stream is better? I suggest you go to Crank.There are lots of shitty ads on CN stream sites. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
This could easily be a tournament where all the games suck until we get to the four foreigners + Time | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
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osliang
China108 Posts
On June 13 2019 20:25 Pandain wrote: This is pretty brutal. Any of the games been close yet? This could easily be a tournament where all the games suck until we get to the four foreigners + Time Yea result has been predictable so far. Only upset is TIME losing to Cyan 0:2 too bad it wasn't broadcasted. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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Soke
United States790 Posts
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tcb
49 Posts
On June 14 2019 04:15 Soke wrote: Scarlett vs XY was an awesome series innovation shocked by this match | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On June 14 2019 04:15 Soke wrote: Scarlett vs XY was an awesome series Game 2 was very Scarlett-Bomberesque | ||
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thickertom
China612 Posts
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fastr
France902 Posts
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thickertom
China612 Posts
On June 15 2019 17:26 fastr wrote: So no english or korean streams for the playoffs? That's disappointing to say the least for a 23k USD tournament with a really good player lineup. Guess I'll watch on the piece of crap that is the douyu player https://www.douyu.com/3484 | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On June 15 2019 17:26 fastr wrote: So no english or korean streams for the playoffs? That's disappointing to say the least for a 23k USD tournament with a really good player lineup. Guess I'll watch on the piece of crap that is the douyu player I will say, though, that the downloadable player is much better than the online one. EDIT: iA playing well so far. | ||
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osliang
China108 Posts
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On June 15 2019 17:26 fastr wrote: So no english or korean streams for the playoffs? That's disappointing to say the least for a 23k USD tournament with a really good player lineup. Guess I'll watch on the piece of crap that is the douyu player Wardi will be doing the final day tomorrow. They also have a Chinese feed on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/neotvbaoxue | ||
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SeVpresty
6 Posts
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On June 15 2019 18:36 digmouse wrote: Wardi will be doing the final day tomorrow. They also have a Chinese feed on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/neotvbaoxue Thank you very much! Douyou is not that bad, but all the shiny stuff in the screen is annoying xD | ||
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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WenHe
34 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
Okay he did it anyways  | ||
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sneakyfox
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osliang
China108 Posts
On June 15 2019 21:10 sneakyfox wrote: Ouch... TIME almost nuking his own army, looked like a rage gg right there. More like a hopeless surrender. Still TIME has improved quite a bit from last year, he used to last no longer than 20mins against Scarlett in BO5 | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
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osliang
China108 Posts
On June 15 2019 21:20 xelnaga_empire wrote: Will there be an English caster for the Special vs Scarlett match tomorrow? I hope one of the English casters pick it up. Digmouse said Wardi will cast the final tomorrow (9am GMT) | ||
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Soke
United States790 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Wardi
England898 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Soke
United States790 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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Elentos
55571 Posts
E: The most heroic single zergling of all time. | ||
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RavenZ_2vs2
Switzerland185 Posts
Have a good event and an even better Sunday guys RavenZ | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Oh and Inno is apparently not scared of Special at all, because when they were practicing for GSL he won 10-0. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On June 16 2019 18:16 pvsnp wrote: Seems like the number of Zergs that actually know how to play lategame ZvT–which is to say, not just sitting on a bunch of BLs or making a single all-or-nothing BL push–is very low. As in, only Dark and Rogue. Even Serral's lategame is not particularly good and far worse than his overall skill level might suggest. Oh and Inno is apparently not scared of Special at all, because when they were practicing for GSL he won 10-0. i am glad dat xeion wont come here even when serral is mentioned this place seems like a safe haven to me.really enjoy every game of this tournament so far | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On June 16 2019 18:16 pvsnp wrote: Seems like the number of Zergs that actually know how to play lategame ZvT–which is to say, not just sitting on a bunch of BLs or making a single all-or-nothing BL push–is very low. As in, only Dark and Rogue. Even Serral's lategame is not particularly good and far worse than his overall skill level might suggest. Oh and Inno is apparently not scared of Special at all, because when they were practicing for GSL he won 10-0. Scarlett can play a pretty decent late game, certainly better than IA did, it could be interesting series if we get there. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 16 2019 18:33 Nakajin wrote: Scarlett can play a pretty decent late game, certainly better than IA did, it could be interesting series if we get there. Well the casters agree with you. Apparently Special works hard but is not as talented as the lazier Scarlett. So the prediction is Scarlett 3-1 Special. But Inno is not worried about either of them, even if he's not at his peak right now. I like these guys, they've got a good Tastosis-ish vibe. Oh the other guy disagrees, he thinks it's more 50/50 and will be 3-2 no matter which way. | ||
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seemsgood
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
special just completely botches a push | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
E: Maybe Scarlett watched In-Depth too. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 16 2019 18:28 seemsgood wrote: i am glad dat xeion wont come here even when serral is mentioned this place seems like a safe haven to me.really enjoy every game of this tournament so far You spoke too soon if you are mentioning me. I agree with pvsnp here, Serral's ZvT lategame play in 2019 has appeared somehow lackluster considering his skill level; I am pretty sure Solar is better than Rogue at handling Terran. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 16 2019 19:48 Xain0n wrote: You spoke too soon if you are mentioning me. I agree with pvsnp here, Serral's ZvT lategame play in 2019 has appeared somehow lackluster considering his skill level; I am pretty sure Solar is better than Rogue at handling Terran. Speak of the devil and he shall appear. Special's TvZ as lackluster as ever. Scarlett played reasonably well, but nothing spectacular. On the plus side, no mirrors. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
XY-Time-Special-Innovation | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
and iAsonu is legit | ||
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
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osliang
China108 Posts
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 16 2019 22:20 seemsgood wrote: major 3rd finish ? not too shabby no. he lost the 3rd place match. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
huh? that sucks tho.. this terran gotta stop hating protoss and start practice tvz real quick | ||
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osliang
China108 Posts
On June 16 2019 22:46 seemsgood wrote: huh? that sucks tho.. this terran gotta stop hating protoss and start practice tvz real quick And he lost 0:3 to TIME in NEXT just a couple of weeks ago... Guess he needs a bit more practice on tvt too lol | ||
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Elentos
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 16 2019 23:58 Elentos wrote: Liquipedia considers this a Premier tournament? The hell? It was Major when I checked, yesterday; I don't think this can be seen as a Premier tournament, either(especially when the ast HSC and Guangzhou Carnival were labeled Major). I suppose there was an error? | ||
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osliang
China108 Posts
On June 16 2019 23:58 Elentos wrote: Liquipedia considers this a Premier tournament? The hell? Tournaments Tier Definition on TL: Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Major Tournaments feature a large prize pool and a good number of top-tier players. They are generally one-time events which take place online. | ||
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sneakyfox
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On June 17 2019 00:20 osliang wrote: Tournaments Tier Definition on TL: Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Major Tournaments feature a large prize pool and a good number of top-tier players. They are generally one-time events which take place online. I think one hidden definition is that there must be some kind of qualifier involved as this tournament had but HSC doesn't now. It's interesting to take a look at the reassignment of HSC from Premier to Major tier between HSC 16 and HSC 18: They both satisfy the official TL definition for Premier tournament (in fact they're basically the exact same tournament happening 1 year apart) but the only difference is that HSC 16 had slots for qualifiers while 18 doesn't. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On June 17 2019 00:39 argonautdice wrote: I think one hidden definition is that there must be some kind of qualifier involved as this tournament had but HSC doesn't now. It's interesting to take a look at the reassignment of HSC from Premier to Major tier between HSC 16 and HSC 18: They both satisfy the official TL definition for Premier tournament (in fact they're basically the exact same tournament happening 1 year apart) but the only difference is that HSC 16 had slots for qualifiers while 18 doesn't. Then what about the Hangzhou Starcraft carnival? It also had qualifiers, had a higher prize pool than GPC, was played offline and had prestigious invites (neeb, innovation, rogue, hero, scarlett). Surely they belong to the same category, be it premier or major? | ||
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On June 17 2019 00:20 osliang wrote: Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. It's got a solid prize pool, it's played offline, GPL is a relatively well-known series of tournaments. But it definitely doesn't feature best players from all over the world or is considered particularly prestigious among the community. And 14 out of 16 attendees were invited too. Quite honestly this tournament's main appeal is that its prize pool is above 20k. | ||
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pzlama333
United States282 Posts
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
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osliang
China108 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 17 2019 01:40 osliang wrote: IMO the production alone deserves to be consider premium though, not to mention the amount of viewership it had globally, especially in China. It might be fine, but why wouldn't HSC or Hangzhou be Premier then? | ||
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2394 Posts
On June 17 2019 01:46 Xain0n wrote: It might be fine, but why wouldn't HSC or Hangzhou be Premier then? hangzhou tournament was a little of a mess with rock paper scissors for first map pick and no vetoes, no soundproofing on stage, etc and only paid out to top3/ less players overall homestory with 20k prize pool was always classified as premier until last one, so maybe just a mistake there | ||
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On June 17 2019 01:21 Elentos wrote: It's got a solid prize pool, it's played offline, GPL is a relatively well-known series of tournaments. But it definitely doesn't feature best players from all over the world or is considered particularly prestigious among the community. And 14 out of 16 attendees were invited too. Quite honestly this tournament's main appeal is that its prize pool is above 20k. The majority of players actually got there by accumulating points in official tournaments like WCS qualifier/challenger or GPC monthlies. The only problem is the overall quality of players. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 17 2019 02:15 Scarlett` wrote: hangzhou tournament was a little of a mess with rock paper scissors for first map pick and no vetoes, no soundproofing on stage, etc and only paid out to top3/ less players overall homestory with 20k prize pool was always classified as premier until last one, so maybe just a mistake there Thanks for making me notice that! I agree with Digmouse, I am not sure there were enough top players to consider GPC a Premier event. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same. | ||
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On the other hand it's great to see how SC2 is growing on China and all these events like both team leagues, next, Gold, etc. Really happy for this. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 17 2019 06:38 pvsnp wrote: I never understood why people care so much about totally arbitrary liquipedia labels. The players, prizepool, format, etc, are all independent of such labels and they remain unchanged no matter what liquipedia happens to say. WCS is not GSL no matter what their labels are, nor are different HSCs any greater or lesser because of it. You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same. Once the totally arbitrary criteria are decided, one would imagine they are going to be respected; consistency is what we are discussing here. | ||
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osliang
China108 Posts
On June 17 2019 06:45 Elmonti wrote: there were only 5 good players (Innovation, Solar, Scarlett, Special and TIME), period. Chinese players: That really hurts... iAsonu: Am I still not good enough after beating Solar and Special? lmao | ||
Waxangel
United States33592 Posts
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tcb
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 17 2019 06:47 Xain0n wrote: Once the totally arbitrary criteria are decided, one would imagine they are going to be respected; consistency is what we are discussing here. But as others pointed out, they are already highly inconsistent. Different HSCs are labelled differently, WCS is labelled the same as GSL, etc. Arguing over this particular tournament is just closing the stable after the horse has bolted. In any case, the change to Premier was made by CynicalDeath (the guy who basically runs the wiki) and I'd rather not cross him by changing it back. It's just one more inconsistency among many. Speaking of the wiki though, the Achievements table has this tournament dated as 2018-06-16 instead of 2019-06-16. I can't for the life of me find out how or where this Achievements table can be edited, but somebody who does know might want to fix that. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 17 2019 09:07 pvsnp wrote: But as others pointed out, they are already highly inconsistent. Different HSCs are labelled differently, WCS is labelled the same as GSL, etc. Arguing over this particular tournament is just closing the stable after the horse has bolted. In any case, the change to Premier was made by CynicalDeath (the guy who basically runs the wiki) and I'd rather not cross him by changing it back. It's just one more inconsistency among many. Speaking of the wiki though, the Achievements table has this tournament dated as 2018-06-16 instead of 2019-06-16. I can't for the life of me find out how or where this Achievements table can be edited, but somebody who does know might want to fix that. There are inconsistencies, both Majors being labeled as Premiers(of the HSCs, XVIII alone not being Premier is a big question mark, to me; NEO SL 2016, definitely looks like a Premier tournament;the GFinity G3 Bunny won, even if maybe only 12 people doesn't cut the mark, just as for Hangzhou Carnival; Campus Party Europe 2012, I believe it could be a Premier; LG Cinema 3D Special League 2011, also unclear to me why it is a Major) and Premiers which may be Major(mostly the tournament we are discussing of and the two SSL Challenge in 2017: few players, very low prize and a being a lower division of a more prestigious tournament; Code A in 2011 was at least a more crowded competition). Out of 500/600 non minor Sc2 tournaments, I would not say there are many dubious cases; in any of case, Liquipedia is not immutable, I think those can be discussed and, if necessary, modified. WCS events being Premier as much as GSL ones is not and cannot be inconsistency, on the other hand. | ||
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lzhalzx
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