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China6282 Posts
Final event of Season 1 of NetEase's GPC series. Top 10 of GPC circuit point scorers, 2 wildcard players and 4 invited foreign players fight for ~$20K of prize money.
Invited: INnoVation, Scarlett, SpeCial, Solar, GPC ranking top 10: Cloudy, FireFly, MacSed, Coffee, TIME, XY, BreakingGG , iAsonu, Silky, TooDming Wildcard qualifier: Cyan, Jieshi
16 man GSL style tournament, that's all you need to know.
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As I remember, one of the invite was hero, but not Solar when I checked the liquipedia page a few days ago. However, since they both are from TSG, and the boss of TSG are trying to hire Innovation as well, so it shouldn't be matter. Special won TIME in WCS but lost in NeXT, so it should be interesting to watch the re-match. The other invites should reach play-off easily.
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The first matches of each group will only broadcast the matches of Chinese vs Foreign. Winner's matches, Loser's matches and Tiebreaker's matches will all broadcast.
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On June 13 2019 16:45 thickertom wrote: The first matches of each group will only broadcast the matches of Chinese vs Foreign. Winner's matches, Loser's matches and Tiebreaker's matches will all broadcast.
So how get info about Silky vs Coffe
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On June 13 2019 17:02 Treveis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2019 16:45 thickertom wrote: The first matches of each group will only broadcast the matches of Chinese vs Foreign. Winner's matches, Loser's matches and Tiebreaker's matches will all broadcast. So how get info about Silky vs Coffe
It may be announced after the broadcast match finished.
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Scarelett 0-1 TooDming xDDD
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No English stream? Wardi isn't streaming at the moment.
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On June 13 2019 17:43 Treveis wrote: Scarelett 0-1 TooDming xDDD Maybe this is a bug. I don't know who knows the match has begun though due to Scarlett's eyes (?), the match can start first.
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On June 13 2019 17:48 thickertom wrote:Maybe this is a bug. I don't know who knows the match has begun though due to Scarlett's eyes (?), the match can start first. Ye maybe wiki baited me
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On June 13 2019 17:47 osliang wrote: No English stream? Wardi isn't streaming at the moment. Wardi needs to travel so he'll just do the final day.
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I don't speak Korean or Chinese sadly, what is going on and which Stream is better?
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On June 13 2019 18:44 Morbidius wrote: I don't speak Korean or Chinese sadly, what is going on and which Stream is better?
I suggest you go to Crank.There are lots of shitty ads on CN stream sites.
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This is pretty brutal. Any of the games been close yet?
This could easily be a tournament where all the games suck until we get to the four foreigners + Time
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On June 13 2019 20:25 Pandain wrote: This is pretty brutal. Any of the games been close yet?
This could easily be a tournament where all the games suck until we get to the four foreigners + Time
Yea result has been predictable so far. Only upset is TIME losing to Cyan 0:2 too bad it wasn't broadcasted.
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Canada8764 Posts
China region lock incoming
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Scarlett vs XY was an awesome series
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On June 14 2019 04:15 Soke wrote: Scarlett vs XY was an awesome series innovation shocked by this match
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On June 14 2019 04:15 Soke wrote: Scarlett vs XY was an awesome series Game 2 was very Scarlett-Bomberesque
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So no english or korean streams for the playoffs? That's disappointing to say the least for a 23k USD tournament with a really good player lineup. Guess I'll watch on the piece of crap that is the douyu player
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On June 15 2019 17:26 fastr wrote: So no english or korean streams for the playoffs? That's disappointing to say the least for a 23k USD tournament with a really good player lineup. Guess I'll watch on the piece of crap that is the douyu player https://www.douyu.com/3484
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On June 15 2019 17:26 fastr wrote: So no english or korean streams for the playoffs? That's disappointing to say the least for a 23k USD tournament with a really good player lineup. Guess I'll watch on the piece of crap that is the douyu player
I will say, though, that the downloadable player is much better than the online one.
EDIT: iA playing well so far.
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OMG, Solar vs iAsonu 0:2 at the moment.... iAsonu is playing exceptionally well today..
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On June 15 2019 17:26 fastr wrote: So no english or korean streams for the playoffs? That's disappointing to say the least for a 23k USD tournament with a really good player lineup. Guess I'll watch on the piece of crap that is the douyu player Wardi will be doing the final day tomorrow. They also have a Chinese feed on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/neotvbaoxue
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OMG, iAsonu 3:1 won Solar!
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On June 15 2019 18:36 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2019 17:26 fastr wrote: So no english or korean streams for the playoffs? That's disappointing to say the least for a 23k USD tournament with a really good player lineup. Guess I'll watch on the piece of crap that is the douyu player Wardi will be doing the final day tomorrow. They also have a Chinese feed on Twitch here: https://www.twitch.tv/neotvbaoxue
Thank you very much! Douyou is not that bad, but all the shiny stuff in the screen is annoying xD
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Yeah,IA took down Solar by 3:1.
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Feels bad for iA, he scores the upset over Solar and his reward is facing Inno. Top half of the bracket is way more stacked.
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Amazing,IA beats Solar!!!
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I feel like TIME really had a timing to kill Scarlett this game.
Okay he did it anyways
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Ouch... TIME almost nuking his own army, looked like a rage gg right there.
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On June 15 2019 21:10 sneakyfox wrote: Ouch... TIME almost nuking his own army, looked like a rage gg right there.
More like a hopeless surrender. Still TIME has improved quite a bit from last year, he used to last no longer than 20mins against Scarlett in BO5
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Will there be an English caster for the Special vs Scarlett match tomorrow? I hope one of the English casters pick it up.
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On June 15 2019 21:20 xelnaga_empire wrote: Will there be an English caster for the Special vs Scarlett match tomorrow? I hope one of the English casters pick it up.
Digmouse said Wardi will cast the final tomorrow (9am GMT)
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This tournament has actually been a lot of fun. Quite a few exciting games/matches
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Special scarlett should be pretty sick
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English stream is up for today, I was travelling until now sadly!
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lol Inno misread that completely :D
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Inno has lost a game in every series he's played
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that was actually hysterical. you could even see inno laughing at the end
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I notice a lot of Terrans that BC rush still build another fusion core when the drop the 2nd and 3rd starport, the way Inno did here. I guess that muscle memory is too ingrained.
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iAsonu has killed like 10000 SCVs this game just to be even on workers.
E: The most heroic single zergling of all time.
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Seems like the number of Zergs that actually know how to play lategame ZvT–which is to say, not just sitting on a bunch of BLs or making a single all-or-nothing BL push–is very low. As in, only Dark and Rogue. Even Serral's lategame is not particularly good and far worse than his overall skill level might suggest.
Oh and Inno is apparently not scared of Special at all, because when they were practicing for GSL he won 10-0.
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On June 16 2019 18:16 pvsnp wrote: Seems like the number of Zergs that actually know how to play lategame ZvT–which is to say, not just sitting on a bunch of BLs or making a single all-or-nothing BL push–is very low. As in, only Dark and Rogue. Even Serral's lategame is not particularly good and far worse than his overall skill level might suggest.
Oh and Inno is apparently not scared of Special at all, because when they were practicing for GSL he won 10-0. i am glad dat xeion wont come here even when serral is mentioned this place seems like a safe haven to me.really enjoy every game of this tournament so far
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Canada8764 Posts
On June 16 2019 18:16 pvsnp wrote: Seems like the number of Zergs that actually know how to play lategame ZvT–which is to say, not just sitting on a bunch of BLs or making a single all-or-nothing BL push–is very low. As in, only Dark and Rogue. Even Serral's lategame is not particularly good and far worse than his overall skill level might suggest.
Oh and Inno is apparently not scared of Special at all, because when they were practicing for GSL he won 10-0.
Scarlett can play a pretty decent late game, certainly better than IA did, it could be interesting series if we get there.
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On June 16 2019 18:33 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2019 18:16 pvsnp wrote: Seems like the number of Zergs that actually know how to play lategame ZvT–which is to say, not just sitting on a bunch of BLs or making a single all-or-nothing BL push–is very low. As in, only Dark and Rogue. Even Serral's lategame is not particularly good and far worse than his overall skill level might suggest.
Oh and Inno is apparently not scared of Special at all, because when they were practicing for GSL he won 10-0. Scarlett can play a pretty decent late game, certainly better than IA did, it could be interesting series if we get there.
Well the casters agree with you. Apparently Special works hard but is not as talented as the lazier Scarlett. So the prediction is Scarlett 3-1 Special. But Inno is not worried about either of them, even if he's not at his peak right now.
I like these guys, they've got a good Tastosis-ish vibe.
Oh the other guy disagrees, he thinks it's more 50/50 and will be 3-2 no matter which way.
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what a weird all in build
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i swear every scarlett vs special late game goes the same way
special just completely botches a push
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3rax reaper? Artosis went over this build specifically on this map in the last In-Depth. It worked pretty well.
E: Maybe Scarlett watched In-Depth too.
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On June 16 2019 18:28 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2019 18:16 pvsnp wrote: Seems like the number of Zergs that actually know how to play lategame ZvT–which is to say, not just sitting on a bunch of BLs or making a single all-or-nothing BL push–is very low. As in, only Dark and Rogue. Even Serral's lategame is not particularly good and far worse than his overall skill level might suggest.
Oh and Inno is apparently not scared of Special at all, because when they were practicing for GSL he won 10-0. i am glad dat xeion wont come here even when serral is mentioned this place seems like a safe haven to me.really enjoy every game of this tournament so far
You spoke too soon if you are mentioning me.
I agree with pvsnp here, Serral's ZvT lategame play in 2019 has appeared somehow lackluster considering his skill level; I am pretty sure Solar is better than Rogue at handling Terran.
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On June 16 2019 19:48 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2019 18:28 seemsgood wrote:On June 16 2019 18:16 pvsnp wrote: Seems like the number of Zergs that actually know how to play lategame ZvT–which is to say, not just sitting on a bunch of BLs or making a single all-or-nothing BL push–is very low. As in, only Dark and Rogue. Even Serral's lategame is not particularly good and far worse than his overall skill level might suggest.
Oh and Inno is apparently not scared of Special at all, because when they were practicing for GSL he won 10-0. i am glad dat xeion wont come here even when serral is mentioned this place seems like a safe haven to me.really enjoy every game of this tournament so far You spoke too soon if you are mentioning me. I agree with pvsnp here, Serral's ZvT lategame play in 2019 has appeared somehow lackluster considering his skill level; I am pretty sure Solar is better than Rogue at handling Terran.
Speak of the devil and he shall appear.
Special's TvZ as lackluster as ever. Scarlett played reasonably well, but nothing spectacular. On the plus side, no mirrors.
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Scarlett's run is like she's playing a video game where she progressively faces harder opponets.
XY-Time-Special-Innovation
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Wow this crowd is great. and iAsonu is legit
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Feel bad for Special... 3rd and 4th place prize money is huge ($2889 vs. $722)
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scarlett is so incredibly inconsistent but my god, when she's on she is ON
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major 3rd finish ? not too shabby
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On June 16 2019 22:20 seemsgood wrote: major 3rd finish ? not too shabby no. he lost the 3rd place match.
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On June 16 2019 22:22 HolydaKing wrote:no. he lost the 3rd place match. huh? that sucks tho.. this terran gotta stop hating protoss and start practice tvz real quick
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On June 16 2019 22:46 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2019 22:22 HolydaKing wrote:On June 16 2019 22:20 seemsgood wrote: major 3rd finish ? not too shabby no. he lost the 3rd place match. huh? that sucks tho.. this terran gotta stop hating protoss and start practice tvz real quick
And he lost 0:3 to TIME in NEXT just a couple of weeks ago... Guess he needs a bit more practice on tvt too lol
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Liquipedia considers this a Premier tournament? The hell?
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On June 16 2019 23:58 Elentos wrote: Liquipedia considers this a Premier tournament? The hell?
It was Major when I checked, yesterday; I don't think this can be seen as a Premier tournament, either(especially when the ast HSC and Guangzhou Carnival were labeled Major). I suppose there was an error?
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On June 16 2019 23:58 Elentos wrote: Liquipedia considers this a Premier tournament? The hell?
Tournaments Tier Definition on TL:
Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community.
Major Tournaments feature a large prize pool and a good number of top-tier players. They are generally one-time events which take place online.
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How weird that the finals was only Bo5. Feelsbadman
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On June 17 2019 00:20 osliang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2019 23:58 Elentos wrote: Liquipedia considers this a Premier tournament? The hell? Tournaments Tier Definition on TL: Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Major Tournaments feature a large prize pool and a good number of top-tier players. They are generally one-time events which take place online. I think one hidden definition is that there must be some kind of qualifier involved as this tournament had but HSC doesn't now.
It's interesting to take a look at the reassignment of HSC from Premier to Major tier between HSC 16 and HSC 18: They both satisfy the official TL definition for Premier tournament (in fact they're basically the exact same tournament happening 1 year apart) but the only difference is that HSC 16 had slots for qualifiers while 18 doesn't.
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On June 17 2019 00:39 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2019 00:20 osliang wrote:On June 16 2019 23:58 Elentos wrote: Liquipedia considers this a Premier tournament? The hell? Tournaments Tier Definition on TL: Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. Major Tournaments feature a large prize pool and a good number of top-tier players. They are generally one-time events which take place online. I think one hidden definition is that there must be some kind of qualifier involved as this tournament had but HSC doesn't now. It's interesting to take a look at the reassignment of HSC from Premier to Major tier between HSC 16 and HSC 18: They both satisfy the official TL definition for Premier tournament (in fact they're basically the exact same tournament happening 1 year apart) but the only difference is that HSC 16 had slots for qualifiers while 18 doesn't.
Then what about the Hangzhou Starcraft carnival? It also had qualifiers, had a higher prize pool than GPC, was played offline and had prestigious invites (neeb, innovation, rogue, hero, scarlett). Surely they belong to the same category, be it premier or major?
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On June 17 2019 00:20 osliang wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2019 23:58 Elentos wrote: Liquipedia considers this a Premier tournament? The hell? Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. It's got a solid prize pool, it's played offline, GPL is a relatively well-known series of tournaments. But it definitely doesn't feature best players from all over the world or is considered particularly prestigious among the community. And 14 out of 16 attendees were invited too. Quite honestly this tournament's main appeal is that its prize pool is above 20k.
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Well, a lot of Chinese are surprised why this tournament is considered as premium.
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China6282 Posts
I wouldnt disagree moving it back to major.
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IMO the production alone deserves to be consider premium though, not to mention the amount of viewership it had globally, especially in China.
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On June 17 2019 01:40 osliang wrote: IMO the production alone deserves to be consider premium though, not to mention the amount of viewership it had globally, especially in China.
It might be fine, but why wouldn't HSC or Hangzhou be Premier then?
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On June 17 2019 01:46 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2019 01:40 osliang wrote: IMO the production alone deserves to be consider premium though, not to mention the amount of viewership it had globally, especially in China. It might be fine, but why wouldn't HSC or Hangzhou be Premier then? hangzhou tournament was a little of a mess with rock paper scissors for first map pick and no vetoes, no soundproofing on stage, etc
and only paid out to top3/ less players overall
homestory with 20k prize pool was always classified as premier until last one, so maybe just a mistake there
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On June 17 2019 01:21 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2019 00:20 osliang wrote:On June 16 2019 23:58 Elentos wrote: Liquipedia considers this a Premier tournament? The hell? Premier Tournaments offer an outstanding prize pool, are frequently played out offline, and feature the best players from all over the world. They are commonly held by well-established franchises and are considered especially prestigious amongst the community. It's got a solid prize pool, it's played offline, GPL is a relatively well-known series of tournaments. But it definitely doesn't feature best players from all over the world or is considered particularly prestigious among the community. And 14 out of 16 attendees were invited too. Quite honestly this tournament's main appeal is that its prize pool is above 20k. The majority of players actually got there by accumulating points in official tournaments like WCS qualifier/challenger or GPC monthlies. The only problem is the overall quality of players.
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On June 17 2019 02:15 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2019 01:46 Xain0n wrote:On June 17 2019 01:40 osliang wrote: IMO the production alone deserves to be consider premium though, not to mention the amount of viewership it had globally, especially in China. It might be fine, but why wouldn't HSC or Hangzhou be Premier then? hangzhou tournament was a little of a mess with rock paper scissors for first map pick and no vetoes, no soundproofing on stage, etc and only paid out to top3/ less players overall homestory with 20k prize pool was always classified as premier until last one, so maybe just a mistake there
Thanks for making me notice that! I agree with Digmouse, I am not sure there were enough top players to consider GPC a Premier event.
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I never understood why people care so much about totally arbitrary liquipedia labels. The players, prizepool, format, etc, are all independent of such labels and they remain unchanged no matter what liquipedia happens to say. WCS is not GSL no matter what their labels are, nor are different HSCs any greater or lesser because of it.
You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same.
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Yeah, there is no way this is a Premier event, not even close... I mean there were only 5 good players (Innovation, Solar, Scarlett, Special and TIME), period.
On the other hand it's great to see how SC2 is growing on China and all these events like both team leagues, next, Gold, etc. Really happy for this.
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On June 17 2019 06:38 pvsnp wrote: I never understood why people care so much about totally arbitrary liquipedia labels. The players, prizepool, format, etc, are all independent of such labels and they remain unchanged no matter what liquipedia happens to say. WCS is not GSL no matter what their labels are, nor are different HSCs any greater or lesser because of it.
You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same.
Once the totally arbitrary criteria are decided, one would imagine they are going to be respected; consistency is what we are discussing here.
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On June 17 2019 06:45 Elmonti wrote: there were only 5 good players (Innovation, Solar, Scarlett, Special and TIME), period.
Chinese players: That really hurts... iAsonu: Am I still not good enough after beating Solar and Special?
lmao
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United States32487 Posts
seems very clearly 'major' or less to me, but I dare not invoke the wrath of the liquipedia cabal :o
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On June 17 2019 06:47 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2019 06:38 pvsnp wrote: I never understood why people care so much about totally arbitrary liquipedia labels. The players, prizepool, format, etc, are all independent of such labels and they remain unchanged no matter what liquipedia happens to say. WCS is not GSL no matter what their labels are, nor are different HSCs any greater or lesser because of it.
You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same. Once the totally arbitrary criteria are decided, one would imagine they are going to be respected; consistency is what we are discussing here.
But as others pointed out, they are already highly inconsistent. Different HSCs are labelled differently, WCS is labelled the same as GSL, etc. Arguing over this particular tournament is just closing the stable after the horse has bolted. In any case, the change to Premier was made by CynicalDeath (the guy who basically runs the wiki) and I'd rather not cross him by changing it back. It's just one more inconsistency among many.
Speaking of the wiki though, the Achievements table has this tournament dated as 2018-06-16 instead of 2019-06-16. I can't for the life of me find out how or where this Achievements table can be edited, but somebody who does know might want to fix that.
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On June 17 2019 09:07 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2019 06:47 Xain0n wrote:On June 17 2019 06:38 pvsnp wrote: I never understood why people care so much about totally arbitrary liquipedia labels. The players, prizepool, format, etc, are all independent of such labels and they remain unchanged no matter what liquipedia happens to say. WCS is not GSL no matter what their labels are, nor are different HSCs any greater or lesser because of it.
You can call a duck a horse, but it will still quack all the same. Once the totally arbitrary criteria are decided, one would imagine they are going to be respected; consistency is what we are discussing here. But as others pointed out, they are already highly inconsistent. Different HSCs are labelled differently, WCS is labelled the same as GSL, etc. Arguing over this particular tournament is just closing the stable after the horse has bolted. In any case, the change to Premier was made by CynicalDeath (the guy who basically runs the wiki) and I'd rather not cross him by changing it back. It's just one more inconsistency among many. Speaking of the wiki though, the Achievements table has this tournament dated as 2018-06-16 instead of 2019-06-16. I can't for the life of me find out how or where this Achievements table can be edited, but somebody who does know might want to fix that.
There are inconsistencies, both Majors being labeled as Premiers(of the HSCs, XVIII alone not being Premier is a big question mark, to me; NEO SL 2016, definitely looks like a Premier tournament;the GFinity G3 Bunny won, even if maybe only 12 people doesn't cut the mark, just as for Hangzhou Carnival; Campus Party Europe 2012, I believe it could be a Premier; LG Cinema 3D Special League 2011, also unclear to me why it is a Major) and Premiers which may be Major(mostly the tournament we are discussing of and the two SSL Challenge in 2017: few players, very low prize and a being a lower division of a more prestigious tournament; Code A in 2011 was at least a more crowded competition). Out of 500/600 non minor Sc2 tournaments, I would not say there are many dubious cases; in any of case, Liquipedia is not immutable, I think those can be discussed and, if necessary, modified.
WCS events being Premier as much as GSL ones is not and cannot be inconsistency, on the other hand.
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considering thar NSL 2016 international which has a much larger prize pool and more top-tier foreign players is still a major, I would definately agree GPC 2019 is a major tournament
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