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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 19 2019 14:19 GMT
#301
On May 19 2019 23:17 Parrek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:15 Yonnua wrote:
TIME keeps holding, but he's not really surviving.


This is like reverse TvZ. I've seen so many games where the zerg is just pinned in their base just hoping to stay alive and never able to counter. Basically an extended death animation

That's basically just regular TvZ post a 2/2 push.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 19 2019 14:19 GMT
#302
On May 19 2019 23:18 Need wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of

It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.


I mean the game was long over... He could've used anything to end it

The Dark way of 120 banes would have made him leave faster surely.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
May 19 2019 14:19 GMT
#303
So far, everything has gone as expected. If goblin wins though, that would be truly remarkable
Year of MaxPax
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 19 2019 14:19 GMT
#304
On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of

It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.


It feels like a strategy that is all about momentum and snowballing - if it can be pounced on initially, it could be blunted, but nevertheless cool to see Serral use that strategy
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12618 Posts
May 19 2019 14:19 GMT
#305
On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of

It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.

Only because serral has complete map control and economy dominance.

That's why he didn't just rush ultras even when he had the tech, but stayed ling baneling hydra for a while.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
May 19 2019 14:20 GMT
#306
Time is a sick player, he can achieve much.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 19 2019 14:20 GMT
#307
On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of

It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.

It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago.

I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26218 Posts
May 19 2019 14:22 GMT
#308
On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of

It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.

I think it’s stronger in the lategame than with risky allies

Just seems the perfect way to keep poking until you get a way in and it keeps you from a Terran being able to weather full frontal assaults while building to Ghost Terran and chipping you down.

Serral kept on sniping the depots blocking entry to the natural, so he had the choice to relocate his forces and attack the left planetary, shave off lings and run by via the natural, or jump on the production

Again the mystery is that we [/i]don’t[/i] see this frequently employed.

You take Zerg’s speed and vision advantage in lategame and basically add teleporting to it
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-19 14:24:03
May 19 2019 14:23 GMT
#309
On May 19 2019 23:20 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of

It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.

It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago.

I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here.


It's really not that good. You take bad trades because of sim city, but it works if you're already very far ahead and helps if your multitasking is notably better than the opponent's
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 19 2019 14:25 GMT
#310
i like reynor but I would love to see goblin do this


(but he wont)
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 19 2019 14:25 GMT
#311
On May 19 2019 23:23 Need wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:20 Fango wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of

It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.

It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago.

I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here.


It's really not that good. You take bad trades because of sim city, but it works if you're already very far ahead and helps if your multitasking is notably better than the opponent's

Also TIME had cloaked ghosts which were really efficient at defending the nydus attacks.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-19 14:27:47
May 19 2019 14:26 GMT
#312
On May 19 2019 23:23 Need wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:20 Fango wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of

It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.

It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago.

I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here.


It's really not that good. You take bad trades because of sim city, but it works if you're already very far ahead and helps if your multitasking is notably better than the opponent's

You don't just have to nydus the main. Being able to telelport your army in the lategame means you can almost pick and choose to attack wherever you can take a good trade. You can relocate faster than any terran set up can. Especially if terran is trying to get past five bases where they will naturally start to struggle to hold them all.

If it starts to snowball it would be very difficult for the terran to recover unless you deny all vision getting in.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 19 2019 14:26 GMT
#313
On May 19 2019 23:25 travis wrote:
i like reynor but I would love to see goblin do this


(but he wont)

Never count the race with immortals out.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 19 2019 14:27 GMT
#314
It's amazing how the perspective of Serral losing hypens people up in LR threads here on Team Liquid.

Serral didn't like to use Nydus when it was op, now he seems obsessed with it xd

It would be great for Serral to beat Reynor and Neeb, usually hard opponents for him, to lift the WCS trophy again.
FBTsingLoong
Profile Joined April 2018
China410 Posts
May 19 2019 14:28 GMT
#315
The last game reminds me of the last mission in Wings of Liberty.
TyInnoMaruByunAlive,TIMBA
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
May 19 2019 14:31 GMT
#316
I'd like for us to end on a WCS final we've never had before.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
May 19 2019 14:31 GMT
#317
No expectations on goblin here, but that also means he has nothing to lose. I'm expecting this match to be fast and bloody from both sides.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
May 19 2019 14:31 GMT
#318
Idk if it's super super good but I see no reason to not get a nydus network in the late game, it's not that expensive and it's potential utility greatly outweighs the cost once you're on 4+ bases.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
May 19 2019 14:31 GMT
#319
Reynor is 23–11 (67.65%) in games and 9–4 (69.23%) in matches against goblin
I Protoss winner, could it be?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26218 Posts
May 19 2019 14:32 GMT
#320
On May 19 2019 23:23 Need wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2019 23:20 Fango wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:
On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote:
Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of

It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.

It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago.

I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here.


It's really not that good. You take bad trades because of sim city, but it works if you're already very far ahead and helps if your multitasking is notably better than the opponent's

It’s still an unexplored area, mystifyingly so in my opinion as it’s potentially a very powerful tool. Especially in just picking away and stopping transitions into ghost lategame, or perhaps vs non battlemech as well.

It may require a tempo advantage to pull off, but plenty of legit strategies do tend to need that.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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