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On May 19 2019 23:17 Parrek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:15 Yonnua wrote: TIME keeps holding, but he's not really surviving. This is like reverse TvZ. I've seen so many games where the zerg is just pinned in their base just hoping to stay alive and never able to counter. Basically an extended death animation That's basically just regular TvZ post a 2/2 push.
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On May 19 2019 23:18 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally. I mean the game was long over... He could've used anything to end it The Dark way of 120 banes would have made him leave faster surely.
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So far, everything has gone as expected. If goblin wins though, that would be truly remarkable
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On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally.
It feels like a strategy that is all about momentum and snowballing - if it can be pounced on initially, it could be blunted, but nevertheless cool to see Serral use that strategy
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On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally. Only because serral has complete map control and economy dominance.
That's why he didn't just rush ultras even when he had the tech, but stayed ling baneling hydra for a while.
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Time is a sick player, he can achieve much.
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On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally. It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago. I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here.
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On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally. I think it’s stronger in the lategame than with risky allies
Just seems the perfect way to keep poking until you get a way in and it keeps you from a Terran being able to weather full frontal assaults while building to Ghost Terran and chipping you down.
Serral kept on sniping the depots blocking entry to the natural, so he had the choice to relocate his forces and attack the left planetary, shave off lings and run by via the natural, or jump on the production
Again the mystery is that we [/i]don’t[/i] see this frequently employed.
You take Zerg’s speed and vision advantage in lategame and basically add teleporting to it
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On May 19 2019 23:20 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally. It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago. I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here.
It's really not that good. You take bad trades because of sim city, but it works if you're already very far ahead and helps if your multitasking is notably better than the opponent's
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i like reynor but I would love to see goblin do this
(but he wont)
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On May 19 2019 23:23 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:20 Fango wrote:On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally. It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago. I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here. It's really not that good. You take bad trades because of sim city, but it works if you're already very far ahead and helps if your multitasking is notably better than the opponent's Also TIME had cloaked ghosts which were really efficient at defending the nydus attacks.
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On May 19 2019 23:23 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:20 Fango wrote:On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally. It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago. I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here. It's really not that good. You take bad trades because of sim city, but it works if you're already very far ahead and helps if your multitasking is notably better than the opponent's You don't just have to nydus the main. Being able to telelport your army in the lategame means you can almost pick and choose to attack wherever you can take a good trade. You can relocate faster than any terran set up can. Especially if terran is trying to get past five bases where they will naturally start to struggle to hold them all.
If it starts to snowball it would be very difficult for the terran to recover unless you deny all vision getting in.
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On May 19 2019 23:25 travis wrote: i like reynor but I would love to see goblin do this
(but he wont) Never count the race with immortals out.
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It's amazing how the perspective of Serral losing hypens people up in LR threads here on Team Liquid.
Serral didn't like to use Nydus when it was op, now he seems obsessed with it xd
It would be great for Serral to beat Reynor and Neeb, usually hard opponents for him, to lift the WCS trophy again.
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The last game reminds me of the last mission in Wings of Liberty.
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I'd like for us to end on a WCS final we've never had before.
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No expectations on goblin here, but that also means he has nothing to lose. I'm expecting this match to be fast and bloody from both sides.
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Idk if it's super super good but I see no reason to not get a nydus network in the late game, it's not that expensive and it's potential utility greatly outweighs the cost once you're on 4+ bases.
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Reynor is 23–11 (67.65%) in games and 9–4 (69.23%) in matches against goblin
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On May 19 2019 23:23 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2019 23:20 Fango wrote:On May 19 2019 23:18 Ej_ wrote:On May 19 2019 23:17 Fango wrote:On May 19 2019 23:15 Wombat_NI wrote: Serral finally using lategame Nydus in a way I’ve really been mystified that Zergs haven’t been doing all that much of It's shocking how imba nydus spam looks especially when it seems like we've never even seen a zerg actually do it optimally. It's shocking how strong something can look when your opponent should've left the game 8 minutes ago. I wasn't just refering to this game. Serral didn't even do it particuarlly efficiently here. It's really not that good. You take bad trades because of sim city, but it works if you're already very far ahead and helps if your multitasking is notably better than the opponent's It’s still an unexplored area, mystifyingly so in my opinion as it’s potentially a very powerful tool. Especially in just picking away and stopping transitions into ghost lategame, or perhaps vs non battlemech as well.
It may require a tempo advantage to pull off, but plenty of legit strategies do tend to need that.
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