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Group Stage: Double-elimination group stage. All matches are Bo3. Top 8 advance to the final Playoffs. Playoffs: Single-elimination playoffs. All matches are Bo5, except for the Finals, which are Bo7. Top 4 advance to the Main Event.
What a horrendous game by Harstem. Do nothing with your deathball for most of a 46 minute game and still manage to egregiously fuck up your control several times.
On April 21 2019 03:55 Tucku wrote: When will they find casters who will talk about the game more than themselves?
One of the reasons why i mostly watch korean tournaments, Tastosis is doing such a good job over there and we get this shitwhow of tournament casting over here.
Think that really hurts the overall quality of WCS. We have such great players and then this :-/
They are probably not gonna change their style anyways.
On April 21 2019 03:55 Tucku wrote: When will they find casters who will talk about the game more than themselves?
One of the reasons why i mostly watch korean tournaments, Tastosis is doing such a good job over there and we get this shitwhow of tournament casting over here.
Think that really hurts the overall quality of WCS. We have such great players and then this :-/
They are probably not gonna change their style anyways.
You're going too far but I am somehow agree, would be nice to have rotti at least.
Did WCS Winter grant Reynor a direct spot for BlizzCon? I would be happy to see Moro...ehm MarineLord do well again, Showtime is kind of slumping in 2019.
Not sure about the relation of being scared of getting proxied and reacting poorly to a BC rush opening though to be honest. I mean after he knew there was no proxy, why was his lair so late, where were the upgrades?
On April 21 2019 23:59 Elentos wrote: Not sure about the relation of being scared of getting proxied and reacting poorly to a BC rush opening though to be honest. I mean after he knew there was no proxy, why was his lair so late, where were the upgrades?
He probably got thrown off his game having to play different opening and being scared of his opponent. There was no reason to sacrifice the initial 4 lings either, so maybe young Reynor was a bit in distress for the rest of the series after that game1.
Reynor was probably hoping to 4-0 his group like his big bro yesterday, so losing the first game can be painful
Rogue can pull off ling/bane into ultras against the best Terrans in the world. The strategy is perfectly fine if you can actually execute it well, which was not the case for Lambo in that game. He was behind from the first hellion runby...
On April 28 2019 01:28 JoeCool wrote: Wait, what? Negative armor is a thing?
Yeah, raven missile always adds -3 armor, it can go into negatives.
Wow, I've been watching SC2 since the beginning but never heard that before. Maybe I should start playing again...
It's a fairly new ability (added last year) and only raven can do that (+ that spell is honestly not used that often before endgame). Also only raven can affect unit armor so it's not really common :D
Late game TvZ will always be auto win for Zerg as long as Terran doesn't have non-siege splash. Maru's raven builds last year in WESG were the peak of Terran design in SC2 history and were NOT overpowered. (Dark showed how to beat it: Starve it out)
On April 28 2019 02:52 Boggyb wrote: Late game TvZ will always be auto win for Zerg as long as Terran doesn't have non-siege splash. Maru's raven builds last year in WESG were the peak of Terran design in SC2 history and were NOT overpowered. (Dark showed how to beat it: Starve it out)
I think you chose the worst possible match to unvent about that.
not to mention Korean Terrans saying that lategame is Terran-favored atm...
On April 28 2019 02:52 Boggyb wrote: Late game TvZ will always be auto win for Zerg as long as Terran doesn't have non-siege splash. Maru's raven builds last year in WESG were the peak of Terran design in SC2 history and were NOT overpowered. (Dark showed how to beat it: Starve it out)
On April 28 2019 01:28 JoeCool wrote: Wait, what? Negative armor is a thing?
Yeah, raven missile always adds -3 armor, it can go into negatives.
Wow, I've been watching SC2 since the beginning but never heard that before. Maybe I should start playing again...
It's a fairly new ability (added last year) and only raven can do that (+ that spell is honestly not used that often before endgame). Also only raven can affect unit armor so it's not really common :D
Yeah I know about the ability but I thought that 0 is the absolute minimum armor.
This is hilarious. SC2HL needs to make montage with souLs nukes.
On April 28 2019 02:43 Need wrote: Lambo has this match
Maybe not...
Yeah soul has a nice late game TvZ... He beats Serral with this sometimes too, but I think Lambo can still win. But Jesus I never seen a worse nuke defense in an official game
Edit: Welp, didn't happen. gg soul for getting some good results. Not gonna lie, I'm more excited about Serral vs souL than Serral vs Lambo
On May 04 2019 21:54 Boggyb wrote: Even Nathanias gives uThermal no chance in a TvZ against Reynor. What does that say about the state of the matchup?
Nothing at all, Reynor just seems way ahead of uThermal judging from recent results(personally, I am not that convinced it will be as easy as they think it will be).
ZG and Feardragon just mentioned that Zerg players (a defensive/reactive race) aren't even really committing much to scout (a single overlord or a ling). What does that say about the state of the matchup?
uThermal didnt even need to show his battle mech strats, which he quite possibly has. Proxy rax continues to work well, even if the execution was pretty lackluster - but the reapers did great.
On May 04 2019 22:52 HolydaKing wrote: uThermal didnt even need to show his battle mech strats, which he quite possibly has. Proxy rax continues to work well, even if the execution was pretty lackluster - but the reapers did great.
It is hard to say that proxy rax worked well since it did nothing (positive) in game 2 and Reynor was mentally gone by game 4.
What does that say about the state of the matchup?
That was an interrogative statement. "Said" is usually used when asking about declarative statements while "asked" is typically used when asking about interrogative statements.
I guess the problem with proxy raxing so much is that once u end up in a late game situation you cant actually close out a game, even if ure ahead, cuz u didnt practice for it
On May 05 2019 01:34 Geo.Rion wrote: I guess the problem with proxy raxing so much is that once u end up in a late game situation you cant actually close out a game, even if ure ahead, cuz u didnt practice for it
Agreed - Uthermal has never practiced lategame TvZ...
On May 05 2019 01:34 Geo.Rion wrote: I guess the problem with proxy raxing so much is that once u end up in a late game situation you cant actually close out a game, even if ure ahead, cuz u didnt practice for it
Agreed - Uthermal has never practiced lategame TvZ...
I mean it did look like it LOL
He could've even closed the 4th game out by right clicking the hive.
On May 05 2019 01:34 Geo.Rion wrote: I guess the problem with proxy raxing so much is that once u end up in a late game situation you cant actually close out a game, even if ure ahead, cuz u didnt practice for it
maybe watch a game with only the Terran vision and then talk, thanks
I feel like uthermal could have made a third cc after his good defense and he would have been in a great spot, because Serral had to sacrifice the gold, hence losing production and mining time, and his third was really late, but I understand that Serral's late game is incredible hence the multiple 2 bases pushes. Still a good showing from the dutch terran.
On May 05 2019 01:48 fastr wrote: I feel like uthermal could have made a third cc after his good defense and he would have been in a great spot, because Serral had to sacrifice the gold, hence losing production and mining time, and his third was really late, but I understand that Serral's late game is incredible hence the multiple 2 bases pushes. Still a good showing from the dutch terran.
On May 05 2019 01:48 fastr wrote: I feel like uthermal could have made a third cc after his good defense and he would have been in a great spot, because Serral had to sacrifice the gold, hence losing production and mining time, and his third was really late, but I understand that Serral's late game is incredible hence the multiple 2 bases pushes. Still a good showing from the dutch terran.
His 3rd was covered in Creep though
Sure, but if he scans and clear the tumors as he moves out it's a ~30 sec delay at most, his 3rd would still be ahead of Serral.
edit: Good to see elazer and showtime in the ro4, they both had a great 2017 and disappointing 2018, seems they've been on a good run lately. I hope showtime will spare us a zvz final
uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
He beat reynor 3-1 on the back of amazing marine control and this is what you come up with? Serral will make anyone look bad. I would argue that uthermal has the best marine control in the world after Maru. The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
He beat reynor 3-1 on the back of amazing marine control and this is what you come up with? Serral will make anyone look bad. I would argue that uthermal has the best marine control in the world after Maru. The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
But you're forgetting that IshinShishi is 25-0 vs Serral and 80-0 vs uThermal and thus looks down on every non korean player.
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
Dont wanna sound rude, but its because u obviously dont understand the game very well.
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
He beat reynor 3-1 on the back of amazing marine control and this is what you come up with? Serral will make anyone look bad. I would argue that uthermal has the best marine control in the world after Maru. The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
especially considering his multitasking was just insane in the 3rd game.
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
He beat reynor 3-1 on the back of amazing marine control and this is what you come up with? Serral will make anyone look bad. I would argue that uthermal has the best marine control in the world after Maru. The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
Reynor lost at least one game because of terrible army comp having more hydras than banelings vs mostly pure marine/medivac , I watched that series and there wasn't any splitting worthy of note, he was also stutter stepping into range of slow lings in one of his games and lost because of it.
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
He beat reynor 3-1 on the back of amazing marine control and this is what you come up with? Serral will make anyone look bad. I would argue that uthermal has the best marine control in the world after Maru. The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
Reynor lost at least one game because of terrible army comp having more hydras than banelings vs mostly pure marine/medivac , I watched that series and there wasn't any splitting worthy of note, he was also stutter stepping into range of slow lings in one of his games and lost because of it.
I'm just gonna assume this is a troll for my own sanity
God I love when protoss barely defends against zerg timing pushes, showtime you sexy little defensive protoss slut
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
uthermal is the least respectful progamer active right now, so i dont really feel bad for him when he loses. And as far as i can tell, it was only me poking fun at him, and one other poster saying he looked bad, so i dont think we re approaching unreal levels quite yet.
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
He beat reynor 3-1 on the back of amazing marine control and this is what you come up with? Serral will make anyone look bad. I would argue that uthermal has the best marine control in the world after Maru. The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
Reynor lost at least one game because of terrible army comp having more hydras than banelings vs mostly pure marine/medivac , I watched that series and there wasn't any splitting worthy of note, he was also stutter stepping into range of slow lings in one of his games and lost because of it.
Foreigners just suck, even Serral is bad. There was one game where Serral let a tank shot hit more than one ling what can happen maybe in bronze league but certainly not at pro level. Tired of watching those amateurs - I'm gonna queue up a ladder game and show how it's done now instead.
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
uthermal is the least respectful progamer active right now, so i dont really feel bad for him when he loses. And as far as i can tell, it was only me poking fun at him, and one other poster saying he looked bad, so i dont think we re approaching unreal levels quite yet.
I don't even want to begin to imagine how you think uThermal is disrespectful. You are actually insane.
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
uthermal is the least respectful progamer active right now, so i dont really feel bad for him when he loses. And as far as i can tell, it was only me poking fun at him, and one other poster saying he looked bad, so i dont think we re approaching unreal levels quite yet.
I don't even want to begin to imagine how you think uThermal is disrespectful. You are actually insane.
Well, he does quit more games with "xd" than "gg".
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
uthermal is the least respectful progamer active right now, so i dont really feel bad for him when he loses. And as far as i can tell, it was only me poking fun at him, and one other poster saying he looked bad, so i dont think we re approaching unreal levels quite yet.
I don't even want to begin to imagine how you think uThermal is disrespectful. You are actually insane.
Might have to do with his long history of interesting ways of typing gg and rich twitter feed
On May 05 2019 02:17 IshinShishi wrote: uthermal looked so bad compared to kr terrans, just pretty subpar marine control and general micro, how does he have 7k+ mmr? I am really so confused he has so much success with terran
The amount of disrespect to uthermal is unreal tonight.
uthermal is the least respectful progamer active right now, so i dont really feel bad for him when he loses. And as far as i can tell, it was only me poking fun at him, and one other poster saying he looked bad, so i dont think we re approaching unreal levels quite yet.
I don't even want to begin to imagine how you think uThermal is disrespectful. You are actually insane.
I watched him multiple time in streamed tournament games against the top of the top lose and exit without GG or type in something about balance or something like xD I dont watch every game and i've seen him do this multiple times against people like Rouge, Serral etc. so against ppl you really shouldnt be mad when you lose to.
And that's just what pops into my mind right now. He might be nice IRL, you probably know him, i dont, but based on what i've seen from him online, I stand by what I wrote.
On May 05 2019 03:04 Charoisaur wrote: Showtime looks like the superior player
Ehhh, showtime had a great defense against that timing attack, I think Serral still has a solid advantage if both play straight up. Hope to see a close series nonetheless
On May 05 2019 04:05 Kimb3r wrote: Why didnt ShowTime attack when he had 20 supply more than Serral???
I think you are talking about the moment when Serral traded away some of his roaches at Showtimes third. Serral had set up a stellar defense so Showtime probably couldn't have mounted a good enough attack. He even attacked when Serral had like 30 supply in Showtimes base, and still couldn't finish Serral off!
On May 05 2019 04:05 Kimb3r wrote: Why didnt ShowTime attack when he had 20 supply more than Serral???
I think you are talking about the moment when Serral traded away some of his roaches at Showtimes third. Serral had set up a stellar defense so Showtime probably couldn't have mounted a good enough attack. He even attacked when Serral had like 30 supply in Showtimes base, and still couldn't finish Serral off!
He had plenty of time to hit before the lurker, it was his best shot by far, hard to tell of course.
I really don't know if the WP alucination was a missclick or a trick, but it seemed to be the reason he didn't push.
On May 05 2019 04:05 Kimb3r wrote: Why didnt ShowTime attack when he had 20 supply more than Serral???
I think you are talking about the moment when Serral traded away some of his roaches at Showtimes third. Serral had set up a stellar defense so Showtime probably couldn't have mounted a good enough attack. He even attacked when Serral had like 30 supply in Showtimes base, and still couldn't finish Serral off!
He had plenty of time to hit before the lurker, it was his best shot by far, hard to tell of course.
It may be so! Maybe he should have hallucinated some phoenix for scouting instead :-)
On May 05 2019 04:31 DBooN wrote: Is serral - dare I say it - back?!
I'd say he was never gone. I mean he only lost to Innovation and soO the two eventual champions of the tournament he entered. And he was the only player who actually came close to defeating them.
On May 05 2019 04:31 DBooN wrote: Is serral - dare I say it - back?!
I'd say he was never gone. I mean he only lost to Innovation and soO the two eventual champions of the tournament he entered. And he was the only player who actually came close to defeating them.
On May 05 2019 04:31 DBooN wrote: Is serral - dare I say it - back?!
I'd say he was never gone. I mean he only lost to Innovation and soO the two eventual champions of the tournament he entered. And he was the only player who actually came close to defeating them.
Yeah let's pretend WCS Winter never happened.
Be a little charitable, he lost 3-4 to Reynor who played extremely well. If that was a sign of Serral slumping... I mean I guess slumping for Serral means only placing second. So yeah...
On May 05 2019 04:31 DBooN wrote: Is serral - dare I say it - back?!
I'd say he was never gone. I mean he only lost to Innovation and soO the two eventual champions of the tournament he entered. And he was the only player who actually came close to defeating them.
Yeah let's pretend WCS Winter never happened.
Be a little charitable, he lost 3-4 to Reynor who played extremely well. If that was a sign of Serral slumping... I mean I guess slumping for Serral means only placing second. So yeah...
I think he's referring to serral losing to reynor and HM in the ro8. Anyway, even if you include all of serral's losses to soo, inno, neeb, reynor, heromarine... i don't think he was ever gone
All of the matches that serral lost were taken to last game and really, really close. not that he lost in some silly way. he took their opponents to last game and it ended with them winning the whole thing. being 2nd & 3rd/4th is what i wouldn't call a slump even after such a year.
On May 05 2019 17:37 NotSoHappy wrote: All of the matches that serral lost were taken to last game and really, really close. not that he lost in some silly way. he took their opponents to last game and it ended with them winning the whole thing. being 2nd & 3rd/4th is what i wouldn't call a slump even after such a year.
it isn't a slump by any means - it's just a reality check for Serral fanboys who thought he's unbeatable.
On May 05 2019 17:37 NotSoHappy wrote: All of the matches that serral lost were taken to last game and really, really close. not that he lost in some silly way. he took their opponents to last game and it ended with them winning the whole thing. being 2nd & 3rd/4th is what i wouldn't call a slump even after such a year.
it isn't a slump by any means - it's just a reality check for Serral fanboys who thought he's unbeatable.
The salt in your language is palpable. Some people are delusional about the skill of a player; it happens. Now where did I see that a few pages back ;-)
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