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Poll: WCS Winter 2019 EU Champion Reynor (22) Serral (21) HeRoMaRinE (8) Lambo (3) Elazer (0) PtitDrogo (0) 54 total votes Your vote: WCS Winter 2019 EU Champion (Vote): Elazer | ||
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Myrddrael
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HolydaKing
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
 Elazer 2-3 Lambo PtitDrogo 2-3 LamboSerral 3-1 LamboSerral 3-1  HeRoMaRinEReynor 2-4 Serral | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On April 07 2019 11:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Elazer 2-3 LamboPtitDrogo 2-3 LamboSerral 3-1 LamboSerral 3-1 HeRoMaRinEReynor 2-4 Serralso much zerg T_T it's likely that half of the matches will be ZvZ and all of the matches will probably include a zerg | ||
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sudete
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HolydaKing
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On April 07 2019 14:01 Die4Ever wrote: so much zerg T_T it's likely that half of the matches will be ZvZ and all of the matches will probably include a zerg Pretty much assures half of the matches will be much more exciting than Neeb vs Scarlett then  . I honestly expect a lot of must sees today, Serral vs Lambo/Reynor has brought spectacular games this and last year and Serral might even lose to HeRoMaRinE in another great series if HeRoMaRinE is showing up in a top shape and Serral doesn't have improved. | ||
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sudete
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Boggyb
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On April 08 2019 00:19 sudete wrote: Starting somewhat on schedule today. Get in here! With all the Zzzzs, people are sleeping. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 08 2019 00:35 StabiloBoss20 wrote: Why are the EU finals in Los Angeles? Weird. They wanted to do it in Shanghai but turn out it's in NA. Seriously tho, I image it's less complicated to flew in the player than to get another crew-studio and casters in Europe. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
edit: thanks for fixing! | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 08 2019 00:36 Nakajin wrote: They wanted to do it in Shanghai but turn out it's in NA. Seriously tho, I image it's less complicated to flew in the player than to get another crew-studio and casters in Europe. By less complicated, you mean cheaper. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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Doko
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Well yes Also Lambo doing the comeback! | ||
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HolydaKing
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Yes indeed! Nice.  | ||
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Boggyb
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Rob-Zero
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William paradise
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sudete
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starkiller123
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starkiller123
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HolydaKing
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On April 08 2019 01:30 starkiller123 wrote: Nice ZvZ, I hope drogo plays well Agreed, but I want to see Lambo win so he plays against Serral. | ||
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William paradise
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On April 08 2019 01:31 starkiller123 wrote: I also wish NA players were less boring when they are interviewed, I swear all the EU players have twice the personality yea your not wrong about that lambo needs to give lessons | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 01:38 HolydaKing wrote: Agreed, but I want to see Lambo win so he plays against Serral. Yeah I agree that would be the better match, 3-2 for Lambo would be nice | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 01:38 William paradise wrote: yea your not wrong about that lambo needs to give lessons Any of the EU players here could give lessons outside of Serral and probably heromarine | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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yht9657
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On April 08 2019 01:41 starkiller123 wrote: Any of the EU players here could give lessons outside of Serral and probably heromarine Why not heromarine? Being salty at all times is still better than having no personality at all. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 01:45 yht9657 wrote: Why not heromarine? Being salty at all times is still better than having no personality at all. I agree but a region full of heromarines sounds like a little much | ||
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Heartland
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Nakajin
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fastr
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yht9657
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Ej_
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On April 08 2019 01:55 fastr wrote: Was lambo greedy or detection at each base not standard against archon drop? Didn't see the game, but the prefered response by Zerg is to get overseer and no spores. Now, if it was 4:26 or faster DT drop, which is a rarer version where Proton cuts some corners, it isn't unusual to catch Zerg without any detection On April 08 2019 01:55 yht9657 wrote: I think last time I saw a Zerg dies to archon drop was in 2017 It was actually Reynor dying to Drogo's 4:20 drop at WESG :D | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Didn't read it completely tbh. | ||
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yht9657
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On April 08 2019 01:57 Ej_ wrote: Didn't see the game, but the prefered response by Zerg is to get overseer and no spores. Now, if it was 4:26 or faster DT drop, which is a rarer version where Proton cuts some corners, it isn't unusual to catch Zerg without any detection It was actually Reynor dying to Drogo's 4:20 drop at WESG :D Well I sure missed that one... guess Drogo is just too good at it. | ||
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sudete
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Need
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On April 08 2019 01:55 fastr wrote: Was lambo greedy or detection at each base not standard against archon drop? He just clumped up his drones against archons in mineral line and lost like 15. From there it was downhill cause he had to use his resources and larva to replenish drones On April 08 2019 01:57 Nakajin wrote: Drogo wrote about his faster dt-archon build he killed Reynor with at WESG in his blog, maybe it was this one? Didn't read it completely tbh. It wasn't. That's a 4:20 DT, but he delayed his shrine cause he had lings in his base, and he didn't even bother harassing with DTs before he got lucky with the harass. | ||
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TheDougler
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Boggyb
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HolydaKing
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On April 08 2019 02:18 Boggyb wrote: I think Drogo forgot that Banelings survive a full storm. Yeah that was a pretty weak move. | ||
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djraphi23
France2262 Posts
Very weak from Drogo. | ||
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Need
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Boggyb
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Elentos
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Need
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On April 08 2019 02:33 Boggyb wrote: Did Drogo just forget that his warp prism can pick up guys? Why let the locusts shoot your guys including expensive gas ones? He was probably looking somewhere else... Between hunting for other nydus worms, teching to DTs, and harassing lambo's main, microing every unit is not easy | ||
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Boggyb
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edit: Why am I not surprised that feardragon knows DT damage breakpoints? | ||
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yht9657
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Waxangel
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Anc13nt
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Need
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 08 2019 02:31 Need wrote: This is already so much better than the NA games yesterday. At least this looks like StarCraft and the plays are sane and the games make sense The NA FFA will outclass the EU FFA for sure. | ||
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Serimek
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Boggyb
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On April 08 2019 02:55 yht9657 wrote: Drogo's PVZ continues to impress, hope he puts up a fight vs Serral. I think his PvZ ranged from good to horrid in that series. I feel like Serral 3-0 is the most likely result. | ||
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Shathe
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On April 08 2019 03:06 Shathe wrote: Drogo finally achiveing something. I'll have you know he won the most stacked DH of all time | ||
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Waxangel
United States33397 Posts
On April 08 2019 02:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The NA FFA will outclass the EU FFA for sure. ugh you reminded me that someone at blizzard thought it would be 'fun' to have a game that virtually guarantees scarlett will turtle on hive units D: | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
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DBooN
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ZigguratOfUr
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Ej_
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On April 08 2019 03:25 DBooN wrote: I think it would've been fine if he didn't move command over the lurkers? Move commanding over lurkers is usually not the optimal play. | ||
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Anc13nt
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Need
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yht9657
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deacon.frost
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On April 08 2019 03:28 yht9657 wrote: Somehow Drogo decided to move out with all the tech units on creep when he's supposed to defend at home Full foreigner?  | ||
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Penev
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On April 08 2019 03:26 Anc13nt wrote: Wow he just got hulk smashed. puny dragon | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
A petite one even | ||
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Need
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On April 08 2019 03:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I don't get what that was supposed to do even if Drogo didn't lose the warp prism. 4 DTs to fast snipe the third like he did with Reynor | ||
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Ej_
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On April 08 2019 03:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I don't get what that was supposed to do even if Drogo didn't lose the warp prism. Bait the overseer into the main and kill the 3rd hatchery. But Serral's a baller and he left 1 overseer at every base to anticipate exactly that. | ||
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HolydaKing
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Boggyb
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 08 2019 03:35 Boggyb wrote: A dead dragon in this game. Now a sad dragon | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 08 2019 03:38 Ej_ wrote: Bait the overseer into the main and kill the 3rd hatchery. But Serral's a baller and he left 1 overseer at every base to anticipate exactly that. But those DTs were seen on creep before the warp prism even ended up in the main... | ||
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yht9657
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Penev
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On April 08 2019 03:37 Boggyb wrote: What's more dead than being super dead? drogo basically wasn't even born yet in that game | ||
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Ej_
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On April 08 2019 03:41 ZigguratOfUr wrote: But those DTs were seen on creep before the warp prism even ended up in the main... Maybe he wasn't looking! | ||
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Rob-Zero
Germany459 Posts
The good thing about the remaining four players is that i like all of them enough to be happy for the one who wins it. But seeing Serral steamroll the competition again would have this somewhat good feeling to it. | ||
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jarodtou
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also, congrats to Drogo, this season, best Toss in EU, is something with Showtime, Mana, Harstem and other pretty good tosses around. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 08 2019 03:47 Boggyb wrote: I was going to say that killing that overlord was PtitDrogo's best move in the series. Serral still saw the tech. He might have denied the scout too if he had sent a worker to the edge of his base to get the high ground vision for the stalker. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Nakajin
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Boggyb
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Waxangel
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William paradise
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Boggyb
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On April 08 2019 04:04 William paradise wrote: what makes a premier tournament? Which side a person is on when debating whether someone is the G.O.A.T. or not. | ||
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jarodtou
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Anyhow, my point is TeamNeeb vs TeamSerral will get much more viewers and fun, just an ideea. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:16 jarodtou wrote: Instead of FFA, we should have a BO6 between team EU and team non-EU, sry but EU>NA in the ideea that now we have 3 areas, KR, nonKR(which is formed by EU and nonEU(formed by NA,SA..+ other Asia). Anyhow, my point is TeamNeeb vs TeamSerral will get much more viewers and fun, just an ideea. The problem is it doesn't serve as a break for the players who are about to play in the finals. If they didn't need that, they'd just ditch the thing. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On April 08 2019 03:53 Waxangel wrote: Is it really a premiere tournament if Serral isn't making Smix die on the inside On April 08 2019 04:04 William paradise wrote: what makes a premier tournament? sounds like it's Smix | ||
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jarodtou
167 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:18 Boggyb wrote: The problem is it doesn't serve as a break for the players who are about to play in the finals. If they didn't need that, they'd just ditch the thing. maybe Friday? or after the EU final somehow.. which is anyhow late for EU ppl. Ehh.. this is just a wish. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:20 jarodtou wrote: maybe Friday? or after the EU final somehow.. which is anyhow late for EU ppl. Ehh.. this is just a wish. If you're going to have NA and EU play, do what someone else suggested and have the champions of the two regions play a bo7. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
EDIT: That said, being +5k ahead on losses of terran as zerg is straight outclass, no? | ||
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DBooN
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JJH777
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Need
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
It seems Serral has weathered the battlemech storm and he’s accumulated and kept alive a real solid viper count and is trading better and better. | ||
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DBooN
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JustPassingBy
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lolfail9001
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On April 08 2019 04:32 JustPassingBy wrote: Did Serral just steamroll Ptitdrogo in a bo5 without realizing that his hotkeys were messed up? :o I mean, his games with ptitdrogo never got to broodlord infestor stage, did they? | ||
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DBooN
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:34 Boggyb wrote: Who on earth thought a race that has amazing late game mobility needed an additonal offensive option? Yeah, i still don't understand what Blizzard were thinking adding blink to DTs. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:29 JJH777 wrote: Heromarine should get some ghosts shoudln't he? Though that would make this army a lot harder to control but those vipers are killing him. Yeah he’s barely engaging with his army, just enough to cover Vipets, abducts a bunch of expensive units and relocates. Working really well thus far Think Hero would have liked to transition but he was maxed and then his production got hit + he’s trying not to die | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:34 DBooN wrote: Losing 3 buildings with 4k/3k bank is catastrophic damage? He lost fusion core and 2 starports, that's kinda big in lategame TvZ, especially given the air switch done by Serral. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:31 Boggyb wrote: Late game TvZ will always be broken as long as Terran lacks mobile splash damage. The power of Zerg spellcasters doesn't help. And then there is the fact that creep makes it auto-win after enough time. Nukes are mobile splash damage right? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:31 Boggyb wrote: Late game TvZ will always be broken as long as Terran lacks mobile splash damage. The power of Zerg spellcasters doesn't help. And then there is the fact that creep makes it auto-win after enough time. Do you really believe this is the truth? Or maybe you are just meme-complaining; if there is imbalance in late game TvZ, Terran has the advantage, that's what recent results are telling us. | ||
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Boggyb
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No. It has the same issue of a long siege. Random nuke thought: The fallout from a nuke should prevent the laying of creep unless it is within a certain radius of a hatchery. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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On April 08 2019 04:04 William paradise wrote: what makes a premier tournament? Proper sound quality. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Isn't NASL sound guy omnipresent? | ||
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
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Boggyb
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On April 08 2019 04:39 Jerom wrote: To be honest, in this match we shouldn't talk about balance. Serral just seems faster and more aware. Even if he makes strategical mistakes or if Terran would even be OP, Serral would be doing well right now. It is super hard to be aware when you have near complete map vision. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Mostly because HeroMarine is losing the caster wars since he does not have any. | ||
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DBooN
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:35 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, i still don't understand what Blizzard were thinking adding blink to DTs. Because sOs. 'nuff said. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:34 Boggyb wrote: Who on earth thought a race that has amazing late game mobility needed an additonal offensive option? The odd thing to me is I don’t think they’re even using it all that well, even now. It’s either stick it directly in a base, usually as some kind of all in build or don’t use them. If you have your deathball locking down the middle of the map stick some on the flanks and send hydra hitsquads to just continually teleport about the place or w/e | ||
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HolydaKing
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Die4Ever
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:41 Boggyb wrote: It is super hard to be aware when you have near complete map vision. There have been numerous times were for example you see attack moved hellbats that aren't being controlled at all versus Serral splitting his hydras against them and microing actively. HeroMarine just seems a tiny bit to slow to beat a top tier player in a macro game. | ||
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Durnuu
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On April 08 2019 04:42 Die4Ever wrote: I think that single game was longer than Neeb vs Scarlett, or Maru vs Trap Maru vs Trap was like 40 minutes long, we're 10 minutes off! | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:43 Durnuu wrote: Maru vs Trap was like 40 minutes long, we're 10 minutes off! Wait, Maru vs Trap was so long? Or do you count breaks? | ||
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Durnuu
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On April 08 2019 04:44 lolfail9001 wrote: Wait, Maru vs Trap was so long? Or do you count breaks? Nope, just total game time. | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:42 DBooN wrote: How are all the BLs low HP with Thors in single target mode lmao Retreating breaking their targets constantly. But also thors have a specific way they acquire targets contrary to most other units who target whatever is closest(minus colossus who target whatever is closest to their last target), instead thors target whatever requires the least amount of turning. So they naturally tend to spread their fire more than other units. Focus firing is very difficult when broodlings are creating a wall as well. | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Why do Terrans waste so much money on Libs? They are completely useless... Something needs to keep the infestors / hydras at bay or you get the entire front line of thors neuraled behind a wall of broodlings. Serral is just really fucking good at making libs look bad. Libs also have some of the weirdest critical mass amounts of all the units in sc2. | ||
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JoeCool
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:54 Doko wrote: Something needs to keep the infestors / hydras at bay or you get the entire front line of thors neuraled behind a wall of broodlings. Serral is just really fucking good at making libs look bad. Libs also have some of the weirdest critical mass amounts of all the units in sc2. Yeah. The difference between all the liberators dying without doing much and their anti-air splash damage killing everything even against stuff like carriers is pretty narrow. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
I’m still amazed that Twitch chat can be so completely lacking of knowledge of how StarCraft works, despite presumably following the game for years in most cases. Those Mutas got nothing done really in terms of damage, they did pull Hero back off the map. Not really ideal with this style. Serral is crushing it thus far, really looks on form | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:57 Wombat_NI wrote: I wonder what’s the shortest series in a legit tournament in SC2 history come to think of it. I’m still amazed that Twitch chat can be so completely lacking of knowledge of how StarCraft works, despite presumably following the game for years in most cases. Those Mutas got nothing done really in terms of damage, they did pull Hero back off the map. Not really ideal with this style. Serral is crushing it thus far, really looks on form Naniwa losing a bo5 after probe rushing game 1. Or was the bo5 he lost in 1 game against Polt? I don't recall. | ||
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stilt
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William paradise
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Penev
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On April 08 2019 04:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Naniwa losing a bo5 after probe rushing game 1. Or was the bo5 he lost in 1 game against Polt? I don't recall. Polt | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Naniwa losing a bo5 after probe rushing game 1. Or was the bo5 he lost in 1 game against Polt? I don't recall. In that case Naniwa is #1 and #2, because he also "lost" his series against Polt at the IEM Katowice 2014 after ~3 minutes. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On April 08 2019 04:57 Wombat_NI wrote: I wonder what’s the shortest series in a legit tournament in SC2 history come to think of it. I’m still amazed that Twitch chat can be so completely lacking of knowledge of how StarCraft works, despite presumably following the game for years in most cases. Those Mutas got nothing done really in terms of damage, they did pull Hero back off the map. Not really ideal with this style. Serral is crushing it thus far, really looks on form As far as best of 7s go, I think Maru vs Zest is a good contender with the 33 minutes combined time. In bo5 i couldnt say, there were countless of lopsided 3-0s throughout SC2 history. As for the muta attack of serral, yes, it was not cost efficient, it was about tempo, taking control of the game, throwing Heromarine off his gameplan. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 04:49 Doko wrote: Retreating breaking their targets constantly. But also thors have a specific way they acquire targets contrary to most other units who target whatever is closest(minus colossus who target whatever is closest to their last target), instead thors target whatever requires the least amount of turning. So they naturally tend to spread their fire more than other units. Focus firing is very difficult when broodlings are creating a wall as well. It’s just crazy annoying. In the dark days of BL/Infestor v P I honestly disliked broodlings continuously fucking with your targeting, as well as blocking you more than even getting insta-fungalled That Thor info was new to me, it makes a lot of sense. Thors spinning around wildly would look ridiculous. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
also no mines or liberators to defend his orbital, instead lets serral snipe scvs on the same base again and again and then gets destroyed by baneling flanks or just has less dps because his units are busy moving and sieging | ||
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William paradise
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Nakajin
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On April 08 2019 05:01 Geo.Rion wrote: As far as best of 7s go, I think Maru vs Zest is a good contender with the 33 minutes combined time. In bo5 i couldnt say, there were countless of lopsided 3-0s throughout SC2 history. As for the muta attack of serral, yes, it was not cost efficient, it was about tempo, taking control of the game, throwing Heromarine off his gameplan. Was Life-Lilbow bo5 or bo7? | ||
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Penev
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BO5 | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On April 08 2019 05:04 Boggyb wrote: HeRoMaRinE should have taken a page out of Maru's playbook and proxy raxed his way to victory. he proxied Serral so so many times, and it almost never worked. His battle mech worked in the group stage, so I think it makes sense he's forcing that. Of corse, Serral is really great at evolving his game, i expected him to come prepared vs that (and for ling-lurker too, if we ever get into that tonight) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
Oh boy that one. What was Idra vs Alive, the legendary show match? Of course excluded from this as not a tournament, still. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:04 Boggyb wrote: HeRoMaRinE should have taken a page out of Maru's playbook and proxy raxed his way to victory. Or he could take a page from Nathanias's playbook... | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
I might not know anything about StarCraft anymore but isn't that... incredibly heavy investment into something that won't do much for rest of the game and does not even transition smoothly? That said, it seems to work so what do i know about StarCraft anyways. | ||
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WombaT
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:11 Wombat_NI wrote: HeRoMaRinE living up to his name the absolute lad, builds just marines Wouldn't the true HeroMarine build exactly 1 marine every game? And have that marine live until the end of the game. | ||
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William paradise
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:12 lolfail9001 wrote: Wouldn't the true HeroMarine build exactly 1 marine every game? And have that marine live until the end of the game. Yeah he tries that, casters continually misread and say it’s a marine for denying scouting GG, Hero was pretty close to breaking him there. | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:14 Penev wrote: I wonder how Serral feels after this Just a warm up. | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:01 Geo.Rion wrote: As far as best of 7s go, I think Maru vs Zest is a good contender with the 33 minutes combined time. In bo5 i couldnt say, there were countless of lopsided 3-0s throughout SC2 history. As for the muta attack of serral, yes, it was not cost efficient, it was about tempo, taking control of the game, throwing Heromarine off his gameplan. I am not sure but I would say Nestea vs Inca was shorter. | ||
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sashkata
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raff100
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:15 sashkata wrote: Is there going to be an FFA? French casters say so. | ||
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William paradise
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:15 stilt wrote: I am not sure but I would say Nestea vs Inca was shorter. Didn’t ManZenith once screw up his FFE and blocked his Nexus in GSL I’m not sure if it was a super short series though, it was probably the worst ever in GSL though | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
no defense against counter harass... i know serral is good, but this is just no pro play | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On April 08 2019 05:15 stilt wrote: I am not sure but I would say Nestea vs Inca was shorter. WOL games lasted longer because they started out slower, so i dont think so. Found g4 on youtube, and that's about 20 minutes, so i dont think the 4 games combined are less | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:11 lolfail9001 wrote: BC rush into bio? I might not know anything about StarCraft anymore but isn't that... incredibly heavy investment into something that won't do much for rest of the game and does not even transition smoothly? That said, it seems to work so what do i know about StarCraft anyways. It's actually not terrible against zerg. Was a viable build for a little bit after the BC patch | ||
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raff100
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
I would not mind Reynor to win even if I still prefer to see Serral win, either with a 4-0 sweep to end the day in dominating fashion or in a full seven game series displaying the best of ZvZ as a matchup. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:16 William paradise wrote: to other players not watch or study other players I mean idk just this like watching foreigners try to beat Koreans. just not going to happen i really hope rynor please put a game against him. you must have not been watching much foreigner sc2 for the last year or so | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:17 Wombat_NI wrote: Didn’t ManZenith once screw up his FFE and blocked his Nexus in GSL I’m not sure if it was a super short series though, it was probably the worst ever in GSL though It was San who was a player from the zenith clan back in the time but it was a bo3 for sure because San did it on one the 3 2010 gsl (the third I'd say) and he never reached the 1/4 (let alone the 1/2 which were in bo7). He was named worst player of gsl but then he gained fame by beating Nestea in an epic game, reaching the ro4 and so on. In fact, he was a very good player | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
Little thing but it was really interesting to hear Serral figure out what tweaks he needed to make to play against battlemech from watching a few replays. Little insight into how Serral looks at the game, kind of neat. | ||
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William paradise
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Need
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StasisField
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:19 Geo.Rion wrote: WOL games lasted longer because they started out slower, so i dont think so. Found g4 on youtube, and that's about 20 minutes, so i dont think the 4 games combined are less Yes, you're right, Nestea crushed Inca in a super anticlimatic series hence my feeling but it took more time. | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:23 Need wrote: So NA FFA is still happening or not? Doesn't look like it, timer says 5 minutes until Serral Vs Reynor | ||
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William paradise
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Nerchio
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Toua
Denmark318 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:28 Nerchio wrote: btw they are on a green screen right? they are | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:28 Nerchio wrote: btw they are on a green screen right? From the shadows behind hairs, I'd say yes. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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HolydaKing
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On April 08 2019 05:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: This should be an epic ZvZ. I want more of that ling/lurker comp from Reynor. Knowing his addiction to lings I think it's likely It's going to be fantastic. Or at least I'm hopeful that it will be. | ||
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William paradise
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
Serral, Dark, soO, Rogue, Reynor | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
He is just too good to get knocked out in round robin even if he has a bad day. Other players on the rung have to bring their absolute A game just to get out of the groups, so they don’t hide builds or styles. Then it’s round 2 vs a Serral who has a week to prep, a fearsome prospect indeed. | ||
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Need
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On April 08 2019 05:34 JoeCool wrote: The five Overminds: Serral, Dark, soO, Rogue, Reynor Is this a 'find the odd one out' game? | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: This should be an epic ZvZ. I want more of that ling/lurker comp from Reynor. Knowing his addiction to lings I think it's likely yeah it was really interestingl watching Artosis and noregret analysis Scarlett and Reynor's ling lurker games vs Serral | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
yeah I was going to comment on that lol, one of these is not like the others | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:34 JoeCool wrote: The five Overminds: Serral, Dark, soO, Rogue, Reynor Solar>Reynor | ||
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William paradise
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On April 08 2019 05:37 starkiller123 wrote: yeah I was going to comment on that lol, one of these is not like the others which one? | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
Reynor obviously | ||
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Need
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starkiller123
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:19 Fango wrote: It's actually not terrible against zerg. Was a viable build for a little bit after the BC patch I just feel that it should not transition well into bio, i can see how it can just get all mech/air infrastructure going, so that seems like the transition to me.As i said, i am not playing starcraft of late. EDIT: Reynor vs Serral should be the juicy one. | ||
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starkiller123
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FrostedMiniWheats
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
At the moment? I doubt it. Historically? Of course, it's not even close. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:47 lolfail9001 wrote: I just feel that it should not transition well into bio, i can see how it can just get all mech/air infrastructure going, so that seems like the transition to me.As i said, i am not playing starcraft of late. EDIT: Reynor vs Serral should be the juicy one. It's similar-ish to cloak banshee build. Instead of the cloak research you build a building. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
Serral has never been the undisputed #1 player in the world, contrary to what you may have been led to believe. Casters and Blizzard referred to Serral as the best in the world, simply because he was a foreigner who managed to crack the top ten." | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:50 Xain0n wrote: At the moment? I doubt it. Historically? Of course, it's not even close. they both played at IEM Katowice. Reynor lost in the qualifiers, Solar made ro8...... | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:51 Charoisaur wrote: they both played at IEM Katowice. Reynor lost in the qualifiers, Solar made ro8...... I was going to make a snarky comment agreeing with you but I decided against it | ||
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Italy830 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:50 argonautdice wrote: "Three months into 2019, one thing has become undeniably clear: Serral is a PatchZerg. Serral has never been the undisputed #1 player in the world, contrary to what you may have been led to believe. Casters and Blizzard referred to Serral as the best in the world, simply because he was a foreigner who managed to crack the top ten." He won the world championship title which crowns him as the top until the next world championship. We can argue about 2018 up until Blizzcon(and I still value Maru over SErral because Code S > WCS), but after Blizzcon he was the world champion Edit> Also as the true Zerg WC he looks like a true patch zerg Except Life who took it into a totally different level with matchfixing >< | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:50 Xain0n wrote: At the moment? I doubt it. Historically? Of course, it's not even close. Depends on the matchup. There's no way Reynor can 3-0 TY right now. I'd be surprised to see Reynor beat TY at all. In ZvZ Reynor is probably better. | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 08 2019 05:53 deacon.frost wrote: He won the world championship title which crowns him as the top until the next world championship. We can argue about 2018 up until Blizzcon(and I still value Maru over SErral because Code S > WCS), but after Blizzcon he was the world champion If World Championships matter, then it was Scarlett -> Rogue -> Maru -> Serral. Serral was only the top player starting in August or really November if you don't count invitational tournaments. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 05:56 Boggyb wrote: If World Championships matter, then it was Scarlett -> Rogue -> Maru -> Serral. Serral was only the top player right at the end. He's the world champion for 2018 or 2019, depends how you look at it, but certainly, only at the end of the year he started to play against Koreans, up until then he was just grinding WCS. | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 08 2019 05:58 deacon.frost wrote: He's the world champion for 2018 or 2019, depends how you look at it, but certainly, only at the end of the year he started to play against Koreans, up until then he was just grinding WCS. He's one of 4 world champions. The last one isn't automatically the most important. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Didn't work back then, though, iirc. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:00 lolfail9001 wrote: Uhm, Dark vs Serral at Blizzcon had the roach-corruptor all-in as counter to muta, didn't it? You always go corruptors if your spire is later. (if you have roaches on the ground) | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:00 Boggyb wrote: He's one of 4 world champions. The last one isn't automatically the most important. Again, depends how you look at it. You can look at it the Highlander way(there can be only one) or in the box way(we can have multiple champions at the same time) | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:00 Boggyb wrote: He's one of 4 world champions. The last one isn't automatically the most important. I wouldn't consider the other ones except IEM as important | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:00 Ej_ wrote: You always go corruptors if your spire is later. (if you have roaches on the ground) I mean, of course trying to out muta with later spire is stupid. I just say... can't muta buy enough time to guerilla it's way out of it? | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Edit: well nvm he know best | ||
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Ej_
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On April 08 2019 06:02 lolfail9001 wrote: I mean, of course trying to out muta with later spire is stupid. I just say... can't muta buy enough time to guerilla it's way out of it? You are going to lose anyway if you cancel the spire, it's just making the best of a bad spot. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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Need
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:03 Ej_ wrote: You are going to lose anyway if you cancel the spire, it's just making the best of a bad spot. I guess so. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Ej_
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zvz insticts holy fuck boys absolute outplay with the STTTTTTTTT | ||
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William paradise
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On April 08 2019 06:04 Charoisaur wrote: how many spots will Serral lose in the Power Rank if he gets 3-0ed? 4 | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:04 Charoisaur wrote: how many spots will Serral lose in the Power Rank if he gets 3-0ed? .....um this is a bo7 | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:04 Charoisaur wrote: how many spots will Serral lose in the Power Rank if he gets 3-0ed? Depends if he makes the 3-0 to 4-3 comeback or not. | ||
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Ej_
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On April 08 2019 06:04 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, you must all-in with roach-corruptor like Dark did back then to make it look close. Easier said than done, especially on a map this big. You have to make a ton of correct army positioning calls in a short span of time to hit the corruptor roach timing when their army isn't already countering your bases. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:04 Charoisaur wrote: how many spots will Serral lose in the Power Rank if he gets 3-0ed? The better question is - do we get a proper patch zerg article? | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:04 Charoisaur wrote: how many spots will Serral lose in the Power Rank if he gets 3-0ed? it's still a best of 7 | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:04 Charoisaur wrote: how many spots will Serral lose in the Power Rank if he gets 3-0ed? I was aksing myself basically the same question after IEM and WESG. The thing is, although Serral did not win any tournaments as of late he was always the only player who put up a fight against the eventual champion. So it's kinda hard to tell... Edit: and he still came in second at IEM. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
whoops... 4-0ed then | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:05 Ej_ wrote: Easier said than done, especially on a map this big. You have to make a ton of correct army positioning calls in a short span of time to hit the corruptor roach timing when their army isn't already countering your bases. Yeah, but playing defensively with immobile army against the fastest composition in the game sounds easier said than done as well. As you said, it's trying to make best of bad position. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
I don't think that's gonna happen | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:06 JoeCool wrote: I was aksing myself basically the same question after IEM and WESG. The thing is, although Serral did not win any tournaments as of late he was always the only player who put up a fight against the eventual champion. So it's kinda hard to tell... Edit: and he still came in second at IEM. losing vs soO or Inno is different then losing vs Reynor though. | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
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lolfail9001
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:07 Soularion wrote: Real question should be - if Reynor 4-0s Serral, where does he place in the top 10? not high enough (cuz Maru) | ||
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William paradise
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On April 08 2019 06:07 Soularion wrote: Real question should be - if Reynor 4-0s Serral, where does he place in the top 10? 6 | ||
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Nerchio
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:08 Nerchio wrote: It's ZvZ guys might as well have a lot of success with rolling a dice Will you take you first born out for ice cream if he win? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:08 Nerchio wrote: It's ZvZ guys might as well have a lot of success with rolling a dice So, ZvZ went from legit best match-up to rolling a dice once again in half a year? Man, Blizzard sure likes to mess around with the game. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
Inno, Maru, TY, Stats, Classic, Dark. (not in order) no. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:08 Nerchio wrote: It's ZvZ guys might as well have a lot of success with rolling a dice I tried rolling a dice and I lost as it didn't build any drones or buildings  | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
e: yep | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:09 deacon.frost wrote: I tried rolling a dice and I lost as it didn't build any drones or buildings It's a drone rush then! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:09 Charoisaur wrote: Inno, Maru, TY, Stats, Classic, Dark. (not in order) no. TY was #10 in the last power ranking. Of course Reynor wouldn't be #6, too. | ||
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United States30730 Posts
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Ej_
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
EDIT: Yes, i guess, RIP. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:11 Wombat_NI wrote: What other notable scalps has Reynor taken recently? Reynor looked very good in multiple tourneys. But he always choked, and never made it too far, aside fomr that WCS 2nd place finish. Most recently, it looked like he'd sweep Neeb 3-0 (after a clean group-stage), but he ended up getting 2-3d. Edit:^at WESG | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:12 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: He's doing it!!! and he's dead --; | ||
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Need
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:15 Need wrote: Lurker lings no bueno idk, he got a tad behind from the ling assault and then completely missed the nydus | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:16 lolfail9001 wrote: I guess those 2 (3?) queens were really expensive. 450 (600?) minerals | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:16 lolfail9001 wrote: I guess those 2 (3?) queens were really expensive. Maybe I’m just tired I thought it was 4 Disappointing as I really want to see that ling lurker style from Reynor, but it felt he cut too many corners and just died | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:14 lolfail9001 wrote: So, will the nydus timing hit before lurkers? EDIT: Yes, i guess, RIP. Everything hits before the lurker den is finished as this takes forever and as a wise man from Germany wrote - forever is a long time! + Show Spoiler + You are defying the devil forever this time, but you can't imagine forever will drag on a long long time. You are defying salvation the wait is your crime, stalemate in virtue we falter forever is a long time (Tobias Sammet) | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:18 argonautdice wrote: Winner should play Neeb No need, the winner of this will lose to Neeb 100% | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:18 argonautdice wrote: Winner should play Neeb Yeah they really should have made 1 more BO7 between the winners for some more money... | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:15 Need wrote: Lurker lings no bueno Reynor was too far behind | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:18 Wombat_NI wrote: Maybe I’m just tired I thought it was 4 Disappointing as I really want to see that ling lurker style from Reynor, but it felt he cut too many corners and just died it was 4. But it wasnt the positioning, it was the lack of lings from Reynor. The queens didnt get caught off creep, even the first 2 made it back on creep, but had no support, then the other 2 died under the nat hatch | ||
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Need
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
Grubby IMO was probably the best analytical caster I’ve heard, Idra was actually a pretty damn good caster as well | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:21 AzAlexZ wrote: No need, the winner of this will lose to Neeb 100% Either way, agreed since PvZ is boring. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:21 AzAlexZ wrote: No need, the winner of this will lose to Neeb 100% Glad someone did the math | ||
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Need
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On April 08 2019 06:22 Need wrote: Lambo and Elazer casting the ZvZ? NICE! Never mind | ||
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United States30730 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
The dynamic of ‘does the Zerg sniff out the Protoss shenanigans and crush it, or miss it or misread it and die’ is just how so many games go On the other hand ZvZ is way better than it used to be, so that’s definitely cool. | ||
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United States30730 Posts
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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HolydaKing
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:33 Wombat_NI wrote: The dynamic of ‘does the Zerg sniff out the Protoss shenanigans and crush it, or miss it or misread it and die’ is just how so many games go On the other hand ZvZ is way better than it used to be, so that’s definitely cool. more like (cuz it's Neeb) 'can Neeb defend whatever stupid cheese the zergs throw at him', since if he falls apart then he loses, but if he holds he almost always wins. I don;t think even Serral will go for late vs Neeb since Neeb is (almost) untouchable in macro games | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
What happened? | ||
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William paradise
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NotSoHappy
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:35 lolfail9001 wrote: So, game was over while i was writing a reply because someone is wrong on the internets. What happened? Roach attack via Nydus into GG | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
He is so scared to play macro... And against a foreigner too, lol | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:35 lolfail9001 wrote: So, game was over while i was writing a reply because someone is wrong on the internets. What happened? Serral stopped droning at 55 drones while Reynor build till 65 drones. Serral instead pumped roaches earlier, built a Nydus and just killed him. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:35 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow Serral is really bad right now ain't he? Looks like Inno really broke him mentally. He is so scared to play macro... And against a foreigner too, lol he literally just won the last 2 games... | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Not in macro though, or..? | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:35 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow Serral is really bad right now ain't he? Looks like Inno really broke him mentally. He is so scared to play macro... And against a foreigner too, lol "Really bad", always on point. Serral is playing ZvZ in a very aggressive way, probably too often. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
by that logic Maru (was) is scared of playing macro vs most people then cuz he proxied for a whole season | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Yes, with cheese. He looks like he is a lot worse then Reynor though overall, which is surprising to me | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:39 AzAlexZ wrote: by that logic Maru (was) is scared of playing macro vs most people then cuz he proxied for a whole season You can interpret those games that way. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:35 lolfail9001 wrote: So, game was over while i was writing a reply because someone is wrong on the internets. What happened? Who was wrong on the internet? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Yes, with cheese. He looks like he is a lot worse then Reynor though overall, which is surprising to me Reynor has better micro, Serral in games 3 and 4 won because he had better understanding of what Reynor was doing and punished him for it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Yes, with cheese. He looks like he is a lot worse then Reynor though overall, which is surprising to me Nah disagree, Serral seems to be adapting well. Reynor’s cut corners and taken big risks that paid off for him in the games he did win. Serral has scented blood and punished him for being greedy, especially in the lurker attempt | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:41 lolfail9001 wrote: Reynor has better micro, Serral in games 3 and 4 won because he had better understanding of what Reynor was doing and punished him for it. In game 3 Raynor got cocky and greedy IMO. Edit> How the hell is Raynor so ahead in supply? Edit 2> Lol, Serral eating biles again... | ||
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On April 08 2019 06:43 deacon.frost wrote: In game 3 Raynor got cocky and greedy IMO. Edit> How the hell is Raynor so ahead in supply? Edit 2> Lol, Serral eating biles again... Reynor defended an early pool with no losses, i would be very surprised if he would fail to capitalize on it. Especially since Serral gambled in catching up. | ||
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Night everyone | ||
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WombaT
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On April 08 2019 06:45 lolfail9001 wrote: Reynor defended an early pool with no losses, i would be very surprised if he would fail to capitalize on it. Especially since Serral gambled in catching up. They’re being pretty damn decisive at finishing things off. Hoping for some tighter better games despite my need for sleep | ||
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Charoisaur
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On April 08 2019 06:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: Yes, with cheese. He looks like he is a lot worse then Reynor though overall, which is surprising to me This is ZvZ. Cheese is ZvZ. | ||
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WombaT
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On April 08 2019 06:47 Charoisaur wrote: Zombiecontrol is a really good caster duo. Great chemistry between them. Yeah I like Grub, nice she’s getting such gigs these days Ofc Twitch chat will complain as they have for the last 9 years about any caster who isn’t Tastosis. At least LR threads are less whiny about that these days | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:47 Charoisaur wrote: Zombiecontrol is a really good caster duo. Great chemistry between them. If only Goeff would tone down on his Serral fanboyism... | ||
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starkiller123
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On April 08 2019 06:46 MarianoSC2 wrote: These games are just sad to watch... Split WCS is even more pathetic than the regular one. Night everyone lol compared to yesterdays games these games have been amazing | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:51 deacon.frost wrote: If only Goeff would tone down on his Serral fanboyism... one of the constants of the universe | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:52 starkiller123 wrote: lol compared to yesterdays games these games have been amazing Also Maru vs Trap wasn’t exactly a classic the other day | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 06:54 Wombat_NI wrote: Also Maru vs Trap wasn’t exactly a classic the other day Those games were better than I was expecting. But I was expecting a shit show being it a team kill. | ||
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starkiller123
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On April 08 2019 06:54 Wombat_NI wrote: Also Maru vs Trap wasn’t exactly a classic the other day its best to just erase that series from our memory, at least the other semi finals was good | ||
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On April 08 2019 06:54 deacon.frost wrote: Those games were better than I was expecting. But I was expecting a shit show being it a team kill. I dunno what you were expecting for it to be worse than the series actually was. Maru winning with 4 proxies? | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On April 08 2019 06:56 lolfail9001 wrote: Reynor is doing it? yeah, dont mean to jinx it, but it's a very clear path to victory from here | ||
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starkiller123
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On April 08 2019 06:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I dunno what you were expecting for it to be worse than the series actually was. Maru winning with 4 proxies? I mean I guess it was better than the sOs Maru series at blizzcon | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On April 08 2019 06:58 William paradise wrote: serral going na excuse me but NA > EU | ||
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deacon.frost
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On April 08 2019 06:58 starkiller123 wrote: I mean I guess it was better than the sOs Maru series at blizzcon Basically this | ||
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On April 08 2019 06:58 starkiller123 wrote: I mean I guess it was better than the sOs Maru series at blizzcon I dunno about that. sOs vs Maru was at least somewhat surprisingly awful, whereas Maru vs Trap went basically as expected. | ||
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On April 08 2019 06:59 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, i do not see how even full foreigner can lose this. well he has 2/2 on the way, if he isnt dead/crippled until it finishes, he can turn it around... maybe | ||
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On April 08 2019 06:57 Geo.Rion wrote: yeah, dont mean to jinx it, but it's a very clear path to victory from here ? | ||
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WombaT
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On April 08 2019 07:04 lolfail9001 wrote: I mean, i must say i must give credit to Serral, that ling runby bought him time for 1-1 and max out. It’s the kind of thing he normally pulls out more regularly than plus sneaking in lings for scouting and all | ||
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rotta
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stilt
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On April 08 2019 06:51 deacon.frost wrote: If only Goeff would tone down on his Serral fanboyism... Serral is good is fanboytism for you. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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yeha, lol :D the path was there tho | ||
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Serral plz | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Wat? Talking about how SErral dominated the last year while ignoring Code S and Maru is just fanboyism. Edit> and I ignore his winter/spring where he didn't win the IEM | ||
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On April 08 2019 07:07 rotta wrote: Got your gifs ready bois? | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On April 08 2019 07:14 Charoisaur wrote: Patchzerg confirmed can't be a patchzerg cuz Serral lost to another zerg | ||
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sneakyfox
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On April 08 2019 07:14 Charoisaur wrote: Patchzerg confirmed Agreed, Reynor patchzerg | ||
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Edit: Anyone with the courage to all-in in a game 7 has my respect lol. | ||
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Parrek
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On April 08 2019 07:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: The tournament loss streak continues for Serral and Reynor finally gets one :O The question is if Serral will ever get knocked out in a series that's not in the ace match. Last year Serral had an ungodly clutch factor. This year he has the pure skill, but that clutch factor seems to be gone. Hopefully he can recover it. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On April 08 2019 07:15 amasposu wrote: 2019 is the best year. It is great to see that overrated zerg lose in everything. which previously banned user are you exactly? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
Still, huge congrats to Reynor | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:14 AzAlexZ wrote: can't be a patchzerg cuz Serral lost to another zerg can't win ZvZ anymore since the roach burrow nerf /s | ||
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Ej_
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On April 08 2019 07:15 StabiloBoss20 wrote: y serral didnt rewalled and build roaches? +1 melee lings shread buildings and roaches and literally everything, it was close to BO loss when unscouted | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:14 AzAlexZ wrote: can't be a patchzerg cuz Serral lost to another zerg lol | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:15 amasposu wrote: 2019 is the best year. It is great to see that overrated zerg lose in everything. Thats a great first posed. You sir, are an idiot. Great games! Was fun to watch and the games were way more exciting than the US ones yesterday. Looking forward for the rest of 2019, could get pretty tense :-P | ||
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rotta
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Is that the official drunk santa emote? | ||
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On April 08 2019 07:16 EXRNaRa wrote: Thats a great first posed. You sir, are an idiot. Great games! Was fun to watch and the games were way more exciting than the US ones yesterday. Looking forward for the rest of 2019, could get pretty tense :-P I agree. That was a great first posed. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
I don't have any gif so I used my favorite smiley | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
ro32 GSL player better than the best foreigners | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:15 swarminfestor wrote: So, Serral is no more in the GOAT player list? Serral has only won 2 premiers with Koreans. He's no where near the GOAT list. He needs to win at least 3-4 more events to even get to the top 10. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:19 Charoisaur wrote: Creator>Reynor>Serral ro32 GSL player better than the best foreigners Creator the real GOAT /s | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:18 William paradise wrote: seriously why are eu players so much better in interviews reynor is doing great there They are not, they have Serral. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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AS LONG AS I DON'T MEET NEEB | ||
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On April 08 2019 07:19 JJH777 wrote: Serral has only won 2 premiers with Koreans. He's no where near the GOAT list. He needs to win at least 3-4 more events to even get to the top 10. You can't say that. When a foreigner knows how to operate a mouse, they should already be on the GOAT list. You can't set a bar too high for the foreigners. | ||
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Ej_
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On April 08 2019 07:21 AzAlexZ wrote: Reynor: I can win GSL AS LONG AS I DON'T MEET NEEB You should change your nick to DieuNeeb before you get too many posts. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:21 swarminfestor wrote: Reynor still has guts to play at GSL again. Sound familiar? At least now the Europe has the best player with balls | ||
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He did win a TeamLiquid Star League which is the equivalent of a baker's dozen Homestory Cups which are each worth 2 GSLs, so that's 26 GSLs. Who else has that kind of resume? | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:21 swarminfestor wrote: Reynor still has guts to play at GSL again. Sound familiar? Sounds unfamiliar, cuz other great foreign Zergs run away from GSL like the devil runs from the cross. | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:22 amasposu wrote: You can't say that. When a foreigner knows how to operate a mouse, they should already be on the GOAT. You can't set a bar too high for the foreigners. Rodya went out on Saturday night and got drunk again... | ||
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Soularion
Canada2764 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:23 Morbidius wrote: Sounds unfamiliar, cuz other great foreign Zergs run away from GSL like the devil runs from the cross. Scarlett? Elazer? ... SortOf? | ||
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William paradise
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On April 08 2019 07:22 deacon.frost wrote: At least now the Europe has the best player with balls yea na as the weakest players out there eu>na | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:23 Morbidius wrote: Sounds unfamiliar, cuz other great foreign Zergs run away from GSL like the devil runs from the cross. That's way too offensive towards Scarlett. When there was the tiny region lock she got the balls to go into GSL while the rest of foreigners cowardly moved away. It's kinda funny thinking about it, the girl has bigger balls than all the boys Or maybe she just don't give a fuck and went full Maru | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:24 deacon.frost wrote: That's way too offensive towards Scarlett. When there was the tiny region lock she got the balls to go into GSL while the rest of foreigners cowardly moved away. It's kinda funny thinking about it, the girl has bigger balls than all the boys Or maybe she just don't give a fuck and went full Maru I was talk about one foreign Zerg specifically. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
Will be exciting to see him in Korea if he goes. Has Serral ever spoken of having a stint over there? | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:19 JJH777 wrote: Serral has only won 2 premiers with Koreans. He's no where near the GOAT list. He needs to win at least 3-4 more events to even get to the top 10. True. He is nowhere close to be in comparison with the great players before. His chances to prove the critics wrong was during IEM Katowice and WSEG but he never did. Rogue did in IEM Katowice even though he got slumped after that. | ||
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starkiller123
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On April 08 2019 07:21 William paradise wrote: na players take note thats how you do it I think its just an unfortunate coincidence that the players that happen to be the best in NA are are all very reserved and quiet | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:25 Morbidius wrote: I was talk about one foreign Zerg specifically. I know | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:27 starkiller123 wrote: I think its just an unfortunate coincidence that the players that happen to be the best in NA are are all very reserved and quiet need Idra to come back | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:21 AzAlexZ wrote: Reynor: I can win GSL AS LONG AS I DON'T MEET NEEB Neeb said he's not going to Korea this year, so REYNOR WINS GSL | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 08 2019 07:26 William paradise wrote: ill give Scarlett give that credit but the rest of na hide behind there moms skirt when it comes to playing the Koreans NoRegreT? Neeb? SpeCial? If you were just talking about Zerg, which NA Zerg is ducking Korea? Cham? | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:23 Boggyb wrote: He did win a TeamLiquid Star League which is the equivalent of a baker's dozen Homestory Cups which are each worth 2 GSLs, so that's 26 GSLs. Who else has that kind of resume? you make a very compelling argument | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
There’s not even a presence of foreign teams with houses there, where foreigners passing through could stay and whatnot. For some the different culture and all would be something they’d want to experience, but it can be pretty isolating based on what folks who tried in the past have said. Props to those who give it a shot but I wouldn’t condemn those who don’t | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 08 2019 07:33 Wombat_NI wrote: I don’t really blame any foreign pro now not going to Korea. There’s not even a presence of foreign teams with houses there, where foreigners passing through could stay and whatnot. For some the different culture and all would be something they’d want to experience, but it can be pretty isolating based on what folks who tried in the past have said. Props to those who give it a shot but I wouldn’t condemn those who don’t Is NoRegreT's "team" house not a thing anymore? | ||
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WombaT
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Absolutely, unleash the Gracken once more | ||
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NeV
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https://clips.twitch.tv/RoundNaiveGazelleOpieOP?fbclid=IwAR3ty0qDW2GUajg2KDx97mQQDzkgj5e6yKanUKAdSXVe06zeXPxcKu3VyfI | ||
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Doko
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On April 08 2019 07:36 NeV wrote: The final moments in the Italian stream. EPIC https://clips.twitch.tv/RoundNaiveGazelleOpieOP?fbclid=IwAR3ty0qDW2GUajg2KDx97mQQDzkgj5e6yKanUKAdSXVe06zeXPxcKu3VyfI holy shit! that is some passion right there | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 07:34 Boggyb wrote: Is NoRegreT's "team" house not a thing anymore? Was it ever a thing? Maybe I missed some stuff, I did have a pretty big gap following the scene TL had one for a pretty long time, then it was EG-TL; I remember FXO were there for a time, plus various times there have been a few foreigners over at the same time and whatnot. I don’t think there’s much foreign presence in terms of SC2 guys over there these days, might be wrong on that. | ||
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Toua
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On April 08 2019 07:39 Wombat_NI wrote: Was it ever a thing? Maybe I missed some stuff, I did have a pretty big gap following the scene TL had one for a pretty long time, then it was EG-TL; I remember FXO were there for a time, plus various times there have been a few foreigners over at the same time and whatnot. I don’t think there’s much foreign presence in terms of SC2 guys over there these days, might be wrong on that. You must have not been here in 2016, 2017 and 2018 cause the house was doing great and many pros stayed there | ||
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Charoisaur
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On April 08 2019 07:47 Zzoram wrote: Competing in GSL just means no challenger, but if Reynor gets enough points to safely qualify for Blizzcon by the end of WCS Spring, he has nothing to lose trying GSL since he can open bracket the other WCS events if needed and doesn’t need to worry about challenger points to make the cut. they removed that rule... | ||
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ValM
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On April 08 2019 07:48 sertman wrote: Reynor's entire ZvZ is constructed specifically to beat Serral and Serral still takes 3 games. Yeah sure. My salute to you sir for enlightening us with that crucial piece of knowledge and trying to take away credit from a young talented player who has deserved a win like this since a long time. It takes serious balls to allin in a game 7 and that is exactly the stuff champions are made of. Reynor took serral to game 7 last year in the last wcs tourney as well. Serral is too good of a player to need such justifications and I am sure he will be back stronger, in the meanwhile lets be happy for Reynor's success after all the work he must have put in. | ||
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sertman
United States540 Posts
On April 08 2019 08:02 ValM wrote: Yeah sure. My salute to you sir for enlightening us with that crucial piece of knowledge and trying to take away credit from a young talented player who has deserved a win like this since a long time. It takes serious balls to allin in a game 7 and that is exactly the stuff champions are made of. Reynor took serral to game 7 last year in the last wcs tourney as well. Serral is too good of a player to need such justifications and I am sure he will be back stronger, in the meanwhile lets be happy for Reynor's success after all the work he must have put in. Dude I was just saying that Serral is still impressive lol you have issues my man | ||
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ValM
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On April 08 2019 08:03 sertman wrote: Dude I was just saying that Serral is still impressive lol you have issues my man Guess I do if you say so. Lets just be happy for the young kid fulfilling his dreams is what I meant. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Reynor is so young, his future is hopefully bright; also, many Team Liquid users will appreciate the fact seems to like the idea of living and competing in Korea. | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On April 08 2019 08:12 Vindicare605 wrote: The salt in this thread rofl. What, aside the new posters, you have the traditional korean fanboys who still cannot stand the 03-11-2018 :p | ||
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amasposu
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On April 08 2019 08:12 Vindicare605 wrote: The salt in this thread rofl. Nothing is more delicious than the salt pouring out of the fans for the patchzerg. He can't even win against foreigners. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
There would be appropriate ways to criticize Serral's relatively subpar 2019, like the fact he lost in every matchup and that he is, at once, losing every final set of the series just as he was undeafeated at in 2018; they instead prefer to resort to irritating and false concepts like "patchzerg"(if Team Liquid's writers would ever decide to make an article about Serral NOT being a patchzerg, quite the opposite instead, I think some of my previous posts could be of use). It is also impressive how vocal those people are, evidence suggests they are aren't that many yet the volume of their posts on this forum would make anyone think they are an overbearing majority. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 09:18 Xain0n wrote: The hate towards Serral is simply pathetic; those sore losers will not get over the fact Serral actually was the best and most accomplished player last year beating the korean Élite. Maybe they could have digested it better if it was just Stats or Classic, impressive yet underrated champions who play the "wrong" race; the filthy foreigner abhuman instead dared to rob the latest hope of the truly skilled and thus deserves to be mindlessly hated forever the way cheaters and matchfixers are. There would be appropriate ways to criticize Serral's relatively subpar 2019, like the fact he lost in every matchup and that he is, at once, losing every final set of the series just as he was undeafeated at in 2018; they instead prefer to resort to irritating and false concepts like "patchzerg"(if Team Liquid's writers would ever think of making an article about Serral NOT being a patchzerg, quite the opposite instead, I think some of my previous posts could be of use). Some is just straight dumb, I take some to be exasperation at some of the more ludicrous Serral fanboys. SC2 has always been a reasonably volatile game where you have a bunch of top tier players, any of whom can conceivably win a tournament. His 2019 is probably underrated, and the margins are pretty small as you say. He’s lost to what soO and Inno and Reynor? The first, great player. As per my previous point most knowledgeable StarCraft fans still considered him one of the absolute best even when he was turning silver medals into a meme, because his consistency in getting there was amazing. Innovation usually floats around and has periods where he’s the best player in the world, then has slumps, then comes back etc. Reynor is an ever improving player who’s already shown he can do well vs S class Koreans. There isn’t a player in the scene that can win with the consistency of 2018 Serral, and some of that was vs lower opposition. Taeja used to be able to do it for a summer at a stretch, but only in weekend tournaments. Serral’s obviously at the top table of the game, sadly SC2 has the same problem professional boxing does, where the fans want the best of the best to fight more often, but it just doesn’t happen enough. Appraisal of him anywhere between the two extremes of patchzerg or GOAT would be nice | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On April 08 2019 08:24 amasposu wrote: Nothing is more delicious than the salt pouring out of the fans for the patchzerg. He can't even win against foreigners. User was temp banned for this post. This is obvious smurfing. Who's behind that ? Deacon, Boggyb, mariano, charoisure, starkiller, Dieucure ? Or another self entilted white knight fighting for the purity of the game ? Anyway so brave and what a toxic community. It's quite tiring to face a bunch of haters trolling in every threads of tournaments including a specific player. I bet I'll be warned or banned for this post but seeing continiously this kind of behavior is really triggering. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 08 2019 14:40 stilt wrote: This is obvious smurfing. Who's behind that ? Deacon, Boggyb, mariano, charoisure, starkiller, Dieucure ? Or another self entilted white knight fighting for the purity of the game ? Anyway so brave and what a toxic community. It's quite tiring to face a bunch of haters trolling in every threads of tournaments including a specific player. I bet I'll be warned or banned for this post but seeing continiously this kind of behavior is really triggering. I can't decide if I am honored or angry that you included me on that list, but come on it has to be Rodya | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 09:51 Wombat_NI wrote: Some is just straight dumb, I take some to be exasperation at some of the more ludicrous Serral fanboys. SC2 has always been a reasonably volatile game where you have a bunch of top tier players, any of whom can conceivably win a tournament. His 2019 is probably underrated, and the margins are pretty small as you say. He’s lost to what soO and Inno and Reynor? The first, great player. As per my previous point most knowledgeable StarCraft fans still considered him one of the absolute best even when he was turning silver medals into a meme, because his consistency in getting there was amazing. Innovation usually floats around and has periods where he’s the best player in the world, then has slumps, then comes back etc. Reynor is an ever improving player who’s already shown he can do well vs S class Koreans. There isn’t a player in the scene that can win with the consistency of 2018 Serral, and some of that was vs lower opposition. Taeja used to be able to do it for a summer at a stretch, but only in weekend tournaments. Serral’s obviously at the top table of the game, sadly SC2 has the same problem professional boxing does, where the fans want the best of the best to fight more often, but it just doesn’t happen enough. Appraisal of him anywhere between the two extremes of patchzerg or GOAT would be nice Yeah, 4 consecutive Code S finals and 3 consecutive Code S titles isn't probably enough. Or being in almost every final of 2018. You want objective look at Serral? Maybe start at yourself and do the same for Koreans. On April 08 2019 14:40 stilt wrote: This is obvious smurfing. Who's behind that ? Deacon, Boggyb, mariano, charoisure, starkiller, Dieucure ? Or another self entilted white knight fighting for the purity of the game ? Anyway so brave and what a toxic community. It's quite tiring to face a bunch of haters trolling in every threads of tournaments including a specific player. I bet I'll be warned or banned for this post but seeing continiously this kind of behavior is really triggering. You either can't read or don't remember what some people post, e.g. me, DieuCure or Charoisaur. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 08 2019 09:51 Wombat_NI wrote: There isn’t a player in the scene that can win with the consistency of 2018 Serral, and some of that was vs lower opposition. Taeja used to be able to do it for a summer at a stretch, but only in weekend tournaments. Imagine winning two tournaments (that featured at least other top 10 players) and that being called the greatest consistency of anyone in the scene. Remember when Rogue won four korean weekenders in a row? Remember when Maru won three (maybe four or more) Code S in a row? Guess not. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
Well, hopefully Serral will improve from this. | ||
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curutcis
San Marino284 Posts
On a serious note, Serral is a beast even when he loses. He brought the final to a game 7 where 1 evo and perhaps 1 spine made the difference. Reynor clean, crisp, deceptive in game 7 but a bit shaken in 3 and 4. Great finals, looking forward to see how Serral and Reynor will do this year. Ps. Who would have thought that ravager, ling bane is the answer to battle mech. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2019 17:47 Fango wrote: Imagine winning two tournaments (that featured at least other top 10 players) and that being called the greatest consistency of anyone in the scene. Remember when Rogue won four korean weekenders in a row? Remember when Maru won three (maybe four or more) Code S in a row? Guess not. I can see how ordinary people on the forum on the internetz(!!) can and will forget this. But a professional caster who does this repeatadly and si NOT corrected by his co-caster, that's a shame and I will be writing about it every time. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
Rogue going on a tear was during my hiatus, Maru’s GSL tear too, although I was aware of the latter and have seen those VODs at least. I probably have to get checking weekenders for that period at some point as well. I’m not sure why that’s being focused on in a post where I say there’s a top tier of great players and bemoan that they don’t play enough. It’s a shame that Serral’s peak is now when the volume of SC2 tournies has declined a bit. As long as people keep it respectful and don’t become complete idiots having a foreign hope does drive up the hype a tad. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4730 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25428 Posts
On April 08 2019 22:43 Silvanel wrote: Dont You guys think afterwards there should be final match AM First place vs EU First place (or even better third vs third, second vs second and first vs first) a little bit of continental rivarly should bring lot of emotions of both sides of Atlantic. There 100% should be seems a wasted opportunity, especially considering they take place the day after each other. | ||
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NotSoHappy
445 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6931 Posts
On April 08 2019 15:42 deacon.frost wrote: Yeah, 4 consecutive Code S finals and 3 consecutive Code S titles isn't probably enough. Or being in almost every final of 2018. You want objective look at Serral? Maybe start at yourself and do the same for Koreans. Every Serral fanboy ever (besides Dave maybe) applauds to the brilliance of Maru, Classic and soO. It really is just blind Korean fanatism to not see that | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
On April 08 2019 09:18 Xain0n wrote: The hate towards Serral is simply pathetic; those sore losers will not get over the fact Serral actually was the best and most accomplished player last year beating the korean Élite. Maybe they could have digested it better if it was just Stats or Classic, impressive yet underrated champions who play the "wrong" race; the filthy foreigner abhuman instead dared to rob the latest hope of the truly skilled and thus deserves to be mindlessly hated forever the way cheaters and matchfixers are. There would be appropriate ways to criticize Serral's relatively subpar 2019, like the fact he lost in every matchup and that he is, at once, losing every final set of the series just as he was undeafeated at in 2018; they instead prefer to resort to irritating and false concepts like "patchzerg"(if Team Liquid's writers would ever decide to make an article about Serral NOT being a patchzerg, quite the opposite instead, I think some of my previous posts could be of use). It is also impressive how vocal those people are, evidence suggests they are aren't that many yet the volume of their posts on this forum would make anyone think they are an overbearing majority. Maybe the toxic behavior by Serral "haters" is caused by the just as obnoxious behaviour by Serral fanboys? And just so you know, everyone who refers to him as Patchzerg is joking. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15962 Posts
On April 08 2019 15:04 starkiller123 wrote: I can't decide if I am honored or angry that you included me on that list, but come on it has to be Rodya He reminded me of usopsama actually but he's not banned and I don't know why he'd make a smurf. Edit: now that a read the name backwards... ugh... | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 09 2019 00:38 Charoisaur wrote: Maybe the toxic behavior by Serral "haters" is caused by the just as obnoxious behaviour by Serral fanboys? And just so you know, everyone who refers to him as Patchzerg is joking. I may be wrong, but I don't remember Serral "fanboys" swarming live reports of series where your favourite koreans player lost mass commenting how overrated they are, how much do they suck and how vain are their accomplishments the way you guys do when he loses. I have seen GOAT calls and veneration that, I agree, can be irritating but no way close to this level of toxicity. And just so that you know, not everyone who refers to him as a patchzerg is joking, unfortunately. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On April 09 2019 00:42 Charoisaur wrote: He reminded me of usopsama actually but he's not banned and I don't know why he'd make a smurf. Edit: now that a read the name backwards... ugh... Good catch lol | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 09 2019 03:56 Xain0n wrote: I may be wrong, but I don't remember Serral "fanboys" swarming live reports of series where your favourite koreans player lost mass commenting how overrated they are, how much do they suck and how vain are their accomplishments the way you guys do when he loses. I have seen GOAT calls and veneration that, I agree, can be irritating but no way close to this level of toxicity. And just so that you know, not everyone who refers to him as a patchzerg is joking, unfortunately. Because every side has their own truth, right?  NANANANANAAN CAN'T HEAR YOU NANANANANANAUser was warned for this post. | ||
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