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i'm hyped to witness history! | ||
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Love it already. | ||
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Haven't seen head to head numbers that high | ||
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On April 03 2019 18:46 NExt wrote: Holy crap 30:20 I never understood the history between them haha didn't realise they played so many games. Haven't seen head to head numbers that high That is high, but I'm not surprised numbers like that exist at this point. | ||
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On April 03 2019 18:54 The_Templar wrote: I never liked watching strategies like this, but whatever. It works. Feels kind of confusing to watch mass immortals against queens/lings though. I mean I don't like a cheese in general, but at least this one wasn't fast and it was a struggle, so it was kind of exciting. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On April 03 2019 18:56 fastr wrote: That was still a great defense by Classic. There is no good unit to make against that much queens, air units are obviously not the answer, no unit in the game has bonus damage against queens I believe. archons | ||
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BerserkSword
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On April 03 2019 18:55 Noocta wrote: Killing that many queens as protoss when you have so few units must feel so difficult. that's because it is difficult | ||
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On April 03 2019 19:06 deacon.frost wrote: Dark on that picture looks MC-ish, he needs to start singing and he will be MC 2.0z The facial expression really makes it. | ||
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deacon.frost
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Exactly. | ||
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Durnuu
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On April 03 2019 19:16 Charoisaur wrote: why hide this on the map when you killed the overlords with phoenixes?? MINDGAMES | ||
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deacon.frost
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On April 03 2019 19:19 sneakyfox wrote: Dark is like the young upstart getting a sobering lesson from his master Yeah, big map, didn't find a proxy, BO loss. So better play, wow | ||
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fastr
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deacon.frost
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On April 03 2019 19:22 fastr wrote: Robo first, interesting IMO Classic knows Dark has the upper hand in a long macro game thus he will go into heavy aggressive play. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On April 03 2019 19:22 deacon.frost wrote: Yeah, big map, didn't find a proxy, BO loss. So better play, wow Not the play itself, it's all about the strategy, the planning, the mindgames | ||
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deacon.frost
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On April 03 2019 19:24 sneakyfox wrote: Not the play itself, it's all about the strategy, the planning, the mindgames Well yeah, Classic looks very well prepared, but to me your post was mostly about the play. | ||
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Classic move when defending with the storm. Thankfully for Classic most probes were dead | ||
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On April 03 2019 19:32 Charoisaur wrote: nooooooo not another ro4 loss As expected | ||
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On April 03 2019 19:33 Charoisaur wrote: Infestors aren't bad but when the rest of your army consists of only roach vs mass immortal it obviously won't work Yeah, I feel like Dark needed a lot more time if that strategy was going to work. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On April 03 2019 19:33 Charoisaur wrote: Infestors aren't bad but when the rest of your army consists of only roach vs mass immortal it obviously won't work Maybe controlling the immortals? | ||
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On April 03 2019 19:32 Pandemona wrote: Holy smokes the immortals are PUMPING lol Countered everything except for the big dogs. I got hyped when I saw Dark target the HTs with the neurals then realised it was roaches vs 8 immortals. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
infestors against a 3 base protoss pumping robo gateway smh | ||
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Pandemona
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On April 03 2019 19:34 NExt wrote: Countered everything except for the big dogs. I got hyped when I saw Dark target the HTs with the neurals then realised it was roaches vs 8 immortals. Yeah that was pretty much the same as me. I thought would great strat, then was like oh wait Archons not doing much whilst neural'd | ||
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Durnuu
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On April 03 2019 19:35 Pandemona wrote: Yeah that was pretty much the same as me. I thought would great strat, then was like oh wait Archons not doing much whilst neural'd Neuraling the immortals is great in theory obviously, but in this case he couldn't realistically neural them because the immortals were behind the archons. If he neurals the immortals, he has to get his infestors closer and would get them smashed by the archons. | ||
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Penev
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On April 03 2019 19:32 sneakyfox wrote: This is a really good series. Classic is such a big head chin power | ||
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NExt
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On April 03 2019 19:35 swarminfestor wrote: I think neural strategy still work when Dark uses lings and banes instead. This would be true but remember Classic had 4 archon double warp prism going down. Wouldn't have been an option. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On April 03 2019 19:34 Pandemona wrote: I think Darks strat was fine after the muta into infestors, but heed needed to neural the Immortals as well, he literally just took 4 Archons and they just didn't really do anything. Taking 2-3 Immortals out of that fight probably would have worked wonders. Then again maybe just going Roach Hydra also would have worked better... How do you neural immortals when they are behind several archons? | ||
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Pandemona
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On April 03 2019 19:36 Durnuu wrote: Neuraling the immortals is great in theory obviously, but in this case he couldn't realistically neural them because the immortals were behind the archons. If he neurals the immortals, he has to get his infestors closer and would get them smashed by the archons. Also very true, so in reality that strat would have taken some really big outplay on behalf of Dark to make it work. He would have had to probably have burrow infestors at the very least or do some very sick counter surround or something lol. On April 03 2019 19:37 BerserkSword wrote: How do you neural immortals when they are behind several archons? Well he wrapped around with the roaches to the back or they came from the back/side whilst the infestors were at the front with the archons no? But yeah i guess burrow was needed. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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Nah, Archons and HTs would just kill the Infestors then, the reason this worked is because Archons are so big that other units couldn't pass through them to the Infestors, and they killed HTs quickly. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On April 03 2019 19:38 Ramiz1989 wrote: Nah, Archons and HTs would just kill the Infestors then, the reason this worked is because Archons are so big that other units couldn't pass through them to the Infestors, and they killed HTs quickly. The way classic went for third it would have been possible from the highground of 2nd? But that's just theory. Save mutas, neural archons, kill immortals, we can theory craft mucho | ||
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Pandemona
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On April 03 2019 19:41 Noonius wrote: all Classic has to do to prep for the final is defend proxies This is his 2nd proxy in 4 maps himself to be fair! :D | ||
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deacon.frost
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Edit> disappointed | ||
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On April 03 2019 19:37 Pandemona wrote: Also very true, so in reality that strat would have taken some really big outplay on behalf of Dark to make it work. He would have had to probably have burrow infestors at the very least or do some very sick counter surround or something lol. Well he wrapped around with the roaches to the back or they came from the back/side whilst the infestors were at the front with the archons no? But yeah i guess burrow was needed. yea the infestors were near the spine crawlers when classic's army touched down at dark's position. The thing is, it was basically 6 or so archons barrelling down into the the spine/infestor line, with the 8+ immortals and high templars much farther behind. those infestors couldnt go near the ht/immortal death ball anyway. it was just a weak strategy imo, especially when the only backup is roaches | ||
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Noonius
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On April 03 2019 19:42 Pandemona wrote: This is his 2nd proxy in 4 maps himself to be fair! :D toss is scum in general, for them it's standard opening | ||
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Is there a PvZ style where you can actually just go straight up toe to toe with a Zerg or do you have to rotate around a bunch of tricks and timing attacks? | ||
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sunnyshine
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did he just throw away a thousand minerals for nothing?? | ||
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On April 03 2019 19:52 NExt wrote: Umm what is happening he didn't even stop the natural You don't need to with this build. Basically Classic scouted low gas spine and all you do against this is basically cut gas mining and mass cannons but he lost his probe which made it super easy for Dark. | ||
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NExt
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On April 03 2019 19:54 Charoisaur wrote: this is weird Lol artosis is brutal. This is a plat game | ||
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nojok
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On April 03 2019 20:01 Charoisaur wrote: is Dark throwing? no | ||
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Durnuu
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On April 03 2019 20:01 Charoisaur wrote: is Dark throwing? He's waiting for game 7 before doing that | ||
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Pandemona
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On April 03 2019 20:08 M2 wrote: this series is basically will the zerg reacts to the next consecutive cheese fast enough or not Whilst i agree, i think its 90% correct only. That game 2 build from Classic was pure StarCraft perfection from my eyes. Was build one thing into the next into a scriptive masterclass of how he wanted the series to be | ||
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On April 03 2019 20:11 ShAd_1337 wrote: dark has all the infos. HE GOT THIS immortal stronk | ||
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dark will never win a premier title again or what | ||
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Maru kill his dream please! For money! | ||
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BerserkSword
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sick game sick series | ||
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NExt
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(((there is the faintest chance of a PvP finals))) | ||
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neutralrobot
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On April 03 2019 18:36 neutralrobot wrote: Classic figured out how to win vs Dark. He made Dark say something cocky. Dark curse into auto-loss. Classic wins now. Look, at this point, I can't be the only one who's noticed this curse... | ||
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Pandemona
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But still, great fun series. Classic vs Maru would be AMAZING as Classic brings the best out Maru their series' are normally amazing. | ||
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MarianoSC2
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It was closer than I thought but in the end the winner was obvious. Dark the choker in big games... | ||
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On April 03 2019 20:23 Majick wrote: wow 10k watching GSL live? at this time? is it normal? There were like 3k on youtube too | ||
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On April 03 2019 20:23 Majick wrote: wow 10k watching GSL live? at this time? is it normal? Used to be way more or is that what you mean? | ||
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sneakyfox
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On April 03 2019 20:23 Majick wrote: wow 10k watching GSL live? at this time? is it normal? ppl starting to realize all other life activities are worthless compared to GSL | ||
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deacon.frost
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On April 03 2019 20:24 swarminfestor wrote: Classic will be the one who dethrones Maru in the final. Mark my word. Doesn't matter as the other finalist is the one receiving the Blizzcon invite  | ||
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Majick
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I mean it's quite a lot. I thought GSL doesn't have such high numbers live. Especially when whole Europe is at work/school now. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
How much more? I remember around 14k and considering that at least 2k peops were watchin on YouTube... | ||
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Xain0n
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I'm even more disappointed than usual, Classic avoided the lategame in(at least) the last eleven games against Zerg in Code S and Dark still can't build up a more effective defense in g7? | ||
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Penev
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On April 03 2019 20:27 Majick wrote: I mean it's quite a lot. I thought GSL doesn't have such high numbers live. Especially when whole Europe is at work/school now. It used to be way more and than stabelized at 15k for a while. After that it decreased a bit more on average. This 13k (Twitch plus YT) is pretty normal for a semis I'd say. | ||
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On April 03 2019 20:31 Penev wrote: It used to be way more and than stabelized at 15k for a while. After that it decreased a bit more on average. This 13k (Twitch plus YT) is pretty normal for a semis I'd say. IIRC it was 14k for ro16, could be 20k for groups of death. RO4 used to be around 18k tops? Not sure, I member mostly the 14k. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On April 03 2019 20:25 kyllinghest wrote: Classic is like a lot of the WoL terrans, so good at abusing all the bullshit! Again and again he is mechanically inferior, but he always seems to find a way. Wp, good luck in the finals, will be a massive struggle if its Maru though! ??? classic is not mechanically inferior his mechanics are insane. his decision making is inferior which is why he is worse at late game the reason he cant play late game PvZ is because lategame PvZ is all about decision making and being able to navigate and keep up with the zerg army compositions, because if you have the wrong composition against late game zerg you'll just get massacred. we just saw it happen in late game vs rogue and late game vs dark. against rogue he decided to stick with his immortal composition and decided to push, only to get melted by a ball of hydras. same thing against dark - he kept building immortal based compositions, kept trading poorly against swarm host ravager, and then just got rolled by brood lords compare to someone like neeb whose strengths are understanding of the game and decision making and you have yourself a top 2 PvZ player in the world on the flip side, classic is a monster PvP player because PvP is about mechanics. whereas neeb sometimes gets slaughtered in PvP as his mechanics are inconsistent | ||
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On April 03 2019 20:42 deacon.frost wrote: That's why Classic is able to micro 2 warp prisms... he's no Zest for macro either, his mechanics are top notch. warp prism micro? what is that? i thought protoss was just a move + storm?? | ||
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United States5523 Posts
On April 03 2019 20:42 deacon.frost wrote: That's why Classic is able to micro 2 warp prisms... he's no Zest for macro either, his mechanics are top notch. Agree. There's a video, maybe from SSL, where they highlight Classics first person view and his mechanics were nuts. Plus just watch him play. Infuriating maybe, but very very legitimately good. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 03 2019 20:52 BerserkSword wrote: warp prism micro? what is that? i thought protoss was just a move + storm?? He used to be a Terran therefore an exception to the rule? | ||
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On April 03 2019 23:02 Haukinger wrote: Now, I would have been so surprised to see Dark get to the finals... no Zerg has been in the GSL finals for two years (not to even talk about winning, which was Life four (!) years ago). You can blame foreigner lands where it appears only Zergs/Protosses are allowed. Scarlett, Reynor, Neeb, Serral... | ||
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On April 03 2019 20:25 sneakyfox wrote: ppl starting to realize all other life activities are worthless compared to GSL It's true. I got up at 5:45am to watch. | ||
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On April 03 2019 23:16 deacon.frost wrote: You can blame foreigner lands where it appears only Zergs/Protosses are allowed. Scarlett, Reynor, Neeb, Serral... I would say we should be grateful to foreignerlands where Zerg are capable of winning regional championships. | ||
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kmh
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The stuff he did is the hardest and most frustrating part of the matchup to deal with for me, so that was kinda painful to see. | ||
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BisuDagger
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On April 04 2019 00:30 Kimb3r wrote: Incredible how Dark lost every match because he didn't scout the proxies/pushes in time.. -.- Game 5 he responded great to the proxies. He won that because of his reactions and decision to make that group of lings. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On April 04 2019 00:55 BisuDagger wrote: Game 5 he responded great to the proxies. He won that because of his reactions and decision to make that group of lings. Yeah that was good, as well as the defense of the cannon rush... but every other game he lost, because he saw the strategy too late.. incredible how reactive he played and how Classic could dismantle him with very well timed and executed pushes - every game was just lost after the first push... | ||
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mierin
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On April 04 2019 03:14 Anc13nt wrote: Hope Classic will end Maru's reign of terror. Yep. | ||
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neutralrobot
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On April 04 2019 03:14 Anc13nt wrote: Hope Classic will end Maru's reign of terror. I apparently hold grudges for a long time. I think I still haven't forgiven Classic for knocking Maru out of the GSL in 2014 season 2. | ||
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