EPTI really don't hate parting
I juste never understood all the hype around him
He won a 100K showmatch against creator, the less stack 25K tournament ever a homestory cup and a dreamhack
Consistant but never dominant
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
I really don't hate parting I juste never understood all the hype around him He won a 100K showmatch against creator, the less stack 25K tournament ever a homestory cup and a dreamhack Consistant but never dominant | ||
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Anc13nt
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 05 2019 06:50 Nakajin wrote: Honestly I can't shake the idea that BuyN was a patchTerran, I know he had amazing micro, a dominating 2016 and was good at the start of SC2, but mass reaper was utter bullshit. Seeing him beat Losira with mass reaper on Proxima Station, a map with an in-base natural, three bases behind a choke and no cliff surface area to speak of was pretty funny. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27268 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 05 2019 06:50 Nakajin wrote: Honestly I can't shake the idea that BuyN was a patchTerran, I know he had amazing micro, a dominating 2016 and was good at the start of SC2, but mass reaper was utter bullshit. That'd be because he was one. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7362 Posts
On June 05 2019 06:26 Anc13nt wrote: I think ByuN had better wins but Parting has much longer career as a top level player so he wins but it was close. Parting has the recency bias on his side. And he is doing quite good, probably Ro4 in GSL | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
On June 05 2019 17:22 Harris1st wrote: Parting has the recency bias on his side. And he is doing quite good, probably Ro4 in GSL What do you mean? Most of Parting's biggest achievements come from before Byun's GSL and WC. If anything, recency bias is against him. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18412 Posts
On June 05 2019 17:55 Yonnua wrote: What do you mean? Most of Parting's biggest achievements come from before Byun's GSL and WC. If anything, recency bias is against him. What he means is Parting was good and got all his major achievements. Then did military service, and came back now and is showing promise that he has recovered most of his form, and is on track for a high finish in this GSL. People know him, because he's good right now. ByuN had his big year in 2016, which may be more recent than Parting's wins, but is still a long time ago. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12133 Posts
On June 04 2019 17:34 Philozovic wrote: Parting is so overrated, almost as much as MC While ByuN was so good he was able to be good before his miracle and after his miracle  | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7362 Posts
On June 05 2019 18:31 Acrofales wrote: What he means is Parting was good and got all his major achievements. Then did military service, and came back now and is showing promise that he has recovered most of his form, and is on track for a high finish in this GSL. People know him, because he's good right now. ByuN had his big year in 2016, which may be more recent than Parting's wins, but is still a long time ago. Thank you  That is pretty much exactly what I meant you damn mind reader xD | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
Match 13  PartinG: 45 votes ByuN: 21 votesPartinG goes through!Match 14 Zest: 59 votesHuK: 6 votesZest is best! | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On May 30 2019 14:25 Anc13nt wrote: Surprised no one voted for Rain yet but hey I voted Stats. As good as Rogue is, MC has so many high placings that I think he wins out in the end. Edit: Even though Rain might not be greatest SC2 player, it's either him, Soulkey or Jaedong who are the greatest across both games. Is Rain the only Player (yet) to win a Starleague in both BW and SC2? | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
sOs vs  Jaedong: The moment we all have been waiting forCouldn't help myself, PG 13 warning+ Show Spoiler + This is it, the moment we have all been waiting for. It’s been a long and gruelling journey for the Tyran, but with his shear will, determination and killer instinct he has battle through everything. An absolute legend of Starcraft, a fan favorite, the greatest zerg we have ever seen take the stage. What an amazing choice of build to start things up, making decisive choice in the most stressful of situation, truly a mark of a great player, now he are about to witness the pinnacle of esport in front of our ….. wait is that a pylon? Oh a cannon rush, wow haha even sOs know he can’t do anything against JD, and in just a second your gonna see the futility of his effort… jussst a second… Oh another base, hidden at the third, what a genius response! What the fuck cannons there too!? How the fucking hell did he knew to check out there, jesus. Ok, well anyhow JD staying in the game, he knows that with the skills difference between him and his opponent he still has a good shot of crushing him even after that openiiiii… AAAAAndddd GG. Jaedong recognising this game his lost, no point staying in any longer. You just need to focus on the next one and forget about the lost, that the kind of strong spirit that got him so far. So this should be a good map for him, as soon as he get across the early game he got this…. Hidden base this time around, a cheeky strategy but against someone as smart as JD it’s probably gonna be sniff out quick. As soon as he sees how much stuff his opponent there is he will figure this out… Wow JD not even caring about the hidden expend, he now it’s there but he choose to ignore it and focus his attention on the main fight, what a baller. OH A SPIRE FROM JD! Jaedong of course very well known for his legendary mutalisk control that won him so many games against the like of Flash, Flash and of course Flash in Brood War. He’s gonna totally blind side the protoss, a great mind game to take back the control of the series… is that…is that a fucking phenix? Oh but a beautiful fungal!!! Such a sick play, that’s why he the greatest, good try sOs but not today! The base of the protoss now overrun by the muta! CANNONNS!? CANNONNS CAN SHOOT UP TOO? And of course, nexus hit like machine guns, why the fuck not right? Ok, ok whatever it’s a win everything's ok. Jaedong back on track and looking straight ahead! Hey… no no no JD! Just look in front of you there’s a thousand zealots, oh god are you serious. Pffffffffff Ok, The Tyran call his teammate, getting an outsider perspective may just be the thing he need to get back in. For fuck sake Revival? 100 000 bucks and you ask fucking REVIVAL? Just get this thing over with already. Oh how CUTE, sOs goes cannons rush AGAIN, fucking no skills, op race bullshit, no name player no one gonna remember you in 2 months when Blizz get off their ass and patches this cheeser race out of the game. IMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBAIMBA I would like to thanks Day9 and aviLo for the inspiration Mvp vs Stephano : The natural orderMvp and Stephano finding each other in the bracket and at then last of it nonetheless, is a curious coincidence. If you ask anyone who stopped following Starcraft in 2012 who was the greatest Korean and foreign player the answer would have been a no brainer, Mvp was the greatest Koreans and Stephano the greatest foreigner. This simple classification was already a preface to SC2 oldest discussion, who was better Koreans or foreigners? The King of Wings was an adequate Brood War player, nowhere near a great one, but someone good enough to be one of the few recognizable names in the first brackets of GSL and soon his name would become synonymous with the most glorious of Korean tournaments. He became the very first GSL “Code S” champion, and also the first terran champion in the first GSL of 2011, ending the tournament with only a single map loss to score the second best GSL run ever. (fittingly his only loss was in the semi-final against NesTea) It was the start of a 2 years dominance of the GSL circuit, he failed early in his next GSL, getting eliminated by eventual finalists July and MC. He would make good work of his stay in code A finishing second while also winning his second trophy at the GSL World Championship. A quick trip to North America would earn Mvp an MLG over MMA immediately followed by his second GSL code S. Funny side note, in the midst of a mountain of great play and decision making the highlight of his run was when he nuked Top main base production killing like 3 add on a depot with 4 nukes, a move which is clearly, undoubtedly, a terrible one but it look sick so who cares.The double MLG and GSL championships at the end of the 2011 summer would start an absolute domination until the year, between August and the end of the December Mvp would enter 8 tournaments, reaping 3 semi-final, 1 silver in GSL and 4 trophies. His run saw him dethrone Nestea at Blizzcon to claim the tittle of greatest player in WOL. The end of 2011 would bring health problem for Mvp, has his bad back was already starting to limit his practice, but he would nonetheless conquer his 4th GSL trophy, by stopping Squirtle reverse sweep with a ballsy 2 rax on the final map, showing once again his strategical genius.2012 was a lot harder on the king, but in his pursuit of the coveted G5L, he would month one last run in season 4 , eliminating his rival MMA in group stage, overcoming the Kespa champion Rain in the semi final and playing one of the great GSL final against fresh newcomer Life, whom aided by fresh hands the BL-infestor meta would overcome the prowess of the GSL King. With the end of WOL came the end of an era, Mvp left Korea for Europe, there he would make sure to give the tone for the years of Koreans dominance to come, getting a strong result in the IEM WC and conquering WCS EU with an easy win over Stephano in the final. Contrary to others great pre-kespa player, Mvp was only a shadow of himself outside of Korea, not aided by the fact that his back wasn’t getting better, he slowly faded away until he finally got knock out of Challenger and Starcraft, fittingly fellow man out of time MorroW at the end of 2014. Like his IM teammate Nestea, Mvp back half of his career was less than impressive, yet it’s a testament to his dominance in the first golden age of Starcraft 2 that it did nothing to spoil his legacy as the game champion, even earning the TL title of “Greatest of all time” a few years back.At the start of Starcraft, before foreigners got their face relentlessly pound in the ground, there was still an argument to be made that Starcraft the game wouldn’t be dominated by Korean like his ancestor. When 2011 came around the hope of the early days was already starting to fade as Koreans were not only consistently winning in their home land but starting to go abroad getting success in North America and Europe. Foreigners needed a champion and he unexpectedly came in the form of a young French party animal. Stephano strong roaches pushes and control of the late game army earn him immediate success in Starcraft 2, apparently a prodigy of the game he won IPL season 3 then ESWC in front of his home crowd overcoming Koreans both times. The newly crown best foreigner would keep dominating the foreign scene, reaching eight more premier top 4 in 2012 including an impressive display of strength in NASL beating HerO, MC and Alica on his way to an NASL as well as a victory over the Durán brothers in the first European championship. Stephano exuberance, his multiple claim that he had a lax practice regiment and his tendency for drama made him the perfect figure to oppose to the image of the soft-spoken Koreans practice machines and as time when on it became increasingly clear that Stephano was the only foreigner able to keep up with the Korean elite. Adequately, stakes were high when he decided to try the GSL at the end of WOL as some saw the chance for him to truly have a shot to take the title of best in the world outside of Korea, but an early elimination in the round of 32 after 2 loses to INnoVation crush that dream early. Stephano would hold on to his crown of best foreigner at the start of HOTS, crushing ForGG soul to get to the final of WCS EU, but like previously mentioned failing against Mvp at the epilogue of Starcraft 2 first age. Stephano announce his retirement shortly after, it would be the first time we realize that retirement meant nothing in Starcraft as he kept playing in tournaments every year, but like Mvp he always be remember for his WOL days, in the last 32 tournaments he entered he reached only two top 8. Stephano “departure” left a void in the foreign scene, and for half a decade no one would be able to carry the hope of the foreign scene. LOTV and tournament rules changes gave a new boost to the foreign scene but Stephano still represent the best the foreign scene had to offer when the game was in his A days. Polls are open until Saturday June 8 around 8pm EST Theses polls are closed | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 05 2019 01:45 Nakajin wrote: Also, if everything goes to plan, next round will feature one of TeamLiquid oldest tradition: The battle report! I'll try to analyses each player best/most famous/ most influencial game (or maybe series) to try to show why they deserve a spot in the top 8. That would be amazing, i think everyone should post what they think were the best games of these fantastic players. Byun vs Parting was an interesting one(kinda sad). I think they are doppelgangers of each other in playstyle(just like Rain and Stats), yet they play different races. Both have won Blizzcon(or its equivalent) on the back of their one infamous build only they could execute to perfection. Both are also outsiders of the whole Kespa thing and they both show a lot of personality. Neither of them is the GOAT, or top 10 but another thing they have in common is they hold the #1 spot in many fans hearts. On June 05 2019 06:50 Nakajin wrote: Honestly I can't shake the idea that BuyN was a patchTerran, I know he had amazing micro, a dominating 2016 and was good at the start of SC2, but mass reaper was utter bullshit. Byun is a patch Terran in the sense that the current state of affairs was tailored perfectly for his wins, everything that made Terran strong back then happened to be the areas where Byun was exceptional: Small skirmishes with a few units, plus some of the best reaper maps in the pool. The patch helped him, yes, but it was his alone. Inno, Maru and TY could never get the 2-1-1 to work against everything, or to make miracles with tankivacs, or to destroy other players with reapers alone. As soon as Terran shifted back to a more methodical, tactical play instead of a quick micro showoff he fell. That style was only possible in 2016 LoTV and he was the only one to master it. And yes, he still has the best Terran micro of all time. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 06 2019 09:15 AzAlexZ wrote: Is Rain the only Player (yet) to win a Starleague in both BW and SC2? Soulkey. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Jealous
10359 Posts
On June 06 2019 12:46 Morbidius wrote: Edit: Messed up my copy and past sorry. I messed up my past too. | ||
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Amarillo Caballero
United States72 Posts
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On June 06 2019 13:37 Amarillo Caballero wrote: sOs being a two time World champion and having the most career wins in Proleague should get more support for greatest of all time imo. He hasn't won a GSL, but the achievements he does have are more impressive imo. I think he's probably in top 15 but winning 2 Blizzcon is not as impressive as winning 6 Starleagues as Maru did. | ||
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