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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
March 01 2019 22:44 GMT
#2281
TY is the GOAT
TL+ Member
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 01 2019 22:46 GMT
#2282
i think we need 3 moar dreamhack events(no wcs point) where both koreans and foriengers can compete to see how terran players handle weekender bracket
outside of korean,they haven't been doing too well in this kind of bracket ever since maru got WESG cup which is quite weird cuz every terran got eliminated in tournament historically wasn't weak at weekender at all
herwo
Profile Joined January 2019
199 Posts
March 01 2019 22:46 GMT
#2283
On March 02 2019 07:25 sertman wrote:
also shout out to ragnarok his stream is great because he's got sick mechanics so it's nice to see him do well in a tournament finally


yeah maybe he'll get some more viewers now that people have been seeing his name a bit. it's one of the better streams
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
March 01 2019 22:46 GMT
#2284
On March 02 2019 07:31 seemsgood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:23 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:21 WickedBit wrote:
Lol Serral's looking like he will get a free ride to the finals. As for TY, even if he beats Solar and Dark, he will probably loose to Stats in the semi's. So another Stats vs Serral final incoming!!

I honestly think soO is actually a threat to Serral, he always has insane zvz. But yeah overall I'm sure he is very happy with all the Protoss players on his side of the bracket

insane ???? actually his zvz makes me sad....that guy needs to avoid zvz at all cost

What do you base this on? The only zvz series he's lost this year is 1 against Solar, he's won all the rest o_o

I haven't watched his zvz games lately so don't have a personal opinion but based on his results it should be stellar. Whats you basis for this?
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Athenau
Profile Joined March 2015
570 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 22:47:52
March 01 2019 22:47 GMT
#2285
On March 02 2019 07:31 Proko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:29 seemsgood wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:25 Proko wrote:
Lot of Terran balance whine about this tourney. Meanwhile in the GSL [image loading]

terran is batman and batman needs time dude
there kind of all-in builds in gsl i don't think terran players could spam it over and over again in weekend format


The only point I'm trying to make is that Terran seems to be doing fine at the top level, even if Katowice has been lackluster.

How is IEM not the highest level? All the top Koreans and all the top foreigners were at this tourney.

And "lackluster" is a pretty kind way to describe one Terran making it to the ro12.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
March 01 2019 22:47 GMT
#2286
On March 02 2019 07:44 DieuCure wrote:
TY is the GOAT

On March 02 2019 07:13 Penev wrote:
TY has this

I Protoss winner, could it be?
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
March 01 2019 22:47 GMT
#2287
On March 02 2019 07:20 nojok wrote:
Even foreigners are doing better than terran with 2 qualified players, it says it all.


lol nice try

the two qualified foreigners are neeb, who was the first foreigner to win a premier tournament on korean soil, and serral, the reigning champion

not your two run of the mill foreigners
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Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
March 01 2019 22:48 GMT
#2288
On March 02 2019 07:47 Athenau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:31 Proko wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:29 seemsgood wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:25 Proko wrote:
Lot of Terran balance whine about this tourney. Meanwhile in the GSL [image loading]

terran is batman and batman needs time dude
there kind of all-in builds in gsl i don't think terran players could spam it over and over again in weekend format


The only point I'm trying to make is that Terran seems to be doing fine at the top level, even if Katowice has been lackluster.

How is IEM not the highest level? All the top Koreans and all the top foreigners were at this tourney.


I'm pretty sure I said the opposite of what you think I said.
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 01 2019 22:48 GMT
#2289
On March 02 2019 07:39 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:31 seemsgood wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:23 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:21 WickedBit wrote:
Lol Serral's looking like he will get a free ride to the finals. As for TY, even if he beats Solar and Dark, he will probably loose to Stats in the semi's. So another Stats vs Serral final incoming!!

I honestly think soO is actually a threat to Serral, he always has insane zvz. But yeah overall I'm sure he is very happy with all the Protoss players on his side of the bracket

insane ???? actually his zvz makes me sad....that guy needs to avoid zvz at all cost

well his highest win rate is vs zerg and his recent zvz form is even better soooo

but according to lambo none of them(koreans) has any clue in this match up tho
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 01 2019 22:49 GMT
#2290
On March 02 2019 07:46 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:31 seemsgood wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:23 starkiller123 wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:21 WickedBit wrote:
Lol Serral's looking like he will get a free ride to the finals. As for TY, even if he beats Solar and Dark, he will probably loose to Stats in the semi's. So another Stats vs Serral final incoming!!

I honestly think soO is actually a threat to Serral, he always has insane zvz. But yeah overall I'm sure he is very happy with all the Protoss players on his side of the bracket

insane ???? actually his zvz makes me sad....that guy needs to avoid zvz at all cost

What do you base this on? The only zvz series he's lost this year is 1 against Solar, he's won all the rest o_o

I haven't watched his zvz games lately so don't have a personal opinion but based on his results it should be stellar. Whats you basis for this?

yeah I really have no idea what he is talking about, historically zvz has always been soO's best matchup and there is nothing to indicate that that has changed recently
Athenau
Profile Joined March 2015
570 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 22:52:53
March 01 2019 22:52 GMT
#2291
On March 02 2019 07:48 Proko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:47 Athenau wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:31 Proko wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:29 seemsgood wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:25 Proko wrote:
Lot of Terran balance whine about this tourney. Meanwhile in the GSL [image loading]

terran is batman and batman needs time dude
there kind of all-in builds in gsl i don't think terran players could spam it over and over again in weekend format


The only point I'm trying to make is that Terran seems to be doing fine at the top level, even if Katowice has been lackluster.

How is IEM not the highest level? All the top Koreans and all the top foreigners were at this tourney.


I'm pretty sure I said the opposite of what you think I said.

You said:
The only point I'm trying to make is that Terran seems to be doing fine at the top level, even if Katowice has been lackluster.

The only way you could claim this is if you considered this IEM as not being "the top level", to which I pointed out that pretty much all the best players were at this tournament.

The fact that I have to spoon feed this to you is disappointing.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
March 01 2019 22:54 GMT
#2292
you guys all aren't getting it

we should buy as much skins as possible and simultaneously buy activision stock before it's too late and bobby kotick can just buy 9 private jets and not 10

come on
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-01 22:56:28
March 01 2019 22:55 GMT
#2293
On March 02 2019 07:52 Athenau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:48 Proko wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:47 Athenau wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:31 Proko wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:29 seemsgood wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:25 Proko wrote:
Lot of Terran balance whine about this tourney. Meanwhile in the GSL [image loading]

terran is batman and batman needs time dude
there kind of all-in builds in gsl i don't think terran players could spam it over and over again in weekend format


The only point I'm trying to make is that Terran seems to be doing fine at the top level, even if Katowice has been lackluster.

How is IEM not the highest level? All the top Koreans and all the top foreigners were at this tourney.


I'm pretty sure I said the opposite of what you think I said.

You said:
Show nested quote +
The only point I'm trying to make is that Terran seems to be doing fine at the top level, even if Katowice has been lackluster.

The only way you could claim this is if you considered this IEM as not being "the top level", to which I pointed out that pretty much all the best players were at this tournament.

The fact that I have to spoon feed this to you is disappointing.


Yeah, I named Katowice as part of the top level and said it was "lackluster" for terrans. It is however, a single data point. Terrans are doing great in GSL (well represented this season, TvT final last season) so maybe the balance whine is premature. That's my point.

edit: removed the snark.
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55562 Posts
March 01 2019 23:03 GMT
#2294
On March 02 2019 07:54 Penev wrote:
you guys all aren't getting it

we should buy as much skins as possible and simultaneously buy activision stock before it's too late and bobby kotick can just buy 9 private jets and not 10

come on

But how is that gonna make Terran win every tournament Penev?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
March 01 2019 23:07 GMT
#2295
On March 02 2019 08:03 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:54 Penev wrote:
you guys all aren't getting it

we should buy as much skins as possible and simultaneously buy activision stock before it's too late and bobby kotick can just buy 9 private jets and not 10

come on

But how is that gonna make Terran win every tournament Penev?

lootboxes
I Protoss winner, could it be?
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
March 01 2019 23:07 GMT
#2296
On March 02 2019 08:03 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:54 Penev wrote:
you guys all aren't getting it

we should buy as much skins as possible and simultaneously buy activision stock before it's too late and bobby kotick can just buy 9 private jets and not 10

come on

But how is that gonna make Terran win every tournament Penev?


Because of TY 's portrait
TL+ Member
Athenau
Profile Joined March 2015
570 Posts
March 01 2019 23:07 GMT
#2297
On March 02 2019 07:55 Proko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 07:52 Athenau wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:48 Proko wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:47 Athenau wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:31 Proko wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:29 seemsgood wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:25 Proko wrote:
Lot of Terran balance whine about this tourney. Meanwhile in the GSL [image loading]

terran is batman and batman needs time dude
there kind of all-in builds in gsl i don't think terran players could spam it over and over again in weekend format


The only point I'm trying to make is that Terran seems to be doing fine at the top level, even if Katowice has been lackluster.

How is IEM not the highest level? All the top Koreans and all the top foreigners were at this tourney.


I'm pretty sure I said the opposite of what you think I said.

You said:
The only point I'm trying to make is that Terran seems to be doing fine at the top level, even if Katowice has been lackluster.

The only way you could claim this is if you considered this IEM as not being "the top level", to which I pointed out that pretty much all the best players were at this tournament.

The fact that I have to spoon feed this to you is disappointing.


Yeah, I named Katowice as part of the top level and said it was "lackluster" for terrans. It is however, a single data point. Terrans are doing great in GSL (well represented this season, TvT final last season) so maybe the balance whine is premature. That's my point.

edit: removed the snark.

1. You did _not_ name IEM as part of the top-level. You said Terrans were doing fine at the top level even if Katowice was lackluster. The two things are not equivalent.
2. 6/16 Terrans in GSL (even representation is either 5 or 6) and 1/12 terrans in IEM is not by any stretch of the imagination "fine". It's either "too early to tell" or "bad".
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55562 Posts
March 01 2019 23:09 GMT
#2298
On March 02 2019 08:07 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 08:03 Elentos wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:54 Penev wrote:
you guys all aren't getting it

we should buy as much skins as possible and simultaneously buy activision stock before it's too late and bobby kotick can just buy 9 private jets and not 10

come on

But how is that gonna make Terran win every tournament Penev?


Because of TY 's portrait

I don't like the portraits.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
March 01 2019 23:10 GMT
#2299
On March 02 2019 08:09 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 08:07 DieuCure wrote:
On March 02 2019 08:03 Elentos wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:54 Penev wrote:
you guys all aren't getting it

we should buy as much skins as possible and simultaneously buy activision stock before it's too late and bobby kotick can just buy 9 private jets and not 10

come on

But how is that gonna make Terran win every tournament Penev?


Because of TY 's portrait

I don't like the portraits.

none? some of them are pretty good, I like the INno one
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
March 01 2019 23:13 GMT
#2300
On March 02 2019 08:09 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 08:07 DieuCure wrote:
On March 02 2019 08:03 Elentos wrote:
On March 02 2019 07:54 Penev wrote:
you guys all aren't getting it

we should buy as much skins as possible and simultaneously buy activision stock before it's too late and bobby kotick can just buy 9 private jets and not 10

come on

But how is that gonna make Terran win every tournament Penev?


Because of TY 's portrait

I don't like the portraits.


But it's a TY portrait mate
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