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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Serral vs JonSnow Serral Wins (34) JonSnow Wins (19) 53 total votes Your vote: Serral vs JonSnow Poll: ShaDoWn vs Scarlett Scarlett Wins (26) ShaDoWn Wins (12) 38 total votes Your vote: ShaDoWn vs Scarlett Poll: Lambo vs Zanster Lambo Wins (28) Zanster Wins (5) 33 total votes Your vote: Lambo vs Zanster Poll: DnS vs ShoWTimE ShoWTimE Wins (30) DnS Wins (3) 33 total votes Your vote: DnS vs ShoWTimE Poll: Has vs TIME Has Wins (23) TIME Wins (17) 40 total votes Your vote: Has vs TIME Poll: Semper vs HeRoMaRinE HeRoMaRinE Wins (26) Semper Wins (4) 30 total votes Your vote: Semper vs HeRoMaRinE Poll: uThermal vs Denver uThermal Wins (29) Denver Wins (5) 34 total votes Your vote: uThermal vs Denver | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Nayolbi
325 Posts
On September 08 2018 19:22 Fango wrote: SpeCial would beat the majority of players in this ro16. That group was a crime. Still triggered, 3 of the 5 best players in the tournament in a ro32 group | ||
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On September 08 2018 19:22 Fango wrote: SpeCial would beat the majority of players in this ro16. That group was a crime. well, with only 4 spots for the european qualifier, you will always have a number of top players coming form the groupstages 1+2, it's hard or impossible to avoid those loopsided groups with this setting i think | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On September 08 2018 18:37 207aicila wrote: Not gonna lie, it's pretty frustrating to see first the player spot mismanagement by DreamHack and then these absurd groups of death while half the other groups would have been free wins for someone of Snute's calibre... In general it kinda sucks to have so many fan favourites out in groups already... Especially when you know some of the players who somehow scraped by a victory against them are going to promptly get 3-0d by Serral or uThermal anyway. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 08 2018 19:44 uummpaa wrote: well, with only 4 spots for the european qualifier, you will always have a number of top players coming form the groupstages 1+2, it's hard or impossible to avoid those loopsided groups with this setting i think It may be hard but it's something dreamhack/wcs should be doing. Having some of the best players in the tournament facing off in early rounds is stupid. Snute losing in group stage 2 going 1-2 against Reynor and 3-2 against Harstem is a tragedy. Especially with only four of these events giving wcs points. It feels like bracket luck over skill for half these blizzcon spots. | ||
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Torrefy
41 Posts
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On September 08 2018 20:22 Fango wrote: It may be hard but it's something dreamhack/wcs should be doing. Having some of the best players in the tournament facing off in early rounds is stupid. Snute losing in group stage 2 going 1-2 against Reynor and 3-2 against Harstem is a tragedy. Especially with only four of these events giving wcs points. It feels like bracket luck over skill for half these blizzcon spots. oh, i totally agree with you, that something needs to change in that regard. my suggestion is to redistribute the qualifing spots, since i have no clue how to change the seeding to avoid these problems in a fair way | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
On September 08 2018 20:30 uummpaa wrote: oh, i totally agree with you, that something needs to change in that regard. my suggestion is to redistribute the qualifing spots, since i have no clue how to change the seeding to avoid these problems in a fair way Could we not somehow use WCS Point Rankings to some degree? To rank players and put them in certain groups. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On September 08 2018 21:12 EXRNaRa wrote: Could we not somehow use WCS Point Rankings to some degree? To rank players and put them in certain groups. Wouldn't that be a little too top-favoured? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On September 08 2018 21:18 Sakat wrote: Wouldn't that be a little too top-favoured? Is seeding players more unfair than doing the exact opposite and screwing over people who are better in favor of the worse ones having easier groups than them? | ||
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On September 08 2018 21:12 EXRNaRa wrote: Could we not somehow use WCS Point Rankings to some degree? To rank players and put them in certain groups. maybe, but what should "some degree" mean? and a lot of players (especially at the beginning of the season) don't have any points when they start in the early group stages. and if a player has one good weekend (remember two of the three runner ups this year where complete underdogs), they get even more values out of two or three good days. that wouldn't be fair either. and in addition the system shouldn't get to predetermined, or it gets more repetitive as it is already with all 4 WCS stops having the exact same setup | ||
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uummpaa
238 Posts
On September 08 2018 21:23 Ej_ wrote: Is seeding players more unfair than doing the exact opposite and screwing over people who are better in favor of the worse ones having easier groups than them? probably not. but consider this: player A has more WCS points than player B, both advance from the same group in stage2, B as the first, A as the second. how should get the "easier" group in stage 3? the player with more WCS points, or the one with the better result in the previous group? and if the solution is a mixture of both, then what would be a fair ratio? i honestly can't think of one, and i guess the guys at dreamhack have a similar problem, cause i can imagine that they want to have to top players in the tournament for as long as possible as well and aren't totally happy with the way it is right now | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On September 08 2018 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: I personally would prefer seeding because in my opinion it makes for a more exciting tournament, seeing the perceived best players duke it out in the later stages. But random draw is the "fair" solution because it does not favor anyone. "It does not favour anyone" is a bit misleading; more like it favours people randomly, not based on skill. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
I'm also ready to see series of disappointing games. Has to win it all Serral on a full T I L T, bordering a slump, only making it to the semis More retirement tweets I need a burger, Hesburger | ||
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
Europe gets not enough WCS Slots That Europe and North America gets same amount of Slots is a Joke if you compare the Amount of skilled Players | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 08 2018 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote: I personally would prefer seeding because in my opinion it makes for a more exciting tournament, seeing the perceived best players duke it out in the later stages. But random draw is the "fair" solution because it does not favor anyone. Random draw inherently favours the weaker players because it ignores actual skill when seeding them. It gives them a better chance at advancing further than they probably should (e.g. a top 40 player making the ro8 is more likely). It also gives top players a greater chance at losing in early rounds. A "fair" system isn't one than seeds everyone equally, it's one that seeds them based on how good they are. | ||
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