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Pandemona
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Poll: TY vs Neeb TY Wins (47) Neeb Wins (26) 73 total votes Your vote: TY vs Neeb | ||
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Bagration
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[PkF] Wire
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 TY 4-1  Neeb with a proxy galore. | ||
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starkiller123
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Although PvT right now isn't exactly known for its lategame | ||
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Weavel
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to win 4-2 | ||
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CaptainBurnTurn
United States80 Posts
Head: TY 4-2 Neeb Heart: Neeb 4-3 TY | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
go neeb | ||
Shellshock
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BretZ
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Pandain
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Noonius
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CursOr
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GL TY | ||
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TentativePanda
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 05 2018 14:11 TentativePanda wrote: Pssst. Maru is probably about to win 3 GSLs in a row :0 You seem to forget that Zest is best. Do not get cought by the lies of a perpetual 2 raxxer | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 05 2018 14:49 Noonius wrote: You seem to forget that Zest is best. Do not get cought by the lies of a perpetual 2 raxxer This must be a difficult time for you. Are you going to off yourself if the dirty cheeser wins a third in a row? | ||
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DieuCure
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RAPiDCasting
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ReachTheSky
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buffzerg33
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GL bro. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
Terran proxies are extremely strong right now though | ||
Poopi
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Destroy his soul | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
Heart: Neeb 4-0 TY Mostly because I want as little resistance as possible for Maru's 3rd GSL championship. I don't need the stress of Maru having potential difficulty in the finals! | ||
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Psychonian
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Kommander
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On September 05 2018 18:25 HolydaKing wrote: Anything can happen. The last few PvT games I've seen looked Protoss favored, so I'll go with Neeb winning tbh. Ehh I don't know, Terrans have been proxying like crazy vs Protoss lately and TY has been of the biggest abusers. Plus, Neeb is weak to cheese. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On September 05 2018 18:32 Kommander wrote: Ehh I don't know, Terrans have been proxying like crazy vs Protoss lately and TY has been of the biggest abusers. Plus, Neeb is weak to cheese. To be fair I have not watched ladder games at all, just some online cup games. We'll see I guess! | ||
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Durnuu
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Kommander
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On September 05 2018 18:41 HolydaKing wrote: To be fair I have not watched ladder games at all, just some online cup games. We'll see I guess! On cue lol | ||
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Ej_
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On September 05 2018 18:41 HolydaKing wrote: To be fair I have not watched ladder games at all, just some online cup games. We'll see I guess! TY reverse swept Classic 2 days ago with proxy reactor cyclones every game. | ||
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On September 05 2018 18:46 Ziggy wrote: That could have gone so much better for TY The game's still over lol | ||
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On September 05 2018 18:46 Ziggy wrote: That could have gone so much better for TY As if it's not good enough already. | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 05 2018 18:46 Ziggy wrote: That could have gone so much better for TY Eh he's 16 workers ahead, just needs to defend whatever Neeb tries in the next 3 minutes and he wins | ||
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Fango
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Psychonian
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On September 05 2018 18:49 Fango wrote: TY killed 9 probes and it somehow ended up being 12 workers to 33 ? TY never stopped making SCVs | ||
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IshinShishi
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On September 05 2018 18:48 Ziggy wrote: Also, Tasteless denigrating Dunkin Donuts is something I can't stand for, where would we, as a species, be without Boston Kreme? its funny how americans hammer their major brands and we idolize them in other countries, dunkin donuts is amazing. | ||
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Poopi
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All top terrans (Maru and TY) need to proxy Neeb :/ | ||
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Fango
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And Neeb stopped making workers past one base worth? | ||
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Psychonian
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Durnuu
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On September 05 2018 18:50 Poopi wrote: TvP is in a sad state right now All top terrans (Maru and TY) need to proxy Neeb :/ It's funny, when Protoss proxies, the proxies are broken and Protoss is imba but when Terran proxies it's because they can't win a macro game | ||
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Ej_
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On September 05 2018 18:50 Fango wrote: And Neeb stopped making workers past one base worth? He had to spend chrono on robo units. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 05 2018 18:50 Durnuu wrote: It's funny, when Protoss proxies, the proxies are broken and Protoss is imba but when Terran proxies it's because they can't win a macro game Don't worry there are still people saying that all these TvP proxies are imba and Maru/TY are abusers | ||
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207aicila
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On September 05 2018 18:49 IshinShishi wrote: its funny how americans hammer their major brands and we idolize them in other countries, dunkin donuts is amazing. It's also possible that those chains have differing quality depending on the country they're in. Every American says McDonald's is inhuman garbage food but as someone who lives in Europe it's pretty okay here for what it is. Maybe the EU doesn't let them get away with corner-cutting bullshit. | ||
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Ziggy
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On September 05 2018 18:52 207aicila wrote: It's also possible that those chains have differing quality depending on the country they're in. Every American says McDonald's is inhuman garbage food but as someone who lives in Europe it's pretty okay here for what it is. I'm pretty sure Maccy D's is equally shite everywhere | ||
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207aicila
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On September 05 2018 18:53 Ziggy wrote: I'm pretty sure Maccy D's is equally shite everywhere Not in my country.  | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 05 2018 18:52 207aicila wrote: It's also possible that those chains have differing quality depending on the country they're in. Every American says McDonald's is inhuman garbage food but as someone who lives in Europe it's pretty okay here for what it is. Maybe the EU doesn't let them get away with corner-cutting bullshit. For sure the EU has a much better control over the ingredients they can use, I've heard of this before quite a few times. | ||
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Noonius
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Durnuu
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On September 05 2018 18:54 Inflicted wrote: Mass widow mine + banshee, TY going for the mental victory can't wait for the M E C H A N I C follow-up | ||
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207aicila
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On September 05 2018 18:54 IshinShishi wrote: For sure the EU has a much better control over the ingredients they can use, I've heard of this before quite a few times. Yeah, in the states the corporations can just pay off legislators to let them get away with putting all kinds of shit in food. Why do you think everyone who's grown up elsewhere and moved to the States complains that their bread (yes the bread, staple food in many countries and cultures) is filled with sugar and almost impossible to eat as a result? Not to mention obesity stats and whatnot... Not trying to turn this into a flame war though so I'll stop here. | ||
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On September 05 2018 18:55 Durnuu wrote: can't wait for the M E C H A N I C follow-up Bonjwa | ||
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On September 05 2018 18:59 Inflicted wrote: Soon we'll see TaeJa play this while sniping every single observer to fully tilt the Protoss Will probably also get a bunch of ghosts to fully win the tech battle. | ||
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Inflicted
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On September 05 2018 19:04 IshinShishi wrote: and now we see why mech doesnt work against toss, because they walk in, unsplit, and kill your tanks. He broke the main tank line with a split attack, the second attack had like 3 tanks | ||
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Poopi
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not enough tho | ||
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IshinShishi
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On September 05 2018 19:05 Inflicted wrote: He broke the main tank line with a split attack, the second attack had like 3 tanks It was TY that made the mistake of splitting his army, against zerg/terran it was a win, against toss they walk in and kill your tanks. Overall I think TY played much better mechanically with an inferior strategy. | ||
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Parrek
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Fango
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On September 05 2018 19:05 The_Templar wrote: Widow mines aren't that great against protoss, huh? Neither are tanks I guess | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
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TY was not splitting his army very well. Neeb picked him apart | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
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On September 05 2018 19:08 yht9657 wrote: Aren't ranged libs much better in this situation? He would have likely died during the switch. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
This is a promising series so far lol | ||
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Fango
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:10 Meiya wrote: Wow, can Neeb really do this? He's mechanically better than TY, but TY definitely has more depth to his play | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:08 Psychonian wrote: Is...this a september techno remix? no, it's a september house remix | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:08 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: TY was not splitting his army very well. Neeb picked him apart He isn't supposed to split at all, he needed to continue to leap frog to Neeb's 4th with the entire army, and then the 3rd. Overall Neeb just moved his deathball here and there while TY tried to attack multiple points at once with little potential because a huge portion of his army was tied to defence. Also, Neeb isn't better than TY mechanically, not even close. | ||
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Ej_
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On September 05 2018 19:10 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: He's mechanically better than TY, but TY definitely has more depth to his play Are you going for the "Factually incorrect about both BW and SC2 games" award or what? | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:10 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: He's mechanically better than TY, but TY definitely has more depth to his play I don't think there's many people out there mechanically better than TY man | ||
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Poopi
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On September 05 2018 19:11 litLikeBic wrote: TY only lost bc he tried to mech vP I don't think we saw a solution to disruptors play yet in televised games, good for him he tried this | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:11 litLikeBic wrote: TY only lost bc he tried to mech vP Pretty much, it looked nice and fresh, but it also looked weak. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:11 IshinShishi wrote: He isn't supposed to split at all, he needed to continue to leap frog to Neeb's 4th with the entire army, and then the 3rd. Overall Neeb just moved his deathball here and there while TY tried to attack multiple points at once with little potential because a huge portion of his army was tied to defence. Also, Neeb isn't better than TY mechanically, not even close. I don't think TY knew about the 4th, didn't he split upon scanning it? | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:10 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: He's mechanically better than TY, but TY definitely has more depth to his play We don't know that yet. Neeb has only defended and hasn't tried to take initiative. Neeb has shown really deep play back when he was dominating WCS. When he slumped he started doing the same thing over and over again | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:13 Fango wrote: I don't think TY knew about the 4th, didn't he split upon scanning it? Correct | ||
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sneakyfox
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On September 05 2018 19:10 GreasedUpDeafGuy wrote: He's mechanically better than TY, but TY definitely has more depth to his play lol | ||
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sashkata
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There is no way he didn't know about the 4th even if he hadn't seen it. | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:15 sashkata wrote: There is no way he didn't know about the 4th even if he hadn't seen it. He didn't know for a very long time. He sat next to it for the better part of 2 minutes without even sending a scout there. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:15 sashkata wrote: There is no way he didn't know about the 4th even if he hadn't seen it. Then why did he ignore it for the longest time, then split his army the instant he scanned? He had a marine waiting at the other 4th location for a while, it's likely he expected Neeb to expand there instead. | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
starcraft 2? more like findmyproxycraft | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:17 Fango wrote: Then why did he ignore it for the longest time, then split his army the instant he scanned? He had a marine waiting at the other 4th location for a while, it's likely he expected Neeb to expand there instead. I think he didn't knew it too, his immediate response was bad and his recovery from the main battle "loss" was terrible as he also mismicroed his two medivacs at the 4th, he was caught off guard for sure. | ||
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except on 1 base | ||
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Heartland
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On September 05 2018 19:20 Meiya wrote: I'm not sure if this is more brain or balls from Neeb here... Some people have balls for brains | ||
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Parrek
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On September 05 2018 19:13 Parrek wrote: We don't know that yet. Neeb has only defended and hasn't tried to take initiative. Neeb has shown really deep play back when he was dominating WCS. When he slumped he started doing the same thing over and over again I WAS SAYING! NEEB HYPEEEE | ||
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Can't tell if this is an insult or not. | ||
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Noonius
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User was warned for this post | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:22 Ej_ wrote: Wow you really can't win a macro game as Protoss vs Terran if Neeb has to do this vs TY. This doesn't work because TY is a better player than Neeb ^^ Poor TY The matchup is reallyy hard right now | ||
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Parrek
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On September 05 2018 19:22 Noonius wrote: why are korean terrans so shit? Why is everyone shit vs Neeb? oh wait? GET THUNDERSHAFTED | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On September 05 2018 19:22 Ej_ wrote: Wow you really can't win a macro game as Protoss vs Terran if Neeb has to do this vs TY. did you not watch game 2? Neeb just beat him with macro and cheese | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:23 AzAlexZ wrote: did you not watch game 2? Neeb just beat him with macro and cheese I am pretty sure Ej was joking. | ||
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IshinShishi
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On September 05 2018 19:23 AzAlexZ wrote: did you not watch game 2? Neeb just beat him with macro and cheese macro with a big asterisk, there were cheese tanks involved. | ||
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thezanursic
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Two Korean finals taken by foreigners in a row, that'd be hilarious | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
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Cool as game 3 was, I think game 2 was what should make TY nervous. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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urghh its 4am in the morning excuse my french | ||
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Heartland
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On September 05 2018 19:27 AzAlexZ wrote: urghh its 4am in the morning excuse my french Everything Ej says is a joke | ||
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Durnuu
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That's what he wants you to think | ||
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Heartland
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not everyone can be as coldly logical as you and I | ||
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Ej_
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On September 05 2018 19:29 Heartland wrote: not everyone can be as coldly logical as you and I I identify as chaotic neutral. | ||
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Shellshock
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On September 05 2018 19:28 Heartland wrote: "perfect" micro PERFECT | ||
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Shellshock = True Neutral | ||
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As a lawful neutral, I disapprove. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:31 The_Templar wrote: Are phoenix builds actually good in PvT? Didn't seem too useful with helping the adepts there. I saw Rotti win with it on stream, he's mid EU GM | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:34 Inflicted wrote: which race do we complain about now Zerg, obviously. | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 05 2018 19:34 Inflicted wrote: which race do we complain about now random | ||
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HolydaKing
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edit: may be the wrong word. multitasking it is. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:34 Heartland wrote: are disruptors the solution to mass drops? They're definitely a solution to not being able to close out a game with anything but better big army fights. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:38 Heartland wrote: People who play like this should be drawn and quartered Starcraft is a tough game to play. | ||
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207aicila
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On September 05 2018 19:40 Ej_ wrote: Where's that guy who said Neeb had better mechanics? Troll account less than one month old. | ||
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The_Templar
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On September 05 2018 19:40 IshinShishi wrote: Ok, I think Neeb might've mismicroed one too many disruptors to come back I think he's actually winning now. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:43 Heartland wrote: Something something base trading Terran Doesn't matter if you bleed off a quarter of your army. | ||
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Poor TY At least you have godlike mechanics But this MU is unforgiving | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: This game is insane. Definitely going to be one of the best this year Not even close. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Yeah it's pretty good This game is insane. Definitely going to be one of the best this year | ||
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BARGAIN BASEMENT STARCRAFT 2 EVERYTHING MUST GO | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:45 yht9657 wrote: ARE WE GONNA HAVE A TIE? Oh yeah anyone remember when Tastosis tried to force the meme of pronouncing TY as tie? | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:47 Durnuu wrote: DQ Neeb immeditaly for talking in chat The only logical solution. | ||
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What a game though. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
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Maybe he was scared the army was bigger? | ||
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Go neeb | ||
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TY should have won that :/ | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:48 Poopi wrote: Disruptors have bad design TY should have won that :/ deserved to lose when he picked up his whole army in the face of protoss just lucky Neeb decided to make an equally big blunder | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:47 leublix wrote: Why would he pick up there? What a game though. Cause he's an amateur... | ||
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It was a great game with a lot of swings in momentum and epic fights. A few key mistakes, but that happens. TY thought he couldn't fight that army and tried to escape. Neeb was too in position | ||
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Fango
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Both players throwing actually made a draw. Perfect balance | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:49 Shellshock wrote: deserved to lose when he picked up his whole army in the face of protoss just lucky Neeb decided to make an equally big blunder he probably thought he can't win in a fight against Neeb's composition so he panicked out. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:49 Shellshock wrote: deserved to lose when he picked up his whole army in the face of protoss just lucky Neeb decided to make an equally big blunder Thing is, Neeb should've lost at that point already, he lost like 8 disruptors that did nothing, some didn't even fire shots. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:49 Shellshock wrote: deserved to lose when he picked up his whole army in the face of protoss just lucky Neeb decided to make an equally big blunder This mistake was huge but he couldn't ever win a straight up fight no matter his supply lead That makes no sense | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:49 Shellshock wrote: deserved to lose when he picked up his whole army in the face of protoss just lucky Neeb decided to make an equally big blunder TY thought he couldn't fight the army and made a split second decision under pressure to try to escape. It was a blunder, but not something that is impossible to happen | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:50 HolydaKing wrote: he probably thought he can't win in a fight against Neeb's composition so he panicked out. he probably couldn't, the Disruptors would cause too much damage. | ||
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Such a great semi finals!!! NEEEB !!! | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:49 Shellshock wrote: deserved to lose when he picked up his whole army in the face of protoss just lucky Neeb decided to make an equally big blunder While I fully agree that was a loss-worthy move, if it hadn't been for disruptors TY would've won that set 7 minutes earlier lol. | ||
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Heartland
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On September 05 2018 19:50 Poopi wrote: This mistake was huge but he couldn't ever win a straight up fight no matter his supply lead That makes no sense So 400 lings should win over 20 archons in a choke? edit: Changed it to be even clearer | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:50 Fango wrote: TY threw his lead by doomdropping the main too much, then lost it by losing his medivacs full of units. But then Neeb throws the game by not camping a nexus. Both players throwing actually made a draw. Perfect balance TY didn't need to retreat in the first doom drop, it was like he was trying to make moves that would be optimal but not needed and messed them up badly. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:51 Heartland wrote: So 400 lings should win over 20 archons in a choke? edit: Changed it to be even clearer Your example is bad, because in this case it's a composition against another composition, not one unit against one unit. Disruptor design is shit it seems obvious when you see such games | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:53 Poopi wrote: Your example is bad, because in this case it's a composition against another composition, not one unit against one unit. Disruptor design is shit it seems obvious when you see such games You're a silly little person. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:52 Psychonian wrote: Tastosis are truly fucking amazing Jumping up and down on my couch. Loving the play loving the passion from tastosis! | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:53 yht9657 wrote: Imagine this game ends up exactly the same as last one I for one will look forward to a game 9. | ||
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Parrek
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On September 05 2018 19:51 207aicila wrote: While I fully agree that was a loss-worthy move, if it hadn't been for disruptors TY would've won that set 7 minutes earlier lol. That's why I love disruptors. They allow both players to have a way to come back into the game. TY could have microed better and countered Neeb's disruptors better, but Neeb played a style of a thousand small cuts. It used to be Terran could micro circles around Protoss and Protoss had no real way to micro back | ||
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Croatia238 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:51 207aicila wrote: While I fully agree that was a loss-worthy move, if it hadn't been for disruptors TY would've won that set 7 minutes earlier lol. but they exist and I'm pretty sure TY has heard of them before. he played worse in total and deserved a loss. by the chance of a stupid game mechanic, he got a draw. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:53 yht9657 wrote: Imagine this game ends up exactly the same as last one Now that'd be something. Pretty sure I've never seen consecutive draws | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:55 dankobanana wrote: but they exist and I'm pretty sure TY has heard of them before. he played worse in total and deserved a loss. by the chance of a stupid game mechanic, he got a draw. By the chance of Neeb (who had double the army supply) not realizing he should've defended his nexus. For what it's worth Terran building float has been around in Starcraft much longer than stupid 1 unit kills 20 supply in 1 shot terrible terrible damage syndrome design. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:56 Noonius wrote: shouldn't the score be 2.5 - 1.5 just like in chess? Nope, it's a forced regame. What would happen if the final score was 3.5-3.5? | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:56 Noonius wrote: shouldn't the score be 2.5 - 1.5 just like in chess? We should do the OWL thing where both get a win | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:57 207aicila wrote: By the chance of Neeb (who had double the army supply) not realizing he should've defended his nexus. For what it's worth Terran building float has been around in Starcraft much longer than stupid 1 unit kills 20 supply in 1 shot terrible terrible damage syndrome design. i'm pretty sure reavers have been around as long as flying buildings | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:57 The_Templar wrote: Nope, it's a forced regame. What would happen if the final score was 3.5-3.5? then they'd play an extra set on Overgrowth | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:55 dankobanana wrote: but they exist and I'm pretty sure TY has heard of them before. he played worse in total and deserved a loss. by the chance of a stupid game mechanic, he got a draw. by the chance of a stupid game mechanic, TY also didn't win. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:58 -NegativeZero- wrote: i'm pretty sure reavers have been around as long as flying buildings pretty sure BW's design is literally perfect | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:58 Durnuu wrote: pretty sure BW's design is literally perfect Pathing included. | ||
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On September 05 2018 19:58 -NegativeZero- wrote: i'm pretty sure reavers have been around as long as flying buildings And I'm pretty sure from over a decade of playing and watching BW (sadly I don't play anymore) that reavers were never anywhere near as effective as disruptors, due to scarab pathing and also the fact that scarabs cost money which would make them tricky in the basetrade situations of SC2. But sure, let's ignore facts. | ||
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Heartland
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On September 05 2018 19:58 Durnuu wrote: pretty sure BW's design is literally perfect And let's remember Raynors Law: Any Terran Action Is Complex and Amazing, Any Protoss Action is BS. | ||
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Heartland
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On September 05 2018 20:00 207aicila wrote: And I'm pretty sure from over a decade of playing and watching BW (sadly I don't play anymore) that reavers were never anywhere near as effective as disruptors, due to scarab pathing and also the fact that scarabs cost money which would make them tricky in the basetrade situations of SC2. But sure, let's ignore facts. Lol what | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:00 207aicila wrote: And I'm pretty sure from over a decade of playing and watching BW (sadly I don't play anymore) that reavers were never anywhere near as effective as disruptors, due to scarab pathing and also the fact that scarabs cost money which would make them tricky in the basetrade situations of SC2. But sure, let's ignore facts. disruptor, a niche unit that sees very little usage compared to storm and collossus in every matchup vs reaver, the unit that destroys Terran in half the televise PvTs | ||
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Disruptors are baby mode compared to reavers. Just saying for all the young kids joined in 2012 and 2013. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:02 Ej_ wrote: disruptor, a niche unit that sees very little usage compared to storm and collossus in every matchup vs reaver, the unit that destroys Terran in half the televise PvTs Hey that's no fair, I thought we were ignoring facts. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Yeah, should give Disruptor shots BW reaver pathing. :D | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:02 The_Templar wrote: Hey that's no fair, I thought we were ignoring facts. I purposefuly ignored reavers' presence in 2 other matchups. But what do I know, I'm just a little kid, unlike certain old veterans here who solved both BW and SC2 metagame 15 years ago. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:02 Ej_ wrote: disruptor, a niche unit that sees very little usage compared to storm and collossus in every matchup vs reaver, the unit that destroys Terran in half the televise PvTs There's pro matches where even a Deep Six Terran can hold his own against reavers better than you often see in disruptor TvP in SC2. Just saying. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:03 Ej_ wrote: I purposefuly ignored reavers' presence in 2 other matchups. But what do I know, I'm just a little kid, unlike certain old veterans here who solved both BW and SC2 metagame 15 years ago. Yes you should actually watch some pro matches before opening your mouth trying to trash talk with objectively incorrect views against people who actually know what they're talking about. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:03 207aicila wrote: There's pro matches where even a Deep Six Terran can hold his own against reavers better than you often see in disruptor TvP in SC2. Just saying. So how on earth could Ty win against this op unit?! | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:03 Shellshock wrote: Neeb dead Excellent multitasking again from TY. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:04 Weavel wrote: GG. TY was in control of that game. Very in control. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:04 Heartland wrote: So how on earth could Ty win against this op unit?! Being substantially better than his opponent? Wow it's like you've never watched esports before. | ||
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Gg TY | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:04 207aicila wrote: Yes you should actually watch some pro matches before opening your mouth trying to trash talk with objectively incorrect views against people who actually know what they're talking about. I'm glad you've confirmed that everyone who doesn't agree with you is "objectively incorrect". | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:05 207aicila wrote: Being substantially better than his opponent? Wow it's like you've never watched esports before. Ah yes, that must be it. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:04 207aicila wrote: Yes you should actually watch some pro matches before opening your mouth trying to trash talk with objectively incorrect views against people who actually know what they're talking about. You objectively don't know what you're talking about. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:04 Heartland wrote: So how on earth could Ty win against this op unit?! Honestly? By being that much better , I'd bet on around 100 eapm over Neeb. | ||
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Parrek
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The one thing to note is that the natural is pretty hard for Toss to protect. Good game from TY though | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:05 Ej_ wrote: I'm glad you've confirmed that everyone who doesn't agree with you is "objectively incorrect". Literally just watch BW and see what the facts are. I didn't say reavers are bad, just that disruptors do similar or better damage much more easily and don't require the arcane bullshit prayers to the pathing gods to do *any damage whatsoever*. | ||
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Heartland
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On September 05 2018 20:06 IshinShishi wrote: Honestly? By being that much better , I'd bet on around 100 eapm over Neeb. Yes, guessing eapm is a good way to judge skill. | ||
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Lol you're Heartland the shitposter who blindly worships Protoss. I remember reading your posts back when I was on my old account. Guess I'm wasting my time lol. User was warned for this post | ||
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NExt
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On September 05 2018 20:06 DreamOen wrote: So much terrran bias here lol. Arent protoss watching this match or? Protoss know to stay silent and keep the party in Aiur!!! | ||
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Fyzar
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On September 05 2018 20:06 DreamOen wrote: So much terrran bias here lol. Arent protoss watching this match or? Enjoying the match, rather than bothering with these pointless arguments  . | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:06 DreamOen wrote: So much terrran bias here lol. Arent protoss watching this match or? Korean bias. Not enough NA fanboys here. | ||
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Heartland
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On September 05 2018 20:07 207aicila wrote: Lol you're Heartland the shitposter who blindly worships Protoss. I remember reading your posts back when I was on my old account. Guess I'm wasting my time lol. An account I am sure was not banned for being utterly obnoxious. | ||
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207aicila
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On September 05 2018 20:07 Fyzar wrote: Enjoying the match, rather than bothering with these pointless arguments .Yeah you may be right. The arguments are pointless when these 20 year olds who joined in 2013 think they know BW better than people who literally watched proleague and starleague all the time for most of the game's existence. I think I'll take your advice. | ||
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intotheheart
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On September 05 2018 20:08 D-light wrote: Korean bias. Not enough NA fanboys here. Bruh it's 7 (or 4) in the morning. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:08 Heartland wrote: An account I am sure was not banned for being utterly obnoxious. It wasn't banned no. Also you're implying that saying objectively incorrect things in a snarky tone isn't obnoxious. That's the youngster's Le Leddit way of arguing though, I see. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:08 Heartland wrote: An account I am sure was not banned for being utterly obnoxious. Nice | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 05 2018 20:08 207aicila wrote: Yeah you may be right. The arguments are pointless when these 20 year olds who joined in 2013 think they know BW better than people who literally watched proleague and starleague all the time for most of the game's existence. I think I'll take your advice. For someone probably older than 20 you're quite immature | ||
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intotheheart
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On September 05 2018 20:09 TheDougler wrote: Morning boys! GO NEEB!!! How do you have this much energy in the morning? Coffee? | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:08 Koivusto wrote: I don't understand neeb's unwillingess to build cannons to that backbase of his Cannons aren't turrets, they don't do shit against a doom drop. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:08 207aicila wrote: Yeah you may be right. The arguments are pointless when these 20 year olds who joined in 2013 think they know BW better than people who literally watched proleague and starleague all the time for most of the game's existence. I think I'll take your advice. Not quite my point, but take it as you will. | ||
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just gonna leave this here | ||
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207aicila
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On September 05 2018 20:09 Durnuu wrote: For someone probably older than 20 you're quite immature I don't respect it when people who have no idea what they're talking about pretend that they do, and I doubly don't respect it when it's something that I personally happen to know quite a bit about and have spent a lot of time on. Sorry if this upsets you, basically I despise ignorance and the Leddit way of pretending that just because you are more sarcastic that means somehow you are right lol. | ||
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Parrek
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On September 05 2018 20:09 sneakyfox wrote: So did TY just figure out Neeb's weak spot? Nah. He rammed home the natural on that base. Good use of map. Not necessarily indictive of how the other maps will play | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:10 207aicila wrote: I don't respect it when people who have no idea what they're talking about pretend that they do | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
But they are making esports history! | ||
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Durnuu
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On September 05 2018 20:10 207aicila wrote: I don't respect it when people who have no idea what they're talking about pretend that they do, and I doubly don't respect it when it's something that I personally happen to know quite a bit about and have spent a lot of time on. Sorry if this upsets you, basically I despise ignorance and the Leddit way of pretending that just because you are more sarcastic that means somehow you are right lol. And on what basis do you think you know more than them? Just because you're older/watched for longer? that's stupid | ||
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intotheheart
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On September 05 2018 20:10 Parrek wrote: Nah. He rammed home the natural on that base. Good use of map. Not necessarily indictive of how the other maps will play If you're the real Feardragon it'd be nice for the staff to give you a Commentator badge or something. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:09 intotheheart wrote: How do you have this much energy in the morning? Coffee? Usually I would have boomed some coffee or an energy drink, but today I'm just pumped on FREEDOM! Also had some chocolate milk. It was tasty | ||
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intotheheart
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But it's still 7 (or 7:30 or 4) in the morning. Euros must have it nice for watching SC2 to be honest. | ||
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207aicila
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On September 05 2018 20:11 Durnuu wrote: And on what basis do you think you know more than them? Just because you're older/watched for longer? that's stupid Professional matches speak for themselves. Literally just watch them instead of arguing with me and you will see that you are wrong. It was insanely hype whenever a top Protoss controlled their reavers well enough for 2-3 shots to do as well as disruptors do in SC2. That's why Bisu's micro is legendary, because he could make his goons and reavers do things that no one else could do as consistently, not even other pros. | ||
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Shellshock
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On September 05 2018 20:12 Waxangel wrote: hi, everyone shuttup with your personal disputes :O no u | ||
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TheOneAboveU
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On September 05 2018 20:12 intotheheart wrote: But it's still 7 (or 7:30 or 4) in the morning. Euros must have it nice for watching SC2 to be honest. Not since NA stole the Saturday GSL matches. I will never forgive that schedule change. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:13 TheOneAboveU wrote: Not since NA stole the Saturday GSL matches. I will never forgive that schedule change. Stole?? Saturday GSL is way too late for me to watch in NA. | ||
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Shellshock
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On September 05 2018 20:13 Fango wrote: When was the last draw in GSL? I honestly can't remember about 20 min ago | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:14 The_Templar wrote: Stole?? Saturday GSL is way too late for me to watch in NA. As far as I remember the reason to have the matches earlier on Saturday was to allow NA people to watch easier. Not sure which coast though. Anyways, the matches are too early now for EU. | ||
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neutralrobot
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I know U r but wat m I?lol | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:16 TheOneAboveU wrote: As far as I remember the reason to have the matches earlier on Saturday was to allow NA people to watch easier. Not sure which coast though. Anyways, the matches are too early now for EU. Might be easier to watch in NA if you're either on west coast or willing to stay up until 2:30am, but it is definitely way too late for me. | ||
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Heartland
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On September 05 2018 20:17 intotheheart wrote: Proxy vs 4gate. Great way to end a Bo5(6). isn't this bo 7? | ||
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Yes, there was a graphic showing the 7 map list. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
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On September 05 2018 20:13 207aicila wrote: Professional matches speak for themselves. Literally just watch them instead of arguing with me and you will see that you are wrong. It was insanely hype whenever a top Protoss controlled their reavers well enough for 2-3 shots to do as well as disruptors do in SC2. That's why Bisu's micro is legendary, because he could make his goons and reavers do things that no one else could do as consistently, not even other pros. the original post wasn't about how hard disruptors are to use, it was, and i quote stupid 1 unit kills 20 supply in 1 shot https://clips.twitch.tv/SecretiveBombasticBunnyRalpherZ to be clear, i like both reavers and disruptors... but they both have very similar damage potential. | ||
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On September 05 2018 20:11 intotheheart wrote: If you're the real Feardragon it'd be nice for the staff to give you a Commentator badge or something. Haha I'm not. It's a funny story. This username was literally from a random name generator when I played WoW in like 2008. I kept the username. The fact Feardragon's last name is Pareek is just really funny coincidence | ||
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HolydaKing
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intotheheart
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Bo7 is the finals. They drew a game so the counter's weird. | ||
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Weavel
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
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Durnuu
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On September 05 2018 20:20 intotheheart wrote: Bo7 is the finals. They drew a game so the counter's weird. GSL has superior Bo7 semis. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:20 Parrek wrote: Haha I'm not. It's a funny story. This username was literally from a random name generator when I played WoW in like 2008. I kept the username. The fact Feardragon's last name is Pareek is just really funny coincidence I'm sure you could've lied your way in. Have more confidence. Also good to know. :D I'm gonna blame my mistake on the fact that it's SEVEN IN THE MORNING FUCK I AM NOT A MORNING PERSON. | ||
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TheDougler
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:21 Weavel wrote: I guess gold base doesn't really matter at that point. 3 x mules is a bit better. | ||
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:20 intotheheart wrote: Bo7 is the finals. They drew a game so the counter's weird. Are you on tilt? | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:20 intotheheart wrote: Bo7 is the finals. They drew a game so the counter's weird. But the game after the draw was on the same map. | ||
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
also with TY's drops against spread out bases, I would've gg'ed too lol | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:21 TheDougler wrote: I think that game was doable for Neeb, the gold base gave him a chance. He had 3 orbitals finished before Neeb even started the gold (which would have been his second base). I don't think there was any chance there unless TY didn't do anything for 5 minutes. | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Wait WHAT it's a Bo7 semi? | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
also literally says bo7 on the UI | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:23 virpi wrote: More or less. You don't really lose much doing it.So basically, proxy rax is standard play now, right? | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
I kind of assumed it'd be the normal Bo5. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Hasn't it been a Bo7 semi for... years? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:23 virpi wrote: So basically, proxy rax is standard play now, right? It seems to be a lot better than FE. Keeps Protoss guessing regarding the followup. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:23 The_Templar wrote: Hasn't it been a Bo7 semi for... years? Way too early for me to wake up and watch. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:21 intotheheart wrote: I'm sure you could've lied your way in. Have more confidence. Also good to know. :D I'm gonna blame my mistake on the fact that it's SEVEN IN THE MORNING FUCK I AM NOT A MORNING PERSON. God, I WISH it was 7. I'm in Alberta. 5:24 AM here, not fun. You darn easterners, first you take our oil, and now you take our sunlight!  | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:24 TheDougler wrote: God, I WISH it was 7. I'm in Alberta. 5:24 AM here, not fun. You darn easterners, first you take our oil, and now you take our sunlight! Yeah man it's nice what can I say. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:22 Fango wrote: He had 3 orbitals finished before Neeb even started the gold (which would have been his second base). I don't think there was any chance there unless TY didn't do anything for 5 minutes. Yea, just tastosis trying to make it seen like Neeb had any chance for the entertainment. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Shellshock
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sneakyfox
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On September 05 2018 20:23 The_Templar wrote: Hasn't it been a Bo7 semi for... years? Yeah it has | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
I'll quietly take the L. I'm good at that. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
No I don't believe in Zest | ||
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Penev
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
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TheDougler
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blardoh
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NExt
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HolydaKing
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Ryncol
United States980 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
Congrats. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:27 Ziggy wrote: Thank God I can still become the first foreigner ever to reach the finals of the GSL sometime in the future I'll cheer for you if you show good games | ||
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MASTERCAKES
United States127 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:27 Ziggy wrote: Thank God I can still become the first foreigner ever to reach the finals of the GSL sometime in the future Good luck. Just... uh... play better than your opponents consistently. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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ReditusSum
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Lgnarrow
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:27 Clazziquai10 wrote: Can't believe I thought neeb had a chance. He did. He was nearly up 3-2. Neeb made the mistake that caused a draw of a won game. If he had recalled it would have been his game. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:27 Clazziquai10 wrote: Can't believe I thought neeb had a chance. He was almost 3-1 so he could have won in nice fashion | ||
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hobbyistGamedev
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Fango
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:26 intotheheart wrote: I'll quietly take the L. I'm good at that. Dude you must not be high enough | ||
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:29 Koivusto wrote: The decisive moment was that late recall. If it would've been 3-1 and harder to lose from there. Definitely. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:30 Inflicted wrote: That locks Dark in for blizzcon That's not the result I was expecting to find out to be honest. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:29 Zerg.Zilla wrote: That final game, brought tears to my eyes, it was just beautiful! Usopsama? | ||
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MASTERCAKES
United States127 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:30 Inflicted wrote: That locks Dark in for blizzcon Does it? Trap can tie him and Gumi can pass. He is almost 100% though to go. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:31 MASTERCAKES wrote: Does it? Trap can tie him and Gumi can pass. He is almost 100% though to go. Trap has to win ST2 to tie him, and Gumi has to win ST2 to pass him. Can't happen | ||
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MASTERCAKES
United States127 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:32 Fango wrote: Trap has to win ST2 to tie him, and Gumi has to win ST2 to pass him. Can't happen Ah for some reason I thought Gumi was only ~500 points behind Dark. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:31 ReachTheSky wrote: Looks like koreans showing once against they are superior. Guess the forced narrative that foreigners have caught up can finally die already. what the hell are you talking about? semifinals GSL and kespa cup won by neeb and you don't think of him equal to the koreans? wtf? | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
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Penev
28481 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:31 ReachTheSky wrote: Looks like koreans showing once against they are superior. Guess the forced narrative that foreigners have caught up can finally die already. Nice baitin' | ||
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NExt
Australia1651 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:34 Myrddrael wrote: When did SC2 become a proxy fest? Super boring and seems like there's no risk at all vs Protoss? Maru popularising proxies | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:34 Myrddrael wrote: When did SC2 become a proxy fest? Super boring and seems like there's no risk at all vs Protoss? There's no good counter to every branch a proxy rax can go into for Protoss. Reaper FE also seem to be significantly weaker in the meta with a threat of 2gate. So proxy is really the best way to open in this matchup. | ||
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Starecat
938 Posts
And there is the possibility for TvT finals :D | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:34 Myrddrael wrote: When did SC2 become a proxy fest? Super boring and seems like there's no risk at all vs Protoss? It's just neeb's weak spot, everyone knew TY would come with this plan to create a messy early game. | ||
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MASTERCAKES
United States127 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:36 nojok wrote: It's just neeb's weak spot, everyone knew TY would come with this plan to create a messy early game. TY literally proxies almost every TvP, regardless of the opponent. Most other Terrans do too. | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
GSL tide goes in murlock | team neeb cheer GSL some non KR audience GSL leonardo da vinci | audience GSL beach tsunami draw gsl GSL Artosis dont tell my wife GSL Artosis 1920's dancing GSL TY interview GSL bald eagle screams freedom intensifies GSL Tastosis x marks the spot / kr cheers GSL Neeb channeling the power of all previous gsl foreigners GSL Artosis am i crazy? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:39 repomaniak wrote: GSL draw? https://clips.twitch.tv/BraveScaryAsparagusNinjaGrumpy GSL tide goes in murlock | team neeb cheer https://clips.twitch.tv/DarlingAuspiciousHeronM4xHeh GSL some non KR audience https://clips.twitch.tv/AstuteSmoggyOcelotWTRuck GSL leonardo da vinci | audience https://clips.twitch.tv/IcyKindHerbsPJSalt GSL beach tsunami draw gsl https://clips.twitch.tv/ColorfulImpossibleTigerPunchTrees GSL Artosis dont tell my wife https://clips.twitch.tv/SparklyFrozenLasagnaResidentSleeper GSL Artosis 1920's dancing https://clips.twitch.tv/UgliestBeautifulYogurtRiPepperonis GSL TY interview https://clips.twitch.tv/LittleAgileWitchBibleThump GSL bald eagle screams freedom intensifies https://clips.twitch.tv/DifferentSassyDugongOSfrog GSL Tastosis x marks the spot / kr cheers https://clips.twitch.tv/CrazyOnerousFungusAMPTropPunch GSL Neeb channeling the power of all previous gsl foreigners https://clips.twitch.tv/CourageousVenomousKuduSMOrc GSL Artosis am i crazy? https://clips.twitch.tv/DependableSlipperyRedpandaWTRuck Lmao thanks for doing this. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:29 Koivusto wrote: The decisive moment was that late recall. If it would've been 3-1 and harder to lose from there. It has been brought up before, but I do think that Terran's ability to lift up should be looked at. This was the tipping point between doing another game and Neeb going up 3-1. At 3-1, yes he could have won, but it would have also been a lot harder. I know there are arguments like leaving 400 minerals to build a nexus or leaving enough money to build a phoenix or recalling like 10 seconds earlier. But I still see no rational argument as to why there isn't like a 5 minute floating timer on Terran buildings. It doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever (except that you couldn't use it as an eternal scout), and it's long enough that the Protoss does actually have to damage another building or enemy unit to extend the draw timer. Because switch the situations around, where Terran has the bigger army but is out of position. In every situation with Zerg and Protoss, the Terran wins, but in every situation with the Zerg and Protoss, the Terran can force a draw. I don't really think that I've ever seen a situation like this where a single racial difference is the true tipping point between draw and loss. It also affects the win condition. Terran's "win" condition isn't destroy all my opponent's buildings; it's destroy all my opponent's main bases. The win condition for any other opponent is to destroy all the opponent's buildings. So it fundamentally puts the Terran at an imbalanced position (from a standard win perspective). Even from a draw perspective, the P/Z has to whittle down the T enough so that their army cannot engage the P/Z army and vice versa, whereas the T just has to lift their buildings. Again, in normal ladder games, this is fine. It's part of the game, but I don't think it should be a major decider in a tight series like this. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
1) could protoss open with some sort of forge build to dump a cannon at the front for protection? or does this delay everything else too much 2) is it possible that a change where buildings have limited float gas that recharges slowly over time to add a punishment to proxies? this way you can still move buildings about but the gas limits floating indefinitely | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:55 La1 wrote: Recently got back into SC2, Having seen all the proxies recently i have two questions 1) could protoss open with some sort of forge build to dump a cannon at the front for protection? or does this delay everything else too much 2) is it possible that a change where buildings have limited float gas that recharges slowly over time to add a punishment to proxies? this way you can still move buildings about but the gas limits floating indefinitely Cannons don't do anything against proxies. If you only make one the reaper can just jump past it (or go poke the edges if you make it in your mineral line) and then you take free damage because you have no units to kill it/make it go away. And then the cyclone(s) follow-up just kills the cannon with ease. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
Stephano, Serral, Neeb are my top 3 for sure | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:54 FrkFrJss wrote: It has been brought up before, but I do think that Terran's ability to lift up should be looked at. This was the tipping point between doing another game and Neeb going up 3-1. At 3-1, yes he could have won, but it would have also been a lot harder. I know there are arguments like leaving 400 minerals to build a nexus or leaving enough money to build a phoenix or recalling like 10 seconds earlier. But I still see no rational argument as to why there isn't like a 5 minute floating timer on Terran buildings. It doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever (except that you couldn't use it as an eternal scout), and it's long enough that the Protoss does actually have to damage another building or enemy unit to extend the draw timer. Because switch the situations around, where Terran has the bigger army but is out of position. In every situation with Zerg and Protoss, the Terran wins, but in every situation with the Zerg and Protoss, the Terran can force a draw. I don't really think that I've ever seen a situation like this where a single racial difference is the true tipping point between draw and loss. It also affects the win condition. Terran's "win" condition isn't destroy all my opponent's buildings; it's destroy all my opponent's main bases. The win condition for any other opponent is to destroy all the opponent's buildings. So it fundamentally puts the Terran at an imbalanced position (from a standard win perspective). Even from a draw perspective, the P/Z has to whittle down the T enough so that their army cannot engage the P/Z army and vice versa, whereas the T just has to lift their buildings. Again, in normal ladder games, this is fine. It's part of the game, but I don't think it should be a major decider in a tight series like this. I agree. Its not because Neeb was on the other side of this today but because I think this is fundamentally unfair | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:58 Durnuu wrote: Cannons don't do anything against proxies. If you only make one the reaper can just jump past it (or go poke the edges if you make it in your mineral line) and then you take free damage because you have no units to kill it/make it go away. And then the cyclone(s) follow-up just kills the cannon with ease. I didn't realise cyclones rinse cannons, i was thinking a pvz style build but instead of a second gate a forge and a cannon at the front and a few defensive units in the main but then if the cannon doesn't stop cyclones that's the whole build gone, and its pointless having a cannon in your natural as banshees / reapers etc can sit on the outside of it after seeing so many protoss just "die" to what is a pretty standard pressure with no hard impact to T i think P may have to re-think their entire build process | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:39 Fango wrote: The 8th spot for WCS korea is really contested. Gumiho, Trap, sOs, Dear, INnoVation, soO, and Solar are all within 1500 points of eachother and can potentially take it with supertournament. Nah. Neeb will qualify for ST and take it and ruin all their hopes and dreams | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:54 FrkFrJss wrote: It has been brought up before, but I do think that Terran's ability to lift up should be looked at. This was the tipping point between doing another game and Neeb going up 3-1. At 3-1, yes he could have won, but it would have also been a lot harder. I know there are arguments like leaving 400 minerals to build a nexus or leaving enough money to build a phoenix or recalling like 10 seconds earlier. But I still see no rational argument as to why there isn't like a 5 minute floating timer on Terran buildings. It doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever (except that you couldn't use it as an eternal scout), and it's long enough that the Protoss does actually have to damage another building or enemy unit to extend the draw timer. Because switch the situations around, where Terran has the bigger army but is out of position. In every situation with Zerg and Protoss, the Terran wins, but in every situation with the Zerg and Protoss, the Terran can force a draw. I don't really think that I've ever seen a situation like this where a single racial difference is the true tipping point between draw and loss. It also affects the win condition. Terran's "win" condition isn't destroy all my opponent's buildings; it's destroy all my opponent's main bases. The win condition for any other opponent is to destroy all the opponent's buildings. So it fundamentally puts the Terran at an imbalanced position (from a standard win perspective). Even from a draw perspective, the P/Z has to whittle down the T enough so that their army cannot engage the P/Z army and vice versa, whereas the T just has to lift their buildings. Again, in normal ladder games, this is fine. It's part of the game, but I don't think it should be a major decider in a tight series like this. IMO, it adds an additional layer of strategy that makes for much more interesting end game scenarios. Neeb had the game won with recall but Ty's brain is op. While we're at it, can we talk about recall? Seems like the equivalent of being able to recall your queen in chess after being pulled out of position and I don't think it belongs in RTS in its current form. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:34 Myrddrael wrote: When did SC2 become a proxy fest? Super boring and seems like there's no risk at all vs Protoss? If the proxy is found you might be in a very bad spot depending on the version you are doing. The real advantage here is that there are multiple variations of it (double cyclone proxied or factory at home, agressive with marauders or defensive or whatever) Seems like the standard TvP build | ||
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nosink_
6 Posts
On September 05 2018 21:27 tskarzyn wrote: IMO, it adds an additional layer of strategy that makes for much more interesting end game scenarios. Neeb had the game won with recall but Ty's brain is op. While we're at it, can we talk about recall? Seems like the equivalent of being able to recall your queen in chess after being pulled out of position and I don't think it belongs in RTS in its current form. The game hinging on whether or not the protoss has one phoenix so he could theoretically spend the next 40 minutes chasing down every single Terran building and destroy it is not what I would call an "interesting end game scenario" | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19246 Posts
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Lexender
Mexico2647 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:54 FrkFrJss wrote: It has been brought up before, but I do think that Terran's ability to lift up should be looked at. This was the tipping point between doing another game and Neeb going up 3-1. At 3-1, yes he could have won, but it would have also been a lot harder. I know there are arguments like leaving 400 minerals to build a nexus or leaving enough money to build a phoenix or recalling like 10 seconds earlier. But I still see no rational argument as to why there isn't like a 5 minute floating timer on Terran buildings. It doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever (except that you couldn't use it as an eternal scout), and it's long enough that the Protoss does actually have to damage another building or enemy unit to extend the draw timer. Because switch the situations around, where Terran has the bigger army but is out of position. In every situation with Zerg and Protoss, the Terran wins, but in every situation with the Zerg and Protoss, the Terran can force a draw. I don't really think that I've ever seen a situation like this where a single racial difference is the true tipping point between draw and loss. It also affects the win condition. Terran's "win" condition isn't destroy all my opponent's buildings; it's destroy all my opponent's main bases. The win condition for any other opponent is to destroy all the opponent's buildings. So it fundamentally puts the Terran at an imbalanced position (from a standard win perspective). Even from a draw perspective, the P/Z has to whittle down the T enough so that their army cannot engage the P/Z army and vice versa, whereas the T just has to lift their buildings. Again, in normal ladder games, this is fine. It's part of the game, but I don't think it should be a major decider in a tight series like this. The ammount of things that have to line up to make lifting buildings a decisive factor is so big that its stupid to say its an advantage, actual draws are so far between that I think its been years since there was a draw in GSL. You have to understand also that terran players know how to play around using the advantage of lifting their buildings, its a inherent point of allowing aggressive play. If you take that out protoss players will have to big of an advantage with recall because they know they will have the upper hand in any base trade, kind of like what happens in PvZ, they kill a few bases, recall and suddenly your fucked up. Neeb had all the tools he needed to deal with the situation, floating buildings didn't suddenly destroyed all of Neebs nexus and automatically gave TY the draw, TY simply made the best choice with what he had. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 05 2018 21:54 BisuDagger wrote: Oh man, great playing by Neeb. I feel like the draw game should have been given to Neeb, but that's just my heart talking right now. Hopefully TY can play really well in the finals. TY thew the game by losing all the units in Neeb's main. Then Neeb threw it by not protecting any of his nexuses (or making a pheonix, he had a stargate and money for a quite a while during the basetrade iirc). A draw seems as fair as you can get really. They both made game-losing mistake(s). | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19246 Posts
On September 05 2018 22:02 Fango wrote: TY thew the game by losing all the units in Neeb's main. Then Neeb threw it by not protecting any of his nexuses (or making a pheonix, he had a stargate and money for a quite a while during the basetrade iirc). A draw seems as fair as you can get really. They both made game-losing mistake(s). Yup, totally unwilling to argue for what is just what I want lol. edit: I wouldn't be opposed to map makers either making a 1 unit width platform into those void sections or a pad that a single blink stalker could get to. I'm totally opposed to a gameplay change to resolve floating buildings. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 05 2018 22:02 Fango wrote: TY thew the game by losing all the units in Neeb's main. Then Neeb threw it by not protecting any of his nexuses (or making a pheonix, he had a stargate and money for a quite a while during the basetrade iirc). A draw seems as fair as you can get really. They both made game-losing mistake(s). But switch that around and have Neeb make the big mistake of getting his army caught and TY having his CCs knocked out. In that base trade, TY wins easily. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 05 2018 22:09 FrkFrJss wrote: But switch that around and have Neeb make the big mistake of getting his army caught and TY having his CCs knocked out. In that base trade, TY wins easily. TvP is not a mirror on both sides, so the reverse sitation is kinda different. Besides, if Neeb gets his army caught in TY's base he just recalls out | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary483 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On September 05 2018 22:26 kajtarp wrote: I know the rules, but still find stupid how a 0 supply player can force a draw against a 50 army supply player, just because he can lift off his buildings. That being said, after Neeb's push where sacrificed his army for worker kills it was TY's game to lose. It was 20 army supply vs. like 80, TY should have killed him right away... I also wanted Neeblet to advance, but if we are honest, TY was the better player today. Neeb was still impressive tough. Same can happen with 50 supply terran vs 2 supply protoss when that 2 supply is a DT. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On September 05 2018 23:11 Charoisaur wrote: Same can happen with 50 supply terran vs 2 supply protoss when that 2 supply is a DT. I mean it could happen, but that's not zero supply and it practically speaking doesn't happen so why mention it? | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 05 2018 23:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I mean it could happen, but that's not zero supply and it practically speaking doesn't happen so why mention it? Terran forcing draws almost never happens either (more often than other races though tbf) | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On September 05 2018 23:48 The_Red_Viper wrote: Terran forcing draws almost never happens either (more often than other races though tbf) If people learn to recall in time every time draws will be a TvT only mechanic | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2647 Posts
On September 05 2018 23:50 Elentos wrote: If people learn to recall in time every time draws will be a TvT only mechanic With the way TvT is with tank stalemates and doomdrops, it pretty much already is | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
On September 05 2018 23:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I mean it could happen, but that's not zero supply and it practically speaking doesn't happen so why mention it? It happened in Maru vs Has. Not exactly 50 vs 2 supply but similar. | ||
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hobbyistGamedev
33 Posts
How is Tasteless not constantly shitting himself? Artosis just keeps getting funnier. On September 05 2018 22:26 kajtarp wrote: I know the rules, but still find stupid how a 0 supply player can force a draw against a 50 army supply player, just because he can lift off his buildings. That being said, after Neeb's push where sacrificed his army for worker kills it was TY's game to lose. It was 20 army supply vs. like 80, TY should have killed him right away... I also wanted Neeblet to advance, but if we are honest, TY was the better player today. Neeb was still impressive tough. It seems a bit silly when it does happen, but I don't think two forced draws in GSL history indicate that there needs to be a change. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44375 Posts
On September 06 2018 02:20 hobbyistGamedev wrote: https://clips.twitch.tv/SparklyFrozenLasagnaResidentSleeper How is Tasteless not constantly shitting himself? Artosis just keeps getting funnier. It's reciprocal https://clips.twitch.tv/RamshackleCourteousCucumberVoteNay?tt_medium=clips&tt_content=recommendation | ||
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feardragon
United States972 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:20 Parrek wrote: Haha I'm not. It's a funny story. This username was literally from a random name generator when I played WoW in like 2008. I kept the username. The fact Feardragon's last name is Pareek is just really funny coincidence This is a constant source hilarity to me as I see your name all the time. I always recognize you because of it but you usually have cool stuff to say. =D | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 06 2018 02:11 Charoisaur wrote: It happened in Maru vs Has. Not exactly 50 vs 2 supply but similar. Which game was this? | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
On September 06 2018 03:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's reciprocal https://clips.twitch.tv/RamshackleCourteousCucumberVoteNay?tt_medium=clips&tt_content=recommendation oh man I didn't know about this one. Pure gold. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 05 2018 20:54 FrkFrJss wrote: It has been brought up before, but I do think that Terran's ability to lift up should be looked at. This was the tipping point between doing another game and Neeb going up 3-1. At 3-1, yes he could have won, but it would have also been a lot harder. I know there are arguments like leaving 400 minerals to build a nexus or leaving enough money to build a phoenix or recalling like 10 seconds earlier. But I still see no rational argument as to why there isn't like a 5 minute floating timer on Terran buildings. It doesn't affect gameplay whatsoever (except that you couldn't use it as an eternal scout), and it's long enough that the Protoss does actually have to damage another building or enemy unit to extend the draw timer. Because switch the situations around, where Terran has the bigger army but is out of position. In every situation with Zerg and Protoss, the Terran wins, but in every situation with the Zerg and Protoss, the Terran can force a draw. I don't really think that I've ever seen a situation like this where a single racial difference is the true tipping point between draw and loss. It also affects the win condition. Terran's "win" condition isn't destroy all my opponent's buildings; it's destroy all my opponent's main bases. The win condition for any other opponent is to destroy all the opponent's buildings. So it fundamentally puts the Terran at an imbalanced position (from a standard win perspective). Even from a draw perspective, the P/Z has to whittle down the T enough so that their army cannot engage the P/Z army and vice versa, whereas the T just has to lift their buildings. Again, in normal ladder games, this is fine. It's part of the game, but I don't think it should be a major decider in a tight series like this. Neeb shouldn't even be in the game after donating 8 disruptors, he was down 20-30 army supply most of the game and kept being a threat solely because of disruptors, TvP was never like that, you can see how I can use your argument for anything that fits an agenda. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On September 06 2018 06:21 IshinShishi wrote: Neeb shouldn't even be in the game after donating 8 disruptors, he was down 20-30 army supply most of the game and kept being a threat solely because of disruptors, TvP was never like that, you can see how I can use your argument for anything that fits an agenda. Let's not even talk about "mommy I fucked up" aka Recall. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 06 2018 06:21 IshinShishi wrote: Neeb shouldn't even be in the game after donating 8 disruptors, he was down 20-30 army supply most of the game and kept being a threat solely because of disruptors, TvP was never like that, you can see how I can use your argument for anything that fits an agenda. The difference is that we're talking about situational events. TY and Neeb both made big mistakes; there is no doubt of that fact. I've seen doom drops break a Protoss in a winning situation. I've seen an archon toilet bring a lost game into a win. I've seen burrowed banelings cause a loss. A game is never played perfectly by either person. My argument was and is based off of the fundamental principle around the basic win and draw conditions. Can you say that the draw condition is the same for P, Z, and T? T can disproportionately cause a draw because of lift off. They don't have to whittle down the army into a no win situation on either side; they just have to kill the nexii and stargate. However, P and Z have to actually fight the army or maneuver it around to kill all the buildings. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
People never fail to amaze me. @above: With that logic Protoss'win condition is killing all Orbitals so terran can't scan anymore. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
game 1 Wasn't there also a MKP vs Alicia game in Wol where this happened? | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On September 06 2018 07:06 Charoisaur wrote: Floating building whine in 2018? People never fail to amaze me. @above: With that logic Protoss'win condition is killing all Orbitals so terran can't scan anymore. It's whine only if it was whine when any other part of the meta was unbalanced. If something is truly imbalanced, I don't think that speaking about that imbalance is whine. Additionally, I rationally laid out why I thought it was imbalanced. No, because there is counter play. He has dts, and you have an overwhelming army supply, you just go and kill him. In that Maru/Has game, Maru 100% could have won by healing his units and slowly picking off all the other P buildings. Edit: they only drew because Maru didn't want to deal with the hassle of letting his units recharge in the corner, then stim and kill off the stalkers while running away from the dts. Also, he could have just gone for the buildings. Even more, he could have used the buildings to draw stalker shots while he killed the stalkers. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15967 Posts
Anyway, I feel like my IQ is decreasing by arguing with a guy who thinks floating buildings are imba so I'm done here. | ||
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On September 06 2018 03:28 feardragon wrote: This is a constant source hilarity to me as I see your name all the time. I always recognize you because of it but you usually have cool stuff to say. =D I was noticed! :D Thanks. I try to not be salty and argue logic instead | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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nosink_
6 Posts
On September 06 2018 10:10 tskarzyn wrote: The additional end game possibilities (draw) open up strategic options that wouldn't exist if there was a timer on Terran buildings. "Terran's ability to force draws opens up the option for them to force a draw" you don't say! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 06 2018 12:58 nosink_ wrote: "Terran's ability to force draws opens up the option for them to force a draw" you don't say! The first rule of the Tautology club is the first rule | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On September 06 2018 03:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's reciprocal https://clips.twitch.tv/RamshackleCourteousCucumberVoteNay?tt_medium=clips&tt_content=recommendation I still remember when Tasteless almost broke Artosis with his joke about pulling his shirt over his head in shame, shouting 'oh no' and fleeing the studio for getting a call wrong in a game. Like, Artosis was in stitches far past the point where Tasteless had moved on and just kept laughing and laughing, to the point it went through funny, came back around and became funny again just because of Artosis's reaction. Honestly I think Tasteless is better at sniping Artosis's funny bone than the other way round. Most of the times it seems to be Tasteless breaking Artosis, not the other way round. Either way, just one of those signs that they really are best friends. They know each other so well that their humour is laser-guided. | ||
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