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On August 15 2018 20:59 Parrek wrote:
I think Neeb Maru is better. Neeb still has good PvZ and recently has mainly had problems vs Dark. If Impact has some good cheese builds ready he'll take it, but otherwise, I think Neeb has it and can beat Reynor as well
I seem to remember Impact doing some pretty weird builds in ZvP. Neeb will have a tough time against him I think.
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On August 15 2018 20:59 Parrek wrote:
I think Neeb Maru is better. Neeb still has good PvZ and recently has mainly had problems vs Dark. If Impact has some good cheese builds ready he'll take it, but otherwise, I think Neeb has it and can beat Reynor as well
if impact prepared in any way against neeb, he cheeses like anything and we get a rematch , but raynor is the favorit against either imho
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On August 15 2018 20:56 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 20:54 Noonius wrote:On August 15 2018 20:51 Ej_ wrote:On August 15 2018 20:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
lol it's 2018 and terrans have been doing this for 8 years. How zergs fail to scout this and lose to this build still is beyond me. Because theres 4 proxy locations on Catalyst and you have 2 overlords when 2rax finishes. But you are welcome to release a how to play video against 2rax, be my guest, coach ReachTheSky so salty I just think it's really fucking stupid how a random guy online thinks he's solved the game and the progamers just need to learn to play, because it's so easy. Drone scouting is also obviously a cost vs gain scenario, but everyone can be a strategy genius with hindsight and time machine.
It's obviously easier to sit here and judge on the stream, but cmon, this is Maru. If 90% of the people watching already know when Maru is going to proxy rax before the game, a pro player fighting for their life in a tournament can make the extra preparation for a build that is statistically extremely likely from a particular player. This is not just hindsight talking.
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On August 15 2018 20:58 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 20:56 Ej_ wrote:On August 15 2018 20:54 Noonius wrote:On August 15 2018 20:51 Ej_ wrote:On August 15 2018 20:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
lol it's 2018 and terrans have been doing this for 8 years. How zergs fail to scout this and lose to this build still is beyond me. Because theres 4 proxy locations on Catalyst and you have 2 overlords when 2rax finishes. But you are welcome to release a how to play video against 2rax, be my guest, coach ReachTheSky so salty I just think it's really fucking stupid how a random guy online thinks he's solved the game and the progamers just need to learn to play, because it's so easy. Drone scouting is also obviously a cost vs gain scenario, but everyone can be a strategy genius with hindsight and time machine. Everyone outside of actual pros seems to remember that Maru proxies whenever he's down in a series though.
i just think it makes more sense to suppose that pros have actual reasons for not wanting to spend every game drone scouting the entire map than to conclude that zerg players are lobotomized chimps who have no idea how maru plays
idk if you play zerg much, but you can definitely drone scout for a 2rax and still not find it. after you've played a game where your drone misses the barracks by 1 hex you start relying on overlords more. it's also very map dependent and meta dependent (meaning the meta of where to place proxies)
i'm not disagreeing that a drone scout would have been good in that game, but reductive reasoning about cost-benefit situations involving workers and mining time where forum posters say "pros are idiots" is just kind of a waste of time. i tend to think the person who ladders at 6.5k knows more about how builds work than i do
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Artosis still on the Impact hypetrain
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On August 15 2018 20:56 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 20:54 Noonius wrote:On August 15 2018 20:51 Ej_ wrote:On August 15 2018 20:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
lol it's 2018 and terrans have been doing this for 8 years. How zergs fail to scout this and lose to this build still is beyond me. Because theres 4 proxy locations on Catalyst and you have 2 overlords when 2rax finishes. But you are welcome to release a how to play video against 2rax, be my guest, coach ReachTheSky so salty I just think it's really fucking stupid how a random guy online thinks he's solved the game and the progamers just need to learn to play, because it's so easy. Drone scouting is also obviously a cost vs gain scenario, but everyone can be a strategy genius with hindsight and time machine.
It's not even hindsight here. Literally, for the last 8 years, zergs have played against this. It doesn't take 8 years and it doesn't take a progamer to figure out you should drone scout and then take the terran's second gas with the drone.
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On August 15 2018 21:03 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 20:58 Fango wrote:On August 15 2018 20:56 Ej_ wrote:On August 15 2018 20:54 Noonius wrote:On August 15 2018 20:51 Ej_ wrote:On August 15 2018 20:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
lol it's 2018 and terrans have been doing this for 8 years. How zergs fail to scout this and lose to this build still is beyond me. Because theres 4 proxy locations on Catalyst and you have 2 overlords when 2rax finishes. But you are welcome to release a how to play video against 2rax, be my guest, coach ReachTheSky so salty I just think it's really fucking stupid how a random guy online thinks he's solved the game and the progamers just need to learn to play, because it's so easy. Drone scouting is also obviously a cost vs gain scenario, but everyone can be a strategy genius with hindsight and time machine. Everyone outside of actual pros seems to remember that Maru proxies whenever he's down in a series though. i just think it makes more sense to suppose that pros have actual reasons for not wanting to spend every game drone scouting the entire map than to conclude that zerg players are lobotomized chimps who have no idea how maru plays idk if you play zerg much, but you can definitely drone scout for a 2rax and still not find it. after you've played a game where your drone misses the barracks by 1 hex you start relying on overlords more. it's also very map dependent and meta dependent (meaning the meta of where to place proxies) i'm not disagreeing that a drone scout would have been good in that game, but reductive reasoning about cost-benefit situations involving workers and mining time where forum posters say "pros are idiots" is just kind of a waste of time. i tend to think the person who ladders at 6.5k knows more about how builds work than i do
i think it is less about the scout and more about not choosing the greedy builds when in front against maru, which is a sensible thing to think about would say
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Tasteless this is not broodwar
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On August 15 2018 21:03 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 20:58 Fango wrote:On August 15 2018 20:56 Ej_ wrote:On August 15 2018 20:54 Noonius wrote:On August 15 2018 20:51 Ej_ wrote:On August 15 2018 20:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
lol it's 2018 and terrans have been doing this for 8 years. How zergs fail to scout this and lose to this build still is beyond me. Because theres 4 proxy locations on Catalyst and you have 2 overlords when 2rax finishes. But you are welcome to release a how to play video against 2rax, be my guest, coach ReachTheSky so salty I just think it's really fucking stupid how a random guy online thinks he's solved the game and the progamers just need to learn to play, because it's so easy. Drone scouting is also obviously a cost vs gain scenario, but everyone can be a strategy genius with hindsight and time machine. Everyone outside of actual pros seems to remember that Maru proxies whenever he's down in a series though. i just think it makes more sense to suppose that pros have actual reasons for not wanting to spend every game drone scouting the entire map than to conclude that zerg players are lobotomized chimps who have no idea how maru plays idk if you play zerg much, but you can definitely drone scout for a 2rax and still not find it. after you've played a game where your drone misses the barracks by 1 hex you start relying on overlords more. it's also very map dependent and meta dependent (meaning the meta of where to place proxies) i'm not disagreeing that a drone scout would have been good in that game, but reductive reasoning about cost-benefit situations involving workers and mining time where forum posters say "pros are idiots" is just kind of a waste of time
They may have reasons for not drone scouting. But c'mon, it's Maru. We sit here in LR threads every time saying he's gonna proxy, and he always does, and the zergs don't counter it, and they lose.
PartinG used to beat him on a regular basis in HotS by literally blind countering proxy rax. I've used that example so much because he's the only pro that realised how often he does it. I'm not saying you have to open pool first every map against Maru, but it should warrant some kind of preparation
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Nice chargelot-archon timing attack Neeb. If Neeb wins, either Reynor or Neeb will advance and I'm happy regardless.
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so... impact didn't know that was coming? did he overlord scout the main? he just kind of instantly died to a standard protoss build
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Man, Artosis is screwing over players with his predictions
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On August 15 2018 21:08 brickrd wrote:
so... impact didn't know that was coming? did he overlord scout the main? he just kind of instantly died to a standard protoss build
Can't overlord scout the 8 gates vs a stargate opener
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Today has been a bit disappointing. Most of the games have ended quickly and often with a BO loss
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I guess it would make sense if Neeb went all in on prepping PvZ for today
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On August 15 2018 21:00 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 20:51 Ej_ wrote:On August 15 2018 20:49 ReachTheSky wrote:
lol it's 2018 and terrans have been doing this for 8 years. How zergs fail to scout this and lose to this build still is beyond me. Because theres 4 proxy locations on Catalyst and you have 2 overlords when 2rax finishes. But you are welcome to release a how to play video against 2rax, be my guest, coach ReachTheSky I'm flattered you look up to me like i'm a coach, bud. Nothing is stopping a zerg from scouting with a drone. Zergs are just too greedy. Everyone knows that Maru does these builds on a very regular basis lol. Yet we have some sillies in this thread calling for increased bunker build time SMH.
has nothing to do with greedy. zerg cant really afford to drone scout. therefore you have the 2 overlords to work with. that how the different races are working.
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On August 15 2018 21:08 brickrd wrote:
so... impact didn't know that was coming? did he overlord scout the main? he just kind of instantly died to a standard protoss build
lol 8 gate is not a standard build at all but yes it is quite hard to scout
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On August 15 2018 21:08 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 21:08 brickrd wrote:
so... impact didn't know that was coming? did he overlord scout the main? he just kind of instantly died to a standard protoss build Can't overlord scout the 8 gates vs a stargate opener
i suppose you normally can't, but that build has been meta for so long that it's a surprising gamble for impact to just have no units
On August 15 2018 21:09 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2018 21:08 brickrd wrote:
so... impact didn't know that was coming? did he overlord scout the main? he just kind of instantly died to a standard protoss build lol 8 gate is not a standard build at all but yes it is quite hard to scout
8 gate chargelot archon is not standard in pvz? i dunno what i've been watching for the last few months then?
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