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Gogo stephano, he can beat Heromarine twice !
However he is so doom in zvz!
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Only took 35 minutes to get some gameplay 
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On June 13 2018 23:36 Elentos wrote:Only took 35 minutes to get some gameplay
The music was enjoyable though.
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United States1225 Posts
Solid micro from Serral in that engagement. Perfect repositioning to keep his reinforcement stream protected, swinging just enough roaches up to the north to get a surround and push on new waves.
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Was some good roaching by Joona.
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Serral just always looks like he knows something about using roaches that his opponent doesn't in ZvZ. It's weird to watch how he'll go into a maxed engagement against say Nerchio, and just crush it. Like same upgrades and all, but it doesn't matter.
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United States1225 Posts
Are we really still doing the "Stephano doesn't care, practice, or study at all" meme?
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Stephano is so freaking disappointing, I am done with him, it hurts too much honestly.
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God damn Serral is so good - he always sets up for amazing engagements.
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I don't think that was particularly impressive play from Serral. I think HeRoMaRinE didn't split well enough versus the Banelings. Basically, standard Zerg is easier than Terran at WCS Circuit level, so Zerg dominates.
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Well between these games and GSL, feels like we won't have good games/series today.
At least commentators are trying to hype the game a bit, props to them
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how is the seeding here? group A seems really imbalanced compared to other groups.. HM and Serral were TOP4 last EU WCS.. and had good results also in Austin. A bit sad for HM, still congrats to Namshar.
About Stephano, he is in a great form.. 7k mmr.. and got in a group with Serral and HM.. bad luck I guess.
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On June 14 2018 19:04 jarodtou wrote:
how is the seeding here? group A seems really imbalanced compared to other groups.. HM and Serral were TOP4 last EU WCS.. and had good results also in Austin. A bit sad for HM, still congrats to Namshar.
About Stephano, he is in a great form.. 7k mmr.. and got in a group with Serral and HM.. bad luck I guess.
Yeah, it was the same last qualifier with a random amount of players from each way of qualifying to the groups. For example Serral as an invited top-4 player was with 3 open qualifier players.
Would like to know what kind of a system they have instead of 1 invited + 1 GM + 2 qualified in each group.
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Germany339 Posts
On June 14 2018 20:21 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 19:04 jarodtou wrote:
how is the seeding here? group A seems really imbalanced compared to other groups.. HM and Serral were TOP4 last EU WCS.. and had good results also in Austin. A bit sad for HM, still congrats to Namshar.
About Stephano, he is in a great form.. 7k mmr.. and got in a group with Serral and HM.. bad luck I guess. Yeah, it was the same last qualifier with a random amount of players from each way of qualifying to the groups. For example Serral as an invited top-4 player was with 3 open qualifier players. Would like to know what kind of a system they have instead of 1 invited + 1 GM + 2 qualified in each group.
they form 4 pools according to wcs points
here it was:
pool 1: serral (1), mana (7), showtime (4), nerchio (6)
pool 2: heromarine (10), snute (8), lambo (9), uthermal (13)
pool 3: stephano (19), ptitdrogo (24), bly (15), sortof* (34)
pool 4: namshar* (34), rail (98), soul (38), clem (47)
then for group A one player is picked randomly from each pool
then the same for groups b and c
seems like it was just pure bad luck for heromarine and stephano to get into that group
challenger rule book
*namshar and sortof were tied -> got randomly put into their pool (3 or 4)
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On June 14 2018 21:37 hjpalpha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2018 20:21 D-light wrote:On June 14 2018 19:04 jarodtou wrote:
how is the seeding here? group A seems really imbalanced compared to other groups.. HM and Serral were TOP4 last EU WCS.. and had good results also in Austin. A bit sad for HM, still congrats to Namshar.
About Stephano, he is in a great form.. 7k mmr.. and got in a group with Serral and HM.. bad luck I guess. Yeah, it was the same last qualifier with a random amount of players from each way of qualifying to the groups. For example Serral as an invited top-4 player was with 3 open qualifier players. Would like to know what kind of a system they have instead of 1 invited + 1 GM + 2 qualified in each group. they form 4 pools according to wcs points here it was: pool 1: serral (1), mana (7), showtime (4), nerchio (6) pool 2: heromarine (10), snute (8), lambo (9), uthermal (13) pool 3: stephano (19), ptitdrogo (24), bly (15), sortof* (34) pool 4: namshar* (34), rail (98), soul (38), clem (47) then for group A one player is picked randomly from each pool then the same for groups b and c seems like it was just pure bad luck for heromarine and stephano to get into that group challenger rule book*namshar and sortof were tied -> got randomly put into their pool (3 or 4)
Thanks. A pretty logical way to go that I was also kinda assuming, but next time should probably just check myself.
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Germany339 Posts
today the seemingly worst group ...
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United States1225 Posts
Drogo's macro has been really good so far, timing his harass well also.
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United States1225 Posts
Conversely, Snute's decision making has been questionable. 
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Both favorites lost their first match, huh.
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Bly is just so funny to watch, nydus/muta ni zvz and a win against lambo :D
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that was actually so good by Bly
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So is proxy rax/bunker vs. Zerg stronger right now than it used to be because of the way economy works in LOTV? Seems to win the big majority of tournament games, Korean or otherwise, that I see it used in and there doesn't seem to be a reliable way to scout or play against it if you are trying to be safe other than blind pool first.
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Surprising results here, but I thought maybe Lambo and soul would go through as showtime is not in his best form.
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On June 17 2018 01:37 LordYama wrote:
So is proxy rax/bunker vs. Zerg stronger right now than it used to be because of the way economy works in LOTV? Seems to win the big majority of tournament games, Korean or otherwise, that I see it used in and there doesn't seem to be a reliable way to scout or play against it if you are trying to be safe other than blind pool first.
They were even more popular before LOTV, any terran that's not Happy was almost always ahead with a proxy 2 rax.
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NA WCS is a joke compared to EU
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On June 17 2018 02:28 Nerchio wrote:
NA WCS is a joke compared to EU
Not enough 2rax/3rax on NA.
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On June 17 2018 02:28 Nerchio wrote:
NA WCS is a joke compared to EU
TBH every region, but Korea is really weak compared to EU and EU is very weak compared to Korea :D. Just how the things are.
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What determines invites please?
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On June 17 2018 01:57 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2018 01:37 LordYama wrote:
So is proxy rax/bunker vs. Zerg stronger right now than it used to be because of the way economy works in LOTV? Seems to win the big majority of tournament games, Korean or otherwise, that I see it used in and there doesn't seem to be a reliable way to scout or play against it if you are trying to be safe other than blind pool first. They were even more popular before LOTV, any terran that's not Happy was almost always ahead with a proxy 2 rax.
I miss Happy, what a micro-god he was, it's always a delight seeing his war3 stream.
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On June 17 2018 04:30 Edpayasugo wrote:
What determines invites please?
Top 4 of last Challenger
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If Reynor is 16 before the main tournament starts (he will be) can he participate?
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On June 17 2018 06:02 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2018 01:57 DBooN wrote:On June 17 2018 01:37 LordYama wrote:
So is proxy rax/bunker vs. Zerg stronger right now than it used to be because of the way economy works in LOTV? Seems to win the big majority of tournament games, Korean or otherwise, that I see it used in and there doesn't seem to be a reliable way to scout or play against it if you are trying to be safe other than blind pool first. They were even more popular before LOTV, any terran that's not Happy was almost always ahead with a proxy 2 rax. I miss Happy, what a micro-god he was, it's always a delight seeing his war3 stream.
The one I was referring to was the korean Happy though, who somehow lost with proxy 2-rax against 3 hatch before pool.
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Even when Nerchio runs up a narrow ramp, he manages to make it a beautiful engagement!
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On June 17 2018 23:41 DBooN wrote:
Even when Nerchio runs up a narrow ramp, he manages to make it a beautiful engagement!
Clumped tanks on a ramp with the marines behind them when you have vipers is probably the Zerg dream.
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Is it time to post the 2/3 rax meme yet?
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The winrate of 2rax/3rax vs zerg in tournaments has to be absolutely insane. I never see this strategy lose.
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The winrate of 2rax/3rax vs zerg in tourmanets has to be absolutely insane. I never see this strategy lose.
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uThermal didn't veto Dreamcatcher?
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On June 18 2018 00:53 Durnuu wrote:uThermal didn't veto Dreamcatcher?
Well, he probably just reaffirmed his opinion on the map.
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Proxy rax twice in a row now?
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On June 18 2018 01:08 DBooN wrote:
Proxy rax twice in a row now?
The winrate of 2rax/3rax in tournaments vs Zerg must be insane. I never see this strategy lose.
Edit: whoops I'm kinda late to the party 
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Were the playoff brackets shown?
If the seedings are based on WCS Points, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out.
Serral -> Nerchio -> Snute -> Bly
Mana -> uThermal -> Namshar -> Soul
So it would be:
Serral - Soul
Bly - Mana
Nerchio - Namshar
Snute - uThermal
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On June 17 2018 22:33 Uberfather wrote:
If Reynor is 16 before the main tournament starts (he will be) can he participate?
He can and he will. Will be his first appearance at a WCS. Rooting for him to top his qualifying groups, he is also in a rising form, 7k MMR vs 6500-6600 last season.
Not that it matter that much, since Showtime has 7K and is doing poorly last 2 months or so in tournaments, but it is the only measurement we can see (beside some weekly small tournaments).
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Damn, Mana is so scrappy. Makes for entertaining games though.
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What a strangely awesome game!
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Petition to revoke Bly's progaming license.
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Bly might be the most awful Zerg late game player I've seen at this level haha
He has a good brain tho
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Staying of 3 bases for 25min and win is an achievement, but it's also questionable
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On June 23 2018 23:49 DieuCure wrote:Staying of 3 bases for 25min and win is an achievement, but it's also questionable
It's not like he didn't try to get a 4th.
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No gg as usual from Nerchio.
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It's weird how we see this build win every game, but still terrans don't do it every game. (and if you could do it every game, I'm sure they would)
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Snute and queens, name a better duo.
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On June 24 2018 01:15 Durnuu wrote:
Snute and queens, name a better duo.
Uthermal and proxy rax?
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On June 24 2018 01:16 DBooN wrote:Uthermal and proxy rax?
Life and bookmakers
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Snute with the tribute to Byul?
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On June 24 2018 01:29 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2018 01:16 DBooN wrote:On June 24 2018 01:15 Durnuu wrote:
Snute and queens, name a better duo. Uthermal and proxy rax? Life and bookmakers
Mutalisks and losing vs Terran.
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I guess since he only built like 6 mutas the handicap is small enough so he can still win.
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On June 24 2018 01:34 DBooN wrote:
I guess since he only built like 6 mutas the handicap is small enough so he can still win.
ByuL should've just fled to EU like Mvp had done before.
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On June 24 2018 01:35 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2018 01:34 DBooN wrote:
I guess since he only built like 6 mutas the handicap is small enough so he can still win. ByuL should've just fled to EU like Mvp had done before.
What would his new identity have been? Bernd?
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On June 24 2018 01:40 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2018 01:35 Ej_ wrote:On June 24 2018 01:34 DBooN wrote:
I guess since he only built like 6 mutas the handicap is small enough so he can still win. ByuL should've just fled to EU like Mvp had done before. What would his new identity have been? Bernd?
Bernd Olafsen
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If uThermal loses this game because he never sees the 5th, that will be super sad.
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Did Uthermal try to be Bomber?
not clearing creep at all
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Creep might be balanced at the highest level but it feels terrible from a design perspective.
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MUTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS
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Mutas and a swarm host general. Can't lose.
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I can't wait for GSL vs The World for the Serral hype train to get derailed till the WCS Global Finals when it gets derailed again.
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Rooting for the Snuting here. Sad that Mana stood no chance against Serral
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There are so much pauses, mass zvz is boring enough.
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So region lock for Finland?
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Start of the comeback, boys.
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Serral dropped another map? Slumpin' pretty hard still I see.
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
Was any of this recommended?
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On June 24 2018 06:38 Penev wrote:
Serral dropped another map? Slumpin' pretty hard still I see.
Too bad he's not at HSC. I want to see him play more against the toughest players.
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On June 24 2018 18:33 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2018 06:38 Penev wrote:
Serral dropped another map? Slumpin' pretty hard still I see. Too bad he's not at HSC. I want to see him play more against the toughest players.
HSC is not a real tournament anyway, or so I've heard
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anywhere to get the replay pack or only for the major offline tourneys?
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