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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 04 2018 10:07 GMT
#61
Eat an orange? Real men eat a seeker and become orange.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
xongnox
Profile Joined November 2011
540 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 10:08:38
March 04 2018 10:07 GMT
#62
On March 04 2018 19:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 18:55 Penev wrote:
On March 04 2018 17:24 Be9he wrote:
Don't understand the whining about raven, zerg late or patch protoss. In semis we have the very best koreans of all 3 races (in this moment of SC2) and the best foreigner right now. What a fantastic tournament, a lot of amazing games. Enjoy the best esport in the world.

It's not just balance but also because of how the ability works, let's not go full paranoid conspiracy theory immediately like some others in this thread. Storm and parasitic bomb at least have you microing out of it/ singling out the infected, this missile just instantly paints your army orange. Also it lasts for 21 seconds.

Balance wise it's hard to see this thing not becoming a problem tbh. It needs to get the fungal treatment or there's going to be a lot of beautiful paint jobs in the near future.


To be fair with vikings against parasitic bomb you basically lose all of them even when you do micro.


And to be fair the time units get out of storm they get heavily damaged, and warp-prism+storm vs T seems very broken atm at top level.

But yep it's probably way too strong once the Terran have 10+ ravens with energy. Trading before this point is not impossible tho, we have seen this with TY vs Rogue, for example.

MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
March 04 2018 10:09 GMT
#63
2 Zerg, 1 Terran and 1 Protoss in the top 4 in Katowice.

TvZ: 50.6%
ZvP: 49.6%
PvT: 53.0%

The game is insanely well balanced given how diverse the races are.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 04 2018 10:09 GMT
#64
Intentional delays because they know the ro4 will be over in record time?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 04 2018 10:11 GMT
#65
On March 04 2018 18:55 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 17:24 Be9he wrote:
Don't understand the whining about raven, zerg late or patch protoss. In semis we have the very best koreans of all 3 races (in this moment of SC2) and the best foreigner right now. What a fantastic tournament, a lot of amazing games. Enjoy the best esport in the world.

It's not just balance but also because of how the ability works, let's not go full paranoid conspiracy theory immediately like some others in this thread. Storm and parasitic bomb at least have you microing out of it/ singling out the infected, this missile just instantly paints your army orange. Also it lasts for 21 seconds.

Balance wise it's hard to see this thing not becoming a problem tbh. It needs to get the fungal treatment or there's going to be a lot of beautiful paint jobs in the near future.

Can you not micro against it by pulling units away like the old seeker missile?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 04 2018 10:11 GMT
#66
On March 04 2018 19:11 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 18:55 Penev wrote:
On March 04 2018 17:24 Be9he wrote:
Don't understand the whining about raven, zerg late or patch protoss. In semis we have the very best koreans of all 3 races (in this moment of SC2) and the best foreigner right now. What a fantastic tournament, a lot of amazing games. Enjoy the best esport in the world.

It's not just balance but also because of how the ability works, let's not go full paranoid conspiracy theory immediately like some others in this thread. Storm and parasitic bomb at least have you microing out of it/ singling out the infected, this missile just instantly paints your army orange. Also it lasts for 21 seconds.

Balance wise it's hard to see this thing not becoming a problem tbh. It needs to get the fungal treatment or there's going to be a lot of beautiful paint jobs in the near future.

Can you not micro against it by pulling units away like the old seeker missile?

The new missile is virtually instant.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 10:12:32
March 04 2018 10:12 GMT
#67
On March 04 2018 19:11 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 18:55 Penev wrote:
On March 04 2018 17:24 Be9he wrote:
Don't understand the whining about raven, zerg late or patch protoss. In semis we have the very best koreans of all 3 races (in this moment of SC2) and the best foreigner right now. What a fantastic tournament, a lot of amazing games. Enjoy the best esport in the world.

It's not just balance but also because of how the ability works, let's not go full paranoid conspiracy theory immediately like some others in this thread. Storm and parasitic bomb at least have you microing out of it/ singling out the infected, this missile just instantly paints your army orange. Also it lasts for 21 seconds.

Balance wise it's hard to see this thing not becoming a problem tbh. It needs to get the fungal treatment or there's going to be a lot of beautiful paint jobs in the near future.

Can you not micro against it by pulling units away like the old seeker missile?


It doesn't have a 1 sec delay before flying to the target and it moves real fast, so you can't.
droppanda
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia176 Posts
March 04 2018 10:14 GMT
#68
Maru making it far, hope he wins, but I think huge task to get past Rogue who took down TY.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
March 04 2018 10:16 GMT
#69
On March 04 2018 19:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 18:55 Penev wrote:
On March 04 2018 17:24 Be9he wrote:
Don't understand the whining about raven, zerg late or patch protoss. In semis we have the very best koreans of all 3 races (in this moment of SC2) and the best foreigner right now. What a fantastic tournament, a lot of amazing games. Enjoy the best esport in the world.

It's not just balance but also because of how the ability works, let's not go full paranoid conspiracy theory immediately like some others in this thread. Storm and parasitic bomb at least have you microing out of it/ singling out the infected, this missile just instantly paints your army orange. Also it lasts for 21 seconds.

Balance wise it's hard to see this thing not becoming a problem tbh. It needs to get the fungal treatment or there's going to be a lot of beautiful paint jobs in the near future.


To be fair with vikings against parasitic bomb you basically lose all of them even when you do micro.

Other abilities are not beyond changing/ nerfing of course but it's surprising they thought this new one is a good idea after all the ability history we have accumulated. And by surprising I mean disappointing obviously.

I Protoss winner, could it be?
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
March 04 2018 10:17 GMT
#70
Pre-splitting your units, tempest, feedback, multi-prong attacks, blink forward and snipe, constant trading, parasitic bomb.

There are plenty of ways to fight Ravens.

If Ravens were too strong we would see more than 2 Terrans in the top 12.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 04 2018 10:19 GMT
#71
On March 04 2018 19:17 MockHamill wrote:
Pre-splitting your units, tempest, feedback, multi-prong attacks, blink forward and snipe, constant trading, parasitic bomb.

There are plenty of ways to fight Ravens.

If Ravens were too strong we would see more than 2 Terrans in the top 12.

Well you have to survive to the mass ravens stage
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 10:20:01
March 04 2018 10:19 GMT
#72
Maybe the real problem isn't Ravens but speed Banshees?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
March 04 2018 10:20 GMT
#73
What is taking this long
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 04 2018 10:20 GMT
#74
I just love these late game banshees. Great utility
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 10:21:42
March 04 2018 10:21 GMT
#75
Good morning everyone. I heard yesterday was pretty damn good so I decided to get up early for this one.

I'm not late, am I?
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 04 2018 10:21 GMT
#76
On March 04 2018 19:21 The_Templar wrote:
Good morning everyone. I heard yesterday was pretty damn good so I decided to get up early for this one.

I'm not late, am I?

If the games suck now I'm blaming you.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 10:23:43
March 04 2018 10:22 GMT
#77
The greatest strength of the new missile is that it somehow prevent zergs from ever, ever pre split their army. Some kind of long range mind control of the zerg player, maybe ?

Or hit timings before the terran manages to pool 2k gas without dying.

Or not going for 5 full reprod of corr / BL when your opponent has 20 ravens and 20 vikings.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Avicularia
Profile Joined February 2012
540 Posts
March 04 2018 10:22 GMT
#78
Guys, when can I watch that "amazing ZvZ" from group B? I wanted to do it in a meantime.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 04 2018 10:22 GMT
#79
On March 04 2018 19:21 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2018 19:21 The_Templar wrote:
Good morning everyone. I heard yesterday was pretty damn good so I decided to get up early for this one.

I'm not late, am I?

If the games suck now I'm blaming you.

But I was around for some of the great games yesterday >.<
Moderatorshe/her
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
March 04 2018 10:23 GMT
#80
On March 04 2018 19:22 Avicularia wrote:
Guys, when can I watch that "amazing ZvZ" from group B? I wanted to do it in a meantime.

it was on esl_sc2b, you can watch it on twitch
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