• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:34
CET 23:34
KST 07:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)25Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft 2 not at the Esports World Cup 2026 herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued [Short Story] The Last GSL
Tourneys
$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open! SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
Which foreign pros are considered the best? [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Gypsy to Korea BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Fantasy's Q&A video
Tourneys
Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Lost love spell caster in Spain +27 74 116 2667
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread NASA and the Private Sector
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Esports Advertising Shap…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1715 users

The "I Got DQ'd From PyeongChang" Invitational

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Normal
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-20 17:39:51
December 12 2017 22:44 GMT
#1
[image loading]


As I mentioned in my tweet the other day, I've decided to hold a little invitational tournament for the players who got DQ'd from the PyeongChang tournament due to possible WESG schedule conflicts.

When?
Friday, Dec 22 and Saturday, Dec 23. Start time both days is 2PM Pacific.
Groups on Friday. Semi-finals and Finals on Saturday.

Where?
It will be on my twitch channel: http://www.twitch.tv/filthyrake

Who?
Neeb, puCK, SpeCial, Scarlett, JonSnow, KelaZhur

Casters?
This event is being cast by the awesome Gauntlet folks.

Format?
2 3-player Round Robin Groups. Top 2 players from each advance to Bo5 semi-finals, followed by Bo7 finals.

Groups?
Group 1:
SpeCial
Scarlett
puCK

Group 2:
Neeb
KelaZhur
JonSnow

Prize Pool?
As of the time of this writing, we are up to $2,590 on our Matcherino page (holy cow you are a generous community)! If you would also like to contribute to the prize pool, do so here: https://matcherino.com/tournaments/9280/

Breakdown for payout is: 40%/20%/12.5%/12.5%/7.5%/7.5%
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
December 12 2017 23:01 GMT
#2
When?

January 1st to January 4th.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
December 12 2017 23:08 GMT
#3
Ya know, there is a lack of double-elimination online tournaments in StarCraft these days... *wink wink*

Awesome to hear the Gauntlet dudes are into it. Looking forward to hearing when it'll happen! Fingers and toes crossed for no scheduling predicaments too!
Blunder Man doing everything thing a blunder can.
DraTV
Profile Joined December 2016
United States31 Posts
December 12 2017 23:17 GMT
#4
Double Elimination would be best to extend out the entire tournament.
Also may bring extra Hype!
Also Also: Let's try to get scheduled Player Interviews during down time or something.
Let's make this the most hyped professional invitational ever!
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 13 2017 02:06 GMT
#5
If it is only 4 players (Neeb, SpeCial, Scarlett, and JonSnow), you might as well go best of 5 in the first round then best of 7 for the final.
_Nova_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States167 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 02:37:41
December 13 2017 02:36 GMT
#6
On December 13 2017 11:06 Boggyb wrote:
If it is only 4 players (Neeb, SpeCial, Scarlett, and JonSnow), you might as well go best of 5 in the first round then best of 7 for the final.


If it were only 4 players, I think a BO5 round robin then 1st and 2nd play a BO7 for the finals would make for a more thrilling tournament. :thinking:
VengefulTree
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada637 Posts
December 13 2017 05:51 GMT
#7

When?
Great question! I dont know yet! Stay tuned, we are working on that bit.


Wouldn't it be funny if this tournament was ruined by player's conflicting schedules
"I'll temper my comments the best I can. To have Stats ranked anything below 2nd is total absolute bullcrap! A travesty an abomination!" - Rolltide | "When a foreign Terran is about to win, the entire universe conspires against him" - Paulo Coelho
yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
December 13 2017 06:19 GMT
#8
Wow a meme tournament, like it
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4522 Posts
December 13 2017 07:07 GMT
#9
Thanks for doing this, I appreciate it.
hi. big fan.
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 21:59:52
December 13 2017 08:03 GMT
#10
Will contribute some tonight. Didn't see this was a thing until now (though saw it mentioned).

Great initiative, FilthyRake.



Edit: donated
**@ YT: SC2POVs at https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2POVsTV | https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/SC2POVs @**
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 13 2017 16:01 GMT
#11
Like I said - format is still being nailed down. We'll find something fun and worthwhile, given the fairly low number of players
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
December 13 2017 16:08 GMT
#12
Can't wait
TL+ Member
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
December 14 2017 11:44 GMT
#13
You are awesome for doing this and so are all the peeps that donated <3

On December 13 2017 08:01 Nakajin wrote:
When?

January 1st to January 4th.

Is this official?
CORN GIRL + Flash + FanTaSy + CholeraSC + iNcontroL 4 eva <3
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
December 14 2017 13:51 GMT
#14
On December 14 2017 20:44 AlgeriaT wrote:
You are awesome for doing this and so are all the peeps that donated <3

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 08:01 Nakajin wrote:
When?

January 1st to January 4th.

Is this official?


No it was suppose to be a joke with th WESG dates but I can't read
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 14 2017 15:52 GMT
#15
the Prize Pool is up to $2,650! You guys are nuts, and amazing

I've updated the OP with an almost-locked-down player list.
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10689 Posts
December 14 2017 23:52 GMT
#16
lol, this is great. Thanks for hosting! Gogo Scarlett!
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-15 18:18:42
December 15 2017 18:01 GMT
#17
Hey guys, if you all havent seen:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/7k1caf/update_on_the_iem_pyeongchang_na_qualifier/

Apollo has released a statement for the IEM Qualifier thing. This is great news for all the DQd players!


That said..... I am planning to still continue forward with the tournament. No change of plans on my side.

If anyone has questions, please feel free to ask.


edit: any backers who want to be refunded, let me know and I should be able to do that via matcherino. But this must be done PRIOR to the event.
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 15 2017 19:41 GMT
#18
One more update - there are now really sick t-shirts and hoodies on our matcherino page you can buy if you want to help support the event:
https://matcherino.com/tournaments/9280/description
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 15 2017 21:16 GMT
#19
I definitely think you should still do it, but maybe just make it an open Americas tournament now instead?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 15 2017 22:04 GMT
#20
Make it:
"I Got DQ'd From PyeongChang or I Wished I Had Been"
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 18 2017 16:58 GMT
#21
Good News, Everyone!
Schedule and tournament format will be announced later today!
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
December 18 2017 17:28 GMT
#22
Slick shirts!
Blunder Man doing everything thing a blunder can.
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 19 2017 02:10 GMT
#23
I'm impatient and may not be at a computer all day, SO, I will tell you what I can.

This will be a 2-day event, THIS WEEKEND.
Friday, Dec 22 and Saturday, Dec 23!

There will be 2 3-player group stages, round robin. 2 players from each group advance.

The top-4 will play out normal bracket style,

Ro4 will be Bo5. Finals will be Bo7.

Times will be announced when I know them for sure.
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 20 2017 01:18 GMT
#24
Times updated in OP Basically 2pm Pacific start time both days.
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 20 2017 01:27 GMT
#25
aaaaaaaaand here are the groups:

Group 1:
KelaZhur
Scarlett
Neeb

Group 2:
JonSnow
puCK
SpeCial
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
Duckman
Profile Joined August 2009
United States158 Posts
December 20 2017 07:38 GMT
#26
HYPE thanks FilthyRake!
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 20 2017 15:33 GMT
#27
Ok, we reworked the groups a bit. Updated/final groups:


Group 1:
SpeCial
Scarlett
puCK

Group 2:
Neeb
KelaZhur
JonSnow


ALSO, prizing update:
all 6 players will be receiving a share of the prize money. Exact split to be announced a little later today
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
December 20 2017 20:00 GMT
#28
Glad to see puCK on the list. GLHF!
Blunder Man doing everything thing a blunder can.
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
December 21 2017 09:30 GMT
#29
I will donate a bit more tonight to make the prize money even.
**@ YT: SC2POVs at https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2POVsTV | https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/SC2POVs @**
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-22 16:44:14
December 22 2017 16:40 GMT
#30
We're getting this party started a little later today - I cant wait guys! Thanks for all the support with this. The current prize pool is up to $2,750!
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 22 2017 22:34 GMT
#31
I'm bemused that Kelazhur is still going for High Capacity Fuel Tanks. It's been like two or three months since he's started researching it occasionally, so the fact that he is still doing that means that he thinks it's effective? I really don't see it.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
December 22 2017 22:52 GMT
#32
On December 23 2017 07:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
I'm bemused that Kelazhur is still going for High Capacity Fuel Tanks. It's been like two or three months since he's started researching it occasionally, so the fact that he is still doing that means that he thinks it's effective? I really don't see it.

But how many maps against Dark did you win at Blizzcon?

It's a really good, underrated upgrade, but Kelazhur's love for it is indeed something else.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 22 2017 22:58 GMT
#33
I think High Capacity Fuel Tanks is a decent upgrade, but not something to rush for.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 22 2017 23:00 GMT
#34
On December 23 2017 07:58 Boggyb wrote:
I think High Capacity Fuel Tanks is a decent upgrade, but not something to rush for.


Which is why it's awkward to get since later on you usually want reactors on starports. Maybe getting it after researching advanced ballistics would be okay.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 22 2017 23:15 GMT
#35
On December 23 2017 08:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2017 07:58 Boggyb wrote:
I think High Capacity Fuel Tanks is a decent upgrade, but not something to rush for.


Which is why it's awkward to get since later on you usually want reactors on starports. Maybe getting it after researching advanced ballistics would be okay.

Yeah. I've often wondered how pulling some of the tech lab upgrades onto engineering bays/armories would impact the game. It could have some balance problems (stim), but more upgrades might finally see the light of day.
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 23 2017 01:44 GMT
#36
Prize pool up to $3,000 boys! we did it :D
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 23 2017 02:13 GMT
#37
Great first day - thanks for tuning in! Back tomorrow at 2pm Pacific with the semi's and finals
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 23 2017 02:14 GMT
#38
I get that players have to use what works, but man, I do not like seeing mass cyclone. Such a boring composition.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 23 2017 15:50 GMT
#39
On December 23 2017 11:13 FilthyRake wrote:
Great first day - thanks for tuning in! Back tomorrow at 2pm Pacific with the semi's and finals


It's no time listed in TL Calendar for Upcoming.
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 23 2017 16:04 GMT
#40
On December 24 2017 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2017 11:13 FilthyRake wrote:
Great first day - thanks for tuning in! Back tomorrow at 2pm Pacific with the semi's and finals


It's no time listed in TL Calendar for Upcoming.



It is the PSISTORM Gaming Misc item on the calendar
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 23 2017 21:07 GMT
#41
just a quick note for today - while the stream goes live in a bit under an hour, the first hour of the stream is going to be replays from yesterday. The new games wont start until 3pm pacific (apologies for the last minute delay - we just needed to delay a bit for our players in Korea).
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
amyamyamy
Profile Joined November 2017
76 Posts
December 24 2017 00:26 GMT
#42
What was that?

Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that

Fighting
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 24 2017 00:28 GMT
#43
On December 24 2017 09:26 amyamyamy wrote:
What was that?

Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that

Fighting


Yeah... that was one of the worst executed ling drops I've ever seen.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 24 2017 01:14 GMT
#44
holy shit that game 4 was nuts
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
December 24 2017 01:14 GMT
#45
sick game
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
December 24 2017 01:17 GMT
#46
Nice game four... Neeb's composition seemed off throughout though.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 24 2017 01:18 GMT
#47
On December 24 2017 10:17 VGhost wrote:
Nice game four... Neeb's composition seemed off throughout though.

He was using a very standard anti-hydra/lurker comp...
breaker1328
Profile Joined March 2016
Canada298 Posts
December 24 2017 01:28 GMT
#48
On December 24 2017 10:18 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 10:17 VGhost wrote:
Nice game four... Neeb's composition seemed off throughout though.

He was using a very standard anti-hydra/lurker comp...


I feel like Neeb has been hurt more than most by the disruptor changes.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
December 24 2017 01:28 GMT
#49
Scarlett>Neeb>Special>Scarlett, the NA circle carries on.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 24 2017 01:30 GMT
#50
On December 24 2017 10:28 breaker1328 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 10:18 Boggyb wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:17 VGhost wrote:
Nice game four... Neeb's composition seemed off throughout though.

He was using a very standard anti-hydra/lurker comp...

I feel like Neeb has been hurt more than most by the disruptor changes.

I'm pretty sure the Disruptor change is why Lurkers are such a problem for Protoss and is a huge part of why PvZ is so broken, so all Protoss have been hurt by it.
amyamyamy
Profile Joined November 2017
76 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-24 01:44:24
December 24 2017 01:39 GMT
#51
On December 24 2017 09:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 09:26 amyamyamy wrote:
What was that?

Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that

Fighting


Yeah... that was one of the worst executed ling drops I've ever seen.

The decision to keep producing lings and not immediately going back to droning when the Oracle was revealed was very baffling.

Edit: then again, upon reflection, maybe Scarlett simply - upon realizing Neeb was opening 3 Adept Oracle which obviously is a build order win for Protoss - decided to go for a hail mary ling commitment knowing there would no longer be any way of winning without Neeb messing up.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-24 01:44:53
December 24 2017 01:42 GMT
#52
On December 24 2017 10:39 amyamyamy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 09:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 24 2017 09:26 amyamyamy wrote:
What was that?

Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that

Fighting


Yeah... that was one of the worst executed ling drops I've ever seen.

The decision to keep producing lings and not immediately going back to droning when the Oracle was revealed was very baffling.


You're in a pretty difficult position decision-wise though if you get no damage done. I was more thinking of the execution with queens slowly walking across the map, lings sitting in the oracle beam without moving, and no defense at all at home.

On December 24 2017 10:30 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 10:28 breaker1328 wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:18 Boggyb wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:17 VGhost wrote:
Nice game four... Neeb's composition seemed off throughout though.

He was using a very standard anti-hydra/lurker comp...

I feel like Neeb has been hurt more than most by the disruptor changes.

I'm pretty sure the Disruptor change is why Lurkers are such a problem for Protoss and is a huge part of why PvZ is so broken, so all Protoss have been hurt by it.


I don't think it's the biggest thing (though it certainly didn't help). PvZ was zerg favoured even before the nerf, and disruptors were kind of an iffy solution against lurkers since lings kept on intercepting the balls--I thought regular immortal-heavy stuff was better against them even before the nerf.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 24 2017 01:46 GMT
#53
On December 24 2017 10:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 10:39 amyamyamy wrote:
On December 24 2017 09:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 24 2017 09:26 amyamyamy wrote:
What was that?

Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that

Fighting


Yeah... that was one of the worst executed ling drops I've ever seen.

The decision to keep producing lings and not immediately going back to droning when the Oracle was revealed was very baffling.


You're in a pretty difficult position decision-wise though if you get no damage done. I was more thinking of the execution with queens slowly walking across the map, lings sitting in the oracle beam without moving, and no defense at all at home.

Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 10:30 Boggyb wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:28 breaker1328 wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:18 Boggyb wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:17 VGhost wrote:
Nice game four... Neeb's composition seemed off throughout though.

He was using a very standard anti-hydra/lurker comp...

I feel like Neeb has been hurt more than most by the disruptor changes.

I'm pretty sure the Disruptor change is why Lurkers are such a problem for Protoss and is a huge part of why PvZ is so broken, so all Protoss have been hurt by it.


I don't think it's the biggest thing (though it certainly didn't help). PvZ was zerg favoured even before the nerf, and disruptors were kind of an iffy solution against lurkers since lings kept on intercepting the balls--I thought regular immortal-heavy stuff was better against them even before the nerf.

By Disruptor change, I was thinking the 4.0 one, not the shot delay.
amyamyamy
Profile Joined November 2017
76 Posts
December 24 2017 01:47 GMT
#54
On December 24 2017 10:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 10:39 amyamyamy wrote:
On December 24 2017 09:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 24 2017 09:26 amyamyamy wrote:
What was that?

Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that

Fighting


Yeah... that was one of the worst executed ling drops I've ever seen.

The decision to keep producing lings and not immediately going back to droning when the Oracle was revealed was very baffling.


You're in a pretty difficult position decision-wise though if you get no damage done. I was more thinking of the execution with queens slowly walking across the map, lings sitting in the oracle beam without moving, and no defense at all at home.

Yeah, the not picking the lings back up into the overlords (or at least moving them away) after the Oracle's Bean had been activated was way way below Scarlett's usual awesomeness
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 24 2017 01:53 GMT
#55
Mutas: Not even once
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-24 01:57:09
December 24 2017 01:55 GMT
#56
On December 24 2017 10:46 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 10:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:39 amyamyamy wrote:
On December 24 2017 09:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 24 2017 09:26 amyamyamy wrote:
What was that?

Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that

Fighting


Yeah... that was one of the worst executed ling drops I've ever seen.

The decision to keep producing lings and not immediately going back to droning when the Oracle was revealed was very baffling.


You're in a pretty difficult position decision-wise though if you get no damage done. I was more thinking of the execution with queens slowly walking across the map, lings sitting in the oracle beam without moving, and no defense at all at home.

On December 24 2017 10:30 Boggyb wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:28 breaker1328 wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:18 Boggyb wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:17 VGhost wrote:
Nice game four... Neeb's composition seemed off throughout though.

He was using a very standard anti-hydra/lurker comp...

I feel like Neeb has been hurt more than most by the disruptor changes.

I'm pretty sure the Disruptor change is why Lurkers are such a problem for Protoss and is a huge part of why PvZ is so broken, so all Protoss have been hurt by it.


I don't think it's the biggest thing (though it certainly didn't help). PvZ was zerg favoured even before the nerf, and disruptors were kind of an iffy solution against lurkers since lings kept on intercepting the balls--I thought regular immortal-heavy stuff was better against them even before the nerf.

By Disruptor change, I was thinking the 4.0 one, not the shot delay.


I wonder. People were going for Immortal/Archon stuff mainly when players like Nerchio went for lurkers pre-patch (though disruptors were certainly also a common response). The existence of the speed-lurker upgrade might change things a bit, but I'm not sure they'd change things in favour of disruptors, since it also means that lurkers could run away from disruptor balls better.

On December 24 2017 10:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Mutas: Not even once


They worked out pretty well for JonSnow against MajOr's 2 port speed-banshees (though that's definitely a SpeCial situation).
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 24 2017 02:06 GMT
#57
That nydus felt like it should have worked. I'd like to rewatch it to see what exactly went wrong.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 24 2017 02:08 GMT
#58
On December 24 2017 10:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2017 10:46 Boggyb wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:39 amyamyamy wrote:
On December 24 2017 09:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On December 24 2017 09:26 amyamyamy wrote:
What was that?

Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that

Fighting


Yeah... that was one of the worst executed ling drops I've ever seen.

The decision to keep producing lings and not immediately going back to droning when the Oracle was revealed was very baffling.


You're in a pretty difficult position decision-wise though if you get no damage done. I was more thinking of the execution with queens slowly walking across the map, lings sitting in the oracle beam without moving, and no defense at all at home.

On December 24 2017 10:30 Boggyb wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:28 breaker1328 wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:18 Boggyb wrote:
On December 24 2017 10:17 VGhost wrote:
Nice game four... Neeb's composition seemed off throughout though.

He was using a very standard anti-hydra/lurker comp...

I feel like Neeb has been hurt more than most by the disruptor changes.

I'm pretty sure the Disruptor change is why Lurkers are such a problem for Protoss and is a huge part of why PvZ is so broken, so all Protoss have been hurt by it.


I don't think it's the biggest thing (though it certainly didn't help). PvZ was zerg favoured even before the nerf, and disruptors were kind of an iffy solution against lurkers since lings kept on intercepting the balls--I thought regular immortal-heavy stuff was better against them even before the nerf.

By Disruptor change, I was thinking the 4.0 one, not the shot delay.


I wonder. People were going for Immortal/Archon stuff mainly when players like Nerchio went for lurkers pre-patch (though disruptors were certainly also a common response). The existence of the speed-lurker upgrade might change things a bit, but I'm not sure they'd change things in favour of disruptors, since it also means that lurkers could run away from disruptor balls better.

Pre 4.0, Protoss could tech while still taking a 3rd. I imagine the removal of the mothership core is a big part of why that's no longer really done.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 24 2017 02:09 GMT
#59
On December 24 2017 11:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
That nydus felt like it should have worked. I'd like to rewatch it to see what exactly went wrong.


It certainly looked like it could have--if they resumed from replay that fight I think Scarlett wins 7 or 8 out of 10 times.
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 24 2017 02:09 GMT
#60
prize pool up to $3,250!
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 24 2017 02:10 GMT
#61
On December 24 2017 11:09 FilthyRake wrote:
prize pool up to $3,250!

Really nice, that's awesome
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
amyamyamy
Profile Joined November 2017
76 Posts
December 24 2017 02:14 GMT
#62
Scarlett breaking my heart by reminding us all how awful 2 Hatch spire is in lotv ...
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-24 02:24:39
December 24 2017 02:24 GMT
#63
Razor thin defense. If she hadn't dropped queens on the high ground it probably would have worked

Major is just on another level right now though, at least in TvZ
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
amyamyamy
Profile Joined November 2017
76 Posts
December 24 2017 02:25 GMT
#64
But why drop them there in the first place - Scarlett knew where the Banshees were

Oh well shit happens
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-24 02:37:40
December 24 2017 02:36 GMT
#65
On December 24 2017 11:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Razor thin defense. If she hadn't dropped queens on the high ground it probably would have worked

Major is just on another level right now though, at least in TvZ

It’s more like he just has Scarlett’s number right now. He’d lose to about half of top EU Zergs and most KR Zergs. And he almost always loses to Neeb, but Scarlett keeps taking him out before he gets a chance to play Special.
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 24 2017 15:07 GMT
#66
VODs are now live!
Day 1:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/212216873

Day 2:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/212217518
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 24 2017 18:18 GMT
#67
Now that the event is over, if anyone has feedback (good or bad) they'd like to share I would love to hear it. I may run more, larger, events like this in the future and your feedback is crucial to my decision making.
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
December 24 2017 19:03 GMT
#68
The Gauntlet duo treating the start of games like it is still HotS and nothing happens till the 2 minute mark was super irritating. Even entering the game at the 1 minute mark can cause you to miss things like pylon blocks/cancels (did the Protoss actually do that or just fake it?). They can be ignoring the game and bantering during that time like literally every set of casters does, but at least give us the option of following what is going on if we want. I can't imagine how someone who is new and can't infer what likely happened or how a Zerg opened thought about that.
nick00bot
Profile Joined November 2010
326 Posts
December 24 2017 21:17 GMT
#69
^ seconded

like 20% of games began with cheeses that we didnt have time to fully get hype for because we only started seeing the game once the first offensive units were already out. With LoTV, even in macro games its good to be able to see openers because build orders branch off so quickly, so even if theres no action going on its good to be able to see the nuances of the pros.

SoO~Speed~Serral~$o$~Dark~Myungsik~TY~Byun~Classic
Jacenoob
Profile Joined August 2014
299 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-06 22:35:47
December 24 2017 22:08 GMT
#70
I like the Gauntlet guys a lot, they did a good job here too. Overall a very good tournament I would say, liked it a lot.
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 25 2017 17:00 GMT
#71
Thanks guys - that is very useful feedback and greatly appreciated
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
December 26 2017 01:04 GMT
#72
Replays from the event are now available via Spawning Tool:
https://lotv.spawningtool.com/replays/?tag=1607
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
January 17 2018 18:14 GMT
#73
I know, this is a bit of a necro, but I finally uploaded the vods to youtube as well:

Day 1:


Day 2:
Co-owner of PSISTORM Gaming
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
17:30
#38
RotterdaM1554
TKL 542
IndyStarCraft 283
BRAT_OK 147
EnkiAlexander 80
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1554
TKL 542
IndyStarCraft 283
BRAT_OK 147
ProTech138
JuggernautJason101
UpATreeSC 83
CosmosSc2 48
Temp0 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Bonyth 91
Shuttle 80
ivOry 19
NaDa 18
Dota 2
syndereN284
capcasts100
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1536
Foxcn262
minikerr21
Other Games
summit1g12826
Grubby2121
Beastyqt660
B2W.Neo524
Liquid`Hasu360
Harstem111
Livibee98
ZombieGrub48
Maynarde38
Mew2King35
OptimusSC25
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 61
• RyuSc2 14
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 27
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2526
League of Legends
• TFBlade1890
Other Games
• imaqtpie1758
• Shiphtur214
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 26m
Replay Cast
10h 26m
RongYI Cup
12h 26m
Clem vs TriGGeR
Maru vs Creator
WardiTV Invitational
15h 26m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 10h
RongYI Cup
1d 12h
herO vs Solar
WardiTV Invitational
1d 15h
The PondCast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
HomeStory Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W6
Escore Tournament S1: W7
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.