EPTThe "I Got DQ'd From PyeongChang" Invitational - Page 3
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FilthyRake
United States473 Posts
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amyamyamy
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Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that Fighting | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 24 2017 09:26 amyamyamy wrote: What was that? Cmon Scarlett you can do better than that Fighting Yeah... that was one of the worst executed ling drops I've ever seen. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
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VGhost
United States3608 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On December 24 2017 10:17 VGhost wrote: Nice game four... Neeb's composition seemed off throughout though. He was using a very standard anti-hydra/lurker comp... | ||
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breaker1328
Canada294 Posts
On December 24 2017 10:18 Boggyb wrote: He was using a very standard anti-hydra/lurker comp... I feel like Neeb has been hurt more than most by the disruptor changes. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On December 24 2017 10:28 breaker1328 wrote: I feel like Neeb has been hurt more than most by the disruptor changes. I'm pretty sure the Disruptor change is why Lurkers are such a problem for Protoss and is a huge part of why PvZ is so broken, so all Protoss have been hurt by it. | ||
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amyamyamy
76 Posts
On December 24 2017 09:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah... that was one of the worst executed ling drops I've ever seen. The decision to keep producing lings and not immediately going back to droning when the Oracle was revealed was very baffling. Edit: then again, upon reflection, maybe Scarlett simply - upon realizing Neeb was opening 3 Adept Oracle which obviously is a build order win for Protoss - decided to go for a hail mary ling commitment knowing there would no longer be any way of winning without Neeb messing up. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 24 2017 10:39 amyamyamy wrote: The decision to keep producing lings and not immediately going back to droning when the Oracle was revealed was very baffling. You're in a pretty difficult position decision-wise though if you get no damage done. I was more thinking of the execution with queens slowly walking across the map, lings sitting in the oracle beam without moving, and no defense at all at home. On December 24 2017 10:30 Boggyb wrote: I'm pretty sure the Disruptor change is why Lurkers are such a problem for Protoss and is a huge part of why PvZ is so broken, so all Protoss have been hurt by it. I don't think it's the biggest thing (though it certainly didn't help). PvZ was zerg favoured even before the nerf, and disruptors were kind of an iffy solution against lurkers since lings kept on intercepting the balls--I thought regular immortal-heavy stuff was better against them even before the nerf. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On December 24 2017 10:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote: You're in a pretty difficult position decision-wise though if you get no damage done. I was more thinking of the execution with queens slowly walking across the map, lings sitting in the oracle beam without moving, and no defense at all at home. I don't think it's the biggest thing (though it certainly didn't help). PvZ was zerg favoured even before the nerf, and disruptors were kind of an iffy solution against lurkers since lings kept on intercepting the balls--I thought regular immortal-heavy stuff was better against them even before the nerf. By Disruptor change, I was thinking the 4.0 one, not the shot delay. | ||
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amyamyamy
76 Posts
On December 24 2017 10:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote: You're in a pretty difficult position decision-wise though if you get no damage done. I was more thinking of the execution with queens slowly walking across the map, lings sitting in the oracle beam without moving, and no defense at all at home. Yeah, the not picking the lings back up into the overlords (or at least moving them away) after the Oracle's Bean had been activated was way way below Scarlett's usual awesomeness | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 24 2017 10:46 Boggyb wrote: By Disruptor change, I was thinking the 4.0 one, not the shot delay. I wonder. People were going for Immortal/Archon stuff mainly when players like Nerchio went for lurkers pre-patch (though disruptors were certainly also a common response). The existence of the speed-lurker upgrade might change things a bit, but I'm not sure they'd change things in favour of disruptors, since it also means that lurkers could run away from disruptor balls better. On December 24 2017 10:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Mutas: Not even once They worked out pretty well for JonSnow against MajOr's 2 port speed-banshees (though that's definitely a SpeCial situation). | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On December 24 2017 10:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I wonder. People were going for Immortal/Archon stuff mainly when players like Nerchio went for lurkers pre-patch (though disruptors were certainly also a common response). The existence of the speed-lurker upgrade might change things a bit, but I'm not sure they'd change things in favour of disruptors, since it also means that lurkers could run away from disruptor balls better. Pre 4.0, Protoss could tech while still taking a 3rd. I imagine the removal of the mothership core is a big part of why that's no longer really done. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 24 2017 11:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: That nydus felt like it should have worked. I'd like to rewatch it to see what exactly went wrong. It certainly looked like it could have--if they resumed from replay that fight I think Scarlett wins 7 or 8 out of 10 times. | ||
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FilthyRake
United States473 Posts
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