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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: WESG European & CIS 2017 ChampionSerral (14) 32% ShowTime (13) 30% Elazer (9) 20% Nerchio (8) 18% 44 total votes Your vote: WESG European & CIS 2017 Champion (Vote): Serral
(Vote): Elazer
(Vote): Nerchio
(Vote): ShowTime
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Showtime will win, and fail in the main event.
Just like his wcs challengers.
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Elazer vs Nerchio would be fun. But I guess Showtime winning would be preferable so that the final is no ZvZ.
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Elazer will sweep the floor, too nimble, too fast and the strategies are fine.,
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Elazer over Serral.
ShoWTimE over Nerchio.
Elazer over ShoWTimE.
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ZvZ finals, that's how a European event should look like.
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Hope we get no 3-0's today  Looking forward to it!
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Let's go Poland! 
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What the hell was that from Elazer? Like the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. You are on 3 bases (with a gold) against an opponent who obviously went for aggression and low eco and your idea is to attempt to end the game right there?
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On November 26 2017 23:40 Kovzirg wrote:
What the hell was that from Elazer? Like the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. You are on 3 bases (with a gold) against an opponent who obviously went for aggression and low eco and your idea is to attempt to end the game right there?
i might be wrong here, but taking gold is almost always means aggression, since you have a faster mining rate but you are on the clock as the base mines out quicker ... so i wasnt surprised to see Elazer committing to aggression
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Serral on point, as expected I think his zvz.
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Serral 3-0'd Elazer.
Starbuck lost to Serral 2-1.
Starbuck's ZvZ > Elazer's.
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On November 26 2017 23:58 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2017 23:40 Kovzirg wrote:
What the hell was that from Elazer? Like the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. You are on 3 bases (with a gold) against an opponent who obviously went for aggression and low eco and your idea is to attempt to end the game right there? i might be wrong here, but taking gold is almost always means aggression, since you have a faster mining rate but you are on the clock as the base mines out quicker ... so i wasnt surprised to see Elazer committing to aggression
You are completely wrong. He went triple hatch...in no way is that some build where he needs to press. RotterdaM was calling it really well too and was saying exactly what I am right now. Had he made a round or two of drones right after holding that attack he would’ve been MILES ahead.
I mean you really expect early aggression off of three early hatches even if one is a gold? What game do you play?
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On November 27 2017 00:34 Kovzirg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2017 23:58 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 26 2017 23:40 Kovzirg wrote:
What the hell was that from Elazer? Like the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. You are on 3 bases (with a gold) against an opponent who obviously went for aggression and low eco and your idea is to attempt to end the game right there? i might be wrong here, but taking gold is almost always means aggression, since you have a faster mining rate but you are on the clock as the base mines out quicker ... so i wasnt surprised to see Elazer committing to aggression You are completely wrong. He went triple hatch...in no way is that some build where he needs to press. RotterdaM was calling it really well too and was saying exactly what I am right now. Had he made a round or two of drones right after holding that attack he would’ve been MILES ahead. I mean you really expect early aggression off of three early hatches even if one is a gold? What game do you play?
3 hatches plus a gold is actually a fairly standard set up to lots of aggression as it gives the Zerg a lot of production off a relatively low worker count. I suspect most players would assume an opponent going for that build is going for a ling flood to the front or ling elevators. You'd obviously want to check mineral lines to confirm as they could just be being super greedy.
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Man that was so good from Nerchio, beautiful army movement.
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Gogo Nerchio close it out
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Oh noes, reverse sweep inc? :D
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that smirk
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Wow I thought this is gonna be ez 3-0 for ShoWTimE after the 2nd game. Good job Nerchio, finally some close series.
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Never doubt Nerchio!
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holy shit that attack from Nerchio!
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That was brutal surround by Nerchio :D
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I tuned in during game 3, perfect timing!
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Nice to see Nerchio so happy.
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On November 27 2017 00:34 Kovzirg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2017 23:58 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:On November 26 2017 23:40 Kovzirg wrote:
What the hell was that from Elazer? Like the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. You are on 3 bases (with a gold) against an opponent who obviously went for aggression and low eco and your idea is to attempt to end the game right there? i might be wrong here, but taking gold is almost always means aggression, since you have a faster mining rate but you are on the clock as the base mines out quicker ... so i wasnt surprised to see Elazer committing to aggression You are completely wrong. He went triple hatch...in no way is that some build where he needs to press. RotterdaM was calling it really well too and was saying exactly what I am right now. Had he made a round or two of drones right after holding that attack he would’ve been MILES ahead. I mean you really expect early aggression off of three early hatches even if one is a gold? What game do you play?
the one where eco management makes sense.
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Since Blizzard is hellbent on making Zerg the easiest race at the non-Korean professional level which dooms us all to constant ZvZs, they could at least make the match up less cancerous. We've had two redesigns and nothing has been done to fix the worst match up in SC2 history...
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wow Nerchio great comeback!
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On November 27 2017 01:54 Boggyb wrote:
Since Blizzard is hellbent on making Zerg the easiest race at the non-Korean professional level which dooms us all to constant ZvZs, they could at least make the match up less cancerous. We've had two redesigns and nothing has been done to fix the worst match up in SC2 history...
Yeah, thankfully we don't see many TvTs in the foreign scene
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showtime poppin that adderall
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rofl Showtime
Guess Serral wins it.
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All vetoes have been done, and the all-important WESG Coin Toss Ranking is complete! Nerchio has won 6 out of 7 coin tosses, a probability of only 5.47%!
Reynor won ALL his tosses, but he only had 4.
For the full ranking, see right here.
Edit: I'll post a link to the full replay pack of WESG Barcelona right after the finals right here in this thread.
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15k viewers. So sad the the games aren't exciting. I bet there are a lot of new players watching that got SC2 for free these days.
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30 banelings, ends up losing most of them and winning mostly because of the corruptors.
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On November 27 2017 02:29 Leviance wrote:
15k viewers. So sad the the games aren't exciting. I bet there are a lot of new players watching that got SC2 for free these days.
Down to 8,500 likely because of ZvZ.
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On November 27 2017 01:54 Boggyb wrote:
Since Blizzard is hellbent on making Zerg the easiest race at the non-Korean professional level which dooms us all to constant ZvZs, they could at least make the match up less cancerous. We've had two redesigns and nothing has been done to fix the worst match up in SC2 history...
I think ZvZ is really entertaining if it isn't some kind of 13/12 allin.
Unfortunately 13/12 is really common.
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Nerchio actually doesn't have a lot of experience coming from behind in major tournament finals. The biggest deficit he's come back from is 0-1.
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lol that third game in every way
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Indeed, rotti. He has won many offline tournaments in Finland. Even as a random player recently.
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I guess Serral is not bad.
Congrats!
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A major win perkele!
![[image loading]](http://imuri.kapsi.fi/rt/jajaja.gif)
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Serral OP, Blizz plz region lock Finland?
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Best player in Europe doing his thing.
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On November 27 2017 02:29 Leviance wrote:
15k viewers. So sad the the games aren't exciting. I bet there are a lot of new players watching that got SC2 for free these days.
Hard to be exciting when there is no terran in the game.
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On November 27 2017 04:07 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2017 02:29 Leviance wrote:
15k viewers. So sad the the games aren't exciting. I bet there are a lot of new players watching that got SC2 for free these days. Hard to be exciting when there is no terran in the game.
I don't know how much that would even help. TvZ isn't nearly as interesting if it isn't Bio vs. LBM.
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Yes. 2016 best year. (Minus the 3rax reaper bs)
So I don't know why Blizzard want us to play mech considering that bio's matchup are the most interesting...
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On November 27 2017 04:30 DieuCure wrote:
Yes. 2016 best year. (Minus the 3rax reaper bs)
So I don't know why Blizzard want us to play mech considering that bio's matchup are the most interesting...
The problem with 2016 was that it was basically all bio. Mech needs to have a place and ideally every TvZ best of 5/7 would have one ore mech games for spice, but it can't be all mech.
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Congrats to Serral. Finally a major win for him. Steady work pays off. Pretty dominating win as well. GG & torille!
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Serral was unstoppable today. GG
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On November 27 2017 04:26 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2017 04:07 DieuCure wrote:On November 27 2017 02:29 Leviance wrote:
15k viewers. So sad the the games aren't exciting. I bet there are a lot of new players watching that got SC2 for free these days. Hard to be exciting when there is no terran in the game. I don't know how much that would even help. TvZ isn't nearly as interesting if it isn't Bio vs. LBM.
Still better than ZvZ by a significant amount
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On November 27 2017 05:00 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2017 04:26 Boggyb wrote:On November 27 2017 04:07 DieuCure wrote:On November 27 2017 02:29 Leviance wrote:
15k viewers. So sad the the games aren't exciting. I bet there are a lot of new players watching that got SC2 for free these days. Hard to be exciting when there is no terran in the game. I don't know how much that would even help. TvZ isn't nearly as interesting if it isn't Bio vs. LBM. Still better than ZvZ by a significant amount
Literally everything in the game is better than a ZvZ which doesn't tech beyond roaches.
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I'd post a hockey gif but i'd probably get permabanned or smth :D
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showtime completly fell apart. he was steamrolling nerchio and then something happend and he wasnt able to win another game and looked totally helpless.
Was really strange
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On November 27 2017 04:30 DieuCure wrote:
Yes. 2016 best year. (Minus the 3rax reaper bs)
So I don't know why Blizzard want us to play mech considering that bio's matchup are the most interesting...
Honestly it was some very loud low apm players that have been whining for years about mech needing to be viable. Entire community enjoyed bio vs muta ling bane but now we're in a situation where the muta is totally dead and mech is so strong that it's by far the best playstyle lol.
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Finland wiped the floors with Poland. 7-0.
Can't believe a non-zerg snuck into the RO4 though.
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I heard they're replays from this, but can't find them.
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EPT
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