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Elentos
55550 Posts
On August 16 2017 22:40 pvsnp wrote: Takeaway from Inno winning is that GSL champ curse +rematch curse= dead Gumiho You forgot the most important one. TL writer curse overwhelming. | ||
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On August 16 2017 22:46 shadymmj wrote: lol flash is god - there is no comparison even. This, lmao. The only comparisons that could be made are savior or iloveoov. @ whoever atted me http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bogus let bonjwas be bonjwas. Innovation is not one. if you are looking purely at winrates the only players who would come close are byun and innovation. But its a feeling. Like you watch flash and it is seriously like watching a well oiled machine. Innovation still has those "glitches" in his program that casters mention. It might seem like a joke but its actually a really insightful comment because flash just doesnt make the same kind of mistakes like innovation does, his opponents can take games, but he wont lose 26 scvs to a vulture  | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 16 2017 22:55 c0sm0naut wrote: This, lmao. The only comparisons that could be made are savior or iloveoov. @ whoever atted me http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bogus let bonjwas be bonjwas. Innovation is not one. if you are looking purely at winrates the only players who would come close are byun and innovation. But its a feeling. Like you watch flash and it is seriously like watching a well oiled machine. Innovation still has those "glitches" in his program that casters mention. It might seem like a joke but its actually a really insightful comment because flash just doesnt make the same kind of mistakes like innovation does, his opponents can take games, but he wont lose 26 scvs to a vulture Don't think this is a response to me, since I wasn't saying Inno is a bonjwa. But I thought it was worth noting that: 1. Feelings are completely and utterly subjective and therefore a terrible qualification for bonjwa status (Mizenhauer/Wax have a much better explanation of why there are no bonjwas in SC2). Personally the criteria I would use for bonjwa would be an exceptionally high number of championships within a short period of time. For example if Inno won SSL+GSL+Blizzcon, those three trophies added to what he has already won this year would make him a bonjwa imo. 2. ByuN's career winrate is 72% compared to Inno's 68% but that is seriously inflated by his online cups. Offline ByuN is 60% compared to Inno's 66%. INnoVation is significantly ahead of ByuN for both GOAT and Bonjwa status (though not quite there for either). | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On August 16 2017 22:44 Elentos wrote: But Flash is GOAT and bonjwa. Inno is at the very best GOAT, not bonjwa. I don't think we'elle ever see a Bonjwa in sc2. too much volatile, too much easy to get cheesed out.. and correct me if I'm wrong but there seems to be also a lot more matches in sc2, online cup, international event, one can't and won't win everythinh | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Inno nothing but a patch Terran exploiting the new meta. Tilt pause OP, plz nerf. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On August 16 2017 23:12 pvsnp wrote: Most importantly of all, Inno won both games he paused in. Coincidence? I think not. Inno nothing but a patch Terran exploiting the new meta. Tilt pause OP, plz nerf. So that's why herO and Zest did it all the time in Proleague... It all makes sense now :O | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 16 2017 23:15 Durnuu wrote: So that's why herO and Zest did it all the time in Proleague... It all makes sense now :O Life won an IEM with that trick. so abusive | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On August 16 2017 23:41 Mun_Su wrote: Why did Inno pause? Without trolling bitchies The first pause was a mouse issue. I'm not sure about the second. It was probably mouse issues again, I imagine. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On August 16 2017 23:43 Durnuu wrote: The first pause was a mouse issue. I'm not sure about the second. It was probably mouse issues again, I imagine. So he won with handicap, this is GOAT class material | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 16 2017 23:54 Mun_Su wrote: So he won with handicap, this is GOAT class material Winning against all odds. Now that's a goat | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
Like why is Gumiho already back to being yet another good terran player instead of champion material? Why is INnovation losing to Solar? Wasn't he trashing other players in TvZ recently? Is this the mappool or ZvT got figured out a bit more? I expected INno and Gumiho, so my LBs won't look too good :/. Hopefully I'll stay in the top 50 / 100 at least for a few days. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On August 17 2017 00:52 Poopi wrote: Whenever I don't watch actively LotV, I feel like balance and/or player skill shifts happen a bit too frequently. Like why is Gumiho already back to being yet another good terran player instead of champion material? Why is INnovation losing to Solar? Wasn't he trashing other players in TvZ recently? Is this the mappool or ZvT got figured out a bit more? I expected INno and Gumiho, so my LBs won't look too good :/. Hopefully I'll stay in the top 50 / 100 at least for a few days. INnoVation didn't play Solar. GuMiho's GSL win was almost 2 months ago. A lot can change in 2 months, as showcased by Zest who went from trash to apparently good again, or ByuL who went from SSL playoffs form to SSL 0-7 form. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
My bad, why is INno losing to someone since he was successful in all matchups, and why did Gumiho lose to Solar after being a monster recently (he won a GSL iirc, but it was against soO so does that even mean anything regarding his TvZ skill? :x) edit: so yeah I guess I don't watch actively enough so the results seem inconsistent with what I remember. | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On August 17 2017 00:57 Poopi wrote: My bad, why is INno losing to someone since he was successful in all matchups, and why did Gumiho lose to Solar after being a monster recently (he won a GSL iirc, but it was against soO so does that even mean anything regarding his TvZ skill? :x) edit: so yeah I guess I don't watch actively enough so the results seem inconsistent with what I remember. INno is consistenly smashing zerg don't worry, he is good against protoss but when he face herO and Stats it's always hard. TvT was his Achille'heel but now he is quit good, not godlike but really good. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 17 2017 00:57 Poopi wrote: My bad, why is INno losing to someone since he was successful in all matchups, and why did Gumiho lose to Solar after being a monster recently (he won a GSL iirc, but it was against soO so does that even mean anything regarding his TvZ skill? :x) edit: so yeah I guess I don't watch actively enough so the results seem inconsistent with what I remember. tbf Gumiho has been getting trashed by lots of zergs recently so yea soo being bad against Terran probably means gumiho wasnt a phenomenal TvZ player or anything. I believe Gumi even says TvZ is by far his worst MU | ||
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usopsama
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
 would love to watch some good games without spoilers, on the other hand don't have time to watch the whole group | ||
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