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On July 23 2017 07:30 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:21 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:19 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:18 D-light wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 06:57 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:54 Alarak89 wrote:
Turns out Heromarine is the true foreigner and Zest held the pride of Korea. Zest just barely managed to avoid the irredeemable disgrace. He' already disgraced himself many times over the past months. Only time will tell if he is the prodigal son and Korea will take him back in. Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. Is Scarlett though? Scarlett, the only foreigner, who has destroyed Innovation in his top form. If you are referring to their recent GSL game, Inno was nowhere near top form. In fact, what are you referring to? There was only ever one person that could actually fight and win against INnoVation at his peak and that was Life at his peak. Even Soulkey only had the one miracle series. Yes, GSL, and I consider Innovation 2017 as being in his top form :-)
That is highly debatable.
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On July 23 2017 07:22 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 06:57 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:54 Alarak89 wrote:
Turns out Heromarine is the true foreigner and Zest held the pride of Korea. Zest just barely managed to avoid the irredeemable disgrace. He' already disgraced himself many times over the past months. Only time will tell if he is the prodigal son and Korea will take him back in. Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. TIME's insanely inconsistent and awful at TvZ. I'd consider him around the level of Heromarine. Heromarine has better TvZ than TIME. But in TvP dunno. Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:21 GumBa wrote:On July 23 2017 07:19 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:18 D-light wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 06:57 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:54 Alarak89 wrote:
Turns out Heromarine is the true foreigner and Zest held the pride of Korea. Zest just barely managed to avoid the irredeemable disgrace. He' already disgraced himself many times over the past months. Only time will tell if he is the prodigal son and Korea will take him back in. Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. Is Scarlett though? Scarlett, the only foreigner, who has destroyed Innovation in his top form. When was that? When she took the first map, threw another game with excellent amove into the mines and then lost to a scouted 2rax?
Exactly, she was better in everything, she has won 2-0 but instead she throwed it.
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Drogo's talent for the tilt AND the rematch curse
I'm thinking Thermy
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On July 23 2017 07:30 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:21 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:19 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:18 D-light wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 06:57 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:54 Alarak89 wrote:
Turns out Heromarine is the true foreigner and Zest held the pride of Korea. Zest just barely managed to avoid the irredeemable disgrace. He' already disgraced himself many times over the past months. Only time will tell if he is the prodigal son and Korea will take him back in. Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. Is Scarlett though? Scarlett, the only foreigner, who has destroyed Innovation in his top form. If you are referring to their recent GSL game, Inno was nowhere near top form. In fact, what are you referring to? There was only ever one person that could actually fight and win against INnoVation at his peak and that was Life at his peak. Even Soulkey only had the one miracle series. Yes, GSL, and I consider Innovation 2017 as being in his top form :-)
Well, there are a couple things I have to point out then.
1. Watch more 2013 INnoVation, that was definitely his peak
2. 2017 is a long time with a lot of games and Inno's form (like everyone else's) fluctuates between games.
3. Their games in GSL were not a peak form Inno by any means, as I have explained in my posts above. He made multiple unforced and egregious mistakes in each game.
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On July 23 2017 07:31 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:22 Ej_ wrote:On July 23 2017 07:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 06:57 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:54 Alarak89 wrote:
Turns out Heromarine is the true foreigner and Zest held the pride of Korea. Zest just barely managed to avoid the irredeemable disgrace. He' already disgraced himself many times over the past months. Only time will tell if he is the prodigal son and Korea will take him back in. Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. TIME's insanely inconsistent and awful at TvZ. I'd consider him around the level of Heromarine. Heromarine has better TvZ than TIME. But in TvP dunno. On July 23 2017 07:21 GumBa wrote:On July 23 2017 07:19 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:18 D-light wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 06:57 pvsnp wrote:
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Zest just barely managed to avoid the irredeemable disgrace. He' already disgraced himself many times over the past months. Only time will tell if he is the prodigal son and Korea will take him back in. Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. Is Scarlett though? Scarlett, the only foreigner, who has destroyed Innovation in his top form. When was that? When she took the first map, threw another game with excellent amove into the mines and then lost to a scouted 2rax? Exactly, she was better in everything, she has won 2-0 but instead she throwed it.
When you throw won games you're definitely not better at everything.
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On July 23 2017 07:32 GumBa wrote:
Shura>Inno
is shura better than scarlett though?
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On July 23 2017 07:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:is shura better than scarlett though?
I consider Shura pick Scarlett.
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On July 23 2017 07:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:is shura better than scarlett though?
Asking the real questions right here.
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On July 23 2017 07:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:is shura better than scarlett though?
Yes. But peak scarlett could maybe give Shura a good series.
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On July 23 2017 07:31 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:30 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:21 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:19 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:18 D-light wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 06:57 pvsnp wrote:
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Zest just barely managed to avoid the irredeemable disgrace. He' already disgraced himself many times over the past months. Only time will tell if he is the prodigal son and Korea will take him back in. Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. Is Scarlett though? Scarlett, the only foreigner, who has destroyed Innovation in his top form. If you are referring to their recent GSL game, Inno was nowhere near top form. In fact, what are you referring to? There was only ever one person that could actually fight and win against INnoVation at his peak and that was Life at his peak. Even Soulkey only had the one miracle series. Yes, GSL, and I consider Innovation 2017 as being in his top form :-) That is highly debatable.
OK, OK, I take it back, she practically destroyed Innovation in his standard form. Better? Still amazing!!! Such a pity, she did not win that group. But the tilt was real.
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On July 23 2017 07:34 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 23 2017 07:32 GumBa wrote:
Shura>Inno is shura better than scarlett though? Yes. But peak scarlett could maybe give Shura a good series.
In PvP?
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On July 23 2017 07:34 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:31 GumBa wrote:On July 23 2017 07:30 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:21 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:19 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:18 D-light wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
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He' already disgraced himself many times over the past months. Only time will tell if he is the prodigal son and Korea will take him back in. Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. Is Scarlett though? Scarlett, the only foreigner, who has destroyed Innovation in his top form. If you are referring to their recent GSL game, Inno was nowhere near top form. In fact, what are you referring to? There was only ever one person that could actually fight and win against INnoVation at his peak and that was Life at his peak. Even Soulkey only had the one miracle series. Yes, GSL, and I consider Innovation 2017 as being in his top form :-) That is highly debatable. OK, OK, I take it back, she practically destroyed Innovation in his standard form. Better? Still amazing!!! Such a pity, she did not win that group. But the tilt was real.
losing to a scouted 2rax is not destroying 
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On July 23 2017 07:35 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:34 GumBa wrote:On July 23 2017 07:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 23 2017 07:32 GumBa wrote:
Shura>Inno is shura better than scarlett though? Yes. But peak scarlett could maybe give Shura a good series. In PvP?
Scarlett PvZ could give a good series vs Shura but a ZvZ I would give Shura, PvP is a coinflip the edge esp if she is playing at peak form.
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On July 23 2017 07:35 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:34 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:31 GumBa wrote:On July 23 2017 07:30 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:21 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:19 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:18 D-light wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:
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Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. Is Scarlett though? Scarlett, the only foreigner, who has destroyed Innovation in his top form. If you are referring to their recent GSL game, Inno was nowhere near top form. In fact, what are you referring to? There was only ever one person that could actually fight and win against INnoVation at his peak and that was Life at his peak. Even Soulkey only had the one miracle series. Yes, GSL, and I consider Innovation 2017 as being in his top form :-) That is highly debatable. OK, OK, I take it back, she practically destroyed Innovation in his standard form. Better? Still amazing!!! Such a pity, she did not win that group. But the tilt was real. losing to a scouted 2rax is not destroying
She has won 2-0. Almost. So the unexpected loss in game 2 caused a complete breakdown. Usual at foreigners.
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On July 23 2017 07:34 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2017 07:31 GumBa wrote:On July 23 2017 07:30 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:21 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:19 Diabolique wrote:On July 23 2017 07:18 D-light wrote:On July 23 2017 07:12 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 07:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On July 23 2017 07:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 23 2017 06:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
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He' already disgraced himself many times over the past months. Only time will tell if he is the prodigal son and Korea will take him back in. Losing to a foreigner in the group stage takes the shame to a whole new level though. It isn't significantly worse than bombing out of the GSL prelims after losing to Scarlett and TIME. At least Scarlett and Time are near the top of their foreign scenes. Top foreigners can and do beat mid-tier Koreans now and then, but Heromarine is not Major/Kelazhur. Is Scarlett though? Scarlett, the only foreigner, who has destroyed Innovation in his top form. If you are referring to their recent GSL game, Inno was nowhere near top form. In fact, what are you referring to? There was only ever one person that could actually fight and win against INnoVation at his peak and that was Life at his peak. Even Soulkey only had the one miracle series. Yes, GSL, and I consider Innovation 2017 as being in his top form :-) That is highly debatable. OK, OK, I take it back, she practically destroyed Innovation in his standard form. Better? Still amazing!!! Such a pity, she did not win that group. But the tilt was real.
Scarlett threw hard, that is true. She definitely could have won if she'd played a little smarter. But I wouldn't even call that Inno's standard form, he was making mistakes all over the place. Standard form would be something like INnoVation vs soO in VSL Finals, or INnoVation vs ByuL in SSL Season 1, or even INnoVation vs Solar in SSL Season 1.
If you want to see Inno in peak 2017 form watch Dark vs INnoVation at IEM Katowice (Ro24 Group D). If you want to see actual peak Inno, watch Soulkey vs INnoVation in OSL (2013 WCS KR Season 2 Ro8)
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Peak INnoVation was in 2015 when he got his hellbat all-in scouted and defended by Rogue and then killed him 2 minutes later in a macro game by amoving marines.
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On July 23 2017 07:39 Ej_ wrote:
Peak INnoVation was in 2015 when he got his hellbat all-in scouted and defended by Rogue and then killed him 2 minutes later in a macro game by amoving marines.
This man knows.
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On July 23 2017 07:39 Ej_ wrote:
Peak INnoVation was in 2015 when he got his hellbat all-in scouted and defended by Rogue and then killed him 2 minutes later in a macro game by amoving marines.
Nah, when he beat Roro with only hellbats after losing like 40 scvs.
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