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France12759 Posts
On April 19 2017 20:03 Sakkreth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2017 20:01 pvsnp wrote: ......Did sOs make any other units besides Adepts? Oh right, one Warp Prism.
Suddenly the Adept nerf seems much more justified. Did Inno make any other units than marines? Ohh right skillow mines. And medivacs/marauders. People complaining about MM are so funny, you can tell how salty they are that both zergs and terrans hate protoss
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Austria24417 Posts
On April 19 2017 20:12 Aunvilgodess wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2017 20:07 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 20:02 Poopi wrote:On April 19 2017 19:59 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 19:55 pvsnp wrote:sOs is still the most terrible Korean protoss among pro ones, impressive! Too bad he isn't in MajOr or Scarlett group He's still more than good enough to beat Losira/Impact. He'll get out of this group just fine. Highest skill era. Welp sOs won 2 blizzcon so we can see how much more skilled hots era was /s sOs is nowhere near as good as he used to be, as are a lot of other players. You mean Protoss is worse at cheeses and all-ins.
I'd say protoss has perhaps a third of its strategical depth in LotV.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36923 Posts
Wait... Did the adept nerf already go through?
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On April 19 2017 20:12 pvsnp wrote:??? Would you expect a Zerg to make 0 lings?
Would you expect protoss to make 0 adepts?
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On April 19 2017 20:13 Seeker wrote: Wait... Did the adept nerf already go through?
Yeah.
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Would you expect protoss to make 0 adepts?
Of course not, but I do expect them to make something else that can shoot too. Anything else.
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On April 19 2017 20:14 pvsnp wrote:Of course not, but I do expect them to make something else that can shoot too. Anything else
Why would they?
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Austria24417 Posts
On April 19 2017 20:14 pvsnp wrote:Of course not, but I do expect them to make something else that can shoot too. Anything else.
Make robo viable again then.
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On April 19 2017 20:13 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2017 20:12 Aunvilgodess wrote:On April 19 2017 20:07 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 20:02 Poopi wrote:On April 19 2017 19:59 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 19:55 pvsnp wrote:sOs is still the most terrible Korean protoss among pro ones, impressive! Too bad he isn't in MajOr or Scarlett group He's still more than good enough to beat Losira/Impact. He'll get out of this group just fine. Highest skill era. Welp sOs won 2 blizzcon so we can see how much more skilled hots era was /s sOs is nowhere near as good as he used to be, as are a lot of other players. You mean Protoss is worse at cheeses and all-ins. I'd say protoss has perhaps a third of its strategical depth in LotV.
"strategical depth".
People read so much into those games that isn't there. Like when casters are super amazed when somebody flips a coin and go like OMG HE KNEW IT!
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Why would they?
My point exactly, It's why watching was so disgusting.
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Make robo viable again then.
Phoenixes would qualify as "anything else." It's not a high bar.
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I'm just here to see Olli nerd rage.
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France12759 Posts
On April 19 2017 20:15 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2017 20:14 pvsnp wrote:Would you expect protoss to make 0 adepts?
Of course not, but I do expect them to make something else that can shoot too. Anything else. Make robo viable again then. Any protoss composition is viable tbh. At best it's not optimal, but never shit bad.
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Austria24417 Posts
On April 19 2017 20:15 Aunvilgodess wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2017 20:13 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 20:12 Aunvilgodess wrote:On April 19 2017 20:07 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 20:02 Poopi wrote:On April 19 2017 19:59 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 19:55 pvsnp wrote:sOs is still the most terrible Korean protoss among pro ones, impressive! Too bad he isn't in MajOr or Scarlett group He's still more than good enough to beat Losira/Impact. He'll get out of this group just fine. Highest skill era. Welp sOs won 2 blizzcon so we can see how much more skilled hots era was /s sOs is nowhere near as good as he used to be, as are a lot of other players. You mean Protoss is worse at cheeses and all-ins. I'd say protoss has perhaps a third of its strategical depth in LotV. "strategical depth". People read so much into those games that isn't there. Like when casters are super amazed when somebody flips a coin and go like OMG HE KNEW IT!
I've played protoss for 7 years. There was simply more to do in WoL and HotS. Now you're pigeonholed into a few standard builds because chronoboost sucks, offensive warpin sucks, overcharge is even more gimmicky now and new units cut into what you can do incredibly hard..
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On April 19 2017 20:14 pvsnp wrote:Of course not, but I do expect them to make something else that can shoot too. Anything else
I don't understand what was your problem with that still. Why is SoS not allowed to make core unit and rely on it, because everything else is trash, especially while it has outplaying potential, which happened that game. He outplayed inno there and got the win, what is your problem? Only terrans allowed to be skilled or what?
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Austria24417 Posts
On April 19 2017 20:16 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2017 20:15 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 20:14 pvsnp wrote:Would you expect protoss to make 0 adepts?
Of course not, but I do expect them to make something else that can shoot too. Anything else. Make robo viable again then. Any protoss composition is viable tbh. At best it's not optimal, but never shit bad.
That's like saying mech is viable in TvP. At best it's not optimal, right? You know exactly what I meant. Robo gets countered way too hard by tank pushes, and the adept nerf actually makes that even worse. Robo is plain bad.
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Balance issues completely aside (there was a nerf after all), watching only one unit massed to win is just kinda sickening. Not like the game was some super-low-eco insane micro victory either. I mean sOs did a good job, but watching it happen was just bleah.
When was the last time only lings or only marines won a non-cheese game?
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On April 19 2017 20:17 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2017 20:15 Aunvilgodess wrote:On April 19 2017 20:13 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 20:12 Aunvilgodess wrote:On April 19 2017 20:07 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 20:02 Poopi wrote:On April 19 2017 19:59 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 19:55 pvsnp wrote:sOs is still the most terrible Korean protoss among pro ones, impressive! Too bad he isn't in MajOr or Scarlett group He's still more than good enough to beat Losira/Impact. He'll get out of this group just fine. Highest skill era. Welp sOs won 2 blizzcon so we can see how much more skilled hots era was /s sOs is nowhere near as good as he used to be, as are a lot of other players. You mean Protoss is worse at cheeses and all-ins. I'd say protoss has perhaps a third of its strategical depth in LotV. "strategical depth". People read so much into those games that isn't there. Like when casters are super amazed when somebody flips a coin and go like OMG HE KNEW IT! chronoboost sucks meanwhile here I am, behind in workers every ZvP
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On April 19 2017 20:15 Aunvilgodess wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2017 20:13 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 20:12 Aunvilgodess wrote:On April 19 2017 20:07 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 20:02 Poopi wrote:On April 19 2017 19:59 Olli wrote:On April 19 2017 19:55 pvsnp wrote:sOs is still the most terrible Korean protoss among pro ones, impressive! Too bad he isn't in MajOr or Scarlett group He's still more than good enough to beat Losira/Impact. He'll get out of this group just fine. Highest skill era. Welp sOs won 2 blizzcon so we can see how much more skilled hots era was /s sOs is nowhere near as good as he used to be, as are a lot of other players. You mean Protoss is worse at cheeses and all-ins. I'd say protoss has perhaps a third of its strategical depth in LotV. "strategical depth". People read so much into those games that isn't there. Like when casters are super amazed when somebody flips a coin and go like OMG HE KNEW IT! Having more viable openings makes the game more complex, that's completely objective. And it makes it complex in a way that is both possible and neccessary to understand for a player, adding strategic depth.
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Austria24417 Posts
On April 19 2017 20:19 pvsnp wrote: Balance issues completely aside (there was a nerf after all), watching only one unit massed to win is just kinda sickening. Not like the game was some super-low-eco insane micro victory either. I mean sOs did a good job, but watching it happen was just bleah.
When was the last time only marines or only lings won a non-cheese game?
I think we can all agree that mass adept is horrible to watch. But you can't fault players for it when nothing else works.
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