On January 16 2017 00:44 IntoTheheart wrote: Although I think part of the weirdness of the KR scene is that a lot of them still need to do army service, and there hasn't been a rookie draft in a while so we're not getting new kids on the block as much as we used to.
Hmm.. the dwindling talent pool is definitely a concern. But maybe a more liberal free-market scene will allow rookies to rise? Byun's success could be an inspiration to them. And the post-KeSPA BW scene does have some new faces. Of course, the scene is definitely going to be down-sized without chaebol money. But it will live on for now!
On January 16 2017 00:23 Charoisaur wrote: Just caught up watching Neeb vs TY. what was Neeb doing on the last map? he gg'ed out while he was down only 5 army supply and they had the same amount of workers. full Idra?
My best guess is that he thought the damage he was about to take in his natural (double drop) and his 3rd (not sure if it was a drop or a runby with bio but you can see it moving in on the mini map and the moment the attack begins Neeb ggs) plus the fact that his only robo was unpowered for such a long time would be irrecoverable.
yeah but it's still weird to gg out so early without even trying in an elimination game of a 200k tournament. some players did comebacks from way worse positions.
You never really know what was running through his head, to be fair. He's down 0-2 and that might make players look at the game differently. Bear in mind that we know he was down 5 army supply and had the same amount of workers, but there's not much telling what he thought the situation was gonna be like.
if it was game 1 or game 2 I could understand but in the last game of a series you usually fight until there's absolutely zero chance you can still win.
Depends on the player still. Fantasy wouldn't leave a game until his final building starts to burn even in game 1 of a series. I'd say this one was definitely a bit early and not a sign of a great mindset, but I can also kind of understand it.
On January 16 2017 00:49 loko822 wrote: You think these guys are allowed to make deals before matches dividing prize money differently for example 175k-125k? Overall as cool as 200k sound Im not a fan of the steep prize pool distribution and I doubt it influences viewer numbers, but maybe theres some other advantage Im not seeing.
Be glad they didn't go full IEM Katowice, otherwise we'd have TY walking out with 400k and everyone else with 0
On January 16 2017 00:44 IntoTheheart wrote: Although I think part of the weirdness of the KR scene is that a lot of them still need to do army service, and there hasn't been a rookie draft in a while so we're not getting new kids on the block as much as we used to.
Hmm.. the dwindling talent pool is definitely a concern. But maybe a more liberal free-market scene will allow rookies to rise? Byun's success could be an inspiration to them. And the post-KeSPA BW scene does have some new faces. Of course, the scene is definitely going to be down-sized without chaebol money. But it will live on for now!
On January 16 2017 00:44 IntoTheheart wrote: Although I think part of the weirdness of the KR scene is that a lot of them still need to do army service, and there hasn't been a rookie draft in a while so we're not getting new kids on the block as much as we used to.
Hmm.. the dwindling talent pool is definitely a concern. But maybe a more liberal free-market scene will allow rookies to rise? Byun's success could be an inspiration to them. And the post-KeSPA BW scene does have some new faces. Of course, the scene is definitely going to be down-sized without chaebol money. But it will live on for now!
There are no rookies as far as I know.
I can't say I'm too surprised to hear this, given how few "new" names I've seen pop up in recent memory. Although I don't follow the KR scene very heavily - there very well could've been quite a lot of qualifier grinding beasts that never made it to the GSL but I never would've heard of them to be fair.
On January 16 2017 00:23 Charoisaur wrote: Just caught up watching Neeb vs TY. what was Neeb doing on the last map? he gg'ed out while he was down only 5 army supply and they had the same amount of workers. full Idra?
My best guess is that he thought the damage he was about to take in his natural (double drop) and his 3rd (not sure if it was a drop or a runby with bio but you can see it moving in on the mini map and the moment the attack begins Neeb ggs) plus the fact that his only robo was unpowered for such a long time would be irrecoverable.
yeah but it's still weird to gg out so early without even trying in an elimination game of a 200k tournament. some players did comebacks from way worse positions.
You never really know what was running through his head, to be fair. He's down 0-2 and that might make players look at the game differently. Bear in mind that we know he was down 5 army supply and had the same amount of workers, but there's not much telling what he thought the situation was gonna be like.
if it was game 1 or game 2 I could understand but in the last game of a series you usually fight until there's absolutely zero chance you can still win.
Depends on the player still. Fantasy wouldn't leave a game until his final building starts to burn even in game 1 of a series. I'd say this one was definitely a bit early and not a sign of a great mindset, but I can also kind of understand it.
On January 16 2017 00:49 loko822 wrote: You think these guys are allowed to make deals before matches dividing prize money differently for example 175k-125k? Overall as cool as 200k sound Im not a fan of the steep prize pool distribution and I doubt it influences viewer numbers, but maybe theres some other advantage Im not seeing.
Be glad they didn't go full IEM Katowice, otherwise we'd have TY walking out with 400k and everyone else with 0
He'd have won every game of in-base proxies as well
On January 16 2017 00:44 IntoTheheart wrote: Although I think part of the weirdness of the KR scene is that a lot of them still need to do army service, and there hasn't been a rookie draft in a while so we're not getting new kids on the block as much as we used to.
Hmm.. the dwindling talent pool is definitely a concern. But maybe a more liberal free-market scene will allow rookies to rise? Byun's success could be an inspiration to them. And the post-KeSPA BW scene does have some new faces. Of course, the scene is definitely going to be down-sized without chaebol money. But it will live on for now!
On January 15 2017 23:45 RKC wrote: Wow seems like a Korean stomp just like the old days of BW WCG.
What happened to the foreigners? Were the games really total stomps?
They were pretty outmatched in the bracket stage. It wasn't complete and total devastation like it would have been a few years ago but it wasn't close either.
That's quite a surprise, given the narrowing gap in 2016 (e.g. Neeb winning KeSPA Cup). I haven't been following the game since Blizzcon. And a quick browse around the LRs indicates that Inno is back to top gear. Did the meta change? What a difference a few months make!
Yea, the meta/balance has a lot to do with it, as always. PvT winrate is 40-60 according to aligulac. By which I'm not trying to say Maru and TY weren't favorites regardless, but in a favourable meta small skill disparities only become larger.
On January 15 2017 23:45 RKC wrote: Wow seems like a Korean stomp just like the old days of BW WCG.
What happened to the foreigners? Were the games really total stomps?
They were pretty outmatched in the bracket stage. It wasn't complete and total devastation like it would have been a few years ago but it wasn't close either.
That's quite a surprise, given the narrowing gap in 2016 (e.g. Neeb winning KeSPA Cup). I haven't been following the game since Blizzcon. And a quick browse around the LRs indicates that Inno is back to top gear. Did the meta change? What a difference a few months make!
Yea, the meta/balance has a lot to do with it, as always. PvT winrate is 40-60 according to aligulac. By which I'm not trying to say Maru and TY weren't favorites regardless, but in a favourable meta small skill disparities only become larger.
At least TY financial situation is set for a couple of years now, so he's unlikely to retire.
Edit: this was meant as an edit on my previous post. oh well.
On January 15 2017 23:45 RKC wrote: Wow seems like a Korean stomp just like the old days of BW WCG.
What happened to the foreigners? Were the games really total stomps?
They were pretty outmatched in the bracket stage. It wasn't complete and total devastation like it would have been a few years ago but it wasn't close either.
That's quite a surprise, given the narrowing gap in 2016 (e.g. Neeb winning KeSPA Cup). I haven't been following the game since Blizzcon. And a quick browse around the LRs indicates that Inno is back to top gear. Did the meta change? What a difference a few months make!
Yea, the meta/balance has a lot to do with it, as always. PvT winrate is 40-60 according to aligulac. By which I'm not trying to say Maru and TY weren't favorites regardless, but in a favourable meta small skill disparities only become larger.
Scarlett and Nerchio looked just as hopeless vs Maru and tvz seems pretty balanced atm.
On January 15 2017 23:45 RKC wrote: Wow seems like a Korean stomp just like the old days of BW WCG.
What happened to the foreigners? Were the games really total stomps?
They were pretty outmatched in the bracket stage. It wasn't complete and total devastation like it would have been a few years ago but it wasn't close either.
That's quite a surprise, given the narrowing gap in 2016 (e.g. Neeb winning KeSPA Cup). I haven't been following the game since Blizzcon. And a quick browse around the LRs indicates that Inno is back to top gear. Did the meta change? What a difference a few months make!
Yea, the meta/balance has a lot to do with it, as always. PvT winrate is 40-60 according to aligulac. By which I'm not trying to say Maru and TY weren't favorites regardless, but in a favourable meta small skill disparities only become larger.
Scarlett and Nerchio looked just as hopeless vs Maru and tvz seems pretty balanced atm.
Rumor says Scarlett would have won some maps but she was on tilt.
On January 15 2017 23:45 RKC wrote: Wow seems like a Korean stomp just like the old days of BW WCG.
What happened to the foreigners? Were the games really total stomps?
They were pretty outmatched in the bracket stage. It wasn't complete and total devastation like it would have been a few years ago but it wasn't close either.
That's quite a surprise, given the narrowing gap in 2016 (e.g. Neeb winning KeSPA Cup). I haven't been following the game since Blizzcon. And a quick browse around the LRs indicates that Inno is back to top gear. Did the meta change? What a difference a few months make!
Yea, the meta/balance has a lot to do with it, as always. PvT winrate is 40-60 according to aligulac. By which I'm not trying to say Maru and TY weren't favorites regardless, but in a favourable meta small skill disparities only become larger.
Scarlett and Nerchio looked just as hopeless vs Maru and tvz seems pretty balanced atm.
Rumor says Scarlett would have won some maps but she was on tilt.
she should have done better with the ravager rush she tried but was outclassed on the other 2 maps
reddit when Maru and TY beat every foreign zerg/terran > "----------------------------------------------------" reddit when Maru and TY beat protoss > "game so broken this is bullshit blizz fucked us up"
On January 15 2017 23:45 RKC wrote: Wow seems like a Korean stomp just like the old days of BW WCG.
What happened to the foreigners? Were the games really total stomps?
They were pretty outmatched in the bracket stage. It wasn't complete and total devastation like it would have been a few years ago but it wasn't close either.
That's quite a surprise, given the narrowing gap in 2016 (e.g. Neeb winning KeSPA Cup). I haven't been following the game since Blizzcon. And a quick browse around the LRs indicates that Inno is back to top gear. Did the meta change? What a difference a few months make!
Yea, the meta/balance has a lot to do with it, as always. PvT winrate is 40-60 according to aligulac. By which I'm not trying to say Maru and TY weren't favorites regardless, but in a favourable meta small skill disparities only become larger.
Scarlett and Nerchio looked just as hopeless vs Maru and tvz seems pretty balanced atm.
TvZ is still terran favoured just not as much. But Scarlett lost because she played badly that set. I didn't see Nerchio so I don't know. Anyway, Maru and TY have been top 5 Terran, if not outright top 5 for just about their whole careers, couple that with a favourable meta and of course they're going to stomp everyone who is a tier below their level, which is 99% of the progamer field. Maru stomped his GSL group too, and that held only Koreans, same of Innovation another top 5 Terran in a favourable meta. But, no it must be foreigners unable to close the gap, despite numerable instances proving otherwise.
On January 15 2017 23:45 RKC wrote: Wow seems like a Korean stomp just like the old days of BW WCG.
What happened to the foreigners? Were the games really total stomps?
They were pretty outmatched in the bracket stage. It wasn't complete and total devastation like it would have been a few years ago but it wasn't close either.
That's quite a surprise, given the narrowing gap in 2016 (e.g. Neeb winning KeSPA Cup). I haven't been following the game since Blizzcon. And a quick browse around the LRs indicates that Inno is back to top gear. Did the meta change? What a difference a few months make!
Yea, the meta/balance has a lot to do with it, as always. PvT winrate is 40-60 according to aligulac. By which I'm not trying to say Maru and TY weren't favorites regardless, but in a favourable meta small skill disparities only become larger.
Scarlett and Nerchio looked just as hopeless vs Maru and tvz seems pretty balanced atm.
TvZ is still terran favoured just not as much. But Scarlett lost because she played badly that set. I didn't see Nerchio so I don't know. Anyway, Maru and TY have been top 5 Terran, if not outright top 5 for just about their whole careers, couple that with a favourable meta and of course they're going to stomp everyone who is a tier below their level, which is 99% of the progamer field. Maru stomped his GSL group too, and that held only Koreans, same of Innovation another top 5 Terran in a favourable meta. But, no it must be foreigners unable to close the gap, despite numerable instances proving otherwise.
Or the instances where you thought foreigners were closing the gap were due to imbalance as well as mirror matchup variance?
On January 15 2017 23:45 RKC wrote: Wow seems like a Korean stomp just like the old days of BW WCG.
What happened to the foreigners? Were the games really total stomps?
They were pretty outmatched in the bracket stage. It wasn't complete and total devastation like it would have been a few years ago but it wasn't close either.
That's quite a surprise, given the narrowing gap in 2016 (e.g. Neeb winning KeSPA Cup). I haven't been following the game since Blizzcon. And a quick browse around the LRs indicates that Inno is back to top gear. Did the meta change? What a difference a few months make!
Yea, the meta/balance has a lot to do with it, as always. PvT winrate is 40-60 according to aligulac. By which I'm not trying to say Maru and TY weren't favorites regardless, but in a favourable meta small skill disparities only become larger.
Scarlett and Nerchio looked just as hopeless vs Maru and tvz seems pretty balanced atm.
TvZ is still terran favoured just not as much. But Scarlett lost because she played badly that set. I didn't see Nerchio so I don't know. Anyway, Maru and TY have been top 5 Terran, if not outright top 5 for just about their whole careers, couple that with a favourable meta and of course they're going to stomp everyone who is a tier below their level, which is 99% of the progamer field. Maru stomped his GSL group too, and that held only Koreans, same of Innovation another top 5 Terran in a favourable meta. But, no it must be foreigners unable to close the gap, despite numerable instances proving otherwise.
and what was your excuse for HSC where mostly korean protoss dominated foreigners. was protoss OP at that time? also according to aligulac (which you cited to prove pvt is imbalanced) tvz isn't terran favored right now.
EPT
