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On January 14 2017 22:52 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:32 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru. Did he say why? He said ShowTime created the current PvT meta and every other pro has been copying his style.
Defending on three bases into collosus and then disruptors is creating the meta? I thought thats just how protoss works haha
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South Korea2105 Posts
Maru knows how to deal with colossi and im pretty sure he wont let showtime amass them before disruptors come into play
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On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year
Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well.
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On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well.
Yeah nerchio had no choice but to tank 8 storms with 6 broodlords
It's understandable though because Nerchio though the had a timing before tempests were out so he had to attack, but he wasn't aware of the number of storms. But it was still the worst possible engagement, the BLs shouldn't be unprotected at the front like that, and the hydras did nothing at all they were move-commanding for most of the fight
"a maxed out protoss is always ahead" not really, he had no AA other than storms, and the broodlords shouldn't have been in that position where they could all die like that
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France12904 Posts
On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race
ShoWTimE should never win a bo5 against the likes of Maru anyways but it's another story  .
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when are the semis/finals?
I cant find it on the calendar...
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On January 15 2017 00:30 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well. https://clips.twitch.tv/starladder_sc2_en/BreakableOysterUncleNoxYeah nerchio had no choice but to tank 8 storms with 6 broodlords It's understandable though because Nerchio though the had a timing before tempests were out so he had to attack, but he wasn't aware of the number of storms. But it was still the worst possible engagement, the BLs shouldn't be unprotected at the front like that, and the hydras did nothing at all they were move-commanding for most of the fight "a maxed out protoss is always ahead" not really, he had no AA other than storms, and the broodlords shouldn't have been in that position where they could all die like that
There is no good position to attack on Daybreak and he had to attack. Hydras obviously won't do anything in any fight because storm zones them out.
how many other AA does protoss need other than storm and archons? And yes, a maxed out protoss with storm is always ahead.
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On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well.
Yeah. He definitely didn't throw the game by losing his entire army to storms. He definitely couldn't have positioned his lurkers, hydras, broodlords in a way that was spread out. His only choice was definitely to clump up his entire army so that storms can hit everything at once. After all, a maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what.
Since a maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what, I don't understand why more protoss are not using this magic strategy.
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On January 15 2017 01:11 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:30 Fango wrote:On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well. https://clips.twitch.tv/starladder_sc2_en/BreakableOysterUncleNoxYeah nerchio had no choice but to tank 8 storms with 6 broodlords It's understandable though because Nerchio though the had a timing before tempests were out so he had to attack, but he wasn't aware of the number of storms. But it was still the worst possible engagement, the BLs shouldn't be unprotected at the front like that, and the hydras did nothing at all they were move-commanding for most of the fight "a maxed out protoss is always ahead" not really, he had no AA other than storms, and the broodlords shouldn't have been in that position where they could all die like that There is no good position to attack on Daybreak and he had to attack. Hydras obviously won't do anything in any fight because storm zones them out. how many other AA does protoss need other than storm and archons? And yes, a maxed out protoss with storm is always ahead.
8 storms, 2 archons and 3 stalkers without blink don't beat 6 broodlords if you split them or micro them back.
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On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race
60% damn... At least I'm not the only having trouble in PvT 
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On January 15 2017 00:32 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race ShoWTimE should never win a bo5 against the likes of Maru anyways but it's another story .
What makes you underetimating Showtime?
He is the only guy who beat Byun in Blizzcon, and did it with a clean 2-0 in a bo3.
Byun gave him credit after that series, so why doesn't Showtime has a chance against Maru?
If there is a reason for Mary being the favorite is because TvP at the moment isn't that bakanced.
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On January 15 2017 01:11 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:30 Fango wrote:On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well. https://clips.twitch.tv/starladder_sc2_en/BreakableOysterUncleNoxYeah nerchio had no choice but to tank 8 storms with 6 broodlords It's understandable though because Nerchio though the had a timing before tempests were out so he had to attack, but he wasn't aware of the number of storms. But it was still the worst possible engagement, the BLs shouldn't be unprotected at the front like that, and the hydras did nothing at all they were move-commanding for most of the fight "a maxed out protoss is always ahead" not really, he had no AA other than storms, and the broodlords shouldn't have been in that position where they could all die like that There is no good position to attack on Daybreak and he had to attack. Hydras obviously won't do anything in any fight because storm zones them out. how many other AA does protoss need other than storm and archons? And yes, a maxed out protoss with storm is always ahead.
Any position that isn't walking through a choke while its litterally being stormed is a good one.
You know he had 2 archons and a couple stalkers right? That isn't beating 6 broodlords. He had his BLs out of position and they got stormed at least 3 times each, then he couldn't get his hyrdas into the fight because he had left them behind and they were zoned out. Oh and he then move-commanded them through as many storms as possible which didn't help.
lesson to learn: don't leave the broodords above a choke without an army supporting them. and don't let an entire ground army bunch up and die to storms
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On January 15 2017 02:26 bulya wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:32 Poopi wrote:On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race ShoWTimE should never win a bo5 against the likes of Maru anyways but it's another story . What makes you underetimating Showtime? He is the only guy who beat Byun in Blizzcon, and did it with a clean 2-0 in a bo3. Byun gave him credit after that series, so why doesn't Showtime has a chance against Maru? If there is a reason for Mary being the favorite is because TvP at the moment isn't that bakanced.
No the reason is because Maru is looking on fire (21 game winstreak), and if he's in good form then he's favored against almost any protoss. Plus Maru's TvP is much better than TYs, and TY won pretty solidly.
The only reason I have to say Showtime has a chance is his series vs ByuN at blizzcon, and even then ByuN played badly (by his standards). For him to win, Maru must overcommit to drops like Byun (and TY did in that Echo game) and Showtime must defend amazingly, otherwise Maru will dominate.
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France12904 Posts
On January 15 2017 02:26 bulya wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:32 Poopi wrote:On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race ShoWTimE should never win a bo5 against the likes of Maru anyways but it's another story . What makes you underetimating Showtime? He is the only guy who beat Byun in Blizzcon, and did it with a clean 2-0 in a bo3. Byun gave him credit after that series, so why doesn't Showtime has a chance against Maru? If there is a reason for Mary being the favorite is because TvP at the moment isn't that bakanced.
He has a chance but he is far less good than Maru, but the game design makes such upsets more probable than ever altho foreigners improved a bit.
I don't underestimate him because I'm pretty sure an upset is gonna happen, unfortunately.
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juicyjames
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On January 15 2017 03:21 Fango wrote:
Plus Maru's TvP is much better than TYs, and TY won pretty solidly.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Their approach to the game is so different that it becomes hard to tell who's better. They'll do differently well against every Protoss player. Someone who could be a big hurdle for TY could be easy pickings for Maru and vice versa.
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On January 15 2017 04:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 03:21 Fango wrote:
Plus Maru's TvP is much better than TYs, and TY won pretty solidly.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Their approach to the game is so different that it becomes hard to tell who's better. They'll do differently well against every Protoss player. Someone who could be a big hurdle for TY could be easy pickings for Maru and vice versa.
That is true, but I'd still put Maru's TvP as a bigger challenge than TY's right now.
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juicyjames
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