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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: ShowTime vs ElazerShowTime Wins (18) 60% Elazer Wins (12) 40% 30 total votes Your vote: ShowTime vs Elazer (Vote): ShowTime Wins
(Vote): Elazer Wins
Poll: Scarlett vs JimScarlett Wins (25) 86% Jim Wins (4) 14% 29 total votes Your vote: Scarlett vs Jim (Vote): Scarlett Wins
(Vote): Jim Wins
Poll: Nerchio vs NamsharNerchio Wins (28) 90% Namshar Wins (3) 10% 31 total votes Your vote: Nerchio vs Namshar (Vote): Nerchio Wins
(Vote): Namshar Wins
Poll: Stephano vs MarinelordMarinelord Wins (19) 63% Stephano Wins (11) 37% 30 total votes Your vote: Stephano vs Marinelord (Vote): Stephano Wins
(Vote): Marinelord Wins
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Huh, the round of 8 looks like it's gonna actually be pretty intersting, especially Maru vs Scarlett
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On January 14 2017 03:48 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Huh, the round of 8 looks like it's gonna actually be pretty intersting, especially Maru vs Scarlett
I can't imagine scarlett having much of a chance but will be good anyway
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Scarlet vs TY finals incoming!
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China6327 Posts
We might be only streaming two of the ro 12 matches due to how the main stage works.
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On January 14 2017 04:01 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 03:48 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Huh, the round of 8 looks like it's gonna actually be pretty intersting, especially Maru vs Scarlett I can't imagine scarlett having much of a chance but will be good anyway
If Scarlet plays Maru (which will most likely happen), I think it's 80-20 for Maru.
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United States97276 Posts
Stephano vs MLord hype match of the day
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I hope XY makes it to the semis. It would be fantastic for chinese starcraft.
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China6327 Posts
On January 14 2017 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
Stephano vs MLord hype match of the day
Was told it is not streamed, sorry 
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United States97276 Posts
On January 14 2017 11:42 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
Stephano vs MLord hype match of the day Was told it is not streamed, sorry
RIP
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On January 14 2017 11:42 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
Stephano vs MLord hype match of the day Was told it is not streamed, sorry
There will be riots in France tonight
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HERE WE GO!!!
When are streams going up?
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On January 14 2017 11:42 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 10:27 Shellshock wrote:
Stephano vs MLord hype match of the day Was told it is not streamed, sorry
No B Stream?
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Austria24417 Posts
Yeah, only one stream unfortunately
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Billowy stopped something like this iirc
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United States97276 Posts
so neeb has better early game defense than Jim
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Showtime vs Elazer, Blizzcon Round of 8 rematch inc
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United States97276 Posts
this series is hard to watch. total beat down
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On January 14 2017 12:30 Shellshock wrote:
this series is hard to watch. total beat down
basically
nerchio
scarlett
both series should be a total beatdown. Marinelord should beat Stephano handily but cannot underestimate or count out Stephano ever. Elazer vs ShoWTimE will be interesting. Can be Elazer owning again, but could be ShoWTimE recovering from his past results! O_O
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your Country52797 Posts
Well, this doesn't look good.
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lol @ scarlett winning this anyways
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your Country52797 Posts
Well gee, thanks for making my last comment look silly, Scarlett.
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Jim really likes Artosis Pylons.
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United States97276 Posts
lol at least they made game 3 interesting
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I assume this match was cast because this is a Chinese tournament and Jim is Chinese. We all knew this was probably how this series was going to go.
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On January 14 2017 12:39 The_Templar wrote:
Well gee, thanks for making my last comment look silly, Scarlett.
it didn't look good... for Jim
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With how fast that was we could probably fit the other 2 series on stream
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On January 14 2017 12:42 Soke wrote:
Nerchio also 3-0'd.
ok wiki was updated
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United States97276 Posts
On January 14 2017 12:46 nitram wrote:Not streamed?
nope
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Austria24417 Posts
I went to dinner with players last night and was at a table with Harstem, Elazer and Showtime. They were "taunting" Elazer with carriers, DT builds and Showtime's absurdly high MMR across three accounts. Showtime seems very very confident in his PvZ.
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your Country52797 Posts
On January 14 2017 12:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 12:39 The_Templar wrote:
Well gee, thanks for making my last comment look silly, Scarlett. it didn't look good... for Jim
Well, that was a given.
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Austria24417 Posts
On January 14 2017 12:45 Solar424 wrote:
With how fast that was we could probably fit the other 2 series on stream
They may, depending on how fast Elazer vs Showtime is
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United States97276 Posts
more one sided than scarlett vs jim
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your Country52797 Posts
Man, Elazer is getting destroyed.
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Elazer getting outplayed pretty badly
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your Country52797 Posts
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should have been major xD
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China6327 Posts
Streaming status of stephano vs mlord will be a last minute decision.
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Showtime just played 10x better.
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United States97276 Posts
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This is why you don't make Swarm Hosts, your army just dies because you sank 20-30 supply in units that can't attack.
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Elazer such a disappointment
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China6327 Posts
Yes we are streaming stephano vs mlord.
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On January 14 2017 13:18 digmouse wrote:
Yes we are streaming stephano vs mlord.
whooo
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Now the question is, are all ro12 matches gonna be 3-0s?
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would've loved to see Major vs Showtime, shame
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United States97276 Posts
On January 14 2017 13:18 digmouse wrote:
Yes we are streaming stephano vs mlord.
hooray!
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Nooo, thought ShoWTimE-Elazer was supposed to start now
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Austria24417 Posts
On January 14 2017 13:17 Solar424 wrote:
This is why you don't make Swarm Hosts, your army just dies because you sank 20-30 supply in units that can't attack.
Actually should have attacked at some point. Showtime forgot blink I think.
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On January 14 2017 13:17 Solar424 wrote:
This is why you don't make Swarm Hosts, your army just dies because you sank 20-30 supply in units that can't attack.
It's not that bad, and with their current cost it's really not a huge resource sink at all (the supply cost is still there but I don't consider SHs dead weight even when attacking).
On a random note, when i played Vibe, he literally just massed swarm hosts and queens and he had so many SHs that he could spawn locusts on half of them each time and it'd still be too threatening to engage into. And because they had alternate cool downs, there was no way to catch the swarm hosts when they were off cool down (he had soooo many, they're so cheap now). Maybe that's a complete troll strategy but it was surprisingly strong.
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United States97276 Posts
I switched over to watching Inno vs Losira after the early game but this seems like a much better match
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Nerchio Stephano is changing the perception of foreigners.
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Old France vs New France (OW player)
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gonna be such a huge 2-2 window here for stephano
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United States97276 Posts
kind of funny that he is still scanning for creep tumors when he has 2 ravens in his army
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That was very not cost effective.
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United States97276 Posts
I would have just left if I lost all my ghosts like that
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a couple mistakes but for the most part fantastic play from stephano
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This game is pretty sick.
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China6327 Posts
Maru vs Scarlett will start soon, so both stages will have games being streamed.
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United States97276 Posts
Stephano can smell the money so he's entering that next level
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China6327 Posts
Update: English stream will continue showing stephano vs mlord then switch to maru vs Scarlett.
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stephano smells the money
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United States97276 Posts
lol the 3-0 we all predicted
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Wow
Every match in ro12 is a 3-0 stomp.
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now imagine if Ilyes beat TY 
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On January 14 2017 14:13 digmouse wrote:
Update: English stream will continue showing stephano vs mlord then switch to maru vs Scarlett.
Don't worry. MarineLorD will die before the other match starts.
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United States97276 Posts
Tunisia > France in sc2 confirmed
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ravagers are a good unit, lots of micro potential in the right hands.
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I always find it funny when Terrans drop Mules when they are about to lose. It's like they're manner Muling themselves.
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MarineLorD's micro was terrible.
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That ends MarineLorD's career by the way.
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On January 14 2017 14:16 bashscript wrote:
MarineLorD's micro was terrible.
I heard his DVa is pretty good though
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On January 14 2017 14:16 bashscript wrote:
MarineLord's micro was terrible.
That's what happens when foreigners try to play terran.
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What are those Restman shirts ? Is that a sponsor ?
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Maru is going to shrek Scarlett.
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On January 14 2017 14:17 Boucot wrote:That ends MarineLorD's career by the way.
oddly fitting
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Damn, that's a big stage.
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Maru will be 13-0 against foreignerland.
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On January 14 2017 14:18 Boucot wrote:
What are those Restman shirts ? Is that a sponsor ?
yes, a sponsor. you can check it out here: http://www.restman.cn/
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United States97276 Posts
On January 14 2017 14:27 usopsama wrote:
Maru will be 13-0 against foreignerland.
I won't be impressed until he 11-0s Leenock though
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China6327 Posts
On January 14 2017 14:18 Boucot wrote:
What are those Restman shirts ? Is that a sponsor ?
Yes lol they supply uniforms for all the staff, volunteers and players without a team uniform.
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WOW. I want to get the Rox Tiger jacket.
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On January 14 2017 14:29 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 14:18 Boucot wrote:
What are those Restman shirts ? Is that a sponsor ? Yes lol they supply uniforms for all the staff, volunteers and players without a team uniform.
Alright !
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United States97276 Posts
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I'm not sure if Scarlett messed up or Maru is just too good.
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Losing 3 ravagers to SCVs is kind of embarrassing.
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United States97276 Posts
On January 14 2017 14:36 geokilla wrote:
I'm not sure if Scarlett messed up or Maru is just too good.
definitely the former
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Wow that was insanely sloppy by Scarlett.
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Those two roaches being left behind and the ravager mismicro :/
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yeah i'm glad i didn't catch all of that
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United States97276 Posts
5/5 on brutal one sided series?
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Sigh. The play-offs have been rather underwhelming so far.
Shouldn't have hyped myself up for this series in particular. We all know Maru and TY are leagues above the rest.
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Classic Terran "all-in" with more workers than the Zerg that kills you without even trying. She didn't scout it but it probably wouldn't even matter, this build is just too good.
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Scarlett looks really tilted right now.
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I have not seen her get crushed this hard in a very long time. Just sad to see
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United States97276 Posts
will Scarlett try to play a macro game in g3 or just all in and get it over with?
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On January 14 2017 14:45 Solar424 wrote:
Classic Terran "all-in" with more workers than the Zerg that kills you without even trying. She didn't scout it but it probably wouldn't even matter, this build is just too good.
That wasn't an all-in. Even if his push was stopped, he wouldn't be dead.
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On January 14 2017 14:49 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 14:45 Solar424 wrote:
Classic Terran "all-in" with more workers than the Zerg that kills you without even trying. She didn't scout it but it probably wouldn't even matter, this build is just too good. That wasn't an all-in. Even if his push was stopped, he wouldn't be dead.
That's why I put quotes around the "all-in", because it isn't.
I feel that ZvT and ZvP has been balanced around Zerg having to defend a handful of powerful builds like 7 Gate and Blue Flame Hellions/Helbats that if you don't defend perfectly you lose and if you do defend you're even for years.
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United States97276 Posts
Scarlett said Innovation was only like the 4th best TvZer in the GSL thread. I wonder if Maru is one of the player she considers better
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Australia18228 Posts
On January 14 2017 14:51 Shellshock wrote:
Scarlett said Innovation was only like the 4th best TvZer in the GSL thread. I wonder if Maru is one of the player she considers better
TY is #1 which is why Stephano will 3-0 him
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On January 14 2017 14:51 Shellshock wrote:
Scarlett said Innovation was only like the 4th best TvZer in the GSL thread. I wonder if Maru is one of the player she considers better
The 3 are probably Byun, TY, and Maru.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 14 2017 14:53 Inflicted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 14:51 Shellshock wrote:
Scarlett said Innovation was only like the 4th best TvZer in the GSL thread. I wonder if Maru is one of the player she considers better TY is #1 which is why Stephano will 3-0 him
Stephano could beat every Terran back during his prime, the strange exception being Mvp.
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On January 14 2017 14:53 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 14:51 Shellshock wrote:
Scarlett said Innovation was only like the 4th best TvZer in the GSL thread. I wonder if Maru is one of the player she considers better The 3 are probably Byun, TY, and Maru.
They're the most likely candidates, but I'm not convinced ByuN is as good as INno since the patch.
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United States97276 Posts
On January 14 2017 14:53 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 14:51 Shellshock wrote:
Scarlett said Innovation was only like the 4th best TvZer in the GSL thread. I wonder if Maru is one of the player she considers better The 3 are probably Byun, TY, and Maru.
Keen is the dark horse
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cant believe Maru could snipe those few banes in te middle of all that mass of units
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Maru is only 10 workers ahead?
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United States97276 Posts
lost his OC to ground attack only units smh
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I don't understand why more Zergs don't go Muta-Ling...
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Strangely impressive by Maru.
I guess he's coming back?
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Maru's happiness is off the charts.
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United States97276 Posts
On January 14 2017 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
Strangely impressive by Maru.
I guess he's coming back?
the HotS guard is coming back
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Jesus, I know you can't make that call earlier but 3 spores would have saved her 20 drones. She went full tilt there
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Scarlett looked like she wasn't even trying those first 2 games, but game 3 was Maru going full Bomber and overhelming with nothing but marines.
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On January 14 2017 15:01 Boucot wrote:
Maru's happiness is off the charts.
Its more than any germans i swear!
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On January 14 2017 15:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Jesus, I know you can't make that call earlier but 3 spores would have saved her 20 drones. She went full tilt there
She probably forgot to make Spire. No idea why she went 15 minutes with no anti-air aside from queens. Maybe just hiding strats for NW and GSL, since she probably thought she had no chance vs Maru either way.
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On January 14 2017 15:00 geokilla wrote:
I don't understand why more Zergs don't go Muta-Ling...
Going muta-ling against marine + liberator?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 14 2017 15:03 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 15:00 geokilla wrote:
I don't understand why more Zergs don't go Muta-Ling... Going muta-ling against marine + liberator?
liberators arent what they once were.
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On January 14 2017 15:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Jesus, I know you can't make that call earlier but 3 spores would have saved her 20 drones. She went full tilt there
yeah and this pissed me off. Good defence vs drops too.
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On January 14 2017 15:03 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 15:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Jesus, I know you can't make that call earlier but 3 spores would have saved her 20 drones. She went full tilt there She probably forgot to make Spire. No idea why she went 15 minutes with no anti-air aside from queens. Either way, I didn't expect her to win vs Maru, he's just too good right now.
I honestly thought she could do it. I still think she can if she's on her game but that, just wasn't it
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On January 14 2017 15:03 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 15:01 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Jesus, I know you can't make that call earlier but 3 spores would have saved her 20 drones. She went full tilt there She probably forgot to make Spire. No idea why she went 15 minutes with no anti-air aside from queens. Either way, I didn't expect her to win vs Maru, he's just too good right now.
I don't think so. Lots of Zergs lately zeem to be favouring a play style where they just stick with Ling-Bane and just keep on throwing units at the Terran. I don't understand why it's a popular play style at the top level. You can't defend against Liberators or drops at all. Even if you had Spore Crawlers, I think you can easily reposition them unless you had two at each base.
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ShoWTimE can 3-0 XY, and TY 3-0 Stephano, but I'm not sure who will 3-0 in the last series.
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Austria24417 Posts
I think this game she stayed on ling/bane because a) no money for mutas and b) can't give Maru time to stabilize
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Can we name the thread Knockout Day 3.0 or is that against spoiler policy ?
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Austria24417 Posts
On January 14 2017 15:08 TaKeTV wrote:
Can we name the thread Knockout Day 3.0 or is that against spoiler policy ?
Spoilers, unfortunately ;(
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On January 14 2017 15:08 TaKeTV wrote:
Can we name the thread Knockout Day 3.0 or is that against spoiler policy ?
/word :D
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On January 14 2017 15:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
ShoWTimE can 3-0 XY, and TY 3-0 Stephano, but I'm not sure who will 3-0 in the last series.
I think Neeb. He beat Elazer and Scarlett yesterday while Nerchio lost to Harstem.
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On January 14 2017 15:14 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 15:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
ShoWTimE can 3-0 XY, and TY 3-0 Stephano, but I'm not sure who will 3-0 in the last series. I think Neeb. He beat Elazer and Scarlett yesterday while Nerchio lost to Harstem.
but Nerchio enjoys crushing the American dream
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Damn Neeb looked so far ahead there. I don't want to be double disappointed today, bring it back Neeb
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On January 14 2017 15:36 MASTERCAKES wrote:
Storm own hts....
yeah he panicked
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He'd lose them anyway to lings + a baneling.
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God nerchios build is stupid. Didnt work for elazer, didnt work for himself.
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GSL and WESG :O
RIP productivity
MacSed and Cyan are casting on Chinese stream and it is hilariously biased now 
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Upgrades soon to be 3-2-2 vs 2-0 :s
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Oracle detection is way too good.
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On January 14 2017 16:09 RaFox17 wrote:
Oracle detection is way too good.
yeah it's nice being able to get your detecting unit out of harm's way after casting a quick spell.
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I wonder if pull some overlords over the lurkers to avoid tempest target fire would work?
anyway really fun game.
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2016:
- Nerchio says he will change the perception of foreigners.
- Neeb changes the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio got destroyed.
2017:
- Neeb is about to change the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio gets destroyed again.
2018:
- ?
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Oh damn I'm nervous. Please win Neeb
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Finally we have a series today!
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Jesus what was that move out.
You know that comp needs to stick together at that stage.
what the heck.
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On January 14 2017 16:13 usopsama wrote:
2016:
- Nerchio says he will change the perception of foreigners.
- Neeb changes the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio got destroyed.
2017:
- Neeb is about to change the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio gets destroyed again.
2018:
- ?
Careful, one more win for Nerchio and you'll have to edit your post again
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On January 14 2017 16:24 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 16:13 usopsama wrote:
2016:
- Nerchio says he will change the perception of foreigners.
- Neeb changes the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio got destroyed.
2017:
- Neeb is about to change the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio gets destroyed again.
2018:
- ?
Careful, one more win for Nerchio and you'll have to edit your post again
murica
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On January 14 2017 16:24 FataLe wrote:
Jesus what was that move out.
You know that comp needs to stick together at that stage.
what the heck.
I think he thought Nerchio was going for lurkers and wanted to hit before but losing the warp prism and just misreading the situation cost him
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Great observing as always!
Loses 2 probes.. "neeb just falling apart a bit here"
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On January 14 2017 16:26 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 16:24 FataLe wrote:
Jesus what was that move out.
You know that comp needs to stick together at that stage.
what the heck. I think he thought Nerchio was going for lurkers and wanted to hit before but losing the warp prism and just misreading the situation cost him
yup totally misread haha
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Storm play requires quite a bit of army to buffer for it which is why people don't usually rush it out and go for archons instead.
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On January 14 2017 16:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Storm play requires quite a bit of army to buffer for it which is why people don't usually rush it out and go for archons instead.
Archons would not have worked there either unfortunately
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Glad i caught that last game LOL
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I wonder if it would have been better for nerchio to split, though maybe Neeb goes carriers in which case it's sudoku for Nerchio.
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He definitely changed the perception of foreigners the way how he lost those broodlords.
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.....
WTF WAS THAT?!
You guys know that wtf Jackie Chan face meme. That was me during that engagement.
ARTUR WHY?!
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Go go non-blink Stalkers!
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Canada8988 Posts
Ouch that was brutal, feeling a bit bad for Nerchio
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Well, that was supposed to be the perfect army....
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OMG I WAS SO CERTAIN NEEB WAS GOING TO LOSE. INCREDIBLE FIGHT 
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Nerchio to become the first great Polish baseball player with a throwing arm like that
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Nerchio screwed up. Neeb basically a-moved and hit the storm x10.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 14 2017 16:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
.....
WTF WAS THAT?!
You guys know that wtf Jackie Chan face meme. That was me during that engagement.
ARTUR WHY?!
![[image loading]](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/26/2604c8c350d537bb08322a3ea7a94a0fcf8606b56e39ba1f62301224aa417e84.jpg)
User was warned for this post
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The sad thing is before that MAJOR fucking screw up at the end Nerchio did outplay Neeb at pretty much all times throughout the game.
Perfect scouting, great decision making, the fake drop was awesome. But that engagement was just too atrocious...
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On January 14 2017 16:24 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 16:13 usopsama wrote:
2016:
- Nerchio says he will change the perception of foreigners.
- Neeb changes the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio got destroyed.
2017:
- Neeb is about to change the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio gets destroyed again.
2018:
- ?
Careful, one more win for Nerchio and you'll have to edit your post again
edit:
2017:
- Neeb is about to change the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio gets destroyed again. destroys himself.
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XY vs Showtime...
well let's see Xiaose's curse can hold true a bit longer...
but tbh I don't see XY stands a chance especially since this is not a late night match
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congrats Nerchio, you played yourself
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On January 14 2017 16:43 usopsama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 16:24 Phredxor wrote:On January 14 2017 16:13 usopsama wrote:
2016:
- Nerchio says he will change the perception of foreigners.
- Neeb changes the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio got destroyed.
2017:
- Neeb is about to change the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio gets destroyed again.
2018:
- ?
Careful, one more win for Nerchio and you'll have to edit your post again edit: 2017: - Neeb is about to change the perception of foreigners, while Nerchio gets destroyed again. destroys himself.
Nerchio - The Evolution
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Stephano 3-0 Marinelord what the fuck lol
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On January 14 2017 16:48 Durnuu wrote:
Stephano 3-0 Marinelord what the fuck lol
The King of Africa beat an Overwatch Pro what's so hard to believe?
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I guess we'd see him lose stacked carriers to fungal and biles rather than stacked brood lords to psi storm and archons.
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Loses an entire army because of fucking terrible decisions and control. Blames the race that he chose for himself.
He is worst than Idra.
This is why I love watching him lose.
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On January 14 2017 16:41 RaFox17 wrote:Nerchio screwed up. Neeb basically a-moved and hit the storm x10.
As apposed to what?
Nerchio A moving into a choke?
hahaha
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I wonder if XY's army with all the vikings and marauders might be lacking in DPS.
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can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy
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China6327 Posts
On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy
But no? It is pronounced as X Y.
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On January 14 2017 17:09 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy But no? It is pronounced as X Y.
So why does it say it's pronounced Shy on his Liquipedia page? Who was responsible for that?
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On January 14 2017 17:09 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy But no? It is pronounced as X Y.
Bird brother is the answer...
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On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy
It's the initials of his real name "Xiang Yao". Although he is mostly known as his old ign "half a noob" （半个菜鸟） in China.
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China6327 Posts
On January 14 2017 17:12 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:09 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy But no? It is pronounced as X Y. So why does it say it's pronounced Shy on his Liquipedia page? Who was responsible for that?
That's probably old info, his ID is always pronounced as XY, since it stands for his name Xiang Yao.
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On January 14 2017 17:12 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:09 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy But no? It is pronounced as X Y. So why does it say it's pronounced Shy on his Liquipedia page? Who was responsible for that?
XY is just the initial of his name, so... X Y makes perfect sence
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On January 14 2017 17:12 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:09 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy But no? It is pronounced as X Y. So why does it say it's pronounced Shy on his Liquipedia page? Who was responsible for that?
Some guy called BLaDA.Bliitz added that in August 2013 according to the page's history.
edit: It's probably because CatsPajamas was calling him that during WCS America at that time.
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On January 14 2017 17:13 Yiome wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy It's the initials of his real name "Xiang Yao". Although he is mostly known as his old ign "half a noob" （半个菜鸟） in China.
Let's call him that way now, this is too good of a nickname.
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On January 14 2017 17:09 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy But no? It is pronounced as X Y.
who the hell lied to me then i must hunt them down
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On January 14 2017 16:59 usopsama wrote:Loses an entire army because of fucking terrible decisions and control. Blames the race that he chose for himself. He is worst than Idra. This is why I love watching him lose.
Idra was far worse. You're memory is just bad. Also why do you have to be such a tool?
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On January 14 2017 17:18 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:09 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 17:06 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
can someone tell one caster on this planet it's pronounce shy But no? It is pronounced as X Y. who the hell lied to me then i must hunt them down
Noone, I assume. You just tried to nitpick, so you went on to the internet and found one word out of which you tried to make a case for casters being wrong. Hunt yourself down, man.
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On January 14 2017 17:22 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 16:59 usopsama wrote:Loses an entire army because of fucking terrible decisions and control. Blames the race that he chose for himself. He is worst than Idra. This is why I love watching him lose. Idra was far worse. You're memory is just bad. Also why do you have to be such a tool?
something something elephant in the room
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ShowTime's hold is glitch-tier... I don't think I've seen someone who is really good at defending his base in LoTV like him
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Maru hasn't dropped a map yet, Showtime will have a tough next round. I believe though.
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I fixed XY's liquidpedia page.
But feel free to add back the old pronunciation if needed.
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South Korea2105 Posts
wow, XY, moving that 1 tank into the overcharge range of 2 pylons, well done
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On January 14 2017 17:25 YamiRi wrote:
ShowTime's hold is glitch-tier... I don't think I've seen someone who is really good at defending his base in LoTV like him
neeb has had some sick holds too.
that's why they're are two of my favorite protoss players.
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On January 14 2017 17:30 ZiggyPG wrote:
wow, XY, moving that 1 tank into the overcharge range of 2 pylons, well done
hahaha yea i was thinking rip when he seiged there.
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Now it's time for the Stephano miracle.
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why Tunisia flag? I thought Stephano is French?
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On January 14 2017 17:36 xenoZhang wrote:
why Tunisia flag? I thought Stephano is French?
He has dual nationalities and he qualified for WESG representing Tunisia.
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On January 14 2017 17:36 xenoZhang wrote:
why Tunisia flag? I thought Stephano is French?
He has Tunisian citizenship and qualified through the African qualifiers.
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i like just hearing them talk like it was HSC but the camera work is almost too high quality for this
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THE LEGEND SPEAKS
All shall heed his word.
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On January 14 2017 17:38 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
i like just hearing them talk like it was HSC but the camera work is almost too high quality for this
The problem is the place, they should have found them a little lounge.
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They need a Protoss here. Poor Protoss.
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...nice 3ways interview btw...
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On January 14 2017 17:44 Phredxor wrote:They need a Protoss here. Poor Protoss.
That's why they have Scarlett
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On January 14 2017 17:44 Phredxor wrote:They need a Protoss here. Poor Protoss.
Protoss players are too faceless.
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On January 14 2017 17:44 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:44 Phredxor wrote:They need a Protoss here. Poor Protoss. That's why they have Scarlett
I guess she's a better Protoss than DRG was Zerg at least.
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To fight Deep Mind, I would choose Has. The computer would never win, not programmed to face this kind of shit.
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On January 14 2017 17:48 usopsama wrote:
I am switching to GDQ. I thought the next match was about to start, but it has been 15-20 minutes of nothing.
good timing
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On January 14 2017 17:50 Boucot wrote:
To fight Deep Mind, I would choose Has. The computer would never win, not programmed to face this kind of shit.
You just program the AI to build tanks and turrets off of one base, surely Has will blink into that
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On January 14 2017 17:50 Boucot wrote:
To fight Deep Mind, I would choose Has. The computer would never win, not programmed to face this kind of shit.
It just has to survive 8 minutes, then Has falls apart because he can't macro.
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On January 14 2017 17:51 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:50 Boucot wrote:
To fight Deep Mind, I would choose Has. The computer would never win, not programmed to face this kind of shit. It just has to survive 8 minutes, then Has falls apart because he can't macro.
unless it's vs Happy in which case the rules of Starcraft don't really apply
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On January 14 2017 17:53 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 17:51 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 17:50 Boucot wrote:
To fight Deep Mind, I would choose Has. The computer would never win, not programmed to face this kind of shit. It just has to survive 8 minutes, then Has falls apart because he can't macro. unless it's vs Happy in which case the rules of Starcraft don't really apply
My favourite game of all time that was :>
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Man this is the damage you used to get with a blue flame opening
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This top African player needs to leave this game already
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Bringing back memories of glorious hellbat drops in 2013.
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TY uses this build a lot on ladder. But it's not like anyone expects Stephano to prepare that much.
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I like how TY actually answers with gl, hf stephano
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"respects him enough not to steamroll him"
after steamrolling him
wat
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man I thought this was stephano's game
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South Korea2105 Posts
The momentum swings in this game are a real treat
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Italy3214 Posts
Stephano's creep is always outstanding
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semis and final tomorrow?
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Australia18228 Posts
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Impressive game by Stephano, but man TY is solid.
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Looked good for a bit there.
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Casters not biased at all
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I love how confident TY feels on creep, a complete opposite of ByuN, who prefers to err on the side of caution
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On January 14 2017 18:16 DJHelium wrote:
Impressive game by Stephano, but man TY is solid.
only terran hope
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On January 14 2017 18:17 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:16 DJHelium wrote:
Impressive game by Stephano, but man TY is solid. only terran hope
lol
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On January 14 2017 18:16 ZiggyPG wrote:
I love how confident TY feels on creep, a complete opposite of ByuN, who prefers to err on the side of caution
That's why Byun is the most mechanically gifted and just overall GOAT.
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All those mine hits in that game though really hurt Stephano.
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On January 14 2017 18:17 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:16 ZiggyPG wrote:
I love how confident TY feels on creep, a complete opposite of ByuN, who prefers to err on the side of caution That's why Byun is the most mechanically gifted and just overall GOAT.
Being aggressive seems to do the trick for TY
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On January 14 2017 18:17 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:16 ZiggyPG wrote:
I love how confident TY feels on creep, a complete opposite of ByuN, who prefers to err on the side of caution That's why Byun is the most mechanically gifted and just overall GOAT.
It's completly diffrent playstyles though, did TY even drop once after his initial opening? ByuN generally has less main army because 2 full medivacs are doing something else
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TY only has to defeat foreigners and the title is his. Easiest 200k ever
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On January 14 2017 18:15 Noonius wrote:
semis and final tomorrow?
Yes, and a 30k worth third place match too.
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On January 14 2017 18:19 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:17 Phredxor wrote:On January 14 2017 18:16 ZiggyPG wrote:
I love how confident TY feels on creep, a complete opposite of ByuN, who prefers to err on the side of caution That's why Byun is the most mechanically gifted and just overall GOAT. It's completly diffrent playstyles though, did TY even drop once after his initial opening? ByuN generally has less main army because 2 full medivacs are doing something else
TY pulled back every drop Stephano got vision of. ByuN would have just dropped anyway and risked losing them.
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On January 14 2017 18:21 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:19 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:17 Phredxor wrote:On January 14 2017 18:16 ZiggyPG wrote:
I love how confident TY feels on creep, a complete opposite of ByuN, who prefers to err on the side of caution That's why Byun is the most mechanically gifted and just overall GOAT. It's completly diffrent playstyles though, did TY even drop once after his initial opening? ByuN generally has less main army because 2 full medivacs are doing something else TY pulled back every drop Stephano got vision of. ByuN would have just dropped anyway and risked losing them.
Until the mutas come out ByuN generally does a lot of damage anyway though :p like in his games yesterday vs Solar and ByuL
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hellbat followup incoming
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Mortal Kombat doesn't have a word for this I think
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like 4 different waves of harrass, all of which have the potential to end the game without putting the terran behind in the macro game
reminds me of forgg, im getting salty
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what a massacre. Stephano got rekt from all sides, like in game 1.
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Major is a happy boy right now.
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Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game!
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On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game!
It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :>
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On January 14 2017 18:24 Elentos wrote:
Mortal Kombat doesn't have a word for this I think
Finish Him
Flawless Victory
TY Wins
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Australia18228 Posts
So nice of Stephano to stay in this so TY can showoff his multitask
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On January 14 2017 18:24 Elentos wrote:
Mortal Kombat doesn't have a word for this I think
SC2 needs babalitys to truly become popular.
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On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :>
Yeah and it's a testament to how garbage this game has gotten when you lose even when you know what's coming. Because how do you stop this? One slip up and you still die.
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On January 14 2017 18:28 Kaewins wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> Yeah and it's a testament to how garbage this game has gotten when you lose even when you know what's coming. Because how do you stop this? One slip up and you still die.
oh i'm sorry did you not catch the sarcasm?
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I hope the korean overlords will prevent the PvP finals!
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On January 14 2017 18:25 Aocowns wrote:
like 4 different waves of harrass, all of which have the potential to end the game without putting the terran behind in the macro game
reminds me of forgg, im getting salty
Yeah this is very ForGGesque. I get really inspired by games like this, then when I try it out on the ladder my opponent just has 5 roaches and spores and I lose :D
GG WP by both players, loved Stephano's play in g2.
edit: are semis Bo7?
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On January 14 2017 18:27 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:24 Elentos wrote:
Mortal Kombat doesn't have a word for this I think SC2 needs babalitys to truly become popular.
Terrible, terrible damage!
Babality!
GeeeeeeGeeeeeeeee!
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On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :>
what is the "it" he knew was coming though?
the mine drop, the hellion drop, the hellbat drop/push, the cloak banshees, the liberator, or the incoming cyclone hellbat attack? :>
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On January 14 2017 18:28 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:28 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> Yeah and it's a testament to how garbage this game has gotten when you lose even when you know what's coming. Because how do you stop this? One slip up and you still die. oh i'm sorry did you not catch the sarcasm?
Sorry I'm so salty at the moment.
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On January 14 2017 18:28 HolydaKing wrote:
I hope the korean overlords will prevent the PvP finals!
no worries. TY will demolish Neeb in the semis and the German will have even less chance against him in the final
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On January 14 2017 18:29 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:25 Aocowns wrote:
like 4 different waves of harrass, all of which have the potential to end the game without putting the terran behind in the macro game
reminds me of forgg, im getting salty Yeah this is very ForGGesque. I get really inspired by games like this, then when I try it out on the ladder my opponent just has 5 roaches and spores and I lose :D GG WP by both players, loved Stephano's play in g2. edit: are semis Bo7?
Best of 5.
Yeah at least game 2 was kinda close.
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On January 14 2017 18:29 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> what is the "it" he knew was coming though? the mine drop, the hellion drop, the hellbat drop/push, the cloak banshees, the liberator, or the incoming cyclone hellbat attack? :>
He seemed to be ready for nothing
I mean we're talking midlevel foreigner vs top korean terran...
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On January 14 2017 18:30 Noonius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:28 HolydaKing wrote:
I hope the korean overlords will prevent the PvP finals! no worries. TY will demolish Neeb in the semis and the German will have even less chance against him in the final
Are you really suggesting Maru is going to lose to Showtime?
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On January 14 2017 18:30 Kaewins wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:28 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> Yeah and it's a testament to how garbage this game has gotten when you lose even when you know what's coming. Because how do you stop this? One slip up and you still die. oh i'm sorry did you not catch the sarcasm? Sorry I'm so salty at the moment.
Should be happy for stephano that he got that far honestly, no shame losing to TY
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On January 14 2017 18:31 ZiggyPG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:30 Noonius wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 HolydaKing wrote:
I hope the korean overlords will prevent the PvP finals! no worries. TY will demolish Neeb in the semis and the German will have even less chance against him in the final Are you really suggesting Maru is going to lose to Showtime?
That's what he just did, yes. And I do think he has a chance.
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On January 14 2017 18:31 ZiggyPG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:30 Noonius wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 HolydaKing wrote:
I hope the korean overlords will prevent the PvP finals! no worries. TY will demolish Neeb in the semis and the German will have even less chance against him in the final Are you really suggesting Maru is going to lose to Showtime?
He will win by default
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On January 14 2017 18:31 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:29 Aocowns wrote:On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> what is the "it" he knew was coming though? the mine drop, the hellion drop, the hellbat drop/push, the cloak banshees, the liberator, or the incoming cyclone hellbat attack? :> He seemed to be ready for nothing I mean we're talking midlevel foreigner vs top korean terran...
oh yeah im not saying stephano should beat TY, just being salty about the insane harrass potential terran has with this style, especially on this map
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at what time does it start tmrw? Calendar doesn't show diddly
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On January 14 2017 18:31 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:30 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> Yeah and it's a testament to how garbage this game has gotten when you lose even when you know what's coming. Because how do you stop this? One slip up and you still die. oh i'm sorry did you not catch the sarcasm? Sorry I'm so salty at the moment. Should be happy for stephano that he got that far honestly, no shame losing to TY
Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised by what Stephano showed in this tournament. But once more he shows the same weakness he has ever since his first comeback : his macro is not good enough. His engagements, his micro are still wonderful but he never got back the macro he displayed before his first retirement.
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On January 14 2017 18:33 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:31 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:29 Aocowns wrote:On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> what is the "it" he knew was coming though? the mine drop, the hellion drop, the hellbat drop/push, the cloak banshees, the liberator, or the incoming cyclone hellbat attack? :> He seemed to be ready for nothing I mean we're talking midlevel foreigner vs top korean terran... oh yeah im not saying stephano should beat TY, just being salty about the insane harrass potential terran has with this style, especially on this map
Yeah Snute refuses to take the standard natural on this map i think, doesn't sound like a bad idea.
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On January 14 2017 18:34 Noonius wrote:
at what time does it start tmrw? Calendar doesn't show diddly
LP says same as today
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On January 14 2017 18:34 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:31 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:30 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> Yeah and it's a testament to how garbage this game has gotten when you lose even when you know what's coming. Because how do you stop this? One slip up and you still die. oh i'm sorry did you not catch the sarcasm? Sorry I'm so salty at the moment. Should be happy for stephano that he got that far honestly, no shame losing to TY Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised by what Stephano showed in this tournament. But once more he shows the same weakness he has ever since his first comeback : his macro is not good enough. His engagements, his micro are still wonderful but he never got back the macro he displayed before his first retirement.
How is he supposed to outmacro the best macro terran, who also kills 20 drones early every game. More like bad preparation or scouting or both
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7 of the 8 matches ended with a 3-0 today. A bit frustrating.
On January 14 2017 18:36 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:34 Boucot wrote:On January 14 2017 18:31 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:30 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> Yeah and it's a testament to how garbage this game has gotten when you lose even when you know what's coming. Because how do you stop this? One slip up and you still die. oh i'm sorry did you not catch the sarcasm? Sorry I'm so salty at the moment. Should be happy for stephano that he got that far honestly, no shame losing to TY Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised by what Stephano showed in this tournament. But once more he shows the same weakness he has ever since his first comeback : his macro is not good enough. His engagements, his micro are still wonderful but he never got back the macro he displayed before his first retirement. How is he supposed to outmacro the best macro terran, who also kills 20 drones early every game. More like bad preparation or scouting or both
Yeah of course TY is out of reach for him but it's been like this for two years now.
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On January 14 2017 18:36 Boucot wrote:
7 of the 8 matches ended with a 3-0 today. A bit frustrating.
I'm sure Nerchio is happy to have broken that streak :>
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On January 14 2017 18:36 ArtyK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 18:34 Boucot wrote:On January 14 2017 18:31 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:30 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:28 Kaewins wrote:On January 14 2017 18:26 ArtyK wrote:On January 14 2017 18:25 Kaewins wrote:Build order wins are so freaking disgusting. God this game! It's almost like stephano knew it was coming :> Yeah and it's a testament to how garbage this game has gotten when you lose even when you know what's coming. Because how do you stop this? One slip up and you still die. oh i'm sorry did you not catch the sarcasm? Sorry I'm so salty at the moment. Should be happy for stephano that he got that far honestly, no shame losing to TY Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised by what Stephano showed in this tournament. But once more he shows the same weakness he has ever since his first comeback : his macro is not good enough. His engagements, his micro are still wonderful but he never got back the macro he displayed before his first retirement. How is he supposed to outmacro the best macro terran, who also kills 20 drones early every game. More like bad preparation or scouting or both
Tbf TY doesn't have the best macro out of all Terrans, he's just the most comfortable playing macro even when he doesn't get those 20 worker kills.
It really hurt Stephano that he didn't see anything that was going on for TY and so every wave got harder and harder to deal with.
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so how was Nerchio - Neeb and Maru - Scarlett? I know who won in those games, but were they good?
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On January 14 2017 18:39 Alchemik wrote:
so how was Nerchio - Neeb and Maru - Scarlett? I know who won in those games, but were they good?
Nerchio-Neeb was good but it ended in a really stupid way (no all-in, but a stupid way to end a macro game). Maru-Scarlett was brutal.
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On January 14 2017 18:39 Alchemik wrote:
so how was Nerchio - Neeb and Maru - Scarlett? I know who won in those games, but were they good?
Nerchio-Neeb was a lot of fun, some crazy games, some massive throws. Maru-Scarlett was a massacre.
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On January 14 2017 18:39 Alchemik wrote:
so how was Nerchio - Neeb and Maru - Scarlett? I know who won in those games, but were they good?
Maru-Scarlett was an absolute bop
Nerchio-Neeb had one of the best "Full Foreigner" moments you'll ever see.
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Daybreak what a wonderful map
e: at least I can consolate myself with watching Scarlett vs Maru on a loop
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I hope tomorrows broadcast will take CET ppl a bit in mind, probably not
I miss LR's watching Starcraft not-live :/
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On January 14 2017 19:12 Penev wrote:
I hope tomorrows broadcast will take CET ppl a bit in mind, probably not
I miss LR's watching Starcraft not-live :/
GSL screwing us, WESG screwing us
Blizzard trying to kill EU starcraft right after killing KR confirmed
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TL what the fuck is this?
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Lol wtf. Noonius would like it though.
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China6327 Posts
We are starting an hour later tomorrow, at 11:30pm EST/5:30am CET. Grand finals are scheduled at 9:30am CET.
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wow a lot of 3-0
kinda surprised by stephano - marinelord btw
is neeb vs nerchio the best series we had ?
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Germany15880 Posts
Who's the guy on the 4th picture?
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On January 14 2017 20:19 Charoisaur wrote:Who's the guy on the 4th picture?
Do you mean Demuslim or Beasty?
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Germany15880 Posts
On January 14 2017 20:23 Elentos wrote:Do you mean Demuslim or Beasty?
Demuslim. Thx
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nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year
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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Lol Maru man handled Scarlett so hard holy crap lol. Lets go maru!
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South Korea2105 Posts
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG
Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all.
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On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all.
Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again.
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France12761 Posts
Haha did Stephano really 3-0 MLorD? I know he is on OW now but still, a bit shameful. Especially with the taunts from Ilyes about MLorD.
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On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again.
I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals.
Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself.
Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself.
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On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself.
Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru.
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On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru.
Did he say why?
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On January 14 2017 19:46 digmouse wrote:
We are starting an hour later tomorrow, at 11:30pm EST/5:30am CET. Grand finals are scheduled at 9:30am CET.
K thanks, should be able to watch the finals live then
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On January 14 2017 22:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru. Did he say why?
delusional foreigner bias
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On January 14 2017 22:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru. Did he say why?
Maru is one of the most agressive terran of all tine. Showtime has shown almost unbreakable defence vs terran harass so it makes sense. Of course if maru prepares properly he should have builds lined up.
Marus still favoured but if he isnt familiar with showtimes style he could lose
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Also, nerchio threw that game 5 so badly :D
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On January 14 2017 22:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru. Did he say why?
He said ShowTime created the current PvT meta and every other pro has been copying his style.
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On January 14 2017 22:52 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:32 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru. Did he say why? He said ShowTime created the current PvT meta and every other pro has been copying his style.
yeah the collossus -> disruptor transition was first done by him.
doesn't mean he's good enough at it to beat maru though.
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On January 14 2017 22:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru. Did he say why?
one of the great oracles of our time does not need to explain himself to the plebeians
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On January 14 2017 22:52 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:32 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru. Did he say why? He said ShowTime created the current PvT meta and every other pro has been copying his style.
Aside from the fact that I disagree with that statement...
So? That really doesn't mean anything for his match against Maru. Even if he was the first, that doesn't necessarily mean he's the best now.
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On January 14 2017 23:00 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:52 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:32 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru. Did he say why? He said ShowTime created the current PvT meta and every other pro has been copying his style. Aside from the fact that I disagree with that statement... So? That really doesn't mean anything for his match against Maru. Even if he was the first, that doesn't necessarily mean he's the best now.
I think he explained something else but I couldn't remember
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maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race
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On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race
Well skill wise Maru is above showtime right now anyway. I would favor Maru against any protoss other than stats or sOs
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Showtime's PvZ is something. I'm not sure what it is, but it's something.
Not a lot of people win that Daybreak game.
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On January 14 2017 22:52 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 22:32 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 22:17 digmouse wrote:On January 14 2017 22:08 Elentos wrote:On January 14 2017 21:53 ZiggyPG wrote:On January 14 2017 21:46 Pandemona wrote:On January 14 2017 21:35 ZiggyPG wrote:
I wonder if Maru practiced TvT to beat TY in the finals or if we're going to get a repeat of the Asian finals of WESG Maru said before and after his GSL group he "hates" and is "bad" at TvT but then went and dismantled Gumiho 2-0 but who knows i think he doesn't like the matchup at all. Wish I still had enough passion to listen to those pre and post game interviews :d Thanks for the info, though, will have to wait and see. Him defeating Gumi wasn't a big surprise, given the skill disparity between the two. Might be different when Maru has to face TY yet again. I don't think TY really likes TvT after the patch either. It's his worst MU on ladder by quite a margin and he lost 0-2 to Maru in the IEM qualifiers. Although regardless of the score, the games were very even and TY definitely could (should) have one won of them. If those games are any indicator, it could be a really good grand finals. Early game in TvT is quite volatile now, what with reaper grenades, 30 DPS cyclones and auto turrets that 2-shot workers. That and the tankivac removal and I can see why some pros such as TY and Maru wouldn't be big fans of TvT right now. But Maru is also kinda bullshitting imo, he beat TY, ByuN and GuMiho in TvT after the patch, can't feel that bad about himself. Who knows, maybe we get an upset and one of the Protoss players makes it to the finals. Showtime definitely believes in himself. Was talking to the casters after today's matches and PiG said he believes ShowTime will win vs Maru. Did he say why? He said ShowTime created the current PvT meta and every other pro has been copying his style.
Defending on three bases into collosus and then disruptors is creating the meta? I thought thats just how protoss works haha
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Maru knows how to deal with colossi and im pretty sure he wont let showtime amass them before disruptors come into play
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On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year
Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well.
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On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well.
Yeah nerchio had no choice but to tank 8 storms with 6 broodlords
It's understandable though because Nerchio though the had a timing before tempests were out so he had to attack, but he wasn't aware of the number of storms. But it was still the worst possible engagement, the BLs shouldn't be unprotected at the front like that, and the hydras did nothing at all they were move-commanding for most of the fight
"a maxed out protoss is always ahead" not really, he had no AA other than storms, and the broodlords shouldn't have been in that position where they could all die like that
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On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race
ShoWTimE should never win a bo5 against the likes of Maru anyways but it's another story .
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when are the semis/finals?
I cant find it on the calendar...
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On January 15 2017 00:30 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well. https://clips.twitch.tv/starladder_sc2_en/BreakableOysterUncleNoxYeah nerchio had no choice but to tank 8 storms with 6 broodlords It's understandable though because Nerchio though the had a timing before tempests were out so he had to attack, but he wasn't aware of the number of storms. But it was still the worst possible engagement, the BLs shouldn't be unprotected at the front like that, and the hydras did nothing at all they were move-commanding for most of the fight "a maxed out protoss is always ahead" not really, he had no AA other than storms, and the broodlords shouldn't have been in that position where they could all die like that
There is no good position to attack on Daybreak and he had to attack. Hydras obviously won't do anything in any fight because storm zones them out.
how many other AA does protoss need other than storm and archons? And yes, a maxed out protoss with storm is always ahead.
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On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well.
Yeah. He definitely didn't throw the game by losing his entire army to storms. He definitely couldn't have positioned his lurkers, hydras, broodlords in a way that was spread out. His only choice was definitely to clump up his entire army so that storms can hit everything at once. After all, a maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what.
Since a maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what, I don't understand why more protoss are not using this magic strategy.
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On January 15 2017 01:11 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:30 Fango wrote:On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well. https://clips.twitch.tv/starladder_sc2_en/BreakableOysterUncleNoxYeah nerchio had no choice but to tank 8 storms with 6 broodlords It's understandable though because Nerchio though the had a timing before tempests were out so he had to attack, but he wasn't aware of the number of storms. But it was still the worst possible engagement, the BLs shouldn't be unprotected at the front like that, and the hydras did nothing at all they were move-commanding for most of the fight "a maxed out protoss is always ahead" not really, he had no AA other than storms, and the broodlords shouldn't have been in that position where they could all die like that There is no good position to attack on Daybreak and he had to attack. Hydras obviously won't do anything in any fight because storm zones them out. how many other AA does protoss need other than storm and archons? And yes, a maxed out protoss with storm is always ahead.
8 storms, 2 archons and 3 stalkers without blink don't beat 6 broodlords if you split them or micro them back.
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On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race
60% damn... At least I'm not the only having trouble in PvT
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On January 15 2017 00:32 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race ShoWTimE should never win a bo5 against the likes of Maru anyways but it's another story .
What makes you underetimating Showtime?
He is the only guy who beat Byun in Blizzcon, and did it with a clean 2-0 in a bo3.
Byun gave him credit after that series, so why doesn't Showtime has a chance against Maru?
If there is a reason for Mary being the favorite is because TvP at the moment isn't that bakanced.
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On January 15 2017 01:11 Aegwynn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:30 Fango wrote:On January 15 2017 00:08 Aegwynn wrote:On January 14 2017 20:41 Makro wrote:
nerchio vs neeb g5 was one of the biggest throw of the year Nerchio was never ahead, didn't understand why casters hyped it and made viewers believe that nerchio actually threw.that game. A maxed out protoss with storms is always ahead no matter what. And yes storm kills broodlords as well. https://clips.twitch.tv/starladder_sc2_en/BreakableOysterUncleNoxYeah nerchio had no choice but to tank 8 storms with 6 broodlords It's understandable though because Nerchio though the had a timing before tempests were out so he had to attack, but he wasn't aware of the number of storms. But it was still the worst possible engagement, the BLs shouldn't be unprotected at the front like that, and the hydras did nothing at all they were move-commanding for most of the fight "a maxed out protoss is always ahead" not really, he had no AA other than storms, and the broodlords shouldn't have been in that position where they could all die like that There is no good position to attack on Daybreak and he had to attack. Hydras obviously won't do anything in any fight because storm zones them out. how many other AA does protoss need other than storm and archons? And yes, a maxed out protoss with storm is always ahead.
Any position that isn't walking through a choke while its litterally being stormed is a good one.
You know he had 2 archons and a couple stalkers right? That isn't beating 6 broodlords. He had his BLs out of position and they got stormed at least 3 times each, then he couldn't get his hyrdas into the fight because he had left them behind and they were zoned out. Oh and he then move-commanded them through as many storms as possible which didn't help.
lesson to learn: don't leave the broodords above a choke without an army supporting them. and don't let an entire ground army bunch up and die to storms
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On January 15 2017 02:26 bulya wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:32 Poopi wrote:On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race ShoWTimE should never win a bo5 against the likes of Maru anyways but it's another story . What makes you underetimating Showtime? He is the only guy who beat Byun in Blizzcon, and did it with a clean 2-0 in a bo3. Byun gave him credit after that series, so why doesn't Showtime has a chance against Maru? If there is a reason for Mary being the favorite is because TvP at the moment isn't that bakanced.
No the reason is because Maru is looking on fire (21 game winstreak), and if he's in good form then he's favored against almost any protoss. Plus Maru's TvP is much better than TYs, and TY won pretty solidly.
The only reason I have to say Showtime has a chance is his series vs ByuN at blizzcon, and even then ByuN played badly (by his standards). For him to win, Maru must overcommit to drops like Byun (and TY did in that Echo game) and Showtime must defend amazingly, otherwise Maru will dominate.
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France12761 Posts
On January 15 2017 02:26 bulya wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 00:32 Poopi wrote:On January 14 2017 23:11 Ej_ wrote:
maru will win because tvp is at 60% right now
skill cant overcome race ShoWTimE should never win a bo5 against the likes of Maru anyways but it's another story . What makes you underetimating Showtime? He is the only guy who beat Byun in Blizzcon, and did it with a clean 2-0 in a bo3. Byun gave him credit after that series, so why doesn't Showtime has a chance against Maru? If there is a reason for Mary being the favorite is because TvP at the moment isn't that bakanced.
He has a chance but he is far less good than Maru, but the game design makes such upsets more probable than ever altho foreigners improved a bit.
I don't underestimate him because I'm pretty sure an upset is gonna happen, unfortunately.
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juicyjames
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On January 15 2017 03:21 Fango wrote:
Plus Maru's TvP is much better than TYs, and TY won pretty solidly.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Their approach to the game is so different that it becomes hard to tell who's better. They'll do differently well against every Protoss player. Someone who could be a big hurdle for TY could be easy pickings for Maru and vice versa.
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On January 15 2017 04:32 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2017 03:21 Fango wrote:
Plus Maru's TvP is much better than TYs, and TY won pretty solidly.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Their approach to the game is so different that it becomes hard to tell who's better. They'll do differently well against every Protoss player. Someone who could be a big hurdle for TY could be easy pickings for Maru and vice versa.
That is true, but I'd still put Maru's TvP as a bigger challenge than TY's right now.
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juicyjames
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