EPT[GSL] Code S Season 2 2016 - Ro16 Group C - Page 45
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Fango
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opisska
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
On August 18 2016 00:05 opisska wrote: You guys know I was always against "balance whining" and patching things out just because they are strong (I am still a convinced fan of BL/infestor and SHs), but this Adept thing is getting ridiculous. It's not that much because they are strong, but they are just strong in a boring way. Shading small groups around is fun, but why do they have to be so strong in straight-up fight? This is Marauders and Roaches all over again: boring strong units that just do damage while not dying to the first sneeze around them. Why do we even need to have those around? Marauders were even nerfed along the way (while Roaches were kind "nerfed" by how much other stuff has become better), so there is some understanding at Blizzard that a straight-up strong unit is not very fun, so why even introduce another? nerfing adepts, at least the shade cooldown, is so long overdue it's ridiculous. (didn't watch the games, not complaining about balance, congrats to Dear and Myungsik who probably worked pretty hard and deserve their victories, but I've been saying that adepts are bad for the game in their current state for ages) | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On August 18 2016 00:15 [PkF] Wire wrote: nerfing adepts, at least the shade cooldown, is so long overdue it's ridiculous. (didn't watch the games, not balance whining, congrats to Dear and Myungsik, but I've been saying that adepts are bad for the game in their current state for ages) Why do you think the cooldown is the issue? What I see as generally problematic is their standup fighting power - even if they didn't have the shade at all, they stats just seem to be to good. I have recently seen many occasions of them just killing stuff. Okay, sometimes it's after they shade through tanks/libs, but that also wouldn't be solved by shade cooldown, because they need to shade just once to do it. Some people have suggested health reduction and that's what would make sense to me. I still don't get why they do both so much damage and have so much health, while not leaving much for Zealots to do better. It's pretty much like the gateway/warpgate paradox that has never ever been addressed in all those years. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 18 2016 00:05 opisska wrote: You guys know I was always against "balance whining" and patching things out just because they are strong (I am still a convinced fan of BL/infestor and SHs), but this Adept thing is getting ridiculous. It's not that much because they are strong, but they are just strong in a boring way. Shading small groups around is fun, but why do they have to be so strong in straight-up fight? This is Marauders and Roaches all over again: boring strong units that just do damage while not dying to the first sneeze around them. Why do we even need to have those around? Marauders were even nerfed along the way (while Roaches were kind "nerfed" by how much other stuff has become better), so there is some understanding at Blizzard that a straight-up strong unit is not very fun, so why even introduce another? I think in the huge patch this year they will be nerfing Adepts, or at least their counters becoming much stronger. Banelings and Hydras will be stronger, so will siege tanks and cyclones (?) | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24203 Posts
On August 18 2016 00:20 opisska wrote: Why do you think the cooldown is the issue? What I see as generally problematic is their standup fighting power - even if they didn't have the shade at all, they stats just seem to be to good. I have recently seen many occasions of them just killing stuff. Okay, sometimes it's after they shade through tanks/libs, but that also wouldn't be solved by shade cooldown, because they need to shade just once to do it. Some people have suggested health reduction and that's what would make sense to me. I still don't get why they do both so much damage and have so much health, while not leaving much for Zealots to do better. It's pretty much like the gateway/warpgate paradox that has never ever been addressed in all those years. I don't feel their straight up fighting power is that much of an issue. What I dislike is games ended with retarded 50 adepts attacks that just wreck your eco because the adepts keep shading everywhere (and it can happen in every mu). If the cooldown was far bigger dealing with that kind of harass would be far less of a pain. But I wouldn't mind a health reduction at all, probably on the shields. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Penev
28481 Posts
On August 18 2016 00:20 opisska wrote: Why do you think the cooldown is the issue? What I see as generally problematic is their standup fighting power - even if they didn't have the shade at all, they stats just seem to be to good. I have recently seen many occasions of them just killing stuff. Okay, sometimes it's after they shade through tanks/libs, but that also wouldn't be solved by shade cooldown, because they need to shade just once to do it. Some people have suggested health reduction and that's what would make sense to me. I still don't get why they do both so much damage and have so much health, while not leaving much for Zealots to do better. It's pretty much like the gateway/warpgate paradox that has never ever been addressed in all those years. I'm one of the HP nerf enthousiasts (so I keep posting it everywhere alongside liberator removal requests) The way I see it: 1. Less hp means shading on top of armies nerfed. It's just numbers, your shit dies faster while the others shit lives longer 2. Ever seen Zergs running around trying to clean up Adepts but just as they're about to kill the last ones a new batch is warped in? An HP nerf done properly will rebalance this as needed (I don't think the nerf needs to be that big) 3. Zealots become a relatively better choice so more diversity I don't feel their straight up fighting power is that much of an issue. What I dislike is games ended with retarded 50 adepts attacks that just wreck your eco because the adepts keep shading everywhere (and it can happen in every mu). If the cooldown was far bigger dealing with that kind of harass would be far less of a pain. But I wouldn't mind a health reduction at all, probably on the shields. If they would die faster that would also do the trick | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37026 Posts
Although I got to say, it's a damn shame that Maru can't make any results in individual leagues anymore :/ But oh well. LET'S GO SKT POWAH! | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
See, Seeker? We still got it! | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Penev
28481 Posts
On August 18 2016 01:13 IntoTheheart wrote: 45 pages boys, good stuff! I'm proud at how good we are at shitposting. See, Seeker? We still got it! the thread got 2 bans for balance whining as well it was a good day | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Penev
28481 Posts
On August 18 2016 01:46 IntoTheheart wrote: How many times did GumBa get warned? omg not one time strip him from his title pls | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
I wonder if I could set up the "Unofficial World Shitposting Champion" thing... | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
ban him | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
No one can ever shitpost as shitty as swag_bro. What a legend. His peak will never be replicated. Shitposting has been in a slump ever since he's gone. No 1 GOAT in shitposting. He will be missed. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
On August 18 2016 03:09 RKC wrote: Meh all you wannabes. No one can ever shitpost as shitty as swag_bro. What a legend. His peak will never be replicated. Shitposting has been in a slump ever since he's gone. No 1 GOAT in shitposting. He will be missed. #neverforget | ||
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Penev
28481 Posts
On August 18 2016 03:09 RKC wrote: Meh all you wannabes. No one can ever shitpost as shitty as swag_bro. What a legend. His peak will never be replicated. Shitposting has been in a slump ever since he's gone. No 1 GOAT in shitposting. He will be missed. i wanted tl to change my name into swag_of_wet_bro's as an homage to Him and His shadow but they refused.. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On August 18 2016 03:19 Penev wrote: i wanted tl to change my name into swag_of_wet_bro's as an homage to Him and His shadow but they refused.. You can just make that TL account though, and start a shitposter anew. | ||
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