EPTThere was a time in late hots where raven as soon as starport was complete was a thing before adding reactor and medivac.
[GSL] Code S Season 2 2016 - Ro16 Group A - Page 54
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2220 Posts
There was a time in late hots where raven as soon as starport was complete was a thing before adding reactor and medivac. | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
I love Starcraft!!! | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
Besides, making your opponent make mistakes is also a quality players can have. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
In general i am simply annoyed by this fake hype which is generated when Taeja wins. Yes he does have many fans, but can we be reasonable for a moment? Game 3 was not "excellent" , Taeja did nothing genius to come back from a pretty much unwinnable situation, etc Building a narrative around this win vs Zest in the sense of Taeja still being able to win vs the best of the best seems just extremely forced considering that Zest played like shit (he lost both PvT's, to players he really shouldn't lose to, made a lot of unforced mistakes, etc) and Taeja didn't even make it out of the group. But i feel like i am flogging a dead horse at this point, i am just the "Taeja hater"  | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 11 2016 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote: Nobody is denying anything. But it should be allowed to point out that Zest played way under his usual lvl, especially in PvT. In general i am simply annoyed by this fake hype which is generated when Taeja wins. Yes he does have many fans, but can we be reasonable for a moment? Game 3 was not "excellent" , Taeja did nothing genius to come back from a pretty much unwinnable situation, etc Building a narrative around this win vs Zest in the sense of Taeja still being able to win vs the best of the best seems just extremely forced considering that Zest played like shit (he lost both PvT's, to players he really shouldn't lose to, made a lot of unforced mistakes, etc) and Taeja didn't even make it out of the group. But i feel like i am flogging a dead horse at this point, i am just the "Taeja hater" Go away. You don't belong here. Don't you even know where you're at? Let me spell it for you: TL. Stands for Taeja Lover, didn't you get the memo? + Show Spoiler + I might just get warned or banned for this lol | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
was Zest ill or something? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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stevorino
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Since foreigners don't play koreans anymore, I rarely feel invested into the outcome of a game, but there I was really cheering for Taeja to make it back from the grave and it was really fun. | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On August 11 2016 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote: Nobody is denying anything. But it should be allowed to point out that Zest played way under his usual lvl, especially in PvT. In general i am simply annoyed by this fake hype which is generated when Taeja wins. Yes he does have many fans, but can we be reasonable for a moment? Game 3 was not "excellent" , Taeja did nothing genius to come back from a pretty much unwinnable situation, etc Building a narrative around this win vs Zest in the sense of Taeja still being able to win vs the best of the best seems just extremely forced considering that Zest played like shit (he lost both PvT's, to players he really shouldn't lose to, made a lot of unforced mistakes, etc) and Taeja didn't even make it out of the group. But i feel like i am flogging a dead horse at this point, i am just the "Taeja hater" Why not let just people be happy instead of explaining them why they're wrong again and again. If it annoys you when fans have a good time, maybe you should skip the LR thread after you made your point. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
 At least he went out with dignity. That game against Zest on New Gettysburg was amazing. Easily one of the best games of the year. lolZest. One of very few candidates who I thought had a decent shot of either matching or exceeding Life and ByuL's feat of last year with at least coming close to winning both starleagues simultaneously. | ||
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
On August 11 2016 04:04 Daswollvieh wrote: Why not let just people be happy instead of explaining them why they're wrong again and again. If it annoys you when fans have a good time, maybe you should skip the LR thread after you made your point. 100 times THIS! | ||
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Deathstar
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On August 11 2016 04:04 Daswollvieh wrote: Why not let just people be happy instead of explaining them why they're wrong again and again. If it annoys you when fans have a good time, maybe you should skip the LR thread after you made your point. Maybe you should skip this discussion forum if you don't like to see people discussing things. I have heard that reddit's voting system is great for keeping the circlejerk running and they even have a sc2 forum reportedly. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 11 2016 04:04 Daswollvieh wrote: Why not let just people be happy instead of explaining them why they're wrong again and again. If it annoys you when fans have a good time, maybe you should skip the LR thread after you made your point. There is a difference between having a good time and being completely unreasonable. Didn't see it in this thread but on reddit for example some people already suggested Taeja might win this GSL because he beat Zest. WTF. And just because i am in the minority regarding this i won't stop to voice my opinion just becaue Taeja fanatics can't stand the truth in their euphoria. (does that make me a douche? maybe but i am ok with that) On August 11 2016 04:02 opisska wrote: Depends really on your metric. It wasn't a game to study the fine details of highlevel play, that is for sure. But it was enormously hype and nailbiting. And honestly the final shitstorm was an interesting example of how you can get too cocky and die for it and it was quite the comeback - yes, even when the play is not perfect, making less mistakes than your opponent is a comeback. Since foreigners don't play koreans anymore, I rarely feel invested into the outcome of a game, but there I was really cheering for Taeja to make it back from the grave and it was really fun. I would expect the rating system to be as objective as possible. That means that i vote reasonably even if my favorite player wins/loses. A good game isn't depending on which player i cheer for. I guess people disagree with this though and i think it's faulty  | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On August 11 2016 04:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: I would expect the rating system to be as objective as possible. That means that i vote reasonably even if my favorite player wins/loses. A good game isn't depending on which player i cheer for. I guess people disagree with this though and i think it's faulty Just to be clear, I would consider it good even if Taeja lost. I am just saying that the significance of the game added to the enjoyment and it's hard to deny such significance. I am even a long-standing (albeit apparently not very reknown) "Taeja hater" and have always loudly criticized the infamous GOAT ranking. Nevertheless, even I admit that the circumstances of the game were extraordinary. And it was absurdly back-and-forth on top of that. In general, most of the memorable games I ever liked were not perfect showcases of great play. I like nonstandard situations and if there are mistakes, then so be it. I think you you being overly critical to the game is also based on who was playing - the butchery of the lead was so much more painful when it was executed by Zest. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On August 11 2016 04:25 opisska wrote: Just to be clear, I would consider it good even if Taeja lost. I am just saying that the significance of the game added to the enjoyment and it's hard to deny such significance. I am even a long-standing (albeit apparently not very reknown) "Taeja hater" and have always loudly criticized the infamous GOAT ranking. Nevertheless, even I admit that the circumstances of the game were extraordinary. And it was absurdly back-and-forth on top of that. In general, most of the memorable games I ever liked were not perfect showcases of great play. I like nonstandard situations and if there are mistakes, then so be it. I think you you being overly critical to the game is also based on who was playing - the butchery of the lead was so much more painful when it was executed by Zest. Don't get me wrong here, i don't think it was a bad game. I too think that these weird games are oftentimes more exciting and enjoyable than a perfectly executed allin or something like that. I simply think that this: Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 3 Excellent Game (76) Bad Game (4) Good Game (2) Meh Game (1) 83 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 3 (Vote): Excellent Game was kinda unreasonable and 100% wouldn't have been like it if two lesser known players would have played the same exact game. Even if Zest wins it there is no way this would have been even remotely close to this. Is it the biggest deal? No. But i noticed that these polls become more and more meaningless if you just wanna have a somewhat objective opinion, not just today but in general. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On August 11 2016 04:32 The_Red_Viper wrote: Don't get me wrong here, i don't think it was a bad game. I too think that these weird games are oftentimes more exciting and enjoyable than a perfectly executed allin or something like that. I simply think that this: Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 3 Excellent Game (76) Bad Game (4) Good Game (2) Meh Game (1) 83 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 3 (Vote): Excellent Game was kinda unreasonable and 100% wouldn't have been like this if two lesser known players would have played the same exact game. Even if Zest wins it there is no way this would have been even remotely close to this. Is it the biggest deal? No. But i noticed that these polls become more and more meaningless if you just wanna have a somewhat objective opinion, not just today but in general. But what is objective measure of goodness of a game? This is meant to be entertainment, the only real measure is how entertained people are and here apparently, the answer is very. The rest is just a matter of personal taste. You can probably devise a well-researched scientific scale ... but then I would just like to refer you back to the very GOAT list we make fun of all the time to see how objective that ended up. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 10 2016 23:29 The_Red_Viper wrote: He was pretty dead until Zest decided it's a good idea to not defend a small "doomdrop" and lose his whole production because of that. That wasn't Taeja doing something amazingly intricate to come back into the game, that was Zest trying his hardest to still lose it. Zest did a warp in of Adepts to clean it up and the liberators seiged up before the warp in finished. He then warped in AGAIN and pylon got sniped. In a normal game that's enough to defend the drop, hence why Zest attacked. Obviously because the warpins failed he lost all his production, but he did TRY to defend it. | ||
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