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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
August 10 2016 18:04 GMT
#1061
On August 10 2016 19:41 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 19:40 Ej_ wrote:
On August 10 2016 19:40 Eiltonn wrote:
On August 10 2016 19:37 opisska wrote:
On August 10 2016 19:34 Eiltonn wrote:
On August 10 2016 19:33 opisska wrote:
Why does noone ever build a raven? Surely it's cheaper than endless scans.


because it needs fking starport+techlab a really unfavorable combo. i think its pretty dumb that our only detection unit is t3


Sure, losing the game is better than having to swap two buildings ... But this is a mindset that really has been there for the whole 6 years - where people just refuse to do something because it's "too expensive" and they die repeatedly because of it. Surprisingly it always affects even the pros.


Do you even play terran? xD I think there might a be a reason why pros for the last 6 years thought getting that fking raven aint worth it lol

Fantasy actually used to make it almost every TvP, but that was in HotS.

TY makes one too from time to time



There was a time in late hots where raven as soon as starport was complete was a thing before adding reactor and medivac.
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
August 10 2016 18:22 GMT
#1062
Wow... what a day. At least Taeja did something notable on his final day, what an AWESOME series. And I'm so goddamn happy for Ryung.... honestly.

I love Starcraft!!!
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 18:33:00
August 10 2016 18:31 GMT
#1063
What's with the salt levels? Great players lose games, too. And sometimes they look silly. I find it really bad style to deny someone a win they worked hard for. And what's a throw anyway? Losing deliberately by killing ones own units? If not, then it's just a loss. Mistakes were made and led to a loss. Even a 90 % win rate means 10% losses, probably with some really looking bad and some on the big stage.

Besides, making your opponent make mistakes is also a quality players can have.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 10 2016 18:40 GMT
#1064
Nobody is denying anything. But it should be allowed to point out that Zest played way under his usual lvl, especially in PvT.
In general i am simply annoyed by this fake hype which is generated when Taeja wins. Yes he does have many fans, but can we be reasonable for a moment? Game 3 was not "excellent" , Taeja did nothing genius to come back from a pretty much unwinnable situation, etc
Building a narrative around this win vs Zest in the sense of Taeja still being able to win vs the best of the best seems just extremely forced considering that Zest played like shit (he lost both PvT's, to players he really shouldn't lose to, made a lot of unforced mistakes, etc) and Taeja didn't even make it out of the group.

But i feel like i am flogging a dead horse at this point, i am just the "Taeja hater"
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
August 10 2016 18:49 GMT
#1065
On August 11 2016 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nobody is denying anything. But it should be allowed to point out that Zest played way under his usual lvl, especially in PvT.
In general i am simply annoyed by this fake hype which is generated when Taeja wins. Yes he does have many fans, but can we be reasonable for a moment? Game 3 was not "excellent" , Taeja did nothing genius to come back from a pretty much unwinnable situation, etc
Building a narrative around this win vs Zest in the sense of Taeja still being able to win vs the best of the best seems just extremely forced considering that Zest played like shit (he lost both PvT's, to players he really shouldn't lose to, made a lot of unforced mistakes, etc) and Taeja didn't even make it out of the group.

But i feel like i am flogging a dead horse at this point, i am just the "Taeja hater"


Go away. You don't belong here. Don't you even know where you're at? Let me spell it for you: TL. Stands for Taeja Lover, didn't you get the memo?

+ Show Spoiler +
I might just get warned or banned for this lol
gg no re thx
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
August 10 2016 18:49 GMT
#1066
What a fucking horrible game 3 to lose (Zest v Taeja)

was Zest ill or something?
In Inca we trust
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
August 10 2016 18:54 GMT
#1067
Thank god Ryung advanced over Taeja. Grats to him.
stevorino
Profile Joined April 2011
957 Posts
August 10 2016 18:58 GMT
#1068
what a great day, and tomorrow may even get better. ty-dark hype
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 10 2016 19:02 GMT
#1069
Depends really on your metric. It wasn't a game to study the fine details of highlevel play, that is for sure. But it was enormously hype and nailbiting. And honestly the final shitstorm was an interesting example of how you can get too cocky and die for it and it was quite the comeback - yes, even when the play is not perfect, making less mistakes than your opponent is a comeback.

Since foreigners don't play koreans anymore, I rarely feel invested into the outcome of a game, but there I was really cheering for Taeja to make it back from the grave and it was really fun.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
August 10 2016 19:04 GMT
#1070
On August 11 2016 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nobody is denying anything. But it should be allowed to point out that Zest played way under his usual lvl, especially in PvT.
In general i am simply annoyed by this fake hype which is generated when Taeja wins. Yes he does have many fans, but can we be reasonable for a moment? Game 3 was not "excellent" , Taeja did nothing genius to come back from a pretty much unwinnable situation, etc
Building a narrative around this win vs Zest in the sense of Taeja still being able to win vs the best of the best seems just extremely forced considering that Zest played like shit (he lost both PvT's, to players he really shouldn't lose to, made a lot of unforced mistakes, etc) and Taeja didn't even make it out of the group.

But i feel like i am flogging a dead horse at this point, i am just the "Taeja hater"


Why not let just people be happy instead of explaining them why they're wrong again and again. If it annoys you when fans have a good time, maybe you should skip the LR thread after you made your point.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 19:10:34
August 10 2016 19:07 GMT
#1071
Taeja

At least he went out with dignity. That game against Zest on New Gettysburg was amazing. Easily one of the best games of the year.

lolZest. One of very few candidates who I thought had a decent shot of either matching or exceeding Life and ByuL's feat of last year with at least coming close to winning both starleagues simultaneously.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
killerm12
Profile Joined November 2014
Slovakia601 Posts
August 10 2016 19:08 GMT
#1072
On August 11 2016 04:04 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nobody is denying anything. But it should be allowed to point out that Zest played way under his usual lvl, especially in PvT.
In general i am simply annoyed by this fake hype which is generated when Taeja wins. Yes he does have many fans, but can we be reasonable for a moment? Game 3 was not "excellent" , Taeja did nothing genius to come back from a pretty much unwinnable situation, etc
Building a narrative around this win vs Zest in the sense of Taeja still being able to win vs the best of the best seems just extremely forced considering that Zest played like shit (he lost both PvT's, to players he really shouldn't lose to, made a lot of unforced mistakes, etc) and Taeja didn't even make it out of the group.

But i feel like i am flogging a dead horse at this point, i am just the "Taeja hater"


Why not let just people be happy instead of explaining them why they're wrong again and again. If it annoys you when fans have a good time, maybe you should skip the LR thread after you made your point.


100 times THIS!
Byun | Neeb | Ryung | Solar | ShoWTimE | uThermal | Nerchio | TY | soO | MMA | Crank
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 10 2016 19:14 GMT
#1073
Ryung actually did it. Congrats!
rip passion
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 10 2016 19:17 GMT
#1074
On August 11 2016 04:04 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nobody is denying anything. But it should be allowed to point out that Zest played way under his usual lvl, especially in PvT.
In general i am simply annoyed by this fake hype which is generated when Taeja wins. Yes he does have many fans, but can we be reasonable for a moment? Game 3 was not "excellent" , Taeja did nothing genius to come back from a pretty much unwinnable situation, etc
Building a narrative around this win vs Zest in the sense of Taeja still being able to win vs the best of the best seems just extremely forced considering that Zest played like shit (he lost both PvT's, to players he really shouldn't lose to, made a lot of unforced mistakes, etc) and Taeja didn't even make it out of the group.

But i feel like i am flogging a dead horse at this point, i am just the "Taeja hater"


Why not let just people be happy instead of explaining them why they're wrong again and again. If it annoys you when fans have a good time, maybe you should skip the LR thread after you made your point.


Maybe you should skip this discussion forum if you don't like to see people discussing things. I have heard that reddit's voting system is great for keeping the circlejerk running and they even have a sc2 forum reportedly.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 10 2016 19:18 GMT
#1075
I still can't believe Zest didn't win the first fight in G3. I just saw a huge protoss army, and then a moshpit fight, and afterwards zest lost his entire army. Liberators are so deceiving in how fast they kill things jesus christ
rip passion
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
August 10 2016 19:18 GMT
#1076
On August 11 2016 04:04 Daswollvieh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 03:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nobody is denying anything. But it should be allowed to point out that Zest played way under his usual lvl, especially in PvT.
In general i am simply annoyed by this fake hype which is generated when Taeja wins. Yes he does have many fans, but can we be reasonable for a moment? Game 3 was not "excellent" , Taeja did nothing genius to come back from a pretty much unwinnable situation, etc
Building a narrative around this win vs Zest in the sense of Taeja still being able to win vs the best of the best seems just extremely forced considering that Zest played like shit (he lost both PvT's, to players he really shouldn't lose to, made a lot of unforced mistakes, etc) and Taeja didn't even make it out of the group.

But i feel like i am flogging a dead horse at this point, i am just the "Taeja hater"


Why not let just people be happy instead of explaining them why they're wrong again and again. If it annoys you when fans have a good time, maybe you should skip the LR thread after you made your point.

There is a difference between having a good time and being completely unreasonable. Didn't see it in this thread but on reddit for example some people already suggested Taeja might win this GSL because he beat Zest. WTF.
And just because i am in the minority regarding this i won't stop to voice my opinion just becaue Taeja fanatics can't stand the truth in their euphoria. (does that make me a douche? maybe but i am ok with that)

On August 11 2016 04:02 opisska wrote:
Depends really on your metric. It wasn't a game to study the fine details of highlevel play, that is for sure. But it was enormously hype and nailbiting. And honestly the final shitstorm was an interesting example of how you can get too cocky and die for it and it was quite the comeback - yes, even when the play is not perfect, making less mistakes than your opponent is a comeback.

Since foreigners don't play koreans anymore, I rarely feel invested into the outcome of a game, but there I was really cheering for Taeja to make it back from the grave and it was really fun.


I would expect the rating system to be as objective as possible. That means that i vote reasonably even if my favorite player wins/loses. A good game isn't depending on which player i cheer for.
I guess people disagree with this though and i think it's faulty
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 10 2016 19:25 GMT
#1077
On August 11 2016 04:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 04:02 opisska wrote:
Depends really on your metric. It wasn't a game to study the fine details of highlevel play, that is for sure. But it was enormously hype and nailbiting. And honestly the final shitstorm was an interesting example of how you can get too cocky and die for it and it was quite the comeback - yes, even when the play is not perfect, making less mistakes than your opponent is a comeback.

Since foreigners don't play koreans anymore, I rarely feel invested into the outcome of a game, but there I was really cheering for Taeja to make it back from the grave and it was really fun.


I would expect the rating system to be as objective as possible. That means that i vote reasonably even if my favorite player wins/loses. A good game isn't depending on which player i cheer for.
I guess people disagree with this though and i think it's faulty


Just to be clear, I would consider it good even if Taeja lost. I am just saying that the significance of the game added to the enjoyment and it's hard to deny such significance. I am even a long-standing (albeit apparently not very reknown) "Taeja hater" and have always loudly criticized the infamous GOAT ranking. Nevertheless, even I admit that the circumstances of the game were extraordinary. And it was absurdly back-and-forth on top of that.

In general, most of the memorable games I ever liked were not perfect showcases of great play. I like nonstandard situations and if there are mistakes, then so be it. I think you you being overly critical to the game is also based on who was playing - the butchery of the lead was so much more painful when it was executed by Zest.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 19:34:41
August 10 2016 19:32 GMT
#1078
On August 11 2016 04:25 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 04:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:

On August 11 2016 04:02 opisska wrote:
Depends really on your metric. It wasn't a game to study the fine details of highlevel play, that is for sure. But it was enormously hype and nailbiting. And honestly the final shitstorm was an interesting example of how you can get too cocky and die for it and it was quite the comeback - yes, even when the play is not perfect, making less mistakes than your opponent is a comeback.

Since foreigners don't play koreans anymore, I rarely feel invested into the outcome of a game, but there I was really cheering for Taeja to make it back from the grave and it was really fun.


I would expect the rating system to be as objective as possible. That means that i vote reasonably even if my favorite player wins/loses. A good game isn't depending on which player i cheer for.
I guess people disagree with this though and i think it's faulty


Just to be clear, I would consider it good even if Taeja lost. I am just saying that the significance of the game added to the enjoyment and it's hard to deny such significance. I am even a long-standing (albeit apparently not very reknown) "Taeja hater" and have always loudly criticized the infamous GOAT ranking. Nevertheless, even I admit that the circumstances of the game were extraordinary. And it was absurdly back-and-forth on top of that.

In general, most of the memorable games I ever liked were not perfect showcases of great play. I like nonstandard situations and if there are mistakes, then so be it. I think you you being overly critical to the game is also based on who was playing - the butchery of the lead was so much more painful when it was executed by Zest.

Don't get me wrong here, i don't think it was a bad game. I too think that these weird games are oftentimes more exciting and enjoyable than a perfectly executed allin or something like that.
I simply think that this:
Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 3

Excellent Game (76)
 
92%

Bad Game (4)
 
5%

Good Game (2)
 
2%

Meh Game (1)
 
1%

83 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 3

(Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game


was kinda unreasonable and 100% wouldn't have been like it if two lesser known players would have played the same exact game. Even if Zest wins it there is no way this would have been even remotely close to this.
Is it the biggest deal? No. But i noticed that these polls become more and more meaningless if you just wanna have a somewhat objective opinion, not just today but in general.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
August 10 2016 19:36 GMT
#1079
On August 11 2016 04:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 04:25 opisska wrote:
On August 11 2016 04:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:

On August 11 2016 04:02 opisska wrote:
Depends really on your metric. It wasn't a game to study the fine details of highlevel play, that is for sure. But it was enormously hype and nailbiting. And honestly the final shitstorm was an interesting example of how you can get too cocky and die for it and it was quite the comeback - yes, even when the play is not perfect, making less mistakes than your opponent is a comeback.

Since foreigners don't play koreans anymore, I rarely feel invested into the outcome of a game, but there I was really cheering for Taeja to make it back from the grave and it was really fun.


I would expect the rating system to be as objective as possible. That means that i vote reasonably even if my favorite player wins/loses. A good game isn't depending on which player i cheer for.
I guess people disagree with this though and i think it's faulty


Just to be clear, I would consider it good even if Taeja lost. I am just saying that the significance of the game added to the enjoyment and it's hard to deny such significance. I am even a long-standing (albeit apparently not very reknown) "Taeja hater" and have always loudly criticized the infamous GOAT ranking. Nevertheless, even I admit that the circumstances of the game were extraordinary. And it was absurdly back-and-forth on top of that.

In general, most of the memorable games I ever liked were not perfect showcases of great play. I like nonstandard situations and if there are mistakes, then so be it. I think you you being overly critical to the game is also based on who was playing - the butchery of the lead was so much more painful when it was executed by Zest.

Don't get me wrong here, i don't think it was a bad game. I too think that these weird games are oftentimes more exciting and enjoyable than a perfectly executed allin or something like that.
I simply think that this:
Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 3

Excellent Game (76)
 
92%

Bad Game (4)
 
5%

Good Game (2)
 
2%

Meh Game (1)
 
1%

83 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 3

(Vote): Excellent Game
(Vote): Good Game
(Vote): Meh Game
(Vote): Bad Game


was kinda unreasonable and 100% wouldn't have been like this if two lesser known players would have played the same exact game. Even if Zest wins it there is no way this would have been even remotely close to this.
Is it the biggest deal? No. But i noticed that these polls become more and more meaningless if you just wanna have a somewhat objective opinion, not just today but in general.


But what is objective measure of goodness of a game? This is meant to be entertainment, the only real measure is how entertained people are and here apparently, the answer is very. The rest is just a matter of personal taste. You can probably devise a well-researched scientific scale ... but then I would just like to refer you back to the very GOAT list we make fun of all the time to see how objective that ended up.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
August 10 2016 19:36 GMT
#1080
On August 10 2016 23:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 23:15 stuchiu wrote:
I enjoy watching these ppl think Teaja is dead in game3.

He was pretty dead until Zest decided it's a good idea to not defend a small "doomdrop" and lose his whole production because of that.
That wasn't Taeja doing something amazingly intricate to come back into the game, that was Zest trying his hardest to still lose it.


Zest did a warp in of Adepts to clean it up and the liberators seiged up before the warp in finished.
He then warped in AGAIN and pylon got sniped.
In a normal game that's enough to defend the drop, hence why Zest attacked. Obviously because the warpins failed he lost all his production, but he did TRY to defend it.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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