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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
May 14 2016 14:49 GMT
#1041
On May 14 2016 23:48 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 23:47 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:46 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:44 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:42 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:36 Poopi wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:32 NarutO wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:29 Poopi wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 NarutO wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:19 Makro wrote:
at the end of the day that was an admin decision, you can't hate polt for this



fnatic had to give up her game vs LDLC when they abused pixelboosts with olof on Overpass. I believe the "anti ladder statemate" timer shouldnt be a WCS rule and is not in the rulebook, is it? Polt could have agreed that it was a loss as it was. He would have lost the marines + building. In my book; bad admin call and worse decision by Polt to take the rematch.

Simply not very mannered.

Wtf it's not about manners, it's a legitimate strategy (the only one available for Polt) to play for a draw. It was still super easy for Strange to win it but he was too scared to do it.
If you want people not to play for draws you actually have to state it beforehands or change or the game is designed.

You could say "hey this guy is not very mannered because he takes a strong race" but it's not a matter of manners it's a matter of integrity / trying to win.
If Polt forfeited it would have been like a fix because he earned the right to do a rematch.


Seemingly you dont understand. The game wasn't won to begin with when the situation occured. If Strange rushed it, he could have very well lost it. So saying "Strange was too slow to generate the win" is uncalled for as the result might have been a Polt victory to begin with.

Its beautiful to see someone work for a win and take risks etc, but forcing a draw mechanically on a player after he won is kind of pointless. I cant change the situation but I pretty much can guarantee that there won't be a draw-timer in the custom games after Tours.

How come?
He just had to bring two void rays instead of one in order to destroy the factory, since anyways his immortal sentry adept force was enough to defend the assimilators. Plus Polt had no idea if he still had those near assimilators.
It was like 95% won for Strange, if you are bad enough not to win in that case you don't deserve the victory.

gratz on forgetting players don't have maphacks.

He knew where the buildings are but not the army. But near the end of the game, there was that situation where he was keeping the army busy with stalkers while 1 voidray attacked the factory. It was almost dead so it got killed before the factory started burning. If he used the full health one, or even both, he would have won right then. Strange dun fucked up.

for all he knew Polt could've had 2 full medivacs only waiting for the voidray to leave to go snipe the assimilators.

He knew it was Polt's entire army. Besides, his assimilators were not undefended, 2 voidrays kill a factory faster than a drop that has to unload and go through a bunch of adepts and an immortal kill 2 assimilators.

But players don't have maphacks uur duur

incredible quality posting, I applaud
Michael Probu
polpot
Profile Joined April 2012
3002 Posts
May 14 2016 14:49 GMT
#1042
Embarassing lose for Bly lol
Medivh
Profile Joined January 2016
2 Posts
May 14 2016 14:49 GMT
#1043
#Strange Won vs POlt see replay 5th game strange WON SEE!!!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 14 2016 14:50 GMT
#1044
DUNKED
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 14:52:51
May 14 2016 14:50 GMT
#1045
On May 14 2016 23:48 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 23:47 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:46 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:44 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:42 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:36 Poopi wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:32 NarutO wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:29 Poopi wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 NarutO wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:19 Makro wrote:
at the end of the day that was an admin decision, you can't hate polt for this



fnatic had to give up her game vs LDLC when they abused pixelboosts with olof on Overpass. I believe the "anti ladder statemate" timer shouldnt be a WCS rule and is not in the rulebook, is it? Polt could have agreed that it was a loss as it was. He would have lost the marines + building. In my book; bad admin call and worse decision by Polt to take the rematch.

Simply not very mannered.

Wtf it's not about manners, it's a legitimate strategy (the only one available for Polt) to play for a draw. It was still super easy for Strange to win it but he was too scared to do it.
If you want people not to play for draws you actually have to state it beforehands or change or the game is designed.

You could say "hey this guy is not very mannered because he takes a strong race" but it's not a matter of manners it's a matter of integrity / trying to win.
If Polt forfeited it would have been like a fix because he earned the right to do a rematch.


Seemingly you dont understand. The game wasn't won to begin with when the situation occured. If Strange rushed it, he could have very well lost it. So saying "Strange was too slow to generate the win" is uncalled for as the result might have been a Polt victory to begin with.

Its beautiful to see someone work for a win and take risks etc, but forcing a draw mechanically on a player after he won is kind of pointless. I cant change the situation but I pretty much can guarantee that there won't be a draw-timer in the custom games after Tours.

How come?
He just had to bring two void rays instead of one in order to destroy the factory, since anyways his immortal sentry adept force was enough to defend the assimilators. Plus Polt had no idea if he still had those near assimilators.
It was like 95% won for Strange, if you are bad enough not to win in that case you don't deserve the victory.

gratz on forgetting players don't have maphacks.

He knew where the buildings are but not the army. But near the end of the game, there was that situation where he was keeping the army busy with stalkers while 1 voidray attacked the factory. It was almost dead so it got killed before the factory started burning. If he used the full health one, or even both, he would have won right then. Strange dun fucked up.

for all he knew Polt could've had 2 full medivacs only waiting for the voidray to leave to go snipe the assimilators.

He knew it was Polt's entire army. Besides, his assimilators were not undefended, 2 voidrays kill a factory faster than a drop that has to unload and go through a bunch of adepts and an immortal kill 2 assimilators.

how in the hell was he supposed to know if it was his entire army?

Well firstly, because he killed everything else and knows Polt can't rebuild it. But also because if Polt had 2 more full medivacs, he would be using them for something in the situation he was in. Either trying to snipe units/buildings, or defending his last remaining buildings. But Polt was only defending his buildings with 1 squad of units, and he was only killing buildings with that 1 squad of units aswell.

Plus his voidrays covered half the map, you'd figure he'd run into units eventually if they exist.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ossavi09
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany441 Posts
May 14 2016 14:50 GMT
#1046
Cham is probably in the top3 "worst players" (not meant offensive) in the tournament by raw skill, but he seems to be the only pro who is not that stupid to be surprised by bly playing aggressive... I wish other players would be that clever too, maybe he should work as teampsychologist/coach
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
May 14 2016 14:51 GMT
#1047
Hmm looks like twitch chat just invaded TL...
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
May 14 2016 14:52 GMT
#1048
That was quality bullshit from Cham
JudicatorAldaris
Profile Joined May 2016
2 Posts
May 14 2016 14:53 GMT
#1049
#StrangeWon Such fair decision from DH organizers! Russian community thanks you...
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
May 14 2016 14:53 GMT
#1050
On May 14 2016 23:50 ossavi09 wrote:
Cham is probably in the top3 "worst players" (not meant offensive) in the tournament by raw skill, but he seems to be the only pro who is not that stupid to be surprised by bly playing aggressive... I wish other players would be that clever too, maybe he should work as teampsychologist/coach

Generally I feel like it is the responsibility of "worse"or "unheard of" players to be fully aware of his/her opponents as that is the only advantage such a player has...
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 14 2016 14:53 GMT
#1051
On May 14 2016 23:38 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 23:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:33 Cricketer12 wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:28 Elentos wrote:
Incontrol & Tosis on the B-stream? Sounds really dank.


Obligatory:


Second best SotG moment of all time


What's your #1 favorite? Mine is the bunker bank, when Gretorp has no clue wtf is going on:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LhRjP7IQa7c
Artosis and his webcam. HuK's laughing seals the deal.


this is fucking hilarious
maru lover forever
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13022 Posts
May 14 2016 14:53 GMT
#1052
On May 14 2016 23:50 ossavi09 wrote:
Cham is probably in the top3 "worst players" (not meant offensive) in the tournament by raw skill, but he seems to be the only pro who is not that stupid to be surprised by bly playing aggressive... I wish other players would be that clever too, maybe he should work as teampsychologist/coach

Bly is worse than Cham tho
WriterMaru
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
May 14 2016 14:53 GMT
#1053
On May 14 2016 23:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 23:48 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:47 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:46 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:44 Elentos wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:42 juvenal wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:36 Poopi wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:32 NarutO wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:29 Poopi wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:23 NarutO wrote:
[quote]


fnatic had to give up her game vs LDLC when they abused pixelboosts with olof on Overpass. I believe the "anti ladder statemate" timer shouldnt be a WCS rule and is not in the rulebook, is it? Polt could have agreed that it was a loss as it was. He would have lost the marines + building. In my book; bad admin call and worse decision by Polt to take the rematch.

Simply not very mannered.

Wtf it's not about manners, it's a legitimate strategy (the only one available for Polt) to play for a draw. It was still super easy for Strange to win it but he was too scared to do it.
If you want people not to play for draws you actually have to state it beforehands or change or the game is designed.

You could say "hey this guy is not very mannered because he takes a strong race" but it's not a matter of manners it's a matter of integrity / trying to win.
If Polt forfeited it would have been like a fix because he earned the right to do a rematch.


Seemingly you dont understand. The game wasn't won to begin with when the situation occured. If Strange rushed it, he could have very well lost it. So saying "Strange was too slow to generate the win" is uncalled for as the result might have been a Polt victory to begin with.

Its beautiful to see someone work for a win and take risks etc, but forcing a draw mechanically on a player after he won is kind of pointless. I cant change the situation but I pretty much can guarantee that there won't be a draw-timer in the custom games after Tours.

How come?
He just had to bring two void rays instead of one in order to destroy the factory, since anyways his immortal sentry adept force was enough to defend the assimilators. Plus Polt had no idea if he still had those near assimilators.
It was like 95% won for Strange, if you are bad enough not to win in that case you don't deserve the victory.

gratz on forgetting players don't have maphacks.

He knew where the buildings are but not the army. But near the end of the game, there was that situation where he was keeping the army busy with stalkers while 1 voidray attacked the factory. It was almost dead so it got killed before the factory started burning. If he used the full health one, or even both, he would have won right then. Strange dun fucked up.

for all he knew Polt could've had 2 full medivacs only waiting for the voidray to leave to go snipe the assimilators.

He knew it was Polt's entire army. Besides, his assimilators were not undefended, 2 voidrays kill a factory faster than a drop that has to unload and go through a bunch of adepts and an immortal kill 2 assimilators.

how in the hell was he supposed to know if it was his entire army?

Well firstly, because he killed everything else and knows Polt can't rebuild it. But also because if Polt had 2 more full medivacs, he would be using them for something in the situation he was in. Either trying to snipe units, or defending his last remaining buildings. But Polt was only defending his buildings with 1 squad of units.

nah, you're wrong on this one. "He killed everything else" - that's just saying the same, how would he know if he had killed "everything else"? Besides, Polt defending the fac with his tiny force looked suspiciously close to him baiting the attack to go kill the unguarded assimilators.
Michael Probu
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 14 2016 14:53 GMT
#1054
On May 14 2016 23:52 fezvez wrote:
That was quality bullshit from Cham

dunno man, he just held the all-in very well and then went for it. Clean game and wp.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13022 Posts
May 14 2016 14:54 GMT
#1055
On May 14 2016 23:53 JudicatorAldaris wrote:
#StrangeWon Such fair decision from DH organizers! Russian community thanks you...

You are welcome it's the game decision not the organizers by the way.
WriterMaru
Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore910 Posts
May 14 2016 14:54 GMT
#1056
man who is cham guy,

he is almost getting to the creative level of dr. dario.
Hit me up if you need chinese translations. soO fighting !!
resoLVer1.0
Profile Joined October 2011
Russian Federation125 Posts
May 14 2016 14:54 GMT
#1057
Didnt see any notice in the comments about it, so i'll just add some more fuel: Polt in fact lost a building around 4:20 before the tie, but the timer didn't reset because it wasn't the opponent who destroyed it (it died to a burn damage https://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2b/v/66349969 3:40:20). So ye, this game exhibited everything there is about forced tie mechanics. Strange is strange indeed, but one can't deny that everything was going wrong for him in this game. :D
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
May 14 2016 14:55 GMT
#1058
On May 14 2016 23:53 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2016 23:38 Cricketer12 wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:33 Cricketer12 wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:28 Elentos wrote:
Incontrol & Tosis on the B-stream? Sounds really dank.


Obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG9NMWFaNxM

Second best SotG moment of all time


What's your #1 favorite? Mine is the bunker bank, when Gretorp has no clue wtf is going on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE-K-s0sBTM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LhRjP7IQa7c
Artosis and his webcam. HuK's laughing seals the deal.


this is fucking hilarious

One of the highlights of esports. Others being chobra day9 and apollo's soulkey interview and first v life.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
May 14 2016 14:55 GMT
#1059
Great investment on that robo bay and those 2 disruptors -_-
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
May 14 2016 14:56 GMT
#1060
On May 14 2016 23:54 resoLVer1.0 wrote:
Didnt see any notice in the comments about it, so i'll just add some more fuel: Polt in fact lost a building around 4:20 before the tie, but the timer didn't reset because it wasn't the opponent who destroyed it (it died to a burn damage https://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacksc2b/v/66349969 3:40:20). So ye, this game exhibited everything there is about forced tie mechanics. Strange is strange indeed, but one can't deny that everything was going wrong for him in this game. :D



WHAAAAAAAAAT man Strange is so unlucky
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