EPT[GSL] Code S Season 1 2016 - Semifinal 2 - Page 19
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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On April 22 2016 21:59 Shellshock wrote: Zest is just so good. so lame that Maru got this guy in Code A Yep, especially because Maru might be the best Terran atm or at least close. That shows that the Code A system is quite bad atm :/ Afreeca should change it | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8312 Posts
Is this the most dominant GSL run since Neatea's perfect tournament? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 22 2016 22:12 TheDougler wrote: So Zest has only dropped one game this GSL season. Is this the most dominant GSL run since Neatea's perfect tournament? Stuchiu probably would know this without checking, lol I would guess that's the case though and in a way more competitive era that is! | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14000 Posts
On April 22 2016 22:55 The_Red_Viper wrote: Stuchiu probably would know this without checking, lol I would guess that's the case though and in a way more competitive era that is! If dominant means win rate then yes it is | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Silvana's banners are always really good. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 22 2016 22:58 Cricketer12 wrote: If dominant means win rate then yes it is Well not just that, but it doesn't feel like he could lose for the most part. His games are amazing to watch, i bet pretty much any protoss would have lost the first game today after going for that proxy. Zest still won. I am a little bit sorry for "being an annoying Zest fanboy" but sorry not sorry  On April 22 2016 23:03 IntoTheheart wrote: Silvana's banners are always really good. Totally agreed! Now i have high expectations for the finals banner :D | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On April 22 2016 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote: Well not just that, but it doesn't feel like he could lose for the most part. His games are amazing to watch, i bet pretty much any protoss would have lost the first game today after going for that proxy. Zest still won. I am a little bit sorry for "being an annoying Zest fanboy" but sorry not sorry Totally agreed! Now i have high expectations for the finals banner :D Although I wouldn't be stunned if they went with this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/467600-wcs-eu-ro16-group-c-season-3-2014 | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Relative to their eras I'd put this above Nestea's run, below Mvp's August run and Inno's 2013 GSL S1 run (Yes i know he got 2nd, he also beat players #7-#3 on the way to the finals hard). If you want to include online there is also Taeja's IPL TAC 3. If you want to include over an extended period of time for over a 4 month period of time this isn't anything compared to Life (both 2012 and 2014/2015), Inno 2013, Zest 2014, Mvp 2011, Nestea 2011, Taeja 2013 or 2014. There are plenty of other players I can include in this category as well, those are just the first ones to pop up in my head. It's just not possible with the current system to have as strong a run unless you win both Starleagues. | ||
Poopi
France12971 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18678 Posts
Taeja Ro8, Dear PvP Ro4 and now a teammate in finals. Only his win vs soO is noteworthy | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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On April 22 2016 23:55 Poopi wrote: Mvp's run in January (3-0 Trickster, 3-1 Nestea and 4-0 MKP) was huge as well You guys are for real? At the time the tournaments weren't nearly as competitive. Why is noone factoring that in? That's actually extremely important. I don't mean the skill level btw, that would be extremely trivial, i am talking about professionalism and how hard it is to get to the top. On April 22 2016 23:59 sharkie wrote: Zest's run has been quite easy so far. Taeja Ro8, Dear PvP Ro4 and now a teammate in finals. Only his win vs soO is noteworthy Yeah Maru already in Code A was easy as well, Dear in PvP apparently not noteworthy. Cure is a scrub as well. Sry but your opinion is ridiculous. On April 23 2016 00:01 stuchiu wrote: It's mostly depressing to me since I think Zest could be as skilled as Mvp 2011, Inno 2013, Life 2014/2015, but he can't match the results because of the system in place. You always ignore proleague (while valuing Taeja's IPL TAC 3). Lvl of competetiveness isn't really valued either. But yeah sure Zest cannot go and win some weekend tournaments with lesser competition. He could win the cross finals though. He could do well in the next SSL/GSL and in proleague. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
It's not like this era is he most competitive era of SC2 ever. A lot of great/good players have fallen off or retired. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Noone knows who really innovated, we simply see a player using it effectively in live games. For all we know Catz invented all the buildorders in sc2 and gave them to koreans over skype. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_DreamHack_Open/Winter http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_IX_-_Taipei Those players are not shit. And I hand count every player in every tournament in every run. Next. | ||
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Poopi
France12971 Posts
On April 23 2016 00:11 The_Red_Viper wrote: You guys are for real? At the time the tournaments weren't nearly as competitive. Why is noone factoring that in? That's actually extremely important. I don't mean the skill level btw, that would be extremely trivial, i am talking about professionalism and how hard it is to get to the top. Yeah Maru already in Code A was easy as well, Dear in PvP apparently not noteworthy. Cure is a scrub as well. Sry but your opinion is ridiculous. You always ignore proleague (while valuing Taeja's IPL TAC 3). Lvl of competetiveness isn't really valued either. But yeah sure Zest cannot go and win some weekend tournaments with lesser competition. He could win the cross finals though. He could do well in the next SSL/GSL and in proleague. I find competition fiercer back in the days than nowadays lol. Almost nobody is playing the game anymore in Korea. Maybe when every BW team switched to I think HotS? it was the hardest level of competition but LotV is not. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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In a starleague there are the best players in the world, every single season. The lvl of the player field is simply way, way higher than that of any Dreamhack or IEM. That's a factor as well, not only the road a player had to go in any given tournament. Your way of saying "he beat top 10 Z here and top 5 T there" misses that in GSL when an upset happens and a "worse player" beats "a better one" that usually means that the "worse player" simply prepared extremely well and played out of his mind. Starleagues are that competitive these days, almost anyone playing there actually has a chance of winning it. (there are still favorites ofc) You also don't answer my statement. Why do you ignore proleague for the most part but value Taeja's TAC3 run? It makes little sense to me. It may very well be that i undervalue it a bit, it still was in a less competitive time and a good part was online iirc. On April 23 2016 00:30 Poopi wrote: I find competition fiercer back in the days than nowadays lol. Almost nobody is playing the game anymore in Korea. Maybe when every BW team switched to I think HotS? it was the hardest level of competition but LotV is not. Sure after Kespa switched and players had enough time to actually play the game it probably was more competitve. But i would argue that the difference to that isn't nearly as big as the difference from now to Wol. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
The only time I ever talk about Taeja's IPL TAC run is when the topic of best run ever done is brought up. Same players play in weekenders as they play in GSL. Not all of them, but a lot of them did in the past. But if you want to somehow say a 6-2 round in PL and a cross finals is somehow better than Blizcon, SSL Top 4, DH WInter 2nd, IEM 1st and Life's 5-4 in PL go ahead. | ||
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