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On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine  lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what?
no... that's not irony. i'm not sure what makes you describe it as "irony"
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On March 11 2016 20:33 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. it's kind of you to help this nerchio guy understand how the game works
We saw Classic destroyed by lurkers several times  And he had chargelot immo archon. Probably not a-moving enough 
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On March 11 2016 20:34 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:30 Elentos wrote:
So Dear advanced 4-0 as I expected. Any good games? Just caught the tail end of him killing soO. First game vs soO was real good IMO, secong not bad either. The games vs DRG were 1 sided stomps and meh. I was fully expecting soO to beat Dear btw.
lol
A fist fight is the only thing soO can beat Dear in
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On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/707206244923265024 lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what?
Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and timing attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong.
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On March 11 2016 20:34 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:33 brickrd wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. it's kind of you to help this nerchio guy understand how the game works We saw Classic destroyed by lurkers several times And he had chargelot immo archon. Probably not a-moving enough it's always funny to me when people are raging so hard over their balance arguments that even a post with zero commentary on balance is treated as part of the argument
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On March 11 2016 20:34 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/707206244923265024 lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what? Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and tming attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong.
So what? Blizzard stated they want interesting map pool, not a standard one. Under such conditions Zerg is good and there will be no macro play(also it's kinda funny that 3base vs. 3base isn't macro game anymore)
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On March 11 2016 20:35 Elentos wrote:
WTF Pizzamaru?
yes
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On March 11 2016 20:37 Penev wrote:yes
I hope they sponsor an SC2 team that goes to Proleague and they start a sick rivalry with MVP Chickenmaru.
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On March 11 2016 20:35 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:34 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:33 brickrd wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. it's kind of you to help this nerchio guy understand how the game works We saw Classic destroyed by lurkers several times And he had chargelot immo archon. Probably not a-moving enough it's always funny to me when people are raging so hard over their balance arguments that even a post with zero commentary on balance is treated as part of the argument
Not sure why you are quoting me then. I am not the one arguing balance here. I am just pointing out some flaws in their arguments. If immortal/archon/chargelot is so strong vs. lurkers with just a-move(Nerchio's words) how could Classic lose to lurkers?
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On March 11 2016 20:34 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/707206244923265024 lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what? Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and timing attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong.
protoss being fine in lategame and protoss always winning in lategame is quite a difference.
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On March 11 2016 20:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:37 Penev wrote:On March 11 2016 20:35 Elentos wrote:
WTF Pizzamaru? yes I hope they sponsor an SC2 team that goes to Proleague and they start a sick rivalry with MVP Chickenmaru.
Pizza vs Chicken food fight will rival the SKT vs KT feud
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On March 11 2016 20:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:37 Penev wrote:On March 11 2016 20:35 Elentos wrote:
WTF Pizzamaru? yes I hope they sponsor an SC2 team that goes to Proleague and they start a sick rivalry with MVP Chickenmaru.
And once, Maru will sponsor his own team and will call it Maru Pizza & Chicken.
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I am rewatching ZEST VS DARK right now.Wonder how Dark so trade so cost effect even in late game.He only die because warp in.
Lurker is positional unit.Not a set and forget unit.
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On March 11 2016 20:36 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:34 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/707206244923265024 lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what? Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and tming attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong. So what? Blizzard stated they want interesting map pool, not a standard one. Under such conditions Zerg is good and there will be no macro play(also it's kinda funny that 3base vs. 3base isn't macro game anymore)
What do you meant with "so what?"?
I don't have a big point, I'm just describing the state of the game. Zerg still owns Protoss most of the time, since they just own the early until mid game. I just observed how good Dear is at surviving this stage, so I said soO was in trouble.
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On March 11 2016 20:38 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:37 Elentos wrote:On March 11 2016 20:37 Penev wrote:On March 11 2016 20:35 Elentos wrote:
WTF Pizzamaru? yes I hope they sponsor an SC2 team that goes to Proleague and they start a sick rivalry with MVP Chickenmaru. Pizza vs Chicken food fight will rival the SKT vs KT feud
"what about those chickens yesterday huh?'
"meh, I'm more of a pizzaguy anyway"
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On March 11 2016 20:38 seemsgood wrote:
I am rewatching ZEST VS DARK right now.Wonder how Dark so trade so cost effect even in late game.He only die because warp in.
Lurker is positional unit.Not a set and forget unit.
Dark lost that game because he had no money because Zest killed every base he tried to take.
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Who knows, where do they show the line up for Monday's Proleague? It should be already out, right?
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