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On March 11 2016 20:38 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:37 Elentos wrote:On March 11 2016 20:37 Penev wrote:On March 11 2016 20:35 Elentos wrote:
WTF Pizzamaru? yes I hope they sponsor an SC2 team that goes to Proleague and they start a sick rivalry with MVP Chickenmaru. And once, Maru will sponsor his own team and will call it Maru Pizza & Chicken.
And that will start his rivalry with Fruitdealer.
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Cute move by the Dong 
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regardless of balance, I think pvz is really dull at the moment. Every game zerg does a lurker push and either the protoss breaks through the contain and wins or loses all his units and loses.
HotS PvZ was 1000 times better.
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On March 11 2016 20:38 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:34 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine  lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what? Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and timing attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong. protoss being fine in lategame and protoss always winning in lategame is quite a difference.
Never said Protoss always wins in the late game, I'm sure TLO also did not mean that. They just have the advantage, while Zerg has the early to midgame advantage. That's how sc2 is designed, assymetrical. I never once complained about balance, why is everybody getting so excited .
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Elentos
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On March 11 2016 20:40 Diabolique wrote:
Who knows, where do they show the line up for Monday's Proleague? It should be already out, right?
Oh so I'm not around and suddenly nobody makes the thread even though I link the source every time?
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On March 11 2016 20:41 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:40 Diabolique wrote:
Who knows, where do they show the line up for Monday's Proleague? It should be already out, right? Oh so I'm not around and suddenly nobody makes the thread even though I link the source every time?
You are important, how does that feel?!
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Oh man, they make a good map and then this gas at DRGs base gets me off. You need 4 drones for maximun and it is really far away from the main. They need to move it one up
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On March 11 2016 20:39 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:36 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:34 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:15 Musicus wrote:
soO plays very timing attack focued and Dear just seems able to defend it, once that happens the Protoss army beats everything on the ground.
So either soO has a cheese or a broolord transition style prepared or it looks bad. soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/707206244923265024 lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what? Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and tming attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong. So what? Blizzard stated they want interesting map pool, not a standard one. Under such conditions Zerg is good and there will be no macro play(also it's kinda funny that 3base vs. 3base isn't macro game anymore) What do you meant with "so what?"? I don't have a big point, I'm just describing the state of the game. Zerg still owns Protoss most of the time, since they just own the early until mid game. I just observed how good Dear is at surviving this stage, so I said soO was in trouble.
So Zergs own Protoss in early game, the game cannot proceeds into late game yet Zergs are concerned about Protoss late game. After a tournament where most of the players were zergs. I just don't get this whine from TLO. IEM was so Zerg heavy and he whines. That's like Protoss players whining during the blink era about PvT. Rain was almost crucified for it but hey, this is TLO, right?
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Elentos
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On March 11 2016 20:42 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:41 Elentos wrote:On March 11 2016 20:40 Diabolique wrote:
Who knows, where do they show the line up for Monday's Proleague? It should be already out, right? Oh so I'm not around and suddenly nobody makes the thread even though I link the source every time? You are important, how does that feel?!
Like people are lazy 
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On March 11 2016 20:42 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:39 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:36 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:34 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:
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soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/707206244923265024 lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what? Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and tming attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong. So what? Blizzard stated they want interesting map pool, not a standard one. Under such conditions Zerg is good and there will be no macro play(also it's kinda funny that 3base vs. 3base isn't macro game anymore) What do you meant with "so what?"? I don't have a big point, I'm just describing the state of the game. Zerg still owns Protoss most of the time, since they just own the early until mid game. I just observed how good Dear is at surviving this stage, so I said soO was in trouble. So Zergs own Protoss in early game, the game cannot proceeds into late game yet Zergs are concerned about Protoss late game. After a tournament where most of the players were zergs. I just don't get this whine from TLO. IEM was so Zerg heavy and he whines. That's like Protoss players whining during the blink era about PvT. Rain was almost crucified for it but hey, this is TLO, right?
Maybe he isn't whining
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On March 11 2016 20:42 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:39 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:36 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:34 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:18 Salteador Neo wrote:
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soO just bashed his head in with just hydra/roach/ravager, and Dear just barely hold the first push. He could make lurkers, they beat everything on the ground against protoss. Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/707206244923265024 lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what? Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and tming attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong. So what? Blizzard stated they want interesting map pool, not a standard one. Under such conditions Zerg is good and there will be no macro play(also it's kinda funny that 3base vs. 3base isn't macro game anymore) What do you meant with "so what?"? I don't have a big point, I'm just describing the state of the game. Zerg still owns Protoss most of the time, since they just own the early until mid game. I just observed how good Dear is at surviving this stage, so I said soO was in trouble. So Zergs own Protoss in early game, the game cannot proceeds into late game yet Zergs are concerned about Protoss late game. After a tournament where most of the players were zergs. I just don't get this whine from TLO. IEM was so Zerg heavy and he whines. That's like Protoss players whining during the blink era about PvT. Rain was almost crucified for it but hey, this is TLO, right?
It was no whine, if you can't see that I can't help you. He was only stating how it is. He did not say whether that's good or bad or who this situation favours. In my opinion it favours zerg, mainly due to the maps.
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On March 11 2016 20:43 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:42 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:39 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:36 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:34 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:
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Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/707206244923265024 lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what? Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and tming attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong. So what? Blizzard stated they want interesting map pool, not a standard one. Under such conditions Zerg is good and there will be no macro play(also it's kinda funny that 3base vs. 3base isn't macro game anymore) What do you meant with "so what?"? I don't have a big point, I'm just describing the state of the game. Zerg still owns Protoss most of the time, since they just own the early until mid game. I just observed how good Dear is at surviving this stage, so I said soO was in trouble. So Zergs own Protoss in early game, the game cannot proceeds into late game yet Zergs are concerned about Protoss late game. After a tournament where most of the players were zergs. I just don't get this whine from TLO. IEM was so Zerg heavy and he whines. That's like Protoss players whining during the blink era about PvT. Rain was almost crucified for it but hey, this is TLO, right? Maybe he isn't whining
more like design-whine^^
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On March 11 2016 20:43 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:42 opisska wrote:On March 11 2016 20:41 Elentos wrote:On March 11 2016 20:40 Diabolique wrote:
Who knows, where do they show the line up for Monday's Proleague? It should be already out, right? Oh so I'm not around and suddenly nobody makes the thread even though I link the source every time? You are important, how does that feel?! Like people are lazy
Good that you are not lazy :-)
So what is the link? :-)
I want to see the matches Jin Air vs, SKT :-)
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On March 11 2016 20:44 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:42 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:39 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:36 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:34 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:33 deacon.frost wrote:On March 11 2016 20:31 Musicus wrote:On March 11 2016 20:28 Salteador Neo wrote:On March 11 2016 20:25 Nerchio wrote:On March 11 2016 20:24 Musicus wrote:
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Lurkers get absoulutely trashed on the ground after the midgame. Chargelot/immo/archon just a-moves over lurkers. Yeah it's a little bit sad how people think lurker hydra is so strong when in fact you only have a very small timing window Dear didn't have a single archon and just a few immortals in this game. Lurkers are super strong vP, nothing sad about people knowing it. They are super strong, for a certain period of time and you can do extremely strong pushes with them. But they are not at all unbeatable and we just want people to know that Protoss ground absolutely destroys Lurkers in the later stages. Dear played super good here #nowhine https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/707206244923265024 lol, the last big foreign tournament was overwhelmed by ZvZ and he writes this... is that some kind of irony or what? Nope, Protosses like Showtime and Harstem agreed that Protoss is fine in the late game. Even Naniwa said the same thing on stream yesterday. But in tournaments the map pool is too bad for Protoss and zergs will obviously do a lot of all-ins and tming attacks. Ravager all-ins and Lurker pushes that deny a Protoss 4th are incredibly strong. So what? Blizzard stated they want interesting map pool, not a standard one. Under such conditions Zerg is good and there will be no macro play(also it's kinda funny that 3base vs. 3base isn't macro game anymore) What do you meant with "so what?"? I don't have a big point, I'm just describing the state of the game. Zerg still owns Protoss most of the time, since they just own the early until mid game. I just observed how good Dear is at surviving this stage, so I said soO was in trouble. So Zergs own Protoss in early game, the game cannot proceeds into late game yet Zergs are concerned about Protoss late game. After a tournament where most of the players were zergs. I just don't get this whine from TLO. IEM was so Zerg heavy and he whines. That's like Protoss players whining during the blink era about PvT. Rain was almost crucified for it but hey, this is TLO, right? It was no whine, if you can't see that I can't help you. He was only stating how it is. He did not say whether that's good or bad or who this situation favours. In my opinion it favours zerg, mainly due to the maps.
I am at work, I don't have the time for it. Sure, whatever.
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Man I just wish I could play on Sky Shield on ladder...
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On March 11 2016 20:46 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:43 Elentos wrote:On March 11 2016 20:42 opisska wrote:On March 11 2016 20:41 Elentos wrote:On March 11 2016 20:40 Diabolique wrote:
Who knows, where do they show the line up for Monday's Proleague? It should be already out, right? Oh so I'm not around and suddenly nobody makes the thread even though I link the source every time? You are important, how does that feel?! Like people are lazy Good that you are not lazy :-) So what is the link? :-) I want to see the matches Jin Air vs, SKT :-)
https://www.facebook.com/proleague.sc2/posts/449872785212421
SKT going full troll oh my god
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HerO is disappointing today :/
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HerO 
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On March 11 2016 20:47 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2016 20:46 Diabolique wrote:On March 11 2016 20:43 Elentos wrote:On March 11 2016 20:42 opisska wrote:On March 11 2016 20:41 Elentos wrote:On March 11 2016 20:40 Diabolique wrote:
Who knows, where do they show the line up for Monday's Proleague? It should be already out, right? Oh so I'm not around and suddenly nobody makes the thread even though I link the source every time? You are important, how does that feel?! Like people are lazy Good that you are not lazy :-) So what is the link? :-) I want to see the matches Jin Air vs, SKT :-) https://www.facebook.com/proleague.sc2/posts/449872785212421SKT going full troll oh my god
What? Zoun? Impact? MyungSik? :-)
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if DRG wins he faces the god of korean zvz.
Poor DRG...
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