the games felt sloppy. supply blocks up the ass
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necrosexy
451 Posts
the games felt sloppy. supply blocks up the ass | ||
andrewlt
United States7692 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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Swisslink
2949 Posts
Well deserved victory for Polt of course. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 06 2016 07:19 p4ch1n0 wrote: If you split it up in multiple naps, 4 hours is just fine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep When he was asleep, he was technically practicing since he was dreaming of Starcraft. | ||
BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic599 Posts
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Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
On March 06 2016 03:11 [PkF] Wire wrote: I'd say that was the highlight of the series though the rest is not bad, but a lot of it was decided by build orders and -especially- Snute's lack of scouting. i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin) on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake. gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified. polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks. On March 06 2016 01:57 OtherWorld wrote: Snute is historically the foreign ZvZ god as he had the habit of bullying HyuN, and he often came close of beating JaeDong though he never took a series off him thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency | ||
Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote: i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin) on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake. gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified. polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks. thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency Keep it up mate, your run was awesome nevertheless. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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LOcDowN
United States1014 Posts
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote: i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin) on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake. gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified. polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks. thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency What is a "target counts" in transitions? | ||
Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote: i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin) on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake. gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified. polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks. thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency Congratulations for a wonderful tournament. | ||
LOcDowN
United States1014 Posts
On March 06 2016 16:11 Liquid`Snute wrote: just what i like calling things i guess, say you can have a target drone count or 'macro target' or whatever be ... 2 gases, 16 drones on minerals in main and natural, a roach warren and then spamming roach drone queen. that is just one example. or you can have a transition that involves going up to 6 gases, 50 workers, and a spire, stuff like that. depending on the transition you choose (/what "target" you set) against a certain build - AND your execution, the game state will either favor you, be even, or you may even lose. for example on central protocol, i went up to 6gases and made infestors (way above a reasonable target) against a timing that 4gas roach ravager spam would have dealt with. so a transition error after a successful defense that lead into a defense failure. Thank you for your reply, good luck in your next tournament | ||
sharkie
Austria18213 Posts
On March 06 2016 16:11 Liquid`Snute wrote: just what i like calling things i guess, say you can have a target drone count or 'macro target' or whatever be ... 2 gases, 16 drones on minerals in main and natural, a roach warren and then spamming roach drone queen. that is just one example. or you can have a transition that involves going up to 6 gases, 50 workers, and a spire, stuff like that. depending on the transition you choose (/what "target" you set) against a certain build - AND your execution, the game state will either favor you, be even, or you may even lose. for example on central protocol, i went up to 6gases and made infestors (way above a reasonable target) against a timing that 4gas roach ravager spam would have dealt with. so a transition error after a successful defense that lead into a defense failure. Did no one tell you of the Prion build beforehand? Considering its strength it was almost obvious that Polt was going for the same build again... :/ | ||
FrostPilot
31 Posts
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote: thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it It was really impressive - I even started to enjoy watching ZvZ (as a Terran). | ||
Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
Thanks for explaining your thoughts, really insightful! Can't wait for your play at the next tournament, I'm sure your feeling for the game will only get better and timings like that will be defended in the future . | ||
xtorn
4060 Posts
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote: i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin) on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake. gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified. polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks. thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency All things considered, you did a fantastic job! they say 2nd place hurts more than 3rd, but i think your hard work pays off and you are doing so much better with each tournament that you take part in. | ||
_TMT_
Vietnam114 Posts
On March 06 2016 22:25 xtorn wrote: All things considered, you did a fantastic job! they say 2nd place hurts more than 3rd, but i think your hard work pays off and you are doing so much better with each tournament that you take part in. Also 2nd is almost guaranteed a blizzcon spot :D | ||
messioso
Denmark635 Posts
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GoloSC2
707 Posts
On March 06 2016 16:11 Liquid`Snute wrote: just what i like calling things i guess, say you can have a target drone count or 'macro target' or whatever be ... 2 gases, 16 drones on minerals in main and natural, a roach warren and then spamming roach drone queen. that is just one example. or you can have a transition that involves going up to 6 gases, 50 workers, and a spire, stuff like that. depending on the transition you choose (/what "target" you set) against a certain build - AND your execution, the game state will either favor you, be even, or you may even lose. for example on central protocol, i went up to 6gases and made infestors (way above a reasonable target) against a timing that 4gas roach ravager spam would have dealt with. so a transition error after a successful defense that lead into a defense failure. Thanks for sharing this intel, very interesting to read! | ||
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