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necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-05 22:27:59
March 05 2016 22:27 GMT
#1941
Polt is lucky Neeb was defeated by Hydra

the games felt sloppy. supply blocks up the ass
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 05 2016 23:35 GMT
#1942
I hope Polt takes the next WCS too. We're going to see all Blizzard employees vote for Donald Trump to keep him out.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 05 2016 23:44 GMT
#1943
POLT FUCK YES! Hard worker...he deserves it. he does so much for the community.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2956 Posts
March 05 2016 23:54 GMT
#1944
So... Blizzard tried their best to keep Koreans out and in the end a Korean player still manages to win. And I doubt that's gonna change in the future: There will be no legal ground for banning Polt from the foreign tournaments. So, that's not gonna happen and I kind of expect Polt and Hydra to win all the big WCS tournaments.

Well deserved victory for Polt of course.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 06 2016 00:03 GMT
#1945
On March 06 2016 07:19 p4ch1n0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 06:17 stuchiu wrote:
When he was at school he slept 4 hours a day or some shit.


If you split it up in multiple naps, 4 hours is just fine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep


When he was asleep, he was technically practicing since he was dreaming of Starcraft.
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BonitiilloO
Profile Joined June 2013
Dominican Republic627 Posts
March 06 2016 02:18 GMT
#1946
where are the replays?
How may help u?
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-06 04:16:25
March 06 2016 04:08 GMT
#1947
On March 06 2016 03:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 03:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 02:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
Was on a plane. Missed the finals. Was it good?

I enjoyed it. Polt played really tricky though, resulting in some fun but strange games with a lot of mistakes from both sides. Overall I think you should watch it !

I'll watch it in a bit. Only caught game 6.

I'd say that was the highlight of the series though the rest is not bad, but a lot of it was decided by build orders and -especially- Snute's lack of scouting.

i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin)

on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake.

gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified.

polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks.
On March 06 2016 01:57 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 01:53 Poopi wrote:
I don't know if Snute over-performed or if Koreans are just easy to beat in ZvZ currently

Snute is historically the foreign ZvZ god as he had the habit of bullying HyuN, and he often came close of beating JaeDong though he never took a series off him

thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency
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Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-06 04:27:29
March 06 2016 04:26 GMT
#1948
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 03:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 02:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
Was on a plane. Missed the finals. Was it good?

I enjoyed it. Polt played really tricky though, resulting in some fun but strange games with a lot of mistakes from both sides. Overall I think you should watch it !

I'll watch it in a bit. Only caught game 6.

I'd say that was the highlight of the series though the rest is not bad, but a lot of it was decided by build orders and -especially- Snute's lack of scouting.

i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin)

on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake.

gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified.

polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks.
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 01:57 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2016 01:53 Poopi wrote:
I don't know if Snute over-performed or if Koreans are just easy to beat in ZvZ currently

Snute is historically the foreign ZvZ god as he had the habit of bullying HyuN, and he often came close of beating JaeDong though he never took a series off him

thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency


Keep it up mate, your run was awesome nevertheless.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 06 2016 04:59 GMT
#1949
I didn't get a good look at the trophy, but I did see it had a bunch of past champions name's on it. Did they keep Yoda on there?
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
March 06 2016 06:50 GMT
#1950
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 03:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 02:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
Was on a plane. Missed the finals. Was it good?

I enjoyed it. Polt played really tricky though, resulting in some fun but strange games with a lot of mistakes from both sides. Overall I think you should watch it !

I'll watch it in a bit. Only caught game 6.

I'd say that was the highlight of the series though the rest is not bad, but a lot of it was decided by build orders and -especially- Snute's lack of scouting.

i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin)

on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake.

gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified.

polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks.
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 01:57 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2016 01:53 Poopi wrote:
I don't know if Snute over-performed or if Koreans are just easy to beat in ZvZ currently

Snute is historically the foreign ZvZ god as he had the habit of bullying HyuN, and he often came close of beating JaeDong though he never took a series off him

thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency


What is a "target counts" in transitions?
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
March 06 2016 07:11 GMT
#1951
just what i like calling things i guess, say you can have a target drone count or 'macro target' or whatever be ... 2 gases, 16 drones on minerals in main and natural, a roach warren and then spamming roach drone queen. that is just one example. or you can have a transition that involves going up to 6 gases, 50 workers, and a spire, stuff like that. depending on the transition you choose (/what "target" you set) against a certain build - AND your execution, the game state will either favor you, be even, or you may even lose. for example on central protocol, i went up to 6gases and made infestors (way above a reasonable target) against a timing that 4gas roach ravager spam would have dealt with. so a transition error after a successful defense that lead into a defense failure.
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Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
March 06 2016 07:14 GMT
#1952
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 03:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 02:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
Was on a plane. Missed the finals. Was it good?

I enjoyed it. Polt played really tricky though, resulting in some fun but strange games with a lot of mistakes from both sides. Overall I think you should watch it !

I'll watch it in a bit. Only caught game 6.

I'd say that was the highlight of the series though the rest is not bad, but a lot of it was decided by build orders and -especially- Snute's lack of scouting.

i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin)

on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake.

gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified.

polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks.
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 01:57 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2016 01:53 Poopi wrote:
I don't know if Snute over-performed or if Koreans are just easy to beat in ZvZ currently

Snute is historically the foreign ZvZ god as he had the habit of bullying HyuN, and he often came close of beating JaeDong though he never took a series off him

thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency


Congratulations for a wonderful tournament.
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
March 06 2016 07:50 GMT
#1953
On March 06 2016 16:11 Liquid`Snute wrote:
just what i like calling things i guess, say you can have a target drone count or 'macro target' or whatever be ... 2 gases, 16 drones on minerals in main and natural, a roach warren and then spamming roach drone queen. that is just one example. or you can have a transition that involves going up to 6 gases, 50 workers, and a spire, stuff like that. depending on the transition you choose (/what "target" you set) against a certain build - AND your execution, the game state will either favor you, be even, or you may even lose. for example on central protocol, i went up to 6gases and made infestors (way above a reasonable target) against a timing that 4gas roach ravager spam would have dealt with. so a transition error after a successful defense that lead into a defense failure.


Thank you for your reply, good luck in your next tournament
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18724 Posts
March 06 2016 08:42 GMT
#1954
On March 06 2016 16:11 Liquid`Snute wrote:
just what i like calling things i guess, say you can have a target drone count or 'macro target' or whatever be ... 2 gases, 16 drones on minerals in main and natural, a roach warren and then spamming roach drone queen. that is just one example. or you can have a transition that involves going up to 6 gases, 50 workers, and a spire, stuff like that. depending on the transition you choose (/what "target" you set) against a certain build - AND your execution, the game state will either favor you, be even, or you may even lose. for example on central protocol, i went up to 6gases and made infestors (way above a reasonable target) against a timing that 4gas roach ravager spam would have dealt with. so a transition error after a successful defense that lead into a defense failure.


Did no one tell you of the Prion build beforehand?

Considering its strength it was almost obvious that Polt was going for the same build again... :/
FrostPilot
Profile Joined August 2015
31 Posts
March 06 2016 09:07 GMT
#1955
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote:
thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it

It was really impressive - I even started to enjoy watching ZvZ (as a Terran).
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
March 06 2016 13:04 GMT
#1956
Great tournament Snute, really sick performance!

Thanks for explaining your thoughts, really insightful! Can't wait for your play at the next tournament, I'm sure your feeling for the game will only get better and timings like that will be defended in the future .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4066 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-06 13:26:30
March 06 2016 13:25 GMT
#1957
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 03:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 02:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
Was on a plane. Missed the finals. Was it good?

I enjoyed it. Polt played really tricky though, resulting in some fun but strange games with a lot of mistakes from both sides. Overall I think you should watch it !

I'll watch it in a bit. Only caught game 6.

I'd say that was the highlight of the series though the rest is not bad, but a lot of it was decided by build orders and -especially- Snute's lack of scouting.

i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin)

on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake.

gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified.

polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks.
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 01:57 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2016 01:53 Poopi wrote:
I don't know if Snute over-performed or if Koreans are just easy to beat in ZvZ currently

Snute is historically the foreign ZvZ god as he had the habit of bullying HyuN, and he often came close of beating JaeDong though he never took a series off him

thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency


All things considered, you did a fantastic job! they say 2nd place hurts more than 3rd, but i think your hard work pays off and you are doing so much better with each tournament that you take part in.
<3 things - Life | Kane | Innovation | Scarlett | Solar | MMA
_TMT_
Profile Joined September 2014
Vietnam114 Posts
March 06 2016 14:48 GMT
#1958
On March 06 2016 22:25 xtorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2016 13:08 Liquid`Snute wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On March 06 2016 03:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On March 06 2016 02:57 Cricketer12 wrote:
Was on a plane. Missed the finals. Was it good?

I enjoyed it. Polt played really tricky though, resulting in some fun but strange games with a lot of mistakes from both sides. Overall I think you should watch it !

I'll watch it in a bit. Only caught game 6.

I'd say that was the highlight of the series though the rest is not bad, but a lot of it was decided by build orders and -especially- Snute's lack of scouting.

i tried to scout on prion but it was shut down, my overlord path was very badly chosen so that's on me. from there though, the issue was a combo of overdroning and not having enough gas early enough (macro mistake) plus some bad control. strategically, the game was in my zerg hands obviously (2x gold vs medivac-less allin)

on central protocol i knew it would be a 2base allin but overestimated the time before his moveout would happen, once again overdroning/transitional error, trying to get too big of a lead instead of just massing roaches safely. big mistake.

gamesense/general intelligence in zvt hasn't been my strongest suit so to me this was a very hard finals to play and not really a surprising result, a lot of other zergs are far smarter when it comes to dealing with 2 base allins like this. i don't think the terran builds are good in and of themselves. ladder zergs would probably win the games that i didn't. i got a lot of comments from close friends as well as the other pros that it was very throw-ish, and that's 100% justified.

polt is very smart and his builds unorthodox, i expected 2-base allins but missed important 'target counts' in transitions and that lost me two very important games. i could afford losing on seras and orbital to some extent but not with failing the other simple checks.
On March 06 2016 01:57 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 06 2016 01:53 Poopi wrote:
I don't know if Snute over-performed or if Koreans are just easy to beat in ZvZ currently

Snute is historically the foreign ZvZ god as he had the habit of bullying HyuN, and he often came close of beating JaeDong though he never took a series off him

thank you, i think my preparation was great this time for my zvzs, very happy and proud of it (edit: except for game 1 in each series was very derpy, game 2 vs violet and g4 vs hydra was kinda silly too), also i beat jaedong in lotv at gpl intl challenge finally on average my zvz isn't that great just yet but for this run preparation helped a lot. i expect to get a lot better at zvz in the future, will continue to study nerchio's games and other top zvz players to help gain more consistency


All things considered, you did a fantastic job! they say 2nd place hurts more than 3rd, but i think your hard work pays off and you are doing so much better with each tournament that you take part in.


Also 2nd is almost guaranteed a blizzcon spot :D
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
March 06 2016 15:26 GMT
#1959
Didn't catch as much as I wanted to but the games were good and it was great to see everyone again )
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
713 Posts
March 06 2016 15:54 GMT
#1960
On March 06 2016 16:11 Liquid`Snute wrote:
just what i like calling things i guess, say you can have a target drone count or 'macro target' or whatever be ... 2 gases, 16 drones on minerals in main and natural, a roach warren and then spamming roach drone queen. that is just one example. or you can have a transition that involves going up to 6 gases, 50 workers, and a spire, stuff like that. depending on the transition you choose (/what "target" you set) against a certain build - AND your execution, the game state will either favor you, be even, or you may even lose. for example on central protocol, i went up to 6gases and made infestors (way above a reasonable target) against a timing that 4gas roach ravager spam would have dealt with. so a transition error after a successful defense that lead into a defense failure.


Thanks for sharing this intel, very interesting to read!
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