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Please keep the balance whine down, guys. Discussion's fine, whine is not. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:55 ecnahc wrote: i thought stalker comps were out of vogue in pvz atm? They're less popular, but evidently still good. Super has been going for Stalkers in all his recent PvZs too. | ||
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:56 Soularion wrote: very interested to see how Rogue plays in ZvP, hopefully he pulls out some next level shit so I can fanboy over him I hope he pulls out some roaches | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
... But ultralisks aren't dominating everything. They're dominating games in which the zerg plays properly, the terran makes mistakes, the terran doesn't take proper fights, and the terran is behind to begin with. They are dominating late game. And yes the whole "just needs to be able to survive until xx comes out --> Auto win" is also dumb. We saw that during Broodlord/Infestor. So if we assume terran is favored in the mid game and Zerg in the late, that's an atrocious way of balancing the matchup and should be adressed. | ||
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2443 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:53 bo1b wrote: The problem was that in 90% of the games where terran got their 4th base up, 4m just mowed down zerg. Overseer buff was very good, but I still remember innovation vs soulkey etc just making macro tvz look stupid. just took a while for most zergs to learn how to micro vs mines | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:56 Hider wrote: They are dominating late game. And yes the whole "just needs to be able to survive until xx comes out" is also dumb logic. We saw that during Broodlord/Infestor. I too think that ultras are as strong as broodlord infestor was. | ||
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Magnifico
1958 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:57 CruelZeratul wrote: Artosis loving lame turtle strategy confirmed. he doesn't like "gimmicky" play | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:57 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: just took a while for most zergs to learn how to micro vs mines And then they nerfed the mine after the fact  Worst patch in hots lol | ||
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Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:56 Hider wrote: They are dominating late game. And yes the whole "just needs to be able to survive until xx comes out" is also dumb logic. We saw that during Broodlord/Infestor. So if we assume terran is favored in the mid game and Zerg in the late, that's an atrocious way of balancing the matchup and should be adressed. Yea and thats EXACLTY whats happening right now...hence Curious just totally abandoning his 5th without even fighting because he KNEW if he didn't die there, it was over | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
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atrox_
United Kingdom1711 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 03 2016 20:56 bo1b wrote: It wasn't because they attacked, it was because they were able to defend the first push without losing too much to stop the push. Innovation vs Drg on all 3 games featured drg pushing and winning. Yeah, because they overmade units early and didn't rush out their 4th bases. They still played WoL economy with ~60 workers and aggressively trying to take down hellions with zerglings and staying on 3 bases. Soulkey would usually try to attack INnoVation with 3 bases in macro games (e.g. in their proleague games) and got wrecked. Life was trying to beat INnoVations hellions on the map. Both Life and Roro tried to play defensive into Broodlords and got wrecked by getting up 4-5 bases uncontested while not having an economic advantage. DRG didn't really attack, he just counterattacked. And he lost the one game of the series in which INnoVation got up his 5th base, while he won the others in which he just defended better and consequently INnoVation just allinned from 3-4 bases. | ||
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HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On February 03 2016 21:02 atrox_ wrote: I've pretty much ignored LoTV up until this point, so, can someone give me a quick rundown of how the immortal shield works 100 shield for few sec autocast by default | ||
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ecnahc
United States395 Posts
On February 03 2016 21:02 atrox_ wrote: I've pretty much ignored LoTV up until this point, so, can someone give me a quick rundown of how the immortal shield works 1.5s shield, autocast by default, toggleable, 60s cd, hardened shields removed other stats remain the same | ||
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