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The time has come for you all to qualify the very first WCS Winter Championship taking place at Intel Extreme Masters Katowice 2016. There is $150,000, 10,000 WCS points, and a WCS Global Playoffs seed all up for grabs, and the North America Region will be sending Six Players to compete for it. Get all the info below!
Qualifier Dates and Brackets
Week 1
Qualifier 1: Wednesday January 27th at 7:00 pm EST - View Brackets
Qualifier 2: Thursday January 28th at 7:00 pm EST - View Brackets
North American Final 1 : Saturday January 30th at 7:00 pm EST - View Brackets  Neeb  MaSa  Petraeus qualified!
Week 2
Qualifier 3: Wednesday February 3rd at 7:00 pm EST - View Brackets
Qualifier 4: Thursday February 4th at 7:00 pm EST- View Brackets
North American Final 2: Saturday February 6th at 7:00 pm EST - View Brackets
Open Qualifier Cups
Restrictions
- You must be a citizen or be residing in any country apart of the Americas, Taiwan, China, AZN, or SEA Region.
- You must have correct game account on ESL profile so replay report system can work!
- Top 4 players of each open cup move into NA Final 1 or Final 2.
- Top 3 players of each NA final advance to Katowice.
- All games must be played on the North America server!
- Must be at least 16 years of age by March 4th 2016 ( the date of the LAN event).
Qualifier 3 and 4 Sign Up and Information
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BroadcastingNathanias and Catz will be covering the week 1 action live on Twitch.tvAll community casters welcome to cover their favorite matches at player's discretion!
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Still updating some fine details, but registration can begin and the general details are announced!
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Wonder how the new update going live on the 28th is going to affect us. Has blizzard communicated anything to you guys about potential downtime and such?
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Damn 6 spots is crazy man
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Canada8159 Posts
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[WCS] IEM Katowice NA Qualifiers
Restrictions:
You must be a citizen or be residing in any country apart of the Americas.
I don't get it. It's NA qualifier but you can't be American.
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On January 25 2016 08:39 saltis wrote:
[WCS] IEM Katowice NA Qualifiers
Restrictions:
You must be a citizen or be residing in any country apart of the Americas.
I don't get it. It's NA qualifier but you can't be American.
You can play if you are american, maybe you misread o.O
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On January 25 2016 08:39 saltis wrote:
[WCS] IEM Katowice NA Qualifiers
Restrictions:
You must be a citizen or be residing in any country apart of the Americas.
I don't get it. It's NA qualifier but you can't be American.
lol. It says a part OF... not a part FROM...
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neeb polt violet scarlett puck and one wild card if brackets arent crazy
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"You must be a citizen or be residing in any country apart of the Americas, Taiwan, or SEA Region."
Mainland China? other Asian regions except South Korea, Southeast Asia and Taiwan? Hong Kong? Macao?
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Canada1169 Posts
On January 25 2016 12:39 entropysc wrote:
neeb polt violet scarlett puck and one wild card if brackets arent crazy
Polt's already invited
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8751 Posts
I'm probably missing some important piece of info here, but aren't the regional challenger events supposed to run before the server qualifiers? Everyone plays in the regional challenger because it has prize money and circuit points -- it's not just about qualifying for the championship. It should also take priority on determining qualifiers because it's the most region-locked.
Only after qualifiers are determined every other way, the server qualifiers are run to determine the next best players. Doing the challenger first should get a more competitive pool of players into the championship and it should also minimize the amount of extra games that must be played (should avoid some extra series being played at the challenger to determine qualifiers and should also save 8 players the trouble of playing the server qualifiers at all).
What exactly is the priority on qualifying anyway? If someone who is in the championship via invite from WCS Points wins their regional challenger, does the next highest WCS Point player get invited or does 2nd place at the regional challenger get the spot?
However it works, my gut is telling me the server qualifiers should be played last, but I'd like to hear from whoever designed the system to explain the rules of it and how they determined that the system they figured out is the best it can be.
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On January 26 2016 03:06 NonY wrote:
I'm probably missing some important piece of info here, but aren't the regional challenger events supposed to run before the server qualifiers? Everyone plays in the regional challenger because it has prize money and circuit points -- it's not just about qualifying for the championship. It should also take priority on determining qualifiers because it's the most region-locked.
Only after qualifiers are determined every other way, the server qualifiers are run to determine the next best players. Doing the challenger first should get a more competitive pool of players into the championship and it should also minimize the amount of extra games that must be played (should avoid some extra series being played at the challenger to determine qualifiers and should also save 8 players the trouble of playing the server qualifiers at all).
What exactly is the priority on qualifying anyway? If someone who is in the championship via invite from WCS Points wins their regional challenger, does the next highest WCS Point player get invited or does 2nd place at the regional challenger get the spot?
However it works, my gut is telling me the server qualifiers should be played last, but I'd like to hear from whoever designed the system to explain the rules of it and how they determined that the system they figured out is the best it can be.
Not really a complete answer to the above and it would be nice to have full information, but apparently we will usually see the server qualifiers after the challenger system :
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Wasn't there some kind of rule book Blizzard was supposed to put out for these kinds of questions? I dont know where it is though.
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Good luck to everyone participating!!
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On January 26 2016 05:12 stuchiu wrote:
Wasn't there some kind of rule book Blizzard was supposed to put out for these kinds of questions? I dont know where it is though.
I don't get how a tournament circuit can be so convoluted and confusing... T___T
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On January 26 2016 05:12 stuchiu wrote:
Wasn't there some kind of rule book Blizzard was supposed to put out for these kinds of questions? I dont know where it is though.
There is a Chinese version of the handbook.
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Hi, what region on Na server is the default if players don't have the same/come to an agreement?
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On January 26 2016 22:35 mGGrinehart wrote:
Hi, what region on Na server is the default if players don't have the same/come to an agreement?
edit: Sorry misunderstood, the default server is going to be US central if players can't come to an agreement on what works best.
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8751 Posts
On January 26 2016 05:06 Wardi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 03:06 NonY wrote:
I'm probably missing some important piece of info here, but aren't the regional challenger events supposed to run before the server qualifiers? Everyone plays in the regional challenger because it has prize money and circuit points -- it's not just about qualifying for the championship. It should also take priority on determining qualifiers because it's the most region-locked.
Only after qualifiers are determined every other way, the server qualifiers are run to determine the next best players. Doing the challenger first should get a more competitive pool of players into the championship and it should also minimize the amount of extra games that must be played (should avoid some extra series being played at the challenger to determine qualifiers and should also save 8 players the trouble of playing the server qualifiers at all).
What exactly is the priority on qualifying anyway? If someone who is in the championship via invite from WCS Points wins their regional challenger, does the next highest WCS Point player get invited or does 2nd place at the regional challenger get the spot?
However it works, my gut is telling me the server qualifiers should be played last, but I'd like to hear from whoever designed the system to explain the rules of it and how they determined that the system they figured out is the best it can be. Not really a complete answer to the above and it would be nice to have full information, but apparently we will usually see the server qualifiers after the challenger system : https://twitter.com/messioso/status/690146774342877184
That's really intriguing! What is different about this season that makes it better for the challenger to not be played first? I can't imagine it.
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On January 27 2016 07:32 NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 05:06 Wardi wrote:On January 26 2016 03:06 NonY wrote:
I'm probably missing some important piece of info here, but aren't the regional challenger events supposed to run before the server qualifiers? Everyone plays in the regional challenger because it has prize money and circuit points -- it's not just about qualifying for the championship. It should also take priority on determining qualifiers because it's the most region-locked.
Only after qualifiers are determined every other way, the server qualifiers are run to determine the next best players. Doing the challenger first should get a more competitive pool of players into the championship and it should also minimize the amount of extra games that must be played (should avoid some extra series being played at the challenger to determine qualifiers and should also save 8 players the trouble of playing the server qualifiers at all).
What exactly is the priority on qualifying anyway? If someone who is in the championship via invite from WCS Points wins their regional challenger, does the next highest WCS Point player get invited or does 2nd place at the regional challenger get the spot?
However it works, my gut is telling me the server qualifiers should be played last, but I'd like to hear from whoever designed the system to explain the rules of it and how they determined that the system they figured out is the best it can be. Not really a complete answer to the above and it would be nice to have full information, but apparently we will usually see the server qualifiers after the challenger system : https://twitter.com/messioso/status/690146774342877184 That's really intriguing! What is different about this season that makes it better for the challenger to not be played first? I can't imagine it.
Not really sure, perhaps just lack of time to organize it? Nothing else really makes sense because it only complicates things in the long run.
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Wait Katowice is a k$150k tournament where Koreans are banned?
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On January 27 2016 08:25 Incognoto wrote:
Wait Katowice is a k$150k tournament where Koreans are banned?
It's the replacement for WCS Premier season 1 basically.
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On January 27 2016 08:25 Incognoto wrote:
Wait Katowice is a k$150k tournament where Koreans are banned?
Koreans aren't banned. If they want to play in the $150k tourney, they need to invest in living in the region, I think that's more than fair enough. I can't stand when people say it's welfare money for Europeans now, it pretty much was welfare money for Koreans too.
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On January 27 2016 15:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 08:25 Incognoto wrote:
Wait Katowice is a k$150k tournament where Koreans are banned? Koreans aren't banned. If they want to play in the $150k tourney, they need to invest in living in the region, I think that's more than fair enough. I can't stand when people say it's welfare money for Europeans now, it pretty much was welfare money for Koreans too.
Actually that's an interesting point because in a way, it was sort of like that. Koreans came to the NA and the EU regions at least partly because they were easier than the Korean regions. So while it may not have been welfare money, it was definitely easier than in Korea.
And actually, it's even less like welfare for the foreigners, because they now have to fight people of their own skill level to get the money, as opposed to people out of their skill level. It would be like if Koreans had to face archon mode Koreans and then call that fair.
I don't think people are upset that Koreans are banned in the WCS, because that's similar to how it was last year, but it's that Koreans are banned from the IEMs and the Dreamhacks, and those are the places where we expected to see top Koreans outside of Korea.
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Yea but they're not actually banned. It's all about the ROI, is it worth moving outside of Korea to compete or stay at home and compete with the best of the best? They can compete just like Hydra and violet did. So we need to stop saying banned because they aren't really banned, they're just region locked out.
Also on that note, I feel like DH will end up in Korea anyways. I've never seen DH in my 13+ years of esports, leave Europe. This is the first time I'm seeing DH come to the US.
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On January 27 2016 23:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Yea but they're not actually banned. It's all about the ROI, is it worth moving outside of Korea to compete or stay at home and compete with the best of the best? They can compete just like Hydra and violet did. So we need to stop saying banned because they aren't really banned, they're just region locked out.
Also on that note, I feel like DH will end up in Korea anyways. I've never seen DH in my 13+ years of esports, leave Europe. This is the first time I'm seeing DH come to the US.
I could dig that.
I believe the new WCS format is exciting, matching players against players of their own level of skill, and get the best of each region and match them against each other on a big stage and a neutral zone (where fans can cheer for all the players).
It's like if Barcelona FC was allowed to enter any soccer league they wanted. In the words of famous smasher D1: DEEEEESSSTRRRRUUUUCTIOOOOOONNN
With the new format we get like the Champions Cup. Sure Barcelona FC will win it as well, but it makes it a lot more doable for other teams/players to be a champion contender. We don't always get Real Madrid vs Barcelona grand finals, same will happen on WCS finals (hopefully).
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On January 28 2016 01:17 alukarD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 23:57 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Yea but they're not actually banned. It's all about the ROI, is it worth moving outside of Korea to compete or stay at home and compete with the best of the best? They can compete just like Hydra and violet did. So we need to stop saying banned because they aren't really banned, they're just region locked out.
Also on that note, I feel like DH will end up in Korea anyways. I've never seen DH in my 13+ years of esports, leave Europe. This is the first time I'm seeing DH come to the US. I could dig that. I believe the new WCS format is exciting, matching players against players of their own level of skill, and get the best of each region and match them against each other on a big stage and a neutral zone (where fans can cheer for all the players). It's like if Barcelona FC was allowed to enter any soccer league they wanted. In the words of famous smasher D1: DEEEEESSSTRRRRUUUUCTIOOOOOONNN With the new format we get like the Champions Cup. Sure Barcelona FC will win it as well, but it makes it a lot more doable for other teams/players to be a champion contender. We don't always get Real Madrid vs Bacelona grand finals, same will happen on WCS finals (hopefully).
I like the example more of star European players joining MLS or well what's relevant today is star European players in their primes joining the Chinese League. Higher pay-outs, salaries, weaker competition, more chance at lower prestige (less competition) trophies.
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A reminder tonight to all the players competing: **MEET IN CHANNEL IEM!**
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Players can stream their games right?
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On January 28 2016 05:41 avilo wrote:
Players can stream their games right?
Yes, do so at your own risk though. Place a large delay if you want to avoid having urself stream cheated.
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was gonna sign up just for fun but its greyed out for me? is the site bugged for anyone else? lol
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Alright I decided to play so you guys know who is going to win.
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Please don't tell me I have to watch winter to see these games.
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So I guess Wardi is the most official main stream. I thought it was supposed to be Nathanias but he's playing in it 
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It suck for SEA player to have to play in NA, there is so many good player from there, they deserve at lest one or two spot for them.
Edit : wow Chinese player too...
Also, do someone know if by any chance, the Mike Ross in the esl bracket, is the fighting game Mike Ross?
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On January 28 2016 09:12 royalroadweed wrote:
Please don't tell me I have to watch winter to see these games.
the important games can be seen on avilos stream.
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Bracket 1 got most of the SEA players, along with a few others. Petraeus, Pilipili, XY, Enderr, Jonsnow, and Pig.
Bracket 2 seems rather weak, with Kelazhur, State, Neeb, and Macsed being the only really notable players.
Bracket 3 doesn't look too tough as well. Violet, Semper, Masa, Nice, and iAsonu. Avilo might make things interesting, and by interesting I mean delayed
Bracket 4 is the most brutal. Has, Noregret, Scarlett, Jim, Huk, Bioice, and Probe.
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Nate and Catz will be casting as soon as they are knocked out of the tournament. They decided to give it a shot to try and play in this one before casting.
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On January 28 2016 09:26 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Nate and Catz will be casting as soon as they are knocked out of the tournament. They decided to give it a shot to try and play in this one before casting.
I think Nathanias said he had the Quest nutrition thing today. Perhaps I'm wrong though
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Have you guys seen GG tasteless emotes on Nates stream. Those things are amazing.
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avilo playing a maphacker...
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On January 28 2016 09:36 Charoisaur wrote:
avilo playing a maphacker...
Of course he is.
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On January 28 2016 09:36 Charoisaur wrote:
avilo playing a maphacker...
An actual maphacker or just someone Avilo calls maphacker. Because those are two completely different things.
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On January 28 2016 09:39 Mozdk wrote:An actual maphacker or just someone Avilo calls maphacker. Because those are two completely different things.
someone avilo calls a maphacker^^
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On January 28 2016 09:34 Mozdk wrote:
Have you guys seen GG tasteless emotes on Nates stream. Those things are amazing.
yeah such meme
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Avilo confirmed for meme terran, can't believe anybody listens to this clown
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Only SEA hopes left are PiG, Petraeus, EnDerr and NXZ. All are in the Ro32 atm. PiG/Petraeus/EnDerr all have a pretty decent shot IMO, atlthough all 3 are in one bracket so only one can make it. NXZ playing Semper now, who will be a huge challenge.
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Why is it that no one is casting these games?
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On January 28 2016 11:13 geokilla wrote:
Why is it that no one is casting these games?
People are...
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The Korean American vs the American Brazilian 
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HuK vs Jim!!
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State doing his proxy robo + 3 gates.
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lol that was some bs but thank god it will be patch
gg state!
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On January 28 2016 12:02 DMXD wrote:
lol that was some bs but thank god it will be patch
gg state!
Yeah that looked like a Terran hold for a while, lol.
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only one of Huk/Jim/Has will qualify 
I mean theres always tomorrow/next week but still
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On January 28 2016 12:37 Mozdk wrote:
BCs on Nate's stream O.o
XY doing some awesome mass banshee into BC.
edit: fancy stuff, banshee speed and then push with BC and tactical jump away the low ones.
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On January 28 2016 12:39 Superbanana wrote:XY doing some awesome mass banshee into BC. edit: fancy stuff, banshee speed and then push with BC and tactical jump away the low ones.
Banshee speed?
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On January 28 2016 12:43 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 12:39 Superbanana wrote:On January 28 2016 12:37 Mozdk wrote:
BCs on Nate's stream O.o XY doing some awesome mass banshee into BC. edit: fancy stuff, banshee speed and then push with BC and tactical jump away the low ones. Banshee speed?
yeah, banshee speed upgrade... fusion core and then research on tech lab
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On January 28 2016 12:44 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2016 12:43 Mozdk wrote:On January 28 2016 12:39 Superbanana wrote:On January 28 2016 12:37 Mozdk wrote:
BCs on Nate's stream O.o XY doing some awesome mass banshee into BC. edit: fancy stuff, banshee speed and then push with BC and tactical jump away the low ones. Banshee speed? yeah, banshee speed upgrade... fusion core and then research on tech lab
I didn't even know of this :D
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haven't seen any Huk games at all..
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He only allows official casters. And there are none on NA atm. (Afaik)
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Any word on Violet v Masa?
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United States97276 Posts
pretty decent final matchups in each of the brackets. could see all of the players who lost in the last round today possibly making it tomorrow
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Oh wow, I only just now realized that his is a 2 week thing. I am not the smartest....
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So I made top 64. Not bad eh? :D
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Nice to see Protoss represent NA after being slaughtered in EU...sad that Masa didn't make it.
Good job HuK!!
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That Scarlett vs Cham game was so silly lol. Cham died with 10k resources in the bank.
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On January 29 2016 11:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
That Scarlett vs Cham game was so silly lol. Cham died with 10k resources in the bank.
Yeah he must be kicking himself for letting macro slip.
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Avilo vs Has. The world is not ready for this.
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if Avilo wins I hope Scarlett plays protoss against him.
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Has vs Avilo... a match that will be remembered
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is Has vs Scarlett going on yet?
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JimRising is doing very well vs this mech style imo.
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On January 29 2016 12:06 Mozdk wrote:
JimRising is doing very well vs this mech style imo.
And now he just went full IdrA lol
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I have no clue who juggernautjason is, but he looks really fucking solid.
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Just got here, how did Toodming lose to HTOMario?
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did Has show some good shit today?
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On January 29 2016 12:27 Shellshock wrote:
did Has show some good shit today?
Cheesing the sh1t out of Avilo counts?
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On January 29 2016 12:27 Shellshock wrote:
did Has show some good shit today?
I don't know. Didn't see. But you still have a chance to watch him. And maybe catch some Pili knee porn, if you are lucky:
Has - Scarlett:
http://www.twitch.tv/pilipili96
Edit: I see it's on BasetradeTV too.
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On January 29 2016 12:32 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:27 Shellshock wrote:
did Has show some good shit today? Cheesing the sh1t out of Avilo counts?
no shit
would you prefer Avilo turtle himself into oblivion?
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On January 29 2016 12:33 necrosexy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:32 Superbanana wrote:On January 29 2016 12:27 Shellshock wrote:
did Has show some good shit today? Cheesing the sh1t out of Avilo counts? no shit would you prefer Avilo turtle himself into oblivion?
eh... i meant good shit, of course i don't wanna see turtles
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LOL glorious game by Scarlett
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On January 29 2016 12:34 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 12:33 necrosexy wrote:On January 29 2016 12:32 Superbanana wrote:On January 29 2016 12:27 Shellshock wrote:
did Has show some good shit today? Cheesing the sh1t out of Avilo counts? no shit would you prefer Avilo turtle himself into oblivion? eh... i meant good shit, of course i don't wanna see turtles
oh, sorry
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State ready for the final match for a spot in the finals for the second day in a row.
This time vs Petraeus
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I'd obviously prefer Scarlett advance, but I'd be okay with MaSa too. He deserves a real chance at something after the passport debacle
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On January 29 2016 12:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I'd obviously prefer Scarlett advance, but I'd be okay with MaSa too. He deserves a real chance at something after the passport debacle
Either Major or Kelazhur afterwards to get the spot? or the winner of next match qualifies?
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I really impressed with HTOMario...I definitely didn't expect him to do this well.
Also, Another Canadian!!
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Major vs Kelazhur is at 3rd game cast in portuguese @Tonho
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wow just saw there was a round with ViBE vs SeleCT. blast from the past
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kela vs major is pretty insane atm
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Oh shit Scarlett just threw this game
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On January 29 2016 13:07 Sif_ wrote:
kela vs major is pretty insane atm
Epic 27minutes TvT come back, Kelazhur 2-1 Major
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On January 29 2016 13:15 Superbanana wrote:Epic 27minutes TvT come back, Kelazhur 2-1 Major
wtf happened to Major? He went from untouchable god to...touchable?
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How on earth is HTOMario winning games? Are his viewbots assaulting his opponents?
User was warned for this post
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What's the score of Major vs Kela? I'm seeing conflicting things
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On January 29 2016 13:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
What's the score of Major vs Kela? I'm seeing conflicting things
Kela 2-1, i saw it
edit: Major won the first game, its wrong on liquipedia
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it looks like iA/HTOMario is 1-1, liquipedia had HTOMario as being up 1-0 and iA just invited him to another game, so its safe to say its game 3
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On January 29 2016 13:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Oh shit Scarlett just threw this game
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On January 29 2016 13:26 VengefulTree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 13:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Oh shit Scarlett just threw this game
She tends to do this vs Masa. Like, every time they play she throws at least one game super hard
Oh well, next time
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United States97276 Posts
wow Kelazhur actually able to beat Major these days
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holy fucking shit HTOMario 2-1
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HTOMario is so happy ahah
Mass banshee is good unit
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HTOMario qualified for a final qualifier....If that doesn't tell you what a joke Region Lock is I don't know what does
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HTOMARIO!!!! Awesome, awesome! Great Job.
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On January 29 2016 13:38 showstealer1829 wrote:
HTOMario qualified for a final qualifier....If that doesn't tell you what a joke Region Lock is I don't know what does
Dude come on he did that by beating 2 of the best Zergs in China in Toodming and iA, both of which are no slouches
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On January 29 2016 13:40 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 13:38 showstealer1829 wrote:
HTOMario qualified for a final qualifier....If that doesn't tell you what a joke Region Lock is I don't know what does Dude come on he did that by beating 2 of the best Zergs in China in Toodming and iA, both of which are no slouches
I stand by my original statement
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How the fuck did he do this? His only strategy in HotS was turtle mech. How is he winning games?
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On January 29 2016 13:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:
How the fuck did he do this? His only strategy in HotS was turtle mech. How is he winning games?
By being better than his opponents
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turns out terran isn't as bad as people make it sound out to be, esp not in TvZ
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The last time there was a good belgian player it was Feast.
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On January 29 2016 13:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:
How the fuck did he do this? His only strategy in HotS was turtle mech. How is he winning games?
Turtling mech...
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On January 29 2016 13:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:
How the fuck did he do this? His only strategy in HotS was turtle mech. How is he winning games?
WCS 2016
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On January 29 2016 13:45 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 13:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:
How the fuck did he do this? His only strategy in HotS was turtle mech. How is he winning games? Turtling mech...
Game 3 he all ined on speed banshees and killed everything because iA didn't scout it.
Also dammit State out 1-2 again
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HTOMario's last game was a textbook hard-counter. He scouted Roach/Ravager and went triple Starport cloaked Banshee with Hyperflight Rotors. iA couldn't decide what he wanted to do. He threw up Spores, morphed Hydras, an Overseer, finished Hive for Corrupters for PB. A mess.
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did state just pretty much die to a ling runby that had oracle revelation on it?
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So... Kelazhur, Petraeus, HTOMario and Masa. 3 Terrans on top of Scarlett, Has, Toodming, Major, State and other names. Nobody saw it coming
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On January 29 2016 13:43 Lexender wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 13:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:
How the fuck did he do this? His only strategy in HotS was turtle mech. How is he winning games? By being better than his opponents
To be fair he also lost to Jimrising who then channel his inner Idra and left the game beeing 70 supply and one base ahead.
But apart from that he played pretty good
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I'm going to guess viOLet, Neeb, and Kelazhur for the 3 that qualify
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On January 29 2016 13:53 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 13:43 Lexender wrote:On January 29 2016 13:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:
How the fuck did he do this? His only strategy in HotS was turtle mech. How is he winning games? By being better than his opponents To be fair he also lost to Jimrising who then channel his inner Idra and left the game beeing 70 supply and one base ahead. But apart from that he played pretty good
Really? What was the rage for?
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Canada8989 Posts
On January 29 2016 13:55 ValidParties wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 13:53 Nakajin wrote:On January 29 2016 13:43 Lexender wrote:On January 29 2016 13:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:
How the fuck did he do this? His only strategy in HotS was turtle mech. How is he winning games? By being better than his opponents To be fair he also lost to Jimrising who then channel his inner Idra and left the game beeing 70 supply and one base ahead. But apart from that he played pretty good Really? What was the rage for?
Mabye some blue flame helion killing a bit of drone at the start of the game? To be honest it seem like Jim lost some roach to some tank, had a very bad read on the game and did not realize those 4-5 tanks were all Mario had against like 60 roach. Just a bubble to the brain.
He was finding it pretty funny after the game so I guess he did not realy go full Idra.
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Australia18228 Posts
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On January 29 2016 13:47 Superbanana wrote:
So... Kelazhur, Petraeus, HTOMario and Masa. 3 Terrans on top of Scarlett, Has, Toodming, Major, State and other names. Nobody saw it coming
Can we finally nerf Zerg so Bogus can win games :/ ?
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congrats Mario!! Entertaining TvZ mech...
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On January 29 2016 13:45 Superbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2016 13:42 RPR_Tempest wrote:
How the fuck did he do this? His only strategy in HotS was turtle mech. How is he winning games? Turtling mech...
He didn't turtle...you should watch the games. In fact, he was more aggressive than most of his opponents; he also went BIO vs Nony.
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What happens if Has qualifies via "NA qualifiers" and taiwanese challenger?
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No passion on team liquid?
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I have no idea who will advance, exciting.
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no kelazhur vs neeb stream?
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Mario doesn't even try to deny Petraeus' creep spread.
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Huk > Masa > Scarlett > Huk
the cycle of Canada continues
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"That was quite foolish from him"
Petra after Mario suicided 20 ghosts
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mass ghosts don't seem to do much against broodlord infestor.
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Petraeus had Mario's number that series.
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And Mario is out, damn :c he got really far tho
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United States97276 Posts
Thing I'd never though I'd see: HuK with mass skytoss lategame army
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So what was petraeus supposed to do against that?
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On January 31 2016 09:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Huk > Masa > Scarlett > Huk
the cycle of Canada continues
You just spoiled the results for 2800 people on Basetrade. What is wrong with you? How can it even enter your mind to do that? Let alone actually going ahead and doing it! Fucking disgusting behavior!
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On January 31 2016 10:34 chipmonklord17 wrote:
So what was petraeus supposed to do against that?
So he needed to transition into hydra/corruptor. Best way to combat carrier/tempest I have found is hydra/corruptor, with a couple Ultras to take out templar/disruptor and tank some damage. Have Corruptors focus the Carriers, Let the Hydras take out the interceptors (they kill them so fast!). Just going Pure corruptor/infestor is the worst way to combat that style.
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United States97276 Posts
looking like a pretty good day for foreigner toss
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On January 31 2016 10:56 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 09:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Huk > Masa > Scarlett > Huk
the cycle of Canada continues You just spoiled the results for 2800 people on Basetrade. What is wrong with you? How can it even enter your mind to do that? Let alone actually going ahead and doing it! Fucking disgusting behavior!
Technically Neeb spoiled it by tweeting. But he only has about 500 followers so I did spoil it for a few more people.
Not everyone reads chat though tbf.
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On January 31 2016 10:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 10:56 Mozdk wrote:On January 31 2016 09:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Huk > Masa > Scarlett > Huk
the cycle of Canada continues You just spoiled the results for 2800 people on Basetrade. What is wrong with you? How can it even enter your mind to do that? Let alone actually going ahead and doing it! Fucking disgusting behavior! Technically Neeb spoiled it by tweeting. But he only has about 500 followers so I did spoil it for a few more people. Not everyone reads chat though tbf.
He did too. But there is a reason why most E-sport followers do not browse twitter when watching streams.
I seriously dislike that move by you. I hope you will think twice next time. Since it's the first time I've seen anything like this out of you, I will let it go now.
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On January 31 2016 10:58 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 10:34 chipmonklord17 wrote:
So what was petraeus supposed to do against that? So he needed to transition into hydra/corruptor. Best way to combat carrier/tempest I have found is hydra/corruptor, with a couple Ultras to take out templar/disruptor and tank some damage. Have Corruptors focus the Carriers, Let the Hydras take out the interceptors (they kill them so fast!). Just going Pure corruptor/infestor is the worst way to combat that style.
But what happens when they have storm? Don't you just die?
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Prion Terraces is such a "creative" map...
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On January 31 2016 11:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 10:58 blade55555 wrote:On January 31 2016 10:34 chipmonklord17 wrote:
So what was petraeus supposed to do against that? So he needed to transition into hydra/corruptor. Best way to combat carrier/tempest I have found is hydra/corruptor, with a couple Ultras to take out templar/disruptor and tank some damage. Have Corruptors focus the Carriers, Let the Hydras take out the interceptors (they kill them so fast!). Just going Pure corruptor/infestor is the worst way to combat that style. But what happens when they have storm? Don't you just die?
That's why I said a couple Ultras. Ultras clean out the templar/disruptor so that your hydras don't die or corruptors to storm.
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United States97276 Posts
I guess I jinxed HuK. thought he had this series in the bag
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On January 31 2016 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
Thing I'd never though I'd see: HuK with mass skytoss lategame army
Don't worry. Looks like he's back to his true love, gateway armies.
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On January 31 2016 11:23 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
Thing I'd never though I'd see: HuK with mass skytoss lategame army Don't worry. Looks like he's back to his true love, gateway armies.
No upgrades. Z is maxed. It's ogre.
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On January 31 2016 11:24 Mozdk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 11:23 Phredxor wrote:On January 31 2016 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
Thing I'd never though I'd see: HuK with mass skytoss lategame army Don't worry. Looks like he's back to his true love, gateway armies. No upgrades. Z is maxed. It's ogre.
Blink stalkers can do amazing things.
But not today.
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On January 31 2016 11:25 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 11:24 Mozdk wrote:On January 31 2016 11:23 Phredxor wrote:On January 31 2016 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
Thing I'd never though I'd see: HuK with mass skytoss lategame army Don't worry. Looks like he's back to his true love, gateway armies. No upgrades. Z is maxed. It's ogre. Blink stalkers can do amazing things. But not today.
In LotV? I don't think so.
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On January 31 2016 11:29 CheddarToss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 11:25 Phredxor wrote:On January 31 2016 11:24 Mozdk wrote:On January 31 2016 11:23 Phredxor wrote:On January 31 2016 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
Thing I'd never though I'd see: HuK with mass skytoss lategame army Don't worry. Looks like he's back to his true love, gateway armies. No upgrades. Z is maxed. It's ogre. Blink stalkers can do amazing things. But not today. In LotV? I don't think so.
They still can. Not against 7 base lurker/broodlord/infestor/ultra/ravager though.
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On January 31 2016 11:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 11:29 CheddarToss wrote:On January 31 2016 11:25 Phredxor wrote:On January 31 2016 11:24 Mozdk wrote:On January 31 2016 11:23 Phredxor wrote:On January 31 2016 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
Thing I'd never though I'd see: HuK with mass skytoss lategame army Don't worry. Looks like he's back to his true love, gateway armies. No upgrades. Z is maxed. It's ogre. Blink stalkers can do amazing things. But not today. In LotV? I don't think so. They still can. Not against 7 base lurker/broodlord/infestor/ultra/ravager though.
Not even against a 3 base roach/ravager.
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On January 31 2016 11:23 Phredxor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 10:33 Shellshock wrote:
Thing I'd never though I'd see: HuK with mass skytoss lategame army Don't worry. Looks like he's back to his true love, gateway armies.
Yeah he played a good game 1... Not sure why he isn't opening stargate every PvZ unless he's planning an adept attack or something. I want him to look at Protosses who do that and see the difference in how the games go then robo and no stargates.
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United States97276 Posts
pretty surprised to see viOLet fail here after his DH run
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Huk going the fullest of NA in game 3
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awkard decision making by huk
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it was long ago I saw a protoss losing to banshees :D
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The most stable terran army composition is from TY build with MMM + liberator + widow mine.The rest like tank + marine , MMM + liberator just got figured out by protoss player in dream hack.
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Australia18228 Posts
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That match was pretty good. Bob confirmed OP
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United States97276 Posts
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... phew!
HuK is making cheering exhausting. My poor nerves!
ONE MORE.
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On January 31 2016 12:41 Shellshock wrote:
pretty surprised to see viOLet fail here after his DH run
Drogo wasn't even in the finals in EU so I'm not totally surprised Violet didn't win the NA ones. Neeb is a monster so I'm not surprised Violet lost to him
EDIT: Interesting to note both players who State lost to qualified in the winners side of the finals
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Annyeong HEE gyesaeyo and annyeong HEE gahsaeyo Nathanias! Come on, now.
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Huk could have made his third 2 minutes ago
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I feel like huk should have taken his third and probed up while he was harrasing w/ the stalkers
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... Tanks? Uh.
Huk, please.
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Why was Huk trying to use blink stalkers against tanks and PDD?
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United States97276 Posts
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That was hard to watch. Such low level of play. And Nathanias not even trying to hide his cringeworthy Terran bias.
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On January 31 2016 13:29 CheddarToss wrote:
That was hard to watch. Such low level of play. And Nathanias not even trying to hide his cringeworthy Terran bias.
I am not a Nathanias fan, but he is not the most biased (rifktin who was also casting this is much worse).
But overall I feel underwhelmed so far. Feels lower level game play, and I am so sick of watching games with liberators.
All that being said: good luck MaSa.
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On January 31 2016 13:38 Hotshot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2016 13:29 CheddarToss wrote:
That was hard to watch. Such low level of play. And Nathanias not even trying to hide his cringeworthy Terran bias. I am not a Nathanias fan, but he is not the most biased (rifktin who was also casting this is much worse). But overall I feel underwhelmed so far. Feels lower level game play, and I am so sick of watching games with liberators. All that being said: good luck MaSa.
I also watched some games on rifktin's stream, but had to mute him because I was also watching a show on TV. But yeah, he does seem like someone who enjoys QQing.
As for the level of play: I found Neeb's games quite good. Huk on the other hand seemed quite sloppy and suicidal at times. And stubbornly refusing to build a stargate cost him more than one game.
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Qualifier number 3 coming up tonight!
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indeed. GL for the players.
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Mario vs UpATree Game 2 taking Terran to strange new openers.
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Does anyone know a stream for State - Erik?
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Did anyone catch why Huk didn't want Nathanias casting his game?
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On February 04 2016 10:10 Xaeldaren wrote:
Did anyone catch why Huk didn't want Nathanias casting his game?
Nathanias reported that HuK doesn't want anybody casting his games.
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On February 04 2016 10:10 Xaeldaren wrote:
Did anyone catch why Huk didn't want Nathanias casting his game?
Huk tends to not like casters in his games during important qualifiers. And IEM rules says he can turn down anyone but the "Official streamer" of which there is none for this
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On February 04 2016 10:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 10:10 Xaeldaren wrote:
Did anyone catch why Huk didn't want Nathanias casting his game? Huk tends to not like casters in his games during important qualifiers. And IEM rules says he can turn down anyone but the "Official streamer" of which there is none for this
Still blows my mind he wouldn't let Nate or someone like Take or BaseTrade
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On February 04 2016 10:12 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 10:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On February 04 2016 10:10 Xaeldaren wrote:
Did anyone catch why Huk didn't want Nathanias casting his game? Huk tends to not like casters in his games during important qualifiers. And IEM rules says he can turn down anyone but the "Official streamer" of which there is none for this Still blows my mind he wouldn't let Nate or someone like Take or BaseTrade
Actually TaKeTV is official afaik ;-)
Edit: confirmed by the admin
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Wait so Winter beat Desrow? Lol
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On February 04 2016 10:33 vult wrote:
Wait so Winter beat Desrow? Lol
Can you beat Winter?
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Last bracket is stacked
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yo fucking rigged bracket HuK State viOLet and Scarlett? come on man i just want her to qualify goddamn
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I'm surprised; HuK vs Scarlett is being casted by Nathanias right now.
Well...hopefully he wins.
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avilo is dying to zerg, it's pretty funny to watch him complain endlessly
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Man scarlett playing without spore crawlers or scouting what she's up against, takes so much more damage then she should xD
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United States97276 Posts
No shame in being knocked out by the GOAT NA player
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On February 04 2016 11:51 Shellshock wrote:
No shame in being knocked out by the GOAT NA player
idra retired years ago
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On February 04 2016 11:32 blade55555 wrote:
Man scarlett playing without spore crawlers or scouting what she's up against, takes so much more damage then she should xD
Meanwhile PiG scouts everything, and yet still doesn't build spores...
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I wanted to watch pili just focus the spawning pool and kill it before pig could make a new building
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On February 04 2016 12:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I wanted to watch pili just focus the spawning pool and kill it before pig could make a new building
There was an extractor left at PiG's base.
Really sloppy game from both sides.
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On February 04 2016 12:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 12:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I wanted to watch pili just focus the spawning pool and kill it before pig could make a new building There was an extractor left at PiG's base. Really sloppy game from both sides.
Are you sure? It looked like there wasn't anything except the hatch/pool in pili's third
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On February 04 2016 12:12 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 12:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 04 2016 12:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I wanted to watch pili just focus the spawning pool and kill it before pig could make a new building There was an extractor left at PiG's base. Really sloppy game from both sides. Are you sure? It looked like there wasn't anything except the hatch/pool in pili's third
Yeah. It was shown on screen briefly.
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On February 04 2016 12:27 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 12:12 chipmonklord17 wrote:On February 04 2016 12:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 04 2016 12:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I wanted to watch pili just focus the spawning pool and kill it before pig could make a new building There was an extractor left at PiG's base. Really sloppy game from both sides. Are you sure? It looked like there wasn't anything except the hatch/pool in pili's third Yeah. It was shown on screen briefly.
Oh okay, I'm playing and watching a little in between matches so I probably missed it.
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Man, the 3 best Canadians in this got so unlucky with the brackets. One killed the other and then both got Violet. That's just bad luck when looking at some of the other brackets in this.
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so iA lost to Jonsnow? How did that happen
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On February 04 2016 12:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Man, the 3 best Canadians in this got so unlucky with the brackets. One killed the other and then both got Violet. That's just bad luck when looking at some of the other brackets in this.
wait what ... it was bad luck. they don't suck, canada doesn't suck ? (forgive me i had to hehehe)
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On February 04 2016 14:08 Butters (Scot) wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2016 12:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Man, the 3 best Canadians in this got so unlucky with the brackets. One killed the other and then both got Violet. That's just bad luck when looking at some of the other brackets in this. wait what ... it was bad luck. they don't suck, canada doesn't suck ? (forgive me i had to hehehe)
I am actually capable of a rational, non-emotion fueled thought every once in a while
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Scarlett's out (never even made it through one), Huk's out, Semper's out, NoRegret's out.... go Drunkenboi I guess? These qualifiers are depressing man
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3rd time in the finals in 4 qualifiers. He fucking has to do it this time. Anything else will be disgusting for him.
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On February 05 2016 12:29 Mozdk wrote:
3rd time in the finals in 4 qualifiers. He fucking has to do it this time. Anything else will be disgusting for him.
State got a pretty massive lead atm.
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State made it, which is nice. He certainly deserves it. Hopefully he can make it through phase 2 of the qualifiers.
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On February 05 2016 12:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
State made it, which is nice. He certainly deserves it. Hopefully he can make it through phase 2 of the qualifiers.
Yeah i'd love to see State go on a good run.
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United States97276 Posts
oh hey Suppy played. kind of neat to see some guys who have disappeared make an appearance
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PandaBearMe made it. I like him based on his name alone.
puck made it through too now, meaning 0 Canadians advanced today.
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I'm guessing this is the thread for the NA qualifier? Looks like Nate and Basetrade are casting. gogo iAsonu!
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Nate is not listed on TL as a caster atm.
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Nate's brain just made Nate's body orgasm.
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Nathanias is making this successful mass reaper strategy actually fun to watch.
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With Major getting in from the upper bracket I hope we get State from the lower bracket. There's no way Kelazhur doesn't get in via copa america
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State isnt really gonna do well anywhere because of his vZ, lots of zergs around these days
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Canada8989 Posts
It is great to know that how bad Canada may be, we are still not worst that the US
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On February 07 2016 12:06 Nakajin wrote:
It is great to know that how bad Canada may be, we are still not worst that the US
Are we talking about in Starcraft, or grammar?
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Canada5565 Posts
Nathanias is such a good caster. He adds so much entertainment value.
Every tournament, please. Co-casting with Huk.
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On February 07 2016 12:40 Xxio wrote:
Nathanias is such a good caster. He adds so much entertainment value.
Every tournament, please. Co-casting with Huk.
Yeah, this is really fun. I feel like the cast is matching my saturday night relaxing, and it just adds to the enjoyment. Whataguy.
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Canada8989 Posts
On February 07 2016 12:30 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 12:06 Nakajin wrote:
It is great to know that how bad Canada may be, we are still not worst that the US Are we talking about in Starcraft, or grammar?
Well I am pretty sure I still win the french grammar
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Nathanias just let loose on how the game is balanced... Liberators OP, Ultras OP...
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United States97276 Posts
On February 07 2016 12:06 Nakajin wrote:
It is great to know that how bad Canada may be, we are still not worst that the US
They each only had 1 player qualify so it sounds like they're pretty equal right now
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On February 07 2016 13:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
Nathanias just let loose on how the game is balanced... Liberators OP, Ultras OP...
The thing about Ultras is they're not even OP. Terran goes bio all game and makes no attempt to switch to something that will do well against ultras, then complain about bio. Ghosts shred ultras (although Blizzard should explore some change to snipe to not make a single fungal end games), liberators are good against ultras. Mech units are good against ultras. Marines and Marauders aren't good against ultras.
Terran just needs to adapt to dealing with them. Don't just blindly go 3/3 mass barracks and then die
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Canada8989 Posts
On February 07 2016 13:24 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 12:06 Nakajin wrote:
It is great to know that how bad Canada may be, we are still not worst that the US They each only had 1 player qualify so it sounds like they're pretty equal right now
Yes, but I prefer to see the bright side of life.
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On February 07 2016 13:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 13:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
Nathanias just let loose on how the game is balanced... Liberators OP, Ultras OP... The thing about Ultras is they're not even OP. Terran goes bio all game and makes no attempt to switch to something that will do well against ultras, then complain about bio. Ghosts shred ultras (although Blizzard should explore some change to snipe to not make a single fungal end games), liberators are good against ultras. Mech units are good against ultras. Marines and Marauders aren't good against ultras. Terran just needs to adapt to dealing with them. Don't just blindly go 3/3 mass barracks and then die
I just want you to know from the terran perspective, literally everything we do is geared to getting onto 3 bases without dying to [insertzergattack/"pressure"here] which 99% of the time requires stim, combat shields and medivacs with bio. Mech was always known for a weak start and still is if you're crazy enough to do it.
Unless you like sitting in your base while the enemy takes the map, you HAVE to apply constant pressure and outmacro your enemy which means nonstop spending on that early infrastructure. Unless you are playing Dusk Towers, switching to another form of tech when you've invested 150x9rax minerals and 8x50gas per reactor and 200/200 for 1/1, 175/175x2 for 22 and possibly 250/250x2 for 33 as well as 250 for double ebay and THEN 200/150 for a reactor port with medivacs to support that, you it takes forever to get anything else that's useful vs that, especially considering that all the things that are good vs ultras are flat-out awful vs every other form of tech. Zerg scouts, makes the choice once a terran commits 500/300 to 3 factories (not counting add-ons) and just goes blords instead of ultras.
If you can't see why "switching out of bio" isn't an option, you've never played terran above diamond level. Sorry.
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On February 07 2016 13:41 Nathanias wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 13:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:On February 07 2016 13:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
Nathanias just let loose on how the game is balanced... Liberators OP, Ultras OP... The thing about Ultras is they're not even OP. Terran goes bio all game and makes no attempt to switch to something that will do well against ultras, then complain about bio. Ghosts shred ultras (although Blizzard should explore some change to snipe to not make a single fungal end games), liberators are good against ultras. Mech units are good against ultras. Marines and Marauders aren't good against ultras. Terran just needs to adapt to dealing with them. Don't just blindly go 3/3 mass barracks and then die I just want you to know from the terran perspective, literally everything we do is geared to getting onto 3 bases without dying to [insertzergattack/"pressure"here] which 99% of the time requires stim, combat shields and medivacs with bio. Mech was always known for a weak start and still is if you're crazy enough to do it. Unless you like sitting in your base while the enemy takes the map, you HAVE to apply constant pressure and outmacro your enemy which means nonstop spending on that early infrastructure. Unless you are playing Dusk Towers, switching to another form of tech when you've invested 150x9rax minerals and 8x50gas per reactor and 200/200 for 1/1, 175/175x2 for 22 and possibly 250/250x2 for 33 as well as 250 for double ebay and THEN 200/150 for a reactor port with medivacs to support that, you it takes forever to get anything else that's useful vs that, especially considering that all the things that are good vs ultras are flat-out awful vs every other form of tech. Zerg scouts, makes the choice once a terran commits 500/300 to 3 factories (not counting add-ons) and just goes blords instead of ultras. If you can't see why "switching out of bio" isn't an option, you've never played terran above diamond level. Sorry.
Aren't ghosts and liberators still good versus broodlords? While my responses themselves are more theorycrafting than anything else, my point is that it seems ridiculous that people complain so much about ultras in games where the Terran player doesn't actually get the things that are good against ultras. Again, I'd like to see the fungal/snipe interaction change in a way that isn't stupidly zerg favored but it just doesn't seem like marines and marauders not beating ultras is a warranted complaint.
You're right about not playing terran at a diamond level, the last time I played terran was back in WoL and I appreciate the insight.
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On February 07 2016 13:52 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 13:41 Nathanias wrote:On February 07 2016 13:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:On February 07 2016 13:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
Nathanias just let loose on how the game is balanced... Liberators OP, Ultras OP... The thing about Ultras is they're not even OP. Terran goes bio all game and makes no attempt to switch to something that will do well against ultras, then complain about bio. Ghosts shred ultras (although Blizzard should explore some change to snipe to not make a single fungal end games), liberators are good against ultras. Mech units are good against ultras. Marines and Marauders aren't good against ultras. Terran just needs to adapt to dealing with them. Don't just blindly go 3/3 mass barracks and then die I just want you to know from the terran perspective, literally everything we do is geared to getting onto 3 bases without dying to [insertzergattack/"pressure"here] which 99% of the time requires stim, combat shields and medivacs with bio. Mech was always known for a weak start and still is if you're crazy enough to do it. Unless you like sitting in your base while the enemy takes the map, you HAVE to apply constant pressure and outmacro your enemy which means nonstop spending on that early infrastructure. Unless you are playing Dusk Towers, switching to another form of tech when you've invested 150x9rax minerals and 8x50gas per reactor and 200/200 for 1/1, 175/175x2 for 22 and possibly 250/250x2 for 33 as well as 250 for double ebay and THEN 200/150 for a reactor port with medivacs to support that, you it takes forever to get anything else that's useful vs that, especially considering that all the things that are good vs ultras are flat-out awful vs every other form of tech. Zerg scouts, makes the choice once a terran commits 500/300 to 3 factories (not counting add-ons) and just goes blords instead of ultras. If you can't see why "switching out of bio" isn't an option, you've never played terran above diamond level. Sorry. Aren't ghosts and liberators still good versus broodlords? While my responses themselves are more theorycrafting than anything else, my point is that it seems ridiculous that people complain so much about ultras in games where the Terran player doesn't actually get the things that are good against ultras. Again, I'd like to see the fungal/snipe interaction change in a way that isn't stupidly zerg favored but it just doesn't seem like marines and marauders not beating ultras is a warranted complaint. You're right about not playing terran at a diamond level, the last time I played terran was back in WoL and I appreciate the insight.
I appreciate your respectful response as I am not trying to demean you in any way.
Anyway, my response to the things you've asked about are as follows:
-Ghost snipe lock-on range is like 8 or 9 maybe? Broodlords have 11.5 range and a broodling cancels snipe. If you can get ghosts under blords with time to snipe your opponent is probably afk.
-Liberators are not good vs broodlords unless your opponent has no support for them and clumps them up. If they have blords they should have vipers/corrupters both of which when spread can handle broods long enough.
If your argument is that you have 20 libs then you are playing on Dusk towers and have found the one map that lets you properly handle this army comp without having 500 apm.
Snipe not being cancelled is the best change they could make to the ghost, people were using them every game until zerg realized that suiciding 10 banes to either kill all ghosts or cancel snipes was enough, OR one fungal to win since ifestors are huge and using EMP instead of snipe also solves the same goal of making the ultras able to run in
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On February 07 2016 14:04 Nathanias wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2016 13:52 chipmonklord17 wrote:On February 07 2016 13:41 Nathanias wrote:On February 07 2016 13:31 chipmonklord17 wrote:On February 07 2016 13:21 BronzeKnee wrote:
Nathanias just let loose on how the game is balanced... Liberators OP, Ultras OP... The thing about Ultras is they're not even OP. Terran goes bio all game and makes no attempt to switch to something that will do well against ultras, then complain about bio. Ghosts shred ultras (although Blizzard should explore some change to snipe to not make a single fungal end games), liberators are good against ultras. Mech units are good against ultras. Marines and Marauders aren't good against ultras. Terran just needs to adapt to dealing with them. Don't just blindly go 3/3 mass barracks and then die I just want you to know from the terran perspective, literally everything we do is geared to getting onto 3 bases without dying to [insertzergattack/"pressure"here] which 99% of the time requires stim, combat shields and medivacs with bio. Mech was always known for a weak start and still is if you're crazy enough to do it. Unless you like sitting in your base while the enemy takes the map, you HAVE to apply constant pressure and outmacro your enemy which means nonstop spending on that early infrastructure. Unless you are playing Dusk Towers, switching to another form of tech when you've invested 150x9rax minerals and 8x50gas per reactor and 200/200 for 1/1, 175/175x2 for 22 and possibly 250/250x2 for 33 as well as 250 for double ebay and THEN 200/150 for a reactor port with medivacs to support that, you it takes forever to get anything else that's useful vs that, especially considering that all the things that are good vs ultras are flat-out awful vs every other form of tech. Zerg scouts, makes the choice once a terran commits 500/300 to 3 factories (not counting add-ons) and just goes blords instead of ultras. If you can't see why "switching out of bio" isn't an option, you've never played terran above diamond level. Sorry. Aren't ghosts and liberators still good versus broodlords? While my responses themselves are more theorycrafting than anything else, my point is that it seems ridiculous that people complain so much about ultras in games where the Terran player doesn't actually get the things that are good against ultras. Again, I'd like to see the fungal/snipe interaction change in a way that isn't stupidly zerg favored but it just doesn't seem like marines and marauders not beating ultras is a warranted complaint. You're right about not playing terran at a diamond level, the last time I played terran was back in WoL and I appreciate the insight. I appreciate your respectful response as I am not trying to demean you in any way. Anyway, my response to the things you've asked about are as follows: -Ghost snipe lock-on range is like 8 or 9 maybe? Broodlords have 11.5 range and a broodling cancels snipe. If you can get ghosts under blords with time to snipe your opponent is probably afk. -Liberators are not good vs broodlords unless your opponent has no support for them and clumps them up. If they have blords they should have vipers/corrupters both of which when spread can handle broods long enough. If your argument is that you have 20 libs then you are playing on Dusk towers and have found the one map that lets you properly handle this army comp without having 500 apm. Snipe not being cancelled is the best change they could make to the ghost, people were using them every game until zerg realized that suiciding 10 banes to either kill all ghosts or cancel snipes was enough, OR one fungal to win since ifestors are huge and using EMP instead of snipe also solves the same goal of making the ultras able to run in
I guess I'm more used to cloaked ghosts sniping my overseers into oblivion than I am about Broodlord ghost interactions
It just seems weird to see players NOT going for ghosts when they know ultras are coming, and then dying because their marines/marauders can't deal with them. I guess I'm just not convinced its imbalance and not inadequately dealing with what's attacking you. But its also very easy to say that from diamond league
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Tl;dr terran needs a composition for whatever the zerg has but 80% of it becomes useless once ultras pop out, if you are ahead economically you can take the gamble and add ghosts / liberators but it would not be that great and the zerg has powerful tech switches and nydus/cracklings going for him.
Plus having to fight things that won't die but shred your army in one click is the worst fun killing design.
Why no liquipedia on IEM OP?
The ESL brackets are not smartphone friendly :/.
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