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I just honestly want to see slightly longer games, more map-control focused strategies... more like a chess match, more movement across the maps... fewer deathballs, less static turtling. less all-in gimmicky timing BS. maybe it's just me.
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On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good?
herO took the Protoss book of bullshit and beat TY to death with it, even when it seemed like TY's defense was really good, it turned out that it wasn't. The level of play was very high from both players which makes herO's win much more palatable, but the MU seems sketchy as hell.
g1 was literally "failed proxy oracle (dead stargate) into failed msc pressure (dead msc) into adept pressure into still having a superior economy somehow despite only killing 4 SCVs into oracle harass into disruptor warp prism harass."
TY was able to stabilize in G2 and the game went on, so that was the best one. Sorry vs Symbol was pretty wild as well.
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On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see  herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level.
floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2.
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On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2.
Turns out the game is hard.
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On December 15 2015 21:52 pure.Wasted wrote:herO took the Protoss book of bullshit and beat TY to death with it, even when it seemed like TY's defense was really good, it turned out that it wasn't. The level of play was very high from both players which makes herO's win much more palatable, but the MU seems sketchy as hell. g1 was literally "failed proxy oracle into failed msc pressure into adept pressure into still having a superior economy somehow despite only killing 4 SCVs into oracle harass into disruptor warp prism harass."
seriously Game 1 was just obnoxious to watch. that's not what top-level RTS should be.
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On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2.
I don't recall him floating that much money before TY unpowered all his gateways.
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On December 15 2015 21:54 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2. I don't recall him floating that much money before TY unpowered all his gateways.
I might have missed something, just trying to understand the matchup and what went wrong on that map for herO.
edit: it really felt like herO just kinda threw that game, guess I'll just rewatch.
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On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2.
1k gas bank isn't much for Protoss because of how warp-ins work. You warp-in 10 Stalkers and 2 Templar and thats 800 gas right there. At high-levels a player is rarely going to throw the game on their own without great play by their opponent.
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On December 15 2015 21:57 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2. 1k gas bank isn't much for Protoss because of how warp-ins work. You warp-in 10 Stalkers and 2 Templar and thats 800 gas right there. At high-levels a player is rarely going to throw the game on their own without great play by their opponent.
I get that. It just felt like herO had a clear super long timing window to aggress and beat down on TY to take the map but he just sat back.
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On December 15 2015 21:55 jonich0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:54 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2. I don't recall him floating that much money before TY unpowered all his gateways. I might have missed something, just trying to understand the matchup and what went wrong on that map for herO. edit: it really felt like herO just kinda threw that game, guess I'll just rewatch.
He's a Protoss, you always float minerals to warp in either for harass or for defense. Plus he was trying to build up a templar count which means he has a lot of minerals left over naturally.
On December 15 2015 22:00 jonich0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:57 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2. 1k gas bank isn't much for Protoss because of how warp-ins work. You warp-in 10 Stalkers and 2 Templar and thats 800 gas right there. At high-levels a player is rarely going to throw the game on their own without great play by their opponent. I get that. It just felt like herO had a clear super long timing window to aggress and beat down on TY to take the map but he just sat back.
He'd have to run all his units into mines and liberators. That's super inefficient.
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On December 15 2015 22:00 jonich0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:57 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2. 1k gas bank isn't much for Protoss because of how warp-ins work. You warp-in 10 Stalkers and 2 Templar and thats 800 gas right there. At high-levels a player is rarely going to throw the game on their own without great play by their opponent. I get that. It just felt like herO had a clear super long timing window to aggress and beat down on TY to take the map but he just sat back.
clearly still used to his HOTS PvT style where comfortably macro's and beat the shit out of his opponents, not a good translation into Legacy though
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Yay sorry !
I got a feeling the young T hopes of HOTS will do great in LOTV.
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On December 15 2015 22:01 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 21:55 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:54 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2. I don't recall him floating that much money before TY unpowered all his gateways. I might have missed something, just trying to understand the matchup and what went wrong on that map for herO. edit: it really felt like herO just kinda threw that game, guess I'll just rewatch. He's a Protoss, you always float minerals to warp in either for harass or for defense. Plus he was trying to build up a templar count which means he has a lot of minerals left over naturally. Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 22:00 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:57 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2. 1k gas bank isn't much for Protoss because of how warp-ins work. You warp-in 10 Stalkers and 2 Templar and thats 800 gas right there. At high-levels a player is rarely going to throw the game on their own without great play by their opponent. I get that. It just felt like herO had a clear super long timing window to aggress and beat down on TY to take the map but he just sat back. He'd have to run all his units into mines and liberators. That's super inefficient.
yeah I just rewatched that map. TY made a nice play to take out the greedy fast 4th from herO, and outmaneuvered the less mobile Protoss army on that big map...
and yes, TY looks to have been damn hard to break on 3 bases there with those Libs and Widow Mines, on that specific map.
my question is, is it basically impossible for a maxed 200/200 Protoss army with a big bank to re-supply to break a turtling 3-base Terran with Liberators?
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On December 15 2015 22:12 jonich0n wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 22:01 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:55 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:54 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2. I don't recall him floating that much money before TY unpowered all his gateways. I might have missed something, just trying to understand the matchup and what went wrong on that map for herO. edit: it really felt like herO just kinda threw that game, guess I'll just rewatch. He's a Protoss, you always float minerals to warp in either for harass or for defense. Plus he was trying to build up a templar count which means he has a lot of minerals left over naturally. On December 15 2015 22:00 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:57 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:52 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 ZAiNs wrote:On December 15 2015 21:49 jonich0n wrote:On December 15 2015 21:46 Elentos wrote:On December 15 2015 21:44 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Were the game any good? TY vs herO was pretty high level, "good" I guess depends on what you want to see herO played "high level" in Game 2? really? you think so? herO always plays high-level. floating 3k minerals, and 1k gas in Game 2 when he had a bit of an advantage on TY? I don't know, from what I saw, I saw herO throwing away a huge advantage in mid-game in Map 2. 1k gas bank isn't much for Protoss because of how warp-ins work. You warp-in 10 Stalkers and 2 Templar and thats 800 gas right there. At high-levels a player is rarely going to throw the game on their own without great play by their opponent. I get that. It just felt like herO had a clear super long timing window to aggress and beat down on TY to take the map but he just sat back. He'd have to run all his units into mines and liberators. That's super inefficient. yeah I just rewatched that map. TY made a nice play to take out the greedy fast 4th from herO, and outmaneuvered the less mobile Protoss army on that big map... and yes, TY looks to have been damn hard to break on 3 bases there with those Libs and Widow Mines, on that specific map. my question is, is it basically impossible for a maxed 200/200 Protoss army with a big bank to re-supply to break a turtling 3-base Terran with Liberators?
I'm guessing Protoss would need Tempest/Carriers to beat such turtling now? herO was going for tempest composition before he got killed so there's that.
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and despite being basically a Flash and KT fanboy forever I'm super tempted to board the Sorry hype train. god I'm a horrible person.
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The Sorry hype train might crash really hard in 2 days, maybe wait until then to board.
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On December 15 2015 22:21 Elentos wrote:
The Sorry hype train might crash really hard in 2 days, maybe wait until then to board.
Lol, "might"
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On December 15 2015 22:24 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2015 22:21 Elentos wrote:
The Sorry hype train might crash really hard in 2 days, maybe wait until then to board. Lol, "might"
I'll wait to see what cheese he does against Protoss first
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On December 15 2015 22:21 Elentos wrote:
The Sorry hype train might crash really hard in 2 days, maybe wait until then to board.
Ah, you're right. Didn't realize he was going to go up against a Protoss next round. I'm well off then.
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Poor TY lol gotta see the vods when I get home. I suspect some toss shenanigans here
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EPT
