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Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
December 05 2015 20:59 GMT
#221
So serious, is there a single Zerg there today who ever played against reapers before? Sure I am not a pro, but the BOs of them against every time the same strategy are not exactly the standard counters to reapers, and they didnt work obviously. Why not just mass speedlings and be done with it?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
December 05 2015 20:59 GMT
#222
Ha ha ha go France !!!
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 05 2015 21:00 GMT
#223
On December 06 2015 05:58 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
this cast is going to get very obnoxious if france keeps winning

but imagine if they lose
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
December 05 2015 21:00 GMT
#224
On December 06 2015 05:58 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 05:57 Elentos wrote:
Elazer lost patience, that was a throw.

there was an army shooting at his drones i don't think it's a good choice to have patience and just let his drones die

Even if he loses the drones, if he cleans up the army he either outright wins or the game goes on for another while. He didn't have to fight under 3 siege tanks and a liberator immediately. And if he was serious about it he should have pulled the drones to attack since there were no medivacs anyway.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 05 2015 21:00 GMT
#225
It's quite amazing that the viewership is similar to the last DreamHack.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
December 05 2015 21:02 GMT
#226
On December 06 2015 06:00 Boucot wrote:
It's quite amazing that the viewership is similar to the last DreamHack.

22k?
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 05 2015 21:02 GMT
#227
On December 06 2015 05:59 Sissors wrote:
So serious, is there a single Zerg there today who ever played against reapers before? Sure I am not a pro, but the BOs of them against every time the same strategy are not exactly the standard counters to reapers, and they didnt work obviously. Why not just mass speedlings and be done with it?


I think roaches are the most standard counter against them. With 3rax reapers when you mass lings and they mass reapers and they just stay out of harms way, you eventually end up with a shitty drone count and he still has his massive reaper army to fight another day. You have to hope for the terran to overcommit with his reapers if you mass lings. Which will often happen, but you give the game complete into the hands of the Terran decision making.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
December 05 2015 21:02 GMT
#228
On December 06 2015 06:00 Boucot wrote:
It's quite amazing that the viewership is similar to the last DreamHack.

I mean the production value is about the same, so not too surprising
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 05 2015 21:02 GMT
#229
On December 06 2015 06:02 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 06:00 Boucot wrote:
It's quite amazing that the viewership is similar to the last DreamHack.

22k?

it's about what day 1 of DH hit
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
December 05 2015 21:03 GMT
#230
On December 06 2015 06:02 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 06:00 Boucot wrote:
It's quite amazing that the viewership is similar to the last DreamHack.

22k?

Yeah http://www.fuzic.nl/events/6638-dreamhack-roccat-lotv-championship/
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
December 05 2015 21:03 GMT
#231
is it a girl under the blankets or a dog
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
December 05 2015 21:04 GMT
#232
Next week the viewership will be 16 million because all of the Netherlands will tune into cheer so we can at least qualify for one event in France.
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-05 21:04:40
December 05 2015 21:04 GMT
#233
On December 06 2015 05:59 Sissors wrote:
So serious, is there a single Zerg there today who ever played against reapers before? Sure I am not a pro, but the BOs of them against every time the same strategy are not exactly the standard counters to reapers, and they didnt work obviously. Why not just mass speedlings and be done with it?


3 Rax reaper is a very good build in term of game design because there is no hardcounter vs it. You have to adapt defend but not commit too much. It's the same on the terran side you have to constantly juge when to stop and transition. Counter attack is often a bad idea due to how grenades are good to delay the push.

There is no easy response to this build. except some blind counter.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
December 05 2015 21:04 GMT
#234
"the country of the love" this stream is going wild
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
December 05 2015 21:05 GMT
#235


finally casters, finally
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-05 21:06:15
December 05 2015 21:06 GMT
#236
I was gonna do something but then ToD's "Nice guys always finish last" comment threw me off and I forgot. Damn it ToD.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
December 05 2015 21:07 GMT
#237
On December 06 2015 06:02 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 05:59 Sissors wrote:
So serious, is there a single Zerg there today who ever played against reapers before? Sure I am not a pro, but the BOs of them against every time the same strategy are not exactly the standard counters to reapers, and they didnt work obviously. Why not just mass speedlings and be done with it?


I think roaches are the most standard counter against them. With 3rax reapers when you mass lings and they mass reapers and they just stay out of harms way, you eventually end up with a shitty drone count and he still has his massive reaper army to fight another day. You have to hope for the terran to overcommit with his reapers if you mass lings. Which will often happen, but you give the game complete into the hands of the Terran decision making.

With purely defensive roaches I can agree as one of the standard counters. However he sacrificed alot to make alot of them. And then you attack and you get exactly what you saw here: Despite it being close spawns your roaches arrive with half HP due to all the grenades. And then actually MarineLord should have had 5 SCVs repairing that bunker, on the other hand even without that he defended fine. It was just completely throwing away those units without any gain.
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
December 05 2015 21:08 GMT
#238
On December 06 2015 06:06 Elentos wrote:
I was gonna do something but then ToD's "Nice guys always finish last" comment threw me off and I forgot. Damn it ToD.

I think nice guys generally don't get to come at all.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
December 05 2015 21:09 GMT
#239
On December 06 2015 06:08 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 06:06 Elentos wrote:
I was gonna do something but then ToD's "Nice guys always finish last" comment threw me off and I forgot. Damn it ToD.

I think nice guys generally don't get to come at all.

ayyyyyy
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
December 05 2015 21:10 GMT
#240
On December 06 2015 06:07 Sissors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2015 06:02 Big J wrote:
On December 06 2015 05:59 Sissors wrote:
So serious, is there a single Zerg there today who ever played against reapers before? Sure I am not a pro, but the BOs of them against every time the same strategy are not exactly the standard counters to reapers, and they didnt work obviously. Why not just mass speedlings and be done with it?


I think roaches are the most standard counter against them. With 3rax reapers when you mass lings and they mass reapers and they just stay out of harms way, you eventually end up with a shitty drone count and he still has his massive reaper army to fight another day. You have to hope for the terran to overcommit with his reapers if you mass lings. Which will often happen, but you give the game complete into the hands of the Terran decision making.

With purely defensive roaches I can agree as one of the standard counters. However he sacrificed alot to make alot of them. And then you attack and you get exactly what you saw here: Despite it being close spawns your roaches arrive with half HP due to all the grenades. And then actually MarineLord should have had 5 SCVs repairing that bunker, on the other hand even without that he defended fine. It was just completely throwing away those units without any gain.

His gain was that he got rid of the reapers and forced Mlord into a 2base build with late tech and no upgrades. The economy after that wasn't that bad for Elazor in comparison to his opponent imo, he just didn't scout the 2 base allin follow up.
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