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17%
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0%
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0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Bomber vs Dark
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: MyuNgSiK vs soO
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11%
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0%
19 total votes
Your vote: DongRaeGu vs Classic
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
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0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Jjakji vs Dream
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Ace Match
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On June 23 2015 05:40 OtherWorld wrote: Me supporting CJ forces me to cheer for SKT against my third or fourth favorite team in PL. You have no idea how dirty I feel.
But you're cheering for SKT to support your favourite team, that should totally balance it out.
On June 23 2015 05:40 OtherWorld wrote: Me supporting CJ forces me to cheer for SKT against my third or fourth favorite team in PL. You have no idea how dirty I feel.
But you're cheering for SKT to support your favourite team, that should totally balance it out.
It should, but cheering for SKT feels so... unnatural. Like having to kill one of your close friends in order to protect a closer friend or your gf. It's just hard to do.
On June 23 2015 05:40 OtherWorld wrote: Me supporting CJ forces me to cheer for SKT against my third or fourth favorite team in PL. You have no idea how dirty I feel.
But you're cheering for SKT to support your favourite team, that should totally balance it out.
It should, but cheering for SKT feels so... unnatural. Like having to kill one of your close friends in order to protect a closer friend or your gf. It's just hard to do.
On June 23 2015 05:40 OtherWorld wrote: Me supporting CJ forces me to cheer for SKT against my third or fourth favorite team in PL. You have no idea how dirty I feel.
But you're cheering for SKT to support your favourite team, that should totally balance it out.
It should, but cheering for SKT feels so... unnatural. Like having to kill one of your close friends in order to protect a closer friend or your gf. It's just hard to do.
On June 23 2015 05:40 OtherWorld wrote: Me supporting CJ forces me to cheer for SKT against my third or fourth favorite team in PL. You have no idea how dirty I feel.
But you're cheering for SKT to support your favourite team, that should totally balance it out.
It should, but cheering for SKT feels so... unnatural. Like having to kill one of your close friends in order to protect a closer friend or your gf. It's just hard to do.
Just cheer on the individual players
Cheering for Dark or Classic is even harder than cheering for SKT in general xD
On June 23 2015 05:40 OtherWorld wrote: Me supporting CJ forces me to cheer for SKT against my third or fourth favorite team in PL. You have no idea how dirty I feel.
Well, if Sbenu doesn't make playoffs now, they probably won't make season playoffs.
As a CJ and Sbenu fan, I'm hoping for Sbenu to make it this round.
I'm pretty confident KT gets the win vs MVP but I feel like SBENU can take any of these maps even if SKT wins eventually. I don't know if my heart can take another day of the CJ playoff roller coaster. Still believe in that 3-0 though, help us SK Telecom T1 you are our only hope.
On June 23 2015 17:34 bo1b wrote: Everyone voting for skt should be perma banned imo
Everyone voting for sbenu should be checked in to a mental hospital
You're almost right, everyone voting for sbenu should probably be checked to see just how many standard deviations above the norm there iq is.
Standard crazy person talk right here. Give you a week before you snap and roll around in your own feces. Sad
...
At least I won't be voting for skt.
Yeah get rekt
You mean I voted for esports and the winners? Yeah so rekt
"esports"= buy all the talent and dump your own washed up players
Yeah cause rescuing Dream and Dark from their dead or restructuring teams and then making em good is so shit. Also sponsoring PL man fuck SK. Also those players totally didn't leave on their own to puruse foreign opportunities. Damn them!
On June 23 2015 17:34 bo1b wrote: Everyone voting for skt should be perma banned imo
Everyone voting for sbenu should be checked in to a mental hospital
You're almost right, everyone voting for sbenu should probably be checked to see just how many standard deviations above the norm there iq is.
Standard crazy person talk right here. Give you a week before you snap and roll around in your own feces. Sad
...
At least I won't be voting for skt.
Yeah get rekt
You mean I voted for esports and the winners? Yeah so rekt
"esports"= buy all the talent and dump your own washed up players
Yeah cause rescuing Dream and Dark from their dead or restructuring teams and then making em good is so shit. Also sponsoring PL man fuck SK. Also those players totally didn't leave on their own to puruse foreign opportunities. Damn them!
On June 23 2015 18:25 DarkLordOlli wrote: Well DRG got Classic and seeing how no non-Life zerg even got close to beating him recently, I'm having trouble seeing this end well for Sbenu
That PvZ winrate of Classic since May is pretty sick, yo.
Bomer and Myungsik with weird builds have the best shots at taking maps imo, DRG could channel his old power but Classic is just way too strong and Jjakji could if it gets to it beat Dream unless Dreams mech TvT has shored up his holes.
On June 23 2015 20:20 GumBa wrote: Bomer and Myungsik with weird builds have the best shots at taking maps imo, DRG could channel his old power but Classic is just way too strong and Jjakji could if it gets to it beat Dream unless Dreams mech TvT has shored up his holes.
So, granted I missed map one, but when Dream played TvT against TY in the IEM Qualifier, he didn't mech in 2 of those games. I hope he hasn't given up on it yet.
On June 23 2015 20:20 GumBa wrote: Bomer and Myungsik with weird builds have the best shots at taking maps imo, DRG could channel his old power but Classic is just way too strong and Jjakji could if it gets to it beat Dream unless Dreams mech TvT has shored up his holes.
So, granted I missed map one, but when Dream played TvT against TY in the IEM Qualifier, he didn't mech in 2 of those games. I hope he hasn't given up on it yet.
Yeah he didnt at all but I hope he does because the time he meched it looked really good.
Sbenu needs only one Map. Preparing a few Snipe builds should not be that hard. I expect them to lose 3:1 or 3:2 and advance. Anyway, they have to Advance for Jin Air's sake... I don't want to get CJ. Maru will just get Byuled again...
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17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
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12 total votes
Your vote: Bomber vs Dark
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On June 23 2015 20:53 ~chut~ wrote: I humbly think that terrans should make a raven, just in order to clean the creep. No way to win when the creep is covering 60% of the map.
Bomber spent 0 scans on clearing creep on 3 orbitals. No need to even make a raven.
On June 23 2015 20:52 deacon.frost wrote: Why was Bomber not clearing the creep OMG? ><
If you're giving up on map control early/mid game to gain economic edge, it doesn't make much sense to try to remove all the creep during mid/late game. Bomber instead uses even more mules to gain more economic advantage.
I like his style, but when you know it's coming it's somewhat easy to counter - especially a player of Dark's caliber. Just get 4 base 80+drones and mass units.
Bomber must know something I don't, cause I just cannot see why anyone would ever not go for at least some aggression before the entire map is covered in creep by like the 13 minute mark.
In fact I don't even understand the point of that 3cc build at all, the innovation 3cc build used to push out so early just to crush zergs ability to do anything macro like.
On June 23 2015 20:53 ~chut~ wrote: I humbly think that terrans should make a raven, just in order to clean the creep. No way to win when the creep is covering 60% of the map.
Raven gets sniped by muta flock because it's super slow and then all that gas goes down the drain
On June 23 2015 20:52 deacon.frost wrote: Why was Bomber not clearing the creep OMG? ><
If you're giving up on map control early/mid game to gain economic edge, it doesn't make much sense to try to remove all the creep during mid/late game. Bomber instead uses even more mules to gain more economic advantage.
I like his style, but when you know it's coming it's somewhat easy to counter - especially a player of Dark's caliber. Just get 4 base 80+drones and mass units.
The creep reached Bomber's 3rd base in like 13 minutes, that's just terrible for him.
On June 23 2015 20:52 deacon.frost wrote: Why was Bomber not clearing the creep OMG? ><
If you're giving up on map control early/mid game to gain economic edge, it doesn't make much sense to try to remove all the creep during mid/late game. Bomber instead uses even more mules to gain more economic advantage.
I like his style, but when you know it's coming it's somewhat easy to counter - especially a player of Dark's caliber. Just get 4 base 80+drones and mass units.
The creep reached Bomber's 3rd base in like 13 minutes, that's just terrible for him.
happens in my games on Coda as well, 3rd here is very close to Zerg's 4th
On June 23 2015 20:53 ~chut~ wrote: I humbly think that terrans should make a raven, just in order to clean the creep. No way to win when the creep is covering 60% of the map.
Raven gets sniped by muta flock because it's super slow and then all that gas goes down the drain
On June 23 2015 20:52 deacon.frost wrote: Why was Bomber not clearing the creep OMG? ><
If you're giving up on map control early/mid game to gain economic edge, it doesn't make much sense to try to remove all the creep during mid/late game. Bomber instead uses even more mules to gain more economic advantage.
I like his style, but when you know it's coming it's somewhat easy to counter - especially a player of Dark's caliber. Just get 4 base 80+drones and mass units.
The creep reached Bomber's 3rd base in like 13 minutes, that's just terrible for him.
happens in my games on Coda as well, 3rd here is very close to Zerg's 4th
which makes it really good for aggressive Terrans, but so bad for Bomber
On June 23 2015 20:52 deacon.frost wrote: Why was Bomber not clearing the creep OMG? ><
If you're giving up on map control early/mid game to gain economic edge, it doesn't make much sense to try to remove all the creep during mid/late game. Bomber instead uses even more mules to gain more economic advantage.
I like his style, but when you know it's coming it's somewhat easy to counter - especially a player of Dark's caliber. Just get 4 base 80+drones and mass units.
The creep reached Bomber's 3rd base in like 13 minutes, that's just terrible for him.
Yes I'd like to see him do standard TvZ builds more often, but I guess this 1 rax->3CC build is just how he wins in practice.
On June 23 2015 20:52 deacon.frost wrote: Why was Bomber not clearing the creep OMG? ><
If you're giving up on map control early/mid game to gain economic edge, it doesn't make much sense to try to remove all the creep during mid/late game. Bomber instead uses even more mules to gain more economic advantage.
I like his style, but when you know it's coming it's somewhat easy to counter - especially a player of Dark's caliber. Just get 4 base 80+drones and mass units.
The creep reached Bomber's 3rd base in like 13 minutes, that's just terrible for him.
Yes I'd like to see him do standard TvZ builds more often, but I guess this 1 rax->3CC build is just how he wins in practice.
Works well in ladder when the opponent doesnt know its him I suppose.
On June 23 2015 20:52 deacon.frost wrote: Why was Bomber not clearing the creep OMG? ><
If you're giving up on map control early/mid game to gain economic edge, it doesn't make much sense to try to remove all the creep during mid/late game. Bomber instead uses even more mules to gain more economic advantage.
I like his style, but when you know it's coming it's somewhat easy to counter - especially a player of Dark's caliber. Just get 4 base 80+drones and mass units.
The creep reached Bomber's 3rd base in like 13 minutes, that's just terrible for him.
Yes I'd like to see him do standard TvZ builds more often, but I guess this 1 rax->3CC build is just how he wins in practice.
Works well in ladder when the opponent doesnt know its him I suppose.
you should know it's Bomber when it's gasless expand
On June 23 2015 20:52 deacon.frost wrote: Why was Bomber not clearing the creep OMG? ><
If you're giving up on map control early/mid game to gain economic edge, it doesn't make much sense to try to remove all the creep during mid/late game. Bomber instead uses even more mules to gain more economic advantage.
I like his style, but when you know it's coming it's somewhat easy to counter - especially a player of Dark's caliber. Just get 4 base 80+drones and mass units.
The creep reached Bomber's 3rd base in like 13 minutes, that's just terrible for him.
Yes I'd like to see him do standard TvZ builds more often, but I guess this 1 rax->3CC build is just how he wins in practice.
Works well in ladder when the opponent doesnt know its him I suppose.
it's a very easy build to execute, I wouldn't be suprised if that'd be a factor
On June 23 2015 21:01 dazed25 wrote: anyone else feel that soO is starting to look like an alcoholic? don't blame him but he's been looking pretty rough this year.
On June 23 2015 21:00 deacon.frost wrote: Moonglade doesn't know the trick with keyboard? (cannot remember the name of the method)
Rapid Fire.
Maybe he has it to move command? I've never seen someone use it for movement, should have big disadvantages.
Why not, it's cool for worker pairing, isn't it? IIRC workers then never ever leave the mineral on which they are paired. I suppose this is ideal for someone like soO. Also better Phoenix control against Muta, but soO doesn't have them (maybe better Muta control? Zergs?)
On June 23 2015 21:05 Ej_ wrote: wait he made collossi? I thought the robo was for obs is Myungsik bad?
He's playing like I do! But I am bad at SC2, soO I prefer Colossi so Zerg gets them with vipers, focuses them and I storm the shit out of the zerg army in the mean time. Colossi is basically a tanking unit for me.
On June 23 2015 21:05 Ej_ wrote: wait he made collossi? I thought the robo was for obs is Myungsik bad?
He saw HerO beat Life with colossi and was like "Well if he can do it so can I!"
soO making hydras, he needs colossi
you research storm after +2 blink
Well, it's not like colossi are bad all of a sudden, storm is just better at holding earlier timings. Colossus macro is still quite strong if you're untouched. No idea if that's what's happening though since I'm not watching!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: MyuNgSiK vs soO
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
24 total votes
Your vote: MyuNgSiK vs soO
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Before the players study all these micro tricks, builds and timings, someone should make sure that they also know the actual winning condition of the game!
On June 23 2015 21:14 digmouse wrote: What was he thinking?
"I have another building, losing the nexus is okay."
I think it's more like when you missclick the gasses when you spam like crazy in the early game? Something like that but myun was doing a few other stuff so he didn't have the time to check.
On June 23 2015 21:14 digmouse wrote: What was he thinking?
"I have another building, losing the nexus is okay."
I think it's more like when you missclick the gasses when you spam like crazy in the early game? Something like that but myun was doing a few other stuff so he didn't have the time to check.
One glance at the minimap should have told him he didn't have anything tho. Silly way to lose.
On June 23 2015 21:14 digmouse wrote: What was he thinking?
"I have another building, losing the nexus is okay."
I think it's more like when you missclick the gasses when you spam like crazy in the early game? Something like that but myun was doing a few other stuff so he didn't have the time to check.
One glance at the minimap should have told him he didn't have anything tho. Silly way to lose.
Damn you Myungsyk... Those bunch of faggots (CJ) have so much luck on their side its insane. They really do not deserve the playoffs, crappy team yet they will somehow make it. What a drag I am so pisses right now
On June 23 2015 21:19 MarianoSC2 wrote: Damn you Myungsyk... Those bunch of faggots (CJ) have so much luck on their side its insane. They really do not deserve the playoffs, crappy team yet they will somehow make it. What a drag I am so pisses right now
On June 23 2015 21:19 MarianoSC2 wrote: Damn you Myungsyk... Those bunch of faggots (CJ) have so much luck on their side its insane. They really do not deserve the playoffs, crappy team yet they will somehow make it. What a drag I am so pisses right now
I dont like CJ but calling em faggots? Dude.
crappy team? they just won the last round playoffs. granted they are way too reliant on herO and now byul.
On June 23 2015 21:19 curutcis wrote: He couldn't find his probes....they where not hotkeyd!!
That would be the most embarassing thing :O
I remember seeing some GM screaming on stream that he cannot find his workers in a base trade situation...i think it was Demuslim or Dragon....i don't recall exactly... was a funny moment..
On June 23 2015 21:27 Noonius wrote: this is like fucking week 16 in NFL and in the end GB makes it in and Bears (stupid Cutler) will be watching the post-season from the couch
I didn't notice until now CJ still had a chance to get in. I just skimmed over the big list of what had to happen for them to make it and didn't keep track; I assumed something had already happened that would eliminate them.
On June 23 2015 21:27 Noonius wrote: this is like fucking week 16 in NFL and in the end GB makes it in and Bears (stupid Cutler) will be watching the post-season from the couch
why does a European hold interest in NFL?
dunno, I've been watching NFL since like ´02, I'm weird like that
On June 23 2015 21:29 Roadog wrote: I didn't notice until now CJ still had a chance to get in. I just skimmed over the big list of what had to happen for them to make it and didn't keep track; I assumed something had already happened that would eliminate them.
Nah all win conditions for CJ have been met until now. All up to whether DRG wins this map or not.
On June 23 2015 21:33 Aocowns wrote: protosses doing this upsets me greatly
Harrass? Micro? Not having their shit ouf of position? Taking gold bases? Make void rays looks skillful (that's more due to drg :D) Can you be more specific?
Classics thoughts. Hmm I wonder if I can win with mass zealots atm, nah fungal imba, let's waste it on something cheap. But what? Screw it everything is cheap when you have 80 probes.
On June 23 2015 21:33 Aocowns wrote: protosses doing this upsets me greatly
Harrass? Micro? Not having their shit ouf of position? Taking gold bases? Make void rays looks skillful (that's more due to drg :D) Can you be more specific?
Making voidrays and running them around its annoying beyond all comprehension lol
On June 23 2015 21:33 Aocowns wrote: protosses doing this upsets me greatly
Harrass? Micro? Not having their shit ouf of position? Taking gold bases? Make void rays looks skillful (that's more due to drg :D) Can you be more specific?
Making voidrays and running them around its annoying beyond all comprehension lol
If you don't go roach hydra you shouldn't randomly move out with your anti air like that :D (With RH you can sit in their face to make them defend)
To be honest, Sbenu's play has been abysmal today. DRG playing terribly, Myungsik turning his brain off and not building anything, Bomber not making any sense ... I would have love to see Jjakji/Dream
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
11%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
19 total votes
Your vote: DongRaeGu vs Classic
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Jjakji vs Dream
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
43%
★★★- Good game (2)
29%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Jjakji vs Dream
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Ace Match
★★★- Good game (5)
71%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
14%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Ace Match
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On June 23 2015 21:33 Aocowns wrote: protosses doing this upsets me greatly
Harrass? Micro? Not having their shit ouf of position? Taking gold bases? Make void rays looks skillful (that's more due to drg :D) Can you be more specific?
Making voidrays and running them around its annoying beyond all comprehension lol
If you don't go roach hydra you shouldn't randomly move out with your anti air like that :D (With RH you can sit in their face to make them defend)
with roach hydra you lose against this, so lets not take that into account
no but leaving no holes against mass VR DT has never ever worked for me, there is always that hole somewhere, and then bam suddenly VRs sneak into my base and snipe my lair or hive and recall for free
On June 23 2015 21:33 Aocowns wrote: protosses doing this upsets me greatly
Harrass? Micro? Not having their shit ouf of position? Taking gold bases? Make void rays looks skillful (that's more due to drg :D) Can you be more specific?
Making voidrays and running them around its annoying beyond all comprehension lol
If you don't go roach hydra you shouldn't randomly move out with your anti air like that :D (With RH you can sit in their face to make them defend)
with roach hydra you lose against this, so lets not take that into account
no but leaving no holes against mass VR DT has never ever worked for me, there is always that hole somewhere, and then bam suddenly VRs sneak into my base and snipe my lair or hive and recall for free
You don't stay on roach hydra forever but it's much easier to defend vs this.
By the way, Jin Air and SKT are the most consistent PL teams by far. If you find the 'mean' result by giving 1st in playoffs a '4', 2nd a '3', 3rd a '2' and 4th a '1', they'd be about ~6 points ahead of the others. Jin Air is currently 1 ahead, but unless they make finals, SKT will reclaim the throne. Also - Rogue and Maru are some crazy stat like 26-3 combined in vT/P within proleague.
On June 23 2015 21:33 Aocowns wrote: protosses doing this upsets me greatly
Harrass? Micro? Not having their shit ouf of position? Taking gold bases? Make void rays looks skillful (that's more due to drg :D) Can you be more specific?
Making voidrays and running them around its annoying beyond all comprehension lol
If you don't go roach hydra you shouldn't randomly move out with your anti air like that :D (With RH you can sit in their face to make them defend)
with roach hydra you lose against this, so lets not take that into account
no but leaving no holes against mass VR DT has never ever worked for me, there is always that hole somewhere, and then bam suddenly VRs sneak into my base and snipe my lair or hive and recall for free
You don't stay on roach hydra forever but it's much easier to defend vs this.
Sure, but transitioning into a composition that can actually win the game after that resource drain is hard, not to mention the fact that you still might take damage despite it being easier in some ways
On June 23 2015 21:33 Aocowns wrote: protosses doing this upsets me greatly
Harrass? Micro? Not having their shit ouf of position? Taking gold bases? Make void rays looks skillful (that's more due to drg :D) Can you be more specific?
Making voidrays and running them around its annoying beyond all comprehension lol
If you don't go roach hydra you shouldn't randomly move out with your anti air like that :D (With RH you can sit in their face to make them defend)
with roach hydra you lose against this, so lets not take that into account
no but leaving no holes against mass VR DT has never ever worked for me, there is always that hole somewhere, and then bam suddenly VRs sneak into my base and snipe my lair or hive and recall for free
You don't stay on roach hydra forever but it's much easier to defend vs this.
Sure, but transitioning into a composition that can actually win the game after that resource drain is hard, not to mention the fact that you still might take damage despite it being easier in some ways
It's a pain either way cause it's annoying to play vs this. It's not undoable though. Just don't make too much roaches
On June 23 2015 21:53 Elentos wrote: Myungsik is probably so crushed right now. They didn't make it to the playoffs because he didn't make a building.
That's unfair to him, everyone else sucked too.
He didn't "suck" tho. DRG and Bomber got utterly outclassed. Myungsik lost a game where he was in a perfect position to win. He got the closest to winning. And he's a pretty emotional guy so I reckon that's kinda what he's thinking right now.
On June 23 2015 21:43 bo1b wrote: Pretty text book example of about half the things that are lame in zvp :\
Only thing that was lame is how DRG played. He saw it coming and did jack shit.
He made lings.
Perfect counter to VR's
Before people get good with simcities and forcefields they are
Simcity and FF are standard vs zerg...what was he thinking...hey let's make lings and catch Classic off guard cause he's a noob and I am good with lings... C'mon. You win with lings on ladder vs mass VR's till max. gold.This is Proleague..pull your shit together and play your best...talking to you DRG!!
On June 23 2015 21:43 bo1b wrote: Pretty text book example of about half the things that are lame in zvp :\
Only thing that was lame is how DRG played. He saw it coming and did jack shit.
He made lings.
Perfect counter to VR's
Before people get good with simcities and forcefields they are
Simcity and FF are standard vs zerg...what was he thinking...hey let's make lings and catch Classic off guard cause he's a noob and I am good with lings... C'mon. You win with lings on ladder vs mass VR's till max. gold.This is Proleague..pull your shit together and play your best...talking to you DRG!!
I still catch people off guard in masters on korea with lings in zvp, it only takes like 1 pixel to lose a game when your playing a race like protoss
On June 23 2015 21:43 bo1b wrote: Pretty text book example of about half the things that are lame in zvp :\
Only thing that was lame is how DRG played. He saw it coming and did jack shit.
He made lings.
Perfect counter to VR's
Before people get good with simcities and forcefields they are
Simcity and FF are standard vs zerg...what was he thinking...hey let's make lings and catch Classic off guard cause he's a noob and I am good with lings... C'mon. You win with lings on ladder vs mass VR's till max. gold.This is Proleague..pull your shit together and play your best...talking to you DRG!!
nonsense. i've lost more than once to lings with mass VRs in masters.
On June 23 2015 21:43 bo1b wrote: Pretty text book example of about half the things that are lame in zvp :\
Only thing that was lame is how DRG played. He saw it coming and did jack shit.
He made lings.
Perfect counter to VR's
Before people get good with simcities and forcefields they are
Simcity and FF are standard vs zerg...what was he thinking...hey let's make lings and catch Classic off guard cause he's a noob and I am good with lings... C'mon. You win with lings on ladder vs mass VR's till max. gold.This is Proleague..pull your shit together and play your best...talking to you DRG!!
nonsense. i've lost more than once to lings with mass VRs in masters.
Not doing yourself any favours This is a silly map to try it on tho such small area to protect.
On June 23 2015 21:43 bo1b wrote: Pretty text book example of about half the things that are lame in zvp :\
Only thing that was lame is how DRG played. He saw it coming and did jack shit.
He made lings.
Perfect counter to VR's
Before people get good with simcities and forcefields they are
Simcity and FF are standard vs zerg...what was he thinking...hey let's make lings and catch Classic off guard cause he's a noob and I am good with lings... C'mon. You win with lings on ladder vs mass VR's till max. gold.This is Proleague..pull your shit together and play your best...talking to you DRG!!
nonsense. i've lost more than once to lings with mass VRs in masters.
If you get rushed and play from behind yes, you can lose to lings, but when you're on similar economy and you pay attention to your FF and sim city at your third..no way man, no way you lose to lings!!
On June 23 2015 21:43 bo1b wrote: Pretty text book example of about half the things that are lame in zvp :\
Only thing that was lame is how DRG played. He saw it coming and did jack shit.
He made lings.
Perfect counter to VR's
Before people get good with simcities and forcefields they are
Simcity and FF are standard vs zerg...what was he thinking...hey let's make lings and catch Classic off guard cause he's a noob and I am good with lings... C'mon. You win with lings on ladder vs mass VR's till max. gold.This is Proleague..pull your shit together and play your best...talking to you DRG!!
nonsense. i've lost more than once to lings with mass VRs in masters.
If you get rushed and play from behind yes, you can lose to lings, but when you're on similar economy and you pay attention to your FF and sim city at your third..no way man, no way you lose to lings!!
of course i do. i was that masters player with hilariously low APM, but knew what to build, when to build it, didn't miss probes etc. just can't multi-task or do anything quickly. so it's quite easy for me to lose to such things xD
On June 23 2015 21:43 bo1b wrote: Pretty text book example of about half the things that are lame in zvp :\
Only thing that was lame is how DRG played. He saw it coming and did jack shit.
He made lings.
Perfect counter to VR's
Before people get good with simcities and forcefields they are
Simcity and FF are standard vs zerg...what was he thinking...hey let's make lings and catch Classic off guard cause he's a noob and I am good with lings... C'mon. You win with lings on ladder vs mass VR's till max. gold.This is Proleague..pull your shit together and play your best...talking to you DRG!!
nonsense. i've lost more than once to lings with mass VRs in masters.
If you get rushed and play from behind yes, you can lose to lings, but when you're on similar economy and you pay attention to your FF and sim city at your third..no way man, no way you lose to lings!!
of course i do. i was that masters player with hilariously low APM, but knew what to build, when to build it, didn't miss probes etc. just can't multi-task or do anything quickly. so it's quite easy for me to lose to such things xD
ah man you don't have to multitask like crazy....it's not like you drop in 3 places at once... i don't know man.....i'm diamond and perhaps i don't see all the angles...but i'm a bit salty cause DRG is so good and at that level you cannot throw a game like that...cause i think it was a throw when you don't get bullshit by the protoss and you scout what's going on and see mass VR's.......who knows what DRG thought? Classic is weird sometimes in his plays.....
So despite all the signings, money, changes and everything. The same 4 teams from Round 2 make the playoffs. And despite the closeness the quality was way down this season and Prime is basically a corpse. I don't know what that says about the state of Proleague but it doesn't seem good
On June 23 2015 22:40 showstealer1829 wrote: So despite all the signings, money, changes and everything. The same 4 teams from Round 2 make the playoffs. And despite the closeness the quality was way down this season. I don't know what that says about the state of Proleague but it doesn't seem good
To be fair, it involved a certain degree of idiocy for some teams.
Ha! What a funny day for statistics!! It was incredibly hard for CJ to get through and nearly impossible. But with their 3-0 and the submissal performance of SBENU (one win would have been enough!) the miracle came true!!
So: good for Byul and herO, I like it. But I would have liked to see DRG, Dear or GuMiHo in the in the Playoffs either.
Another fun fact (most likely somebody already mentioned it?): all the teams which lost today are out of the Playoffs.
On June 24 2015 05:29 elwood.sc2 wrote: Ha! What a funny day for statistics!! It was incredibly hard for CJ to get through and nearly impossible. But with their 3-0 and the submissal performance of SBENU (one win would have been enough!) the miracle came true!!
So: good for Byul and herO, I like it. But I would have liked to see DRG, Dear or GuMiHo in the in the Playoffs either.
Another fun fact (most likely somebody already mentioned it?): all the teams which lost today are out of the Playoffs.
On June 24 2015 05:29 elwood.sc2 wrote: Ha! What a funny day for statistics!! It was incredibly hard for CJ to get through and nearly impossible. But with their 3-0 and the submissal performance of SBENU (one win would have been enough!) the miracle came true!!
So: good for Byul and herO, I like it. But I would have liked to see DRG, Dear or GuMiHo in the in the Playoffs either.
Another fun fact (most likely somebody already mentioned it?): all the teams which lost today are out of the Playoffs.
* this week.
So the top 4 at the end of the season is guaranteed to be SKT/JAGW/CJ/KT? That's a bit sad if you ask me.
On June 24 2015 05:29 elwood.sc2 wrote: Ha! What a funny day for statistics!! It was incredibly hard for CJ to get through and nearly impossible. But with their 3-0 and the submissal performance of SBENU (one win would have been enough!) the miracle came true!!
So: good for Byul and herO, I like it. But I would have liked to see DRG, Dear or GuMiHo in the in the Playoffs either.
Another fun fact (most likely somebody already mentioned it?): all the teams which lost today are out of the Playoffs.
* this week.
So the top 4 at the end of the season is guaranteed to be SKT/JAGW/CJ/KT? That's a bit sad if you ask me.
On June 24 2015 05:29 elwood.sc2 wrote: Ha! What a funny day for statistics!! It was incredibly hard for CJ to get through and nearly impossible. But with their 3-0 and the submissal performance of SBENU (one win would have been enough!) the miracle came true!!
So: good for Byul and herO, I like it. But I would have liked to see DRG, Dear or GuMiHo in the in the Playoffs either.
Another fun fact (most likely somebody already mentioned it?): all the teams which lost today are out of the Playoffs.
* this week.
So the top 4 at the end of the season is guaranteed to be SKT/JAGW/CJ/KT? That's a bit sad if you ask me.
On June 24 2015 05:29 elwood.sc2 wrote: Ha! What a funny day for statistics!! It was incredibly hard for CJ to get through and nearly impossible. But with their 3-0 and the submissal performance of SBENU (one win would have been enough!) the miracle came true!!
So: good for Byul and herO, I like it. But I would have liked to see DRG, Dear or GuMiHo in the in the Playoffs either.
Another fun fact (most likely somebody already mentioned it?): all the teams which lost today are out of the Playoffs.
On June 24 2015 05:29 elwood.sc2 wrote: Ha! What a funny day for statistics!! It was incredibly hard for CJ to get through and nearly impossible. But with their 3-0 and the submissal performance of SBENU (one win would have been enough!) the miracle came true!!
So: good for Byul and herO, I like it. But I would have liked to see DRG, Dear or GuMiHo in the in the Playoffs either.
Another fun fact (most likely somebody already mentioned it?): all the teams which lost today are out of the Playoffs.
* this week.
So the top 4 at the end of the season is guaranteed to be SKT/JAGW/CJ/KT? That's a bit sad if you ask me.
Yes, my comment was about this Round 3. And it will be really hard for the last four to play the big finals after Round 4. If SBENU is lucky (and good!) enough and KT bad enough in the last round, then maybe SBEBU can overtake KT, but... well... I think it's more likely that Curious wins Kespa Cup :-)
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