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On June 03 2015 03:56 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
As player fatigue is a non-decreasing function of time, will these games shorten or lengthen as time goes on?
On one hand, if you make more mistakes, you're probably gonna lose sooner than expected.
On the other, your opponent may also be so tired that they can't punish your mistakes. The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. 1 base muta is so good
hello Sen
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your Country52798 Posts
On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
As player fatigue is a non-decreasing function of time, will these games shorten or lengthen as time goes on?
On one hand, if you make more mistakes, you're probably gonna lose sooner than expected.
On the other, your opponent may also be so tired that they can't punish your mistakes. The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings.
Well no, in ZvZ I take ninja expansions everywhere and make a billion zerglings, followed by a billion roaches.
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just iamgine old hosts on this map.
tanks were kinda bad because of their mapcontrol, but hosts would make controlling mid laughably easy.
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On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
As player fatigue is a non-decreasing function of time, will these games shorten or lengthen as time goes on?
On one hand, if you make more mistakes, you're probably gonna lose sooner than expected.
On the other, your opponent may also be so tired that they can't punish your mistakes. The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. zvz is full of embarassing builds up to Masters
I'm in masters and it can be quite embarassing
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On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:56 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
As player fatigue is a non-decreasing function of time, will these games shorten or lengthen as time goes on?
On one hand, if you make more mistakes, you're probably gonna lose sooner than expected.
On the other, your opponent may also be so tired that they can't punish your mistakes. The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. 1 base muta is so good hello Sen
fun fact: I haven't lost a ZvZ where I went 1 base muta yet
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On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
As player fatigue is a non-decreasing function of time, will these games shorten or lengthen as time goes on?
On one hand, if you make more mistakes, you're probably gonna lose sooner than expected.
On the other, your opponent may also be so tired that they can't punish your mistakes. The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. zvz is full of embarassing builds up to Masters
I just 14-pool every game and play it from there. 
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On June 03 2015 03:57 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
As player fatigue is a non-decreasing function of time, will these games shorten or lengthen as time goes on?
On one hand, if you make more mistakes, you're probably gonna lose sooner than expected.
On the other, your opponent may also be so tired that they can't punish your mistakes. The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. 1 base muta is so good hello Sen fun fact: I haven't lost a ZvZ where I went 1 base muta yet
How many of those have you played?
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Elentos
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On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
As player fatigue is a non-decreasing function of time, will these games shorten or lengthen as time goes on?
On one hand, if you make more mistakes, you're probably gonna lose sooner than expected.
On the other, your opponent may also be so tired that they can't punish your mistakes. The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. have you tried 1 base burrow roach rush? This is the real tear squeezer My opponents already don't gg as it is.
I feel like people don't GG enough when they're losing. I think there are more offensive GGs on ladder than actual GGs.
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So many good games on this map. jjakji vs Parting, MMA vs Gumiho and of course Leenock vs HerO - the best ZvP of all time.
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On June 03 2015 03:57 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
As player fatigue is a non-decreasing function of time, will these games shorten or lengthen as time goes on?
On one hand, if you make more mistakes, you're probably gonna lose sooner than expected.
On the other, your opponent may also be so tired that they can't punish your mistakes. The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. 1 base muta is so good hello Sen fun fact: I haven't lost a ZvZ where I went 1 base muta yet
Well I have 67% winratio with roach/bane/hydra vs Terran
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your Country52798 Posts
On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:Map: Antiga Shipyard  Bunny spawns in the left  Snute spawns in the right
2:00
Snute opens spawning pool, followed by a hatchery.
Reaper opening for Bunny.
3:00
Factory and expansion for Bunny.
Snute is getting up to three queens.
Zergling speed being researched as soon as Snute has 100 gas.
4:00
Reapers go into the natural and kill a drone.
Snute cancels and restarts zergling speed.
Reapers get surrounded by drones in the main, and they die.
5:00
Snute cancels zergling speed again and starts a lair.
Starport on the way for Bunny.
Snute getting a roach warren.
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On June 03 2015 03:57 DJHelium wrote:
So many good games on this map. jjakji vs Parting, MMA vs Gumiho and of course Leenock vs HerO - the best ZvP of all time.
Naniwa vs Nerchio
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On June 03 2015 03:57 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:57 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:
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The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. 1 base muta is so good hello Sen fun fact: I haven't lost a ZvZ where I went 1 base muta yet How many of those have you played?
non-zero amount
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On June 03 2015 03:55 Shellshock wrote:based off aligulac predictor + Show Spoiler +
those odds have shifted way too much
CANCEL THE BETS. REFUND THE PARTOUFS
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On June 03 2015 03:58 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:57 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:
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The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. 1 base muta is so good hello Sen fun fact: I haven't lost a ZvZ where I went 1 base muta yet Well I have 67% winratio with roach/bane/hydra vs Terran
I have a build vs mech where I make nothing but lings, drones and queens for the first 14-16 minutes of the game and then I make 12 ultras at once
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On June 03 2015 03:57 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:51 IntoTheheart wrote:
As player fatigue is a non-decreasing function of time, will these games shorten or lengthen as time goes on?
On one hand, if you make more mistakes, you're probably gonna lose sooner than expected.
On the other, your opponent may also be so tired that they can't punish your mistakes. The end result is basically my normal macro TvZ/ZvT. Hint, those are my worst matchups. what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. have you tried 1 base burrow roach rush? This is the real tear squeezer My opponents already don't gg as it is. I feel like people don't GG enough when they're losing. I think there are more offensive GGs on ladder than actual GGs.
I don't feel the need to rub in the fact that I win - my lings on their raxes is enough I think.
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Elentos
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On June 03 2015 03:58 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:57 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:
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what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. 1 base muta is so good hello Sen fun fact: I haven't lost a ZvZ where I went 1 base muta yet How many of those have you played? non-zero amount
That's not very telling. 1? 10? 100? Over 9000?
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On June 03 2015 03:59 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:58 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:57 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:
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what about games where you have +1 muta, speed banelings but still haven't researched speed? happened to me You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. 1 base muta is so good hello Sen fun fact: I haven't lost a ZvZ where I went 1 base muta yet Well I have 67% winratio with roach/bane/hydra vs Terran I have a build vs mech where I make nothing but lings, drones and queens for the first 14-16 minutes of the game and then I make 12 ultras at once
I played against someone doing something like that today. 2-base ultra is terrible, apparently.
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On June 03 2015 03:59 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 03:58 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:57 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Ej_ wrote:On June 03 2015 03:56 Alchemik wrote:On June 03 2015 03:55 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 The_Templar wrote:On June 03 2015 03:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On June 03 2015 03:53 The_Templar wrote:
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You get mutalisk upgrades?? Not personally, no. My ZvT tends to be finished before they'll be necessary. Bronze is great - I've camped my opponent's production for every ZvT I've had to play in the first 10 minutes. I just go with the tried-and-true 12 overpool, 11 proxy hatch into 1 base mutalisk. I played a ZvZ last night against someone who tried to 1-base Lair into 2-base muta me... and then died because I had speedlings. 1 base muta is so good hello Sen fun fact: I haven't lost a ZvZ where I went 1 base muta yet How many of those have you played? non-zero amount That's not very telling. 1? 10? 100? Over 9000?
more than 6 pool and less than roach drops
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On June 03 2015 03:57 DJHelium wrote:
So many good games on this map. jjakji vs Parting, MMA vs Gumiho and of course Leenock vs HerO - the best ZvP of all time.
Life completed the comeback vs DRG on this map.
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