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RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
May 24 2015 21:05 GMT
#441
I feel like Ryan almost certainly recognizes the mistakes he made that game. He has that kinda look in his eyes. If it's the look I think it is, Xenocider better watch out in G2
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Aelendis
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium892 Posts
May 24 2015 21:05 GMT
#442
On May 25 2015 06:04 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 06:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 25 2015 06:02 Alchemik wrote:
I used to like Echo the first few weeks after it got introduced, but now I kinda wanna veto it ;;


Its a REALLY good terran map in my experience. Great for mech too

great for Protoss in ZvP, too

the only match-up I really enjoy on this map is ZvZ


I think Coda is worse.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 24 2015 21:05 GMT
#443
On May 25 2015 06:04 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 06:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 25 2015 06:02 Alchemik wrote:
I used to like Echo the first few weeks after it got introduced, but now I kinda wanna veto it ;;


Its a REALLY good terran map in my experience. Great for mech too

great for Protoss in ZvP, too

the only match-up I really enjoy on this map is ZvZ


I don't run into much problems in ZvP on it, though I don't particularly run into problems in ZvP on any map.

Except cactus valley. I hate the entrance into the natural
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
May 24 2015 21:05 GMT
#444
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6331 Posts
May 24 2015 21:06 GMT
#445
On May 25 2015 06:04 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 06:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 25 2015 06:02 Alchemik wrote:
I used to like Echo the first few weeks after it got introduced, but now I kinda wanna veto it ;;


Its a REALLY good terran map in my experience. Great for mech too

great for Protoss in ZvP, too

the only match-up I really enjoy on this map is ZvZ

Suppy and Rogue played a really good ZvZ on this map in last week's Kung Fu Cup.
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Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-24 21:07:27
May 24 2015 21:07 GMT
#446
On May 25 2015 06:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 06:04 Alchemik wrote:
On May 25 2015 06:04 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On May 25 2015 06:02 Alchemik wrote:
I used to like Echo the first few weeks after it got introduced, but now I kinda wanna veto it ;;


Its a REALLY good terran map in my experience. Great for mech too

great for Protoss in ZvP, too

the only match-up I really enjoy on this map is ZvZ


I don't run into much problems in ZvP on it, though I don't particularly run into problems in ZvP on any map.

Except cactus valley. I hate the entrance into the natural

the issue in ZvP on Echo is that you literally can't attack with any composition aside from mass muta, which is also fairly weak on this map
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
May 24 2015 21:07 GMT
#447
OMG he said Australia! That's where I live <3 <3 <3
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
May 24 2015 21:07 GMT
#448
TORONTOOO
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
May 24 2015 21:08 GMT
#449
On May 25 2015 06:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 05:59 Elentos wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:56 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:55 Elentos wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:53 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:52 Elentos wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I wanna see some OG Bio/tank v Bio/tank in that MMA/Flash series. That would make me happy. veryhappy. happy.

I'm pretty sure there won't be bio/tank positional wars. Because for one, Flash favours mech, which is viable on Echo, and two, because yolodrops are stronk.


yeah likely we'll see bio/tank v mech. I wouldn't be surprised if MMA brought out some tank drops like he did against Curejwa

edit: Still Flash's trademark Hellbat/Mech is pretty mobile fun IMO. It's really fairly similar to bio/tank

Cure really doesn't deserve a -jwa if he keeps performing like that.

Mech vs bio is the best TvT anyway. But maybe MMA has another curveball Bomber build and goes mech himself.


Cure played pretty well in that game IMO.

Still I think Bomber is the Bio/Tank god. I have wet dream's sometimes about s3 2014 TvT bio/tank meta!

Imo he played bad. Much worse than in his game vs Flash the week before, too.

Also I distinctly remember Bomber playing a lot of mech in TvT in late 2014.


no, almost predominantly bio-tank in late 2014. He won RBBG and WCS with that comp pretty much.

To be honest, I think Cure played better against MMA than he did against Flash. Still it wasn't a giant blowout, just flash/mma playing very well in a matchup they've long been reputed and known for.

Kind of straightforward, In my opinion.


Is one of the games of RBBG I distinctly remembered.

Anyways. Cure got completely rolled because he let that triple drop in his main happen and didn't do a terribly good job of getting rid of it. And then he got caught out on the map by MMA whose economy was left unhindered the entire game, leaving me to wonder what Cure was actually trying to do.
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Lockdown-
Profile Joined May 2003
United States298 Posts
May 24 2015 21:08 GMT
#450
NXZed looking so nervous.
newtii
Profile Joined May 2015
58 Posts
May 24 2015 21:09 GMT
#451
On May 25 2015 05:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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On May 25 2015 05:50 newtii wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:43 Alchemik wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:39 Alchemik wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:36 Alchemik wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:
[quote]

Roughly when SH got changed. No point in having spine/spore walls anymore


Of course there is. You survive three base timings and actually get to BL/infestor.

if you'd still have to do it, which I assume you do, it's not the best idea to play this style


It's just the exact WoL roach/ling -> BL/infestor style, which is just a lot weaker in HotS. You're supposed to make spines while teching to hive/greater spire or you die to this sort of attack. It's been that way ever since. Zergs somehow seem to have forgotten that though.

you have to play a lot more riskier now


I don't see the point of leaving yourself open if you're gonna play a turtley style anyway. Just doesn't make sense.

If you don't wanna make spines with roach/hydra, I get that. But with a build that rushes tech this hard with no real army in the meantime? You roll over and die if you don't have adequate defense (spines).

it's not WoL anymore, you shouldn't be able to just win games like that, so you have to risk a lot to get a decent army instead of playing safe, knowing you'll probably win in the end


I completely disagree, you can't just expect your opponent to miss out on such a gigantic opportunity to straight up kill you. Especially when protoss players have been hitting 3 base timings for the last 4 years. It's not the best style anymore, I agree, but if you're gonna do it then at least do it right.


There really isn't composition to triumph over colossi and high templar. I think zergs cannot let protoss to tech up so freely.


I don't think that composition is an issue for zerg. You can kill colossus/templar armies just fine. It's just the mass blink/sentry/storm/immortal style that's incredibly strong. It's got so much map presence, pressure potential, mobility and fighting power all in one. That and with forcefields, blink, storm and recall you should never trade unfavorably.

Rough time to be a zerg vs protoss atm.


Well, I agree that blink/sentry/storm/immortal style is incredibly strong, which tend to make zergs undertech, and that, consequently, makes high templars very strong, since zerg has inferior composition that was used to defend earlier pressures.

RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
May 24 2015 21:09 GMT
#452
On May 25 2015 06:08 Lockdown- wrote:
NXZed looking so nervous.

Yeah he's looked a bit rattled/tired all day. Understandable I suppose.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 24 2015 21:09 GMT
#453
Toronto's isn't that nice of a city imo. I guess I've mostly been in the Downtown area.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 24 2015 21:10 GMT
#454
On May 25 2015 06:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Toronto's isn't that nice of a city imo. I guess I've mostly been in the Downtown area.

Agreed, everyone says it's amazing but in my experience it was just okay
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
May 24 2015 21:10 GMT
#455
On May 25 2015 06:09 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 06:08 Lockdown- wrote:
NXZed looking so nervous.

Yeah he's looked a bit rattled/tired all day. Understandable I suppose.


I hope he grabs this map at least. Would be good for the future.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-24 21:11:48
May 24 2015 21:10 GMT
#456
On May 25 2015 06:08 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 06:01 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:59 Elentos wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:56 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:55 Elentos wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:53 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:52 Elentos wrote:
On May 25 2015 05:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I wanna see some OG Bio/tank v Bio/tank in that MMA/Flash series. That would make me happy. veryhappy. happy.

I'm pretty sure there won't be bio/tank positional wars. Because for one, Flash favours mech, which is viable on Echo, and two, because yolodrops are stronk.


yeah likely we'll see bio/tank v mech. I wouldn't be surprised if MMA brought out some tank drops like he did against Curejwa

edit: Still Flash's trademark Hellbat/Mech is pretty mobile fun IMO. It's really fairly similar to bio/tank

Cure really doesn't deserve a -jwa if he keeps performing like that.

Mech vs bio is the best TvT anyway. But maybe MMA has another curveball Bomber build and goes mech himself.


Cure played pretty well in that game IMO.

Still I think Bomber is the Bio/Tank god. I have wet dream's sometimes about s3 2014 TvT bio/tank meta!

Imo he played bad. Much worse than in his game vs Flash the week before, too.

Also I distinctly remember Bomber playing a lot of mech in TvT in late 2014.


no, almost predominantly bio-tank in late 2014. He won RBBG and WCS with that comp pretty much.

To be honest, I think Cure played better against MMA than he did against Flash. Still it wasn't a giant blowout, just flash/mma playing very well in a matchup they've long been reputed and known for.

Kind of straightforward, In my opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw304WJxPgs
Is one of the games of RBBG I distinctly remembered.

Anyways. Cure got completely rolled because he let that triple drop in his main happen and didn't do a terribly good job of getting rid of it. And then he got caught out on the map by MMA whose economy was left unhindered the entire game, leaving me to wonder what Cure was actually trying to do.


It's true that Bomber absolutely crushed Cure in this series (he is another class of TvT player)

I still think Cure is a very solid TvT player, as evidenced by his aliguilac winrates. He also played a 7 games series against INnoVation in the gsl semifinals and made his run at a time where TvT was a very common matchup due to the favorable map pool.

I've been working on some terran metagame/build stuff in which Cure has been one of the more revolutionary players, even in TvT a fairly static matchup
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-24 21:13:16
May 24 2015 21:12 GMT
#457
On May 25 2015 06:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2015 06:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Toronto's isn't that nice of a city imo. I guess I've mostly been in the Downtown area.

Agreed, everyone says it's amazing but in my experience it was just okay


In fact I'd say that almost every other major Canadian city is nicer than it.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 24 2015 21:13 GMT
#458
Wait repears heal in combat? I thought they had to be out of combat for healing to kick in?
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
May 24 2015 21:13 GMT
#459
On May 25 2015 06:13 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wait repears heal in combat? I thought they had to be out of combat for healing to kick in?


it's about taking damage.
Zest fanboy.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
May 24 2015 21:13 GMT
#460
On May 25 2015 06:13 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Wait repears heal in combat? I thought they had to be out of combat for healing to kick in?

If you run away long enough you exit combat
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