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On May 25 2015 05:45 Alucen-Will- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:45 Elentos wrote:On May 25 2015 05:43 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 25 2015 05:42 Elentos wrote:On May 25 2015 05:41 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On May 25 2015 05:39 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 25 2015 05:38 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
hmmm do i want to watch this or just play cs go hmmmmmmm I'm debating laddering myself. I don't particularly have any attachment to anyone in this group but its not often I get to watch SC2 content yeah, im thinking about saving my energy for watching the starleague vods, still haven't seen those series yet You haven't yet? Then don't ladder before Life vs Dream, you might die of passion and excitement overflow. It was a good series but kind of underwhelming compared to the previous one. (other than g5 which was pretty fun) I liked Maru/herO a lot more honestly. + Show Spoiler +I liked the random proxy hatch on Merry Go Round and the 9-pools. And the last game was one of the best this year easy. Yeah it was really fun, just not as many of the epic macro game like the first series. I guess I'm spoiled lol
Even the first didn't really have many epic macro games. It was: Life dies to pressure. Life dies to pressure. Life kills mech player. Life kills greedy Terran with banelings. Life kills greedy Terran with banelings. Dream has an absurd and completely ridiculous hold that will be forever remembered. Decent macro game.
Regarding herO vs Maru:
+ Show Spoiler +I think Maru didn't play that too well. Too much respect. Didn't go for his signature colossus snipes enough even when the opportunities were there. And that base trade attempt on Vaani was a terrible decision. Also he didn't adjust well enough to herO going DTs in every game.
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On May 25 2015 05:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:43 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:39 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:36 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 25 2015 05:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:30 RPR_Tempest wrote:
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Uh, hiding in a corner of his 3rd base guarded by his entire army is a pretty good spot I wonder when zergs forgot that they need massive spine forests to survive 3 base timings if they're teching to greater spire Roughly when SH got changed. No point in having spine/spore walls anymore Of course there is. You survive three base timings and actually get to BL/infestor. if you'd still have to do it, which I assume you do, it's not the best idea to play this style It's just the exact WoL roach/ling -> BL/infestor style, which is just a lot weaker in HotS. You're supposed to make spines while teching to hive/greater spire or you die to this sort of attack. It's been that way ever since. Zergs somehow seem to have forgotten that though. you have to play a lot more riskier now I don't see the point of leaving yourself open if you're gonna play a turtley style anyway. Just doesn't make sense. If you don't wanna make spines with roach/hydra, I get that. But with a build that rushes tech this hard with no real army in the meantime? You roll over and die if you don't have adequate defense (spines). it's not WoL anymore, you shouldn't be able to just win games like that, so you have to risk a lot to get a decent army instead of playing safe, knowing you'll probably win in the end I completely disagree, you can't just expect your opponent to miss out on such a gigantic opportunity to straight up kill you. Especially when protoss players have been hitting 3 base timings for the last 4 years. It's not the best style anymore, I agree, but if you're gonna do it then at least do it right.
There really isn't composition to triumph over colossi and high templar. I think zergs cannot let protoss to tech up so freely.
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On May 25 2015 05:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:45 HellHound wrote:On May 25 2015 05:37 Ej_ wrote:On May 25 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On May 25 2015 05:35 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:33 Elentos wrote:
I remember the old days where people would switch into 40 mutas vP in the late game. Nowadays you never even see that many mutas in one game. stalker good unit I mean... soO went mutas almost every game in the GSL finals vs Zest and Zest had blink stalkers and phoenixes in a lot of those games. So clearly, you all are doing it wrong because a GSL finalist knows better than anyone else, right? soO also never could play ZvP As opposed to the many zvp gods that came up in 2014 :D He was solid at it. With good preparation he was very good at it. I still have nightmares about his muta/corruptor games vs Parting
Rofl those were funny from zerg POV.
Parting's thought process - ok soO is very good with mutas so I will go double stargate phoenix before third to make him pick another tech.
soO goes mass muta corruptor and curb stomps parting while looking bored
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Don't worry Kane, true NA king Major will surly usurp you're position next week
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On May 25 2015 05:47 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:45 HellHound wrote:On May 25 2015 05:37 Ej_ wrote:On May 25 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On May 25 2015 05:35 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:33 Elentos wrote:
I remember the old days where people would switch into 40 mutas vP in the late game. Nowadays you never even see that many mutas in one game. stalker good unit I mean... soO went mutas almost every game in the GSL finals vs Zest and Zest had blink stalkers and phoenixes in a lot of those games. So clearly, you all are doing it wrong because a GSL finalist knows better than anyone else, right? soO also never could play ZvP As opposed to the many zvp gods that came up in 2014 :D He was solid at it. With good preparation he was very good at it. I still have nightmares about his muta/corruptor games vs Parting I miss muta corruptor being a thing
It being a thing is strongly connected with soO healing enough to go for the finals again.
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On May 25 2015 05:50 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:45 HellHound wrote:On May 25 2015 05:37 Ej_ wrote:On May 25 2015 05:36 Elentos wrote:On May 25 2015 05:35 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:33 Elentos wrote:
I remember the old days where people would switch into 40 mutas vP in the late game. Nowadays you never even see that many mutas in one game. stalker good unit I mean... soO went mutas almost every game in the GSL finals vs Zest and Zest had blink stalkers and phoenixes in a lot of those games. So clearly, you all are doing it wrong because a GSL finalist knows better than anyone else, right? soO also never could play ZvP As opposed to the many zvp gods that came up in 2014 :D He was solid at it. With good preparation he was very good at it. I still have nightmares about his muta/corruptor games vs Parting Rofl those were funny from zerg POV. Parting's thought process - ok soO is very good with mutas so I will go double stargate phoenix before third to make him pick another tech. soO goes mass muta corruptor and curb stomps parting while looking bored Partings thoughts - . . . . . wat
There's more to this game than unit comps 
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Kane doesn't get to call himself NA king unless Masa also gets knocked out first round in last place
The battle for Canada is tight right now
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On May 25 2015 05:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I wanna see some OG Bio/tank v Bio/tank in that MMA/Flash series. That would make me happy. veryhappy. happy.
I'm pretty sure there won't be bio/tank positional wars. Because for one, Flash favours mech, which is viable on Echo, and two, because yolodrops are stronk.
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On May 25 2015 05:50 newtii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:43 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:39 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:36 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On May 25 2015 05:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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I wonder when zergs forgot that they need massive spine forests to survive 3 base timings if they're teching to greater spire Roughly when SH got changed. No point in having spine/spore walls anymore Of course there is. You survive three base timings and actually get to BL/infestor. if you'd still have to do it, which I assume you do, it's not the best idea to play this style It's just the exact WoL roach/ling -> BL/infestor style, which is just a lot weaker in HotS. You're supposed to make spines while teching to hive/greater spire or you die to this sort of attack. It's been that way ever since. Zergs somehow seem to have forgotten that though. you have to play a lot more riskier now I don't see the point of leaving yourself open if you're gonna play a turtley style anyway. Just doesn't make sense. If you don't wanna make spines with roach/hydra, I get that. But with a build that rushes tech this hard with no real army in the meantime? You roll over and die if you don't have adequate defense (spines). it's not WoL anymore, you shouldn't be able to just win games like that, so you have to risk a lot to get a decent army instead of playing safe, knowing you'll probably win in the end I completely disagree, you can't just expect your opponent to miss out on such a gigantic opportunity to straight up kill you. Especially when protoss players have been hitting 3 base timings for the last 4 years. It's not the best style anymore, I agree, but if you're gonna do it then at least do it right. There really isn't composition to triumph over colossi and high templar. I think zergs cannot let protoss to tech up so freely.
I don't think that composition is an issue for zerg. You can kill colossus/templar armies just fine. It's just the mass blink/sentry/storm/immortal style that's incredibly strong. It's got so much map presence, pressure potential, mobility and fighting power all in one. That and with forcefields, blink, storm and recall you should never trade unfavorably.
Rough time to be a zerg vs protoss atm.
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On May 25 2015 05:52 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I wanna see some OG Bio/tank v Bio/tank in that MMA/Flash series. That would make me happy. veryhappy. happy. I'm pretty sure there won't be bio/tank positional wars. Because for one, Flash favours mech, which is viable on Echo, and two, because yolodrops are stronk.
yeah likely we'll see bio/tank v mech. I wouldn't be surprised if MMA brought out some tank drops like he did against Curejwa
edit: Still Flash's trademark Hellbat/Mech is pretty mobile fun IMO. It's really fairly similar to bio/tank
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NXZ please, other zergs wouldn't lose that queen ;;
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On May 25 2015 05:54 RPR_Tempest wrote:
ewwww banshees
The FFS sound.
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On May 25 2015 05:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Kane doesn't get to call himself NA king unless Masa also gets knocked out first round in last place The battle for Canada is tight right now
I have complete faith in Masa that he will tie Kane's achievements.
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On May 25 2015 05:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:50 newtii wrote:On May 25 2015 05:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:43 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:41 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:39 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:36 Alchemik wrote:On May 25 2015 05:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On May 25 2015 05:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:
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Roughly when SH got changed. No point in having spine/spore walls anymore Of course there is. You survive three base timings and actually get to BL/infestor. if you'd still have to do it, which I assume you do, it's not the best idea to play this style It's just the exact WoL roach/ling -> BL/infestor style, which is just a lot weaker in HotS. You're supposed to make spines while teching to hive/greater spire or you die to this sort of attack. It's been that way ever since. Zergs somehow seem to have forgotten that though. you have to play a lot more riskier now I don't see the point of leaving yourself open if you're gonna play a turtley style anyway. Just doesn't make sense. If you don't wanna make spines with roach/hydra, I get that. But with a build that rushes tech this hard with no real army in the meantime? You roll over and die if you don't have adequate defense (spines). it's not WoL anymore, you shouldn't be able to just win games like that, so you have to risk a lot to get a decent army instead of playing safe, knowing you'll probably win in the end I completely disagree, you can't just expect your opponent to miss out on such a gigantic opportunity to straight up kill you. Especially when protoss players have been hitting 3 base timings for the last 4 years. It's not the best style anymore, I agree, but if you're gonna do it then at least do it right. There really isn't composition to triumph over colossi and high templar. I think zergs cannot let protoss to tech up so freely. I don't think that composition is an issue for zerg. You can kill colossus/templar armies just fine. It's just the mass blink/sentry/storm/immortal style that's incredibly strong. It's got so much map presence, pressure potential, mobility and fighting power all in one. That and with forcefields, blink, storm and recall you should never trade unfavorably. Rough time to be a zerg vs protoss atm. Meh, you just cheese a lot and do lots of timings, sort of like protoss in 2012.
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On May 25 2015 05:53 Alucen-Will- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:52 Elentos wrote:On May 25 2015 05:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I wanna see some OG Bio/tank v Bio/tank in that MMA/Flash series. That would make me happy. veryhappy. happy. I'm pretty sure there won't be bio/tank positional wars. Because for one, Flash favours mech, which is viable on Echo, and two, because yolodrops are stronk. yeah likely we'll see bio/tank v mech. I wouldn't be surprised if MMA brought out some tank drops like he did against Curejwa edit: Still Flash's trademark Hellbat/Mech is pretty mobile fun IMO. It's really fairly similar to bio/tank
Cure really doesn't deserve a -jwa if he keeps performing like that.
Mech vs bio is the best TvT anyway. But maybe MMA has another curveball Bomber build and goes mech himself.
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On May 25 2015 05:55 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 05:53 Alucen-Will- wrote:On May 25 2015 05:52 Elentos wrote:On May 25 2015 05:49 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I wanna see some OG Bio/tank v Bio/tank in that MMA/Flash series. That would make me happy. veryhappy. happy. I'm pretty sure there won't be bio/tank positional wars. Because for one, Flash favours mech, which is viable on Echo, and two, because yolodrops are stronk. yeah likely we'll see bio/tank v mech. I wouldn't be surprised if MMA brought out some tank drops like he did against Curejwa edit: Still Flash's trademark Hellbat/Mech is pretty mobile fun IMO. It's really fairly similar to bio/tank Cure really doesn't deserve a -jwa if he keeps performing like that. Mech vs bio is the best TvT anyway. But maybe MMA has another curveball Bomber build and goes mech himself.
Cure played pretty well in that game IMO.
Still I think Bomber is the Bio/Tank god. I have wet dream's sometimes about s3 2014 TvT bio/tank meta!
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Not so sure about that hellion runby, but it did gain some valuable info.
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The + 2 range for roaches makes no sense :D
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This is basically my nightmare as Zerg, lings completely failing to kill a drop
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