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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 17:25:11
March 29 2015 17:24 GMT
#781
On March 30 2015 02:23 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:22 KeksX wrote:
I have never seen this gold base play work for zergs, anyone see a zerg winning with this...ever?


Protoss can reinforce right in your base, there's no such thing as a defender's advantage in ZvP, so why do this?


of course there is a defenders advantage in ZvP, but gold bases have a lot less of those advantages because they should be harder to hold. Lack of ramps, more open space, etc


What is that defender's advantage exactly? Protoss almost has a smaller reinforcement distance than zerg, so I find that hard to believe.

On March 30 2015 02:23 sudete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:22 KeksX wrote:
I have never seen this gold base play work for zergs, anyone see a zerg winning with this...ever?


Protoss can reinforce right in your base, there's no such thing as a defender's advantage in ZvP, so why do this?


You might want to check out CatZ's stream



I'm inclined to say that CatZ faces much worse opponents on the ladder than those guys. I'm talking tournament games.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 29 2015 17:25 GMT
#782
On March 30 2015 02:24 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:23 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Hydra probably had it at some point but the use of the map layout was quite impressive, though I don't think it should have worked so well.

tbh taking gold vs Protoss is pretty imba

Yeah MaNa spent the whole stream complaining about it yesterday ^^
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
March 29 2015 17:25 GMT
#783
uh oh, bad spawns for hydra
Trans Rights
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
March 29 2015 17:25 GMT
#784
On March 30 2015 02:25 Psychonian wrote:
uh oh, bad spawns for hydra

sigh
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
March 29 2015 17:25 GMT
#785
Those weren't even blink stalkers. Hydra gotta step it up. I don't want a stomp lol
rip passion
Nesto
Profile Joined November 2009
Switzerland1318 Posts
March 29 2015 17:26 GMT
#786
I hate Parting vs Zerg matches...

something something sentry push something... gg...
it's fucking boring
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 29 2015 17:26 GMT
#787
On March 30 2015 02:25 Deathstar wrote:
Those weren't even blink stalkers. Hydra gotta step it up. I don't want a stomp lol

This is where we're heading though... As expected, sadly.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
March 29 2015 17:26 GMT
#788
On March 30 2015 02:23 Boucot wrote:
PartinG won't let Hydra reach the swarm hosts stage I feel.

not like he should, he's shown time and again how to lose with them when ahead
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
March 29 2015 17:26 GMT
#789
On March 30 2015 02:24 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:23 Heartland wrote:
On March 30 2015 02:22 KeksX wrote:
I have never seen this gold base play work for zergs, anyone see a zerg winning with this...ever?


Protoss can reinforce right in your base, there's no such thing as a defender's advantage in ZvP, so why do this?


of course there is a defenders advantage in ZvP, but gold bases have a lot less of those advantages because they should be harder to hold. Lack of ramps, more open space, etc


What is that defender's advantage exactly? Protoss almost has a smaller reinforcement distance than zerg, so I find that hard to believe.

Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:23 sudete wrote:
On March 30 2015 02:22 KeksX wrote:
I have never seen this gold base play work for zergs, anyone see a zerg winning with this...ever?


Protoss can reinforce right in your base, there's no such thing as a defender's advantage in ZvP, so why do this?


You might want to check out CatZ's stream



I'm inclined to say that CatZ faces much worse opponents on the ladder than those guys. I'm talking tournament games.


when I say defenders advantage I mean stuff like ramps, chokes/open areas. Distance is part of it, and sure, warp in does negate that to some degree but you still often have to run up a ramp, or pass through places where OL:s can spot your advance
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
March 29 2015 17:26 GMT
#790
On March 30 2015 02:26 Nesto wrote:
I hate Parting vs Zerg matches...

something something sentry push something... gg...
it's fucking boring

PartinG is extremely good, but he plays like a cunt and watching him play should make every Protoss feel guilty.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
March 29 2015 17:27 GMT
#791
On March 30 2015 02:25 Psychonian wrote:
uh oh, bad spawns for hydra

I think those spawns are better for Zerg, cause you can actually go SH on them, but on cross you can't really do anything
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 29 2015 17:27 GMT
#792
On March 30 2015 02:25 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:25 Psychonian wrote:
uh oh, bad spawns for hydra

sigh

Ret said yesterday that he didn't know what to do on cross. I'm inclined to say vertical is better since you have a better shot at breaking the 3rd.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
March 29 2015 17:27 GMT
#793
On March 30 2015 02:27 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:25 Psychonian wrote:
uh oh, bad spawns for hydra

I think those spawns are better for Zerg, cause you can actually go SH on them, but on cross you can't really do anything

yea but on cross you can expand much easier
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
March 29 2015 17:27 GMT
#794
what pool was this
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
March 29 2015 17:28 GMT
#795
On March 30 2015 02:26 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:24 KeksX wrote:
On March 30 2015 02:23 Heartland wrote:
On March 30 2015 02:22 KeksX wrote:
I have never seen this gold base play work for zergs, anyone see a zerg winning with this...ever?


Protoss can reinforce right in your base, there's no such thing as a defender's advantage in ZvP, so why do this?


of course there is a defenders advantage in ZvP, but gold bases have a lot less of those advantages because they should be harder to hold. Lack of ramps, more open space, etc


What is that defender's advantage exactly? Protoss almost has a smaller reinforcement distance than zerg, so I find that hard to believe.

On March 30 2015 02:23 sudete wrote:
On March 30 2015 02:22 KeksX wrote:
I have never seen this gold base play work for zergs, anyone see a zerg winning with this...ever?


Protoss can reinforce right in your base, there's no such thing as a defender's advantage in ZvP, so why do this?


You might want to check out CatZ's stream



I'm inclined to say that CatZ faces much worse opponents on the ladder than those guys. I'm talking tournament games.


when I say defenders advantage I mean stuff like ramps, chokes/open areas. Distance is part of it, and sure, warp in does negate that to some degree but you still often have to run up a ramp, or pass through places where OL:s can spot your advance


Since when do ramps and chokes help Zerg in ZvP? Open areas maybe, but Protoss has a way to negate that as well.


In ZvP there's just no defender's advantage that you can rely on. So a strategy that relies on you having it is stupid against Protoss imho. With that gold base you're putting yourself out there soo much, that any capable Protoss should be able to abuse it.
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
March 29 2015 17:28 GMT
#796
On March 30 2015 02:27 Psychonian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:27 Alchemik wrote:
On March 30 2015 02:25 Psychonian wrote:
uh oh, bad spawns for hydra

I think those spawns are better for Zerg, cause you can actually go SH on them, but on cross you can't really do anything

yea but on cross you can expand much easier

well yeah, but that means you're going macro, and on cross the only macro would probably be mutas
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 17:29:43
March 29 2015 17:29 GMT
#797
On March 30 2015 02:27 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2015 02:25 Penev wrote:
On March 30 2015 02:25 Psychonian wrote:
uh oh, bad spawns for hydra

sigh

Ret said yesterday that he didn't know what to do on cross. I'm inclined to say vertical is better since you have a better shot at breaking the 3rd.

Don't mind me, I'm just suffocating in salt caused by browders and ff's..

Edit: getting some air now though
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
March 29 2015 17:29 GMT
#798
oh thank god it's not 4-0
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
March 29 2015 17:29 GMT
#799
14/14, the one true build!
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
March 29 2015 17:29 GMT
#800
Poll: Recommend Grand Finals Game 3?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
14%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
 
43%

★★★- Good game (1)
 
14%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
 
14%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
 
14%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Grand Finals Game 3?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

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