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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 20 2015 18:55 GMT
#481
On February 21 2015 03:53 Shellshock wrote:
there are no skill matchups. this whole game is a coinflip it's so random

there you go:
www.liquidhearth.com
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
February 20 2015 18:55 GMT
#482
BOOM, tlo always said zvz was the least coinflip mirror match?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 20 2015 18:55 GMT
#483
On February 21 2015 03:55 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:53 Shellshock wrote:
there are no skill matchups. this whole game is a coinflip it's so random

there you go:
www.liquidhearth.com

what do you mean Hearthstone is not a real esport?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
February 20 2015 18:55 GMT
#484
On February 21 2015 03:54 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

there are 2-3instances of it being held of a hatch first. Mainly because the aggressor fucked up and the defender microed godlike. But that's true for every BO-win-interaction.

I've seen lots of pro players hold 10p bane with hatch first consistently. It's just on maps like that with pocket bases that 10p bane is a LOT stronger.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
February 20 2015 18:55 GMT
#485
On February 21 2015 03:53 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:53 Alchemik wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?


MONEY MATCH HYPE

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Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
February 20 2015 18:55 GMT
#486
On February 21 2015 03:54 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

there are 2-3instances of it being held of a hatch first. Mainly because the aggressor fucked up and the defender microed godlike. But that's true for every BO-win-interaction.

for 10 pool bane, there's no real difference whether it's pool first or hatch first

TargA lost cause he went 15 16g 16 (or something ridiculous like that)
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 20 2015 18:55 GMT
#487
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

I am not arguing that there actually can't be BO wins, but the notion that there isn't skill involved is nonsense.
You don't have to play as greedy as possible, sure, it might be better if it works out in the end, but there is always a safer build which doesn't lose you automatically the game.
You also can hold 10 pool bane with hatch first, it was shown before.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
February 20 2015 18:56 GMT
#488
On February 21 2015 03:55 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:53 Shellshock wrote:
there are no skill matchups. this whole game is a coinflip it's so random

there you go:
www.liquidhearth.com

what do you mean Hearthstone is not a real esport?


They just had a recent scandal where some girl catfished her way into a pro-team. Pretty funny really.
Zest, Rain, Life, Stats, Flash, PartinG, herO
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
February 20 2015 18:56 GMT
#489
On February 21 2015 03:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

I am not arguing that there actually can't be BO wins, but the notion that there isn't skill involved is nonsense.
You don't have to play as greedy as possible, sure, it might be better if it works out in the end, but there is always a safer build which doesn't lose you automatically the game.
You also can hold 10 pool bane with hatch first, it was shown before.

This is an LR thread. We're not supposed to take things seriously here.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#490
On February 21 2015 03:54 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

there are 2-3instances of it being held of a hatch first. Mainly because the aggressor fucked up and the defender microed godlike. But that's true for every BO-win-interaction.


Leenock holds 10pool bane 10/10 times with his 15 hatch build.
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HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
February 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#491
On February 21 2015 03:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

at least he didn't run his banes into his hatch against hatch first like Roro a bad foreigner

I like how we are slowly going back to calling koreans foreign :D:D
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#492
On February 21 2015 03:55 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:54 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

there are 2-3instances of it being held of a hatch first. Mainly because the aggressor fucked up and the defender microed godlike. But that's true for every BO-win-interaction.

for 10 pool bane, there's no real difference whether it's pool first or hatch first

TargA lost cause he went 15 16g 16 (or something ridiculous like that)

is there really? 15pool can get faster queen/spines or I guess even cancel the nat later
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#493
On February 21 2015 03:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

I am not arguing that there actually can't be BO wins, but the notion that there isn't skill involved is nonsense.
You don't have to play as greedy as possible, sure, it might be better if it works out in the end, but there is always a safer build which doesn't lose you automatically the game.
You also can hold 10 pool bane with hatch first, it was shown before.

Yeah seems I missed Targa getting gas and a drone before he even makes the pool. Of course he didn't have to do that, he was way too greedy.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
February 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#494
On February 21 2015 03:56 dazed25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:55 Ej_ wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:53 Shellshock wrote:
there are no skill matchups. this whole game is a coinflip it's so random

there you go:
www.liquidhearth.com

what do you mean Hearthstone is not a real esport?


They just had a recent scandal where some girl catfished her way into a pro-team. Pretty funny really.

what does that mean, catfished? persuaded them with free catfish?
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
February 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#495
On February 21 2015 03:55 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:54 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

there are 2-3instances of it being held of a hatch first. Mainly because the aggressor fucked up and the defender microed godlike. But that's true for every BO-win-interaction.

I've seen lots of pro players hold 10p bane with hatch first consistently. It's just on maps like that with pocket bases that 10p bane is a LOT stronger.

I think vaani is one of the best maps to hold it on due to maplength and because if you scrap up some semi-defense, you still get to hold your natural, while if you take damage on other maps, the speedling follow up kills the nat and then you are just further behind.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
February 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#496
On February 21 2015 03:56 dazed25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:55 Ej_ wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:53 Shellshock wrote:
there are no skill matchups. this whole game is a coinflip it's so random

there you go:
www.liquidhearth.com

what do you mean Hearthstone is not a real esport?


They just had a recent scandal where some girl catfished her way into a pro-team. Pretty funny really.

We had that in 2013. IESF, SC2 Women's championships, national qualifier result was overturned because the woman wasn't the actual one playing.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 20 2015 18:58 GMT
#497
On February 21 2015 03:57 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:54 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

there are 2-3instances of it being held of a hatch first. Mainly because the aggressor fucked up and the defender microed godlike. But that's true for every BO-win-interaction.


Leenock holds 10pool bane 10/10 times with his 15 hatch build.

I think Targa was actually doing that build

but yeah in-base nat is a bitch
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 20 2015 18:58 GMT
#498
On February 21 2015 03:57 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:56 dazed25 wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:55 Ej_ wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:53 Shellshock wrote:
there are no skill matchups. this whole game is a coinflip it's so random

there you go:
www.liquidhearth.com

what do you mean Hearthstone is not a real esport?


They just had a recent scandal where some girl catfished her way into a pro-team. Pretty funny really.

what does that mean, catfished? persuaded them with free catfish?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=catfish
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
February 20 2015 18:58 GMT
#499
On February 21 2015 03:58 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:57 stuchiu wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:54 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

there are 2-3instances of it being held of a hatch first. Mainly because the aggressor fucked up and the defender microed godlike. But that's true for every BO-win-interaction.


Leenock holds 10pool bane 10/10 times with his 15 hatch build.

I think Targa was actually doing that build

but yeah in-base nat is a bitch

Don't really get it, why does in-base nat help the attacker ?
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
February 20 2015 18:59 GMT
#500
On February 21 2015 03:57 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2015 03:55 Alchemik wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:54 Big J wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:52 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:51 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 21 2015 03:50 Big J wrote:
I just became a fan of Kane. "there was no skill in this win"
yup, ZvZ after 5years, still complete garbage

which is completely wrong though, even if he feels that way

Seemed as close as a BO win as it gets though. What do you mean ?

there are 2-3instances of it being held of a hatch first. Mainly because the aggressor fucked up and the defender microed godlike. But that's true for every BO-win-interaction.

for 10 pool bane, there's no real difference whether it's pool first or hatch first

TargA lost cause he went 15 16g 16 (or something ridiculous like that)

is there really? 15pool can get faster queen/spines or I guess even cancel the nat later

well, okay, let me rephrase that - it's easier to hold with pool first, of course, but it's not like hatch first is in any way weak against 10 pool bane, it's just that pool first is strong against that
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