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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 17 2014 14:21 GMT
#1001
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus



Who?
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 17 2014 14:21 GMT
#1002
On December 17 2014 23:17 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:17 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:14 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus

watch out for Gumigod

No chances of entering the Terran top5 before months. Plus his strong TvZ won't be of much use in the first season

Would you say MKP is top 5? I think you would

Not even top10 as far as I'm concerned, but since he's qualified in both leagues he has the opportunity to make a triumphant ascent!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
December 17 2014 14:22 GMT
#1003
On December 17 2014 23:21 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:17 Lorning wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:17 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:14 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
[quote]
He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus

watch out for Gumigod

No chances of entering the Terran top5 before months. Plus his strong TvZ won't be of much use in the first season

Would you say MKP is top 5? I think you would

Not even top10 as far as I'm concerned, but since he's qualified in both leagues he has the opportunity to make a triumphant ascent!

Not even after his hot6 cup run?
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-17 14:23:36
December 17 2014 14:23 GMT
#1004
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead


Yes. Tajea got to GSL semifinals. That counts too. Oh and let's not forget that winning a tournament isn't the only way to be considered "good": soO.

This is starting (well, for a few pages now) to be so fucking ridiculous.
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
December 17 2014 14:23 GMT
#1005
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead

You must hate on a lot of players if your only standard is "He never won a GSL." He made it to the ro8 and semis multiple times, which is more than 90% of Koreans. Then he won a boatload of events around the world which is more than any player of any nationality can say. He's a top 3 terran and top 5 player of all time. Losing this bo5 doesn't change that
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 17 2014 14:23 GMT
#1006
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead

If you conclude that everyone who hasn't won a GSL or WCS season is le sux at preparation than you have to assume that most players suck at preparation, including Terminator.

Also Polt is known to be a guy who rarely varies his builds and people have said is "easy to prepare for" but he won WCS America twice!

Mostly because he's a genius
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 17 2014 14:23 GMT
#1007
On December 17 2014 23:21 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus



Who?

Don't worry, the day Life renames to ZEALOUSLYSUCKS I'll keep using his old ID and you'll bless me for it. Also LosirA recently saw the light so I have still hope Bogus repents
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-17 14:28:54
December 17 2014 14:24 GMT
#1008
On December 17 2014 23:23 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead


Yes. Tajea got to GSL semifinals. That counts too. Oh and let's not forget that winning a tournament isn't the only way to be considered "good": soO.

Again, i consider Taeja good, i just don't(ty yorkie ) consider him "the best in the world" like a lot of people constantly do "cause he won over 9000 premier tournaments".
That's pretty much the whole point for me. I still think Taeja is a top 5 terran easily
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 17 2014 14:24 GMT
#1009
On December 17 2014 23:21 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:17 Lorning wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:17 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:14 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
[quote]
He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus

watch out for Gumigod

No chances of entering the Terran top5 before months. Plus his strong TvZ won't be of much use in the first season

Would you say MKP is top 5? I think you would

Not even top10 as far as I'm concerned, but since he's qualified in both leagues he has the opportunity to make a triumphant ascent!

I'd like to see your top 10!
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
December 17 2014 14:25 GMT
#1010
On December 17 2014 23:22 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:21 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:17 Lorning wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:17 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:14 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
[quote]

There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus

watch out for Gumigod

No chances of entering the Terran top5 before months. Plus his strong TvZ won't be of much use in the first season

Would you say MKP is top 5? I think you would

Not even top10 as far as I'm concerned, but since he's qualified in both leagues he has the opportunity to make a triumphant ascent!

Not even after his hot6 cup run?

Reference my earlier post. MKP didn't play in hot6 cup. MVPMK did
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
December 17 2014 14:25 GMT
#1011
On December 17 2014 23:23 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:21 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus



Who?

Don't worry, the day Life renames to ZEALOUSLYSUCKS I'll keep using his old ID and you'll bless me for it. Also LosirA recently saw the light so I have still hope Bogus repents

do you call Swagger Killer though?
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 17 2014 14:26 GMT
#1012
On December 17 2014 23:23 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:21 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus



Who?

Don't worry, the day Life renames to ZEALOUSLYSUCKS I'll keep using his old ID and you'll bless me for it. Also LosirA recently saw the light so I have still hope Bogus repents


But my Lactose INntoLerance joke won't make sense anymore
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
December 17 2014 14:26 GMT
#1013
On December 17 2014 23:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:23 Ragnarork wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead


Yes. Tajea got to GSL semifinals. That counts too. Oh and let's not forget that winning a tournament isn't the only way to be considered "good": soO.

Again, i consider Taeja good, i just consider him "the best in the world" like a lot of people constantly do "cause he won over 9000 premier tournaments".
That's pretty much the whole point for me. I still think Taeja is a top 5 terran easily

You forgot a don't in there somewhere unless you were practicing arguing your opposition for a debate club assignment this entire time ^^
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 17 2014 14:26 GMT
#1014
On December 17 2014 23:25 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:23 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:21 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus



Who?

Don't worry, the day Life renames to ZEALOUSLYSUCKS I'll keep using his old ID and you'll bless me for it. Also LosirA recently saw the light so I have still hope Bogus repents

do you call Swagger Killer though?


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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 17 2014 14:26 GMT
#1015
Haha xD
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
December 17 2014 14:26 GMT
#1016
On December 17 2014 23:26 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:23 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:21 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:13 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:12 Darkhorse wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:10 TheDwf wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:06 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:05 Big J wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
Why?

He lost a single bo5 in Korea and everyone goes nuts. He qualified for SSL and GSL when soO and Zest couldn't lol. There is absolutely no way to generalize this result to his future performance in Korea. And to everyone saying he sucked in Korea before has selective memory and forget his deep GSL runs


There's a line though between Taeja bashing or claiming he isn't a very good player and "welcome back to Korea" which just states that the competition there is much tougher than what Taeja has been playing/winning.

Notice how Taeja never won WCS America. He always has the potential for deep runs in even the most stacked of tournaments. He had a bad series, but he's still a top 5 terran imo

Top2 without much question

Yeah but you probably put Flash as the other one

Nope, it's Bogus



Who?

Don't worry, the day Life renames to ZEALOUSLYSUCKS I'll keep using his old ID and you'll bless me for it. Also LosirA recently saw the light so I have still hope Bogus repents


But my Lactose INntoLerance joke won't make sense anymore


soon 18k man!
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 17 2014 14:27 GMT
#1017
On December 17 2014 23:23 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead

You must hate on a lot of players if your only standard is "He never won a GSL." He made it to the ro8 and semis multiple times, which is more than 90% of Koreans. Then he won a boatload of events around the world which is more than any player of any nationality can say. He's a top 3 terran and top 5 player of all time. Losing this bo5 doesn't change that

No, cause most of these players aren't considered the savior of race X.
Taeja kinda is though, which makes me not liking him for a very weird reason (that part might be irrational, i would agree )
I don't think anything i said is wrong though
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 17 2014 14:27 GMT
#1018
On December 17 2014 23:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:23 Ragnarork wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead


Yes. Tajea got to GSL semifinals. That counts too. Oh and let's not forget that winning a tournament isn't the only way to be considered "good": soO.

Again, i consider Taeja good, i just consider him "the best in the world" like a lot of people constantly do "cause he won over 9000 premier tournaments".
That's pretty much the whole point for me. I still think Taeja is a top 5 terran easily


And yet you're dismissing the fact that it's not about KR league vs Foreign league if he lost today.

It's not.
LiquipediaWanderer
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 17 2014 14:28 GMT
#1019
On December 17 2014 23:26 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:23 Ragnarork wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
[quote]
Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead


Yes. Tajea got to GSL semifinals. That counts too. Oh and let's not forget that winning a tournament isn't the only way to be considered "good": soO.

Again, i consider Taeja good, i just consider him "the best in the world" like a lot of people constantly do "cause he won over 9000 premier tournaments".
That's pretty much the whole point for me. I still think Taeja is a top 5 terran easily

You forgot a don't in there somewhere unless you were practicing arguing your opposition for a debate club assignment this entire time ^^

Haha yeah
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
December 17 2014 14:29 GMT
#1020
On December 17 2014 23:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2014 23:23 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:15 Blargh wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that


"He didn't play his best" is completely relevant because it has nothing to do with preparation.

No, "he didn't play his best" is a cop out. It simply doesn't matter if you think he only lost "cause he didn't play at 100%", truth is he lost.

On December 17 2014 23:03 Yorkie wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 23:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 22:58 Yorkie wrote:
Come on guys. You know in your heart that that series is a dumb basis for your "welcome to back to Korea" and "lulz Taeja can only do well at foreign tournaments" shitposts

Why?


Because it was one single series and he didn't play his best.

Yeah sure it is only one series, but "he didn't play his best" is irrelevant.
He didn't win in a tournament with preparation, as usual.
Simple as that

And your hero turned down JAGW's offer for more money and so he didn't have to play in Korea so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion

This has nothing to do with Jaedong at all, pls stay on topic, yes?


How can you say that "he didn't play his best is irrelevant"??? It's completely relevant. It's entirely correct, too. Taeja played rather poorly, but that does not mean he is incapable of beating players in a Korean tournament. You have so little actual data to back up the argument "as usual" too. There's a reason why Team Liquid picked Taeja up. It wasn't because he was dominating the foreign scene.

But this discussion over upsets and players not playing well and whatever is horrible. There's so little substance to each argument that it just becomes a waste of time.


How is there a lack of data to back up my claim? tajea never won a gsl or wcs season.
I think we can agree on that.
And no, to excuse the results with a phrase like "he didn't play at 100%) is a non argument.
You could always use it when your favorite players loses and nobody could even argue against it.
Let the results tell the story instead

You must hate on a lot of players if your only standard is "He never won a GSL." He made it to the ro8 and semis multiple times, which is more than 90% of Koreans. Then he won a boatload of events around the world which is more than any player of any nationality can say. He's a top 3 terran and top 5 player of all time. Losing this bo5 doesn't change that

No, cause most of these players aren't considered the savior of race X.
Taeja kinda is though, which makes me not liking him for a very weird reason (that part might be irrational, i would agree )
I don't think anything i said is wrong though

Well Bomber is the savior of terran and he's never won a GSL which is the only reason I'm arguing this point tbh
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